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post #421 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

There is no trade-up option for these discs. If only studios do that, just from my StarWars trilogy alone I could've got more than $1,000 back (in savings, I mean)... and that's only one title amongst at least 20 which I've been upgrading. smile.gif

I'm not talking cross-technology upgrades, I'm talking about Blu-ray only. Gladiator, The Fifth Element, TNG Season 1... there have been exchange programs in the past for erroneous AND sub-standard releases. It's not totally unreasonable to expect it for these.
post #422 of 825
For Total Recall I agree. But for catalog releases we got what we paid for. The new remasters are priced differently.
post #423 of 825
^^^ what he said.
post #424 of 825
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Not you, posted by "Drew":

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/bluray-highlights-may-12-2013/#comment-35196
I wonder if his new set was just calibrated to Rec.709 standard, in which case the gamut would look the same as his other sets, at least until some frames with the extended data came along. If the extra bits are actually working, I would not expect them to look like anything we are accustomed to as they would be outside the Rec.709 color space.

I am not sure if we can really tell the subtle difference even if everything was done perfectly.
Of course, there IS a difference, but I really wonder if we can tell without being told when watching a motion picture.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/avchd-format-discussion/488912-shooting-xvycc.html
post #425 of 825
Can a PS3 show the "Mastered in 4K movies" in 4K resolution or do I need to purchase the Sony BDPS790?

Is there any other models that show the resolution properly?
post #426 of 825
Go directly to page 1. Do not pass GO; do not collect $200 smile.gif

PS - The answer is no, because there is no "4K" resolution to be displayed, only 1080p. 4K discs haven't been invented yet.
Edited by AVfile - 5/25/13 at 11:15am
post #427 of 825
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Not you, posted by "Drew":

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/bluray-highlights-may-12-2013/#comment-35196
I wonder if his new set was just calibrated to Rec.709 standard, in which case the gamut would look the same as his other sets, at least until some frames with the extended data came along. If the extra bits are actually working, I would not expect them to look like anything we are accustomed to as they would be outside the Rec.709 color space.

I was just watching the Shootout which was posted on Youtube 2 days ago and the Panasonic is mentioning that their new plasma can achieve 122% of Rec. 709. Doesn't that mean calibrating to Rec.709 correctly will give you 22% wider color gamut when compared to Rec.709? Rec.709 range is obviously contained 100% inside xvYCC. When xvYCC is used correctly, the disc/player is supposed to pass the metadata about the min/max range info for TV to display a wider gamut correctly, as it was designed to be backwards compatible. It's a dumb idea to ask users to change their TV settings/calibration when watching between an xvYCC disc and a Rec.709 disc. Anyone, please correct me if I am wrong about anything as I am also learning.
Edited by hazel_wu - 5/25/13 at 11:40am
post #428 of 825
Both 4K 65" Sony UHDTV and projector on my tests I posted on HighDefDigest were calibrated to REC709, the same goes with the Sony non-4K UHDTV.

The only visible positive difference is when xvycc turned on on both the 4KTV and BDP-S5100.

Using BDP-S5100 with xvycc on with Sony EX720 TV with xvycc on results in washed out colours.

Not to compete, but I know I've done a lot more tests than anybody. Even about metadata and the colour-difference implementation were all came through me before anybody even reported it. smile.gif
post #429 of 825
Hey has anyone picked up "Karate Kid" mastered in 4k?

There was a report by one user that in Chapter 6 when they challenge the karate teacher in his dojo that the English subtitles are not there for the spoken in Chinese parts.

I'd really like to pick this one up but not if the English subtitles are not where they are supposed to be.

It would be great if we could have more verification to make sure that person didn't get a bad disc.
post #430 of 825
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Originally Posted by marine92104 View Post

Hey has anyone picked up "Karate Kid" mastered in 4k?

There was a report by one user that in Chapter 6 when they challenge the karate teacher in his dojo that the English subtitles are not there for the spoken in Chinese parts.

I'd really like to pick this one up but not if the English subtitles are not where they are supposed to be.

It would be great if we could have more verification to make sure that person didn't get a bad disc.
You must really want this movie wink.gif I already ask a few pages back, it seems no one else likes this movie lol. I'm pretty positive I didn't get a bad disc and Sony just screwed up the english subtitles translation coding for the Mandarin dialouge portion.....which is suppose to come on automatically without needing to turn on english subtitles. For now I just turn on the english subtitles for the entire movie and I'm stillwaiting for Sony to reply back as this has been reported to them. Just today I also had the movie tested on my PS3 and has the same problem. Previously tested on Sony S1000ES and Oppo 103 both running current firmware.
post #431 of 825
Yeah it's one I haven't picked up yet so I was wanting to pick up the 4k mastered version.

Let me know what Sony says when they get back to you.

I was hoping it was a bad disc. I haven't heard anyone else mention the problem.

Maybe no one else bought it. Personally I really like the movie.
post #432 of 825
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Originally Posted by airborn007 View Post

You must really want this movie wink.gif I already ask a few pages back, it seems no one else likes this movie lol. I'm pretty positive I didn't get a bad disc and Sony just screwed up the english subtitles translation coding for the Mandarin dialouge portion.....which is suppose to come on automatically without needing to turn on english subtitles. For now I just turn on the english subtitles for the entire movie and I'm stillwaiting for Sony to reply back as this has been reported to them. Just today I also had the movie tested on my PS3 and has the same problem. Previously tested on Sony S1000ES and Oppo 103 both running current firmware.

The type of subtitle is called forced subtitle or narrative. They are usually numbered after all the full subtitles. When you compare the number of subtitles in menu and the actual number of subtitles when you watch the movie via toggling, and the numbers are the same, the authoring was messed up. If the disc is authored correctly, you should see an English subtitle numbered AFTER all the full subs. Try it.
I don't have the disc so I'm just providing some info.
post #433 of 825
My hatred towards this movie is not the movie itself but the change of its title from Kung Fu Kid to The New Karate Kid to Karate Kid where in the movie there is nothing Karate about it, only Kung Fu.
post #434 of 825
Plus they cut out the only Jackie Chan fight scene in the movie, denying fans of his from seeing him doing anything exciting. It was included in the extras of the regular BD, but I assume it's not on the new 4K master one.
post #435 of 825
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Originally Posted by marine92104 View Post

Hey has anyone picked up "Karate Kid" mastered in 4k?

There was a report by one user that in Chapter 6 when they challenge the karate teacher in his dojo that the English subtitles are not there for the spoken in Chinese parts.

I'd really like to pick this one up but not if the English subtitles are not where they are supposed to be.

It would be great if we could have more verification to make sure that person didn't get a bad disc.
I have it and watched it on my 84" 4K LG. The English subs do come on automatically in Chap 6 with subs turned off. Also I recall Jackie Chan fighting all the young bad kids at the beginning.I was impressed with Karate Kid but not Glory.
post #436 of 825
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

I have it and watched it on my 84" 4K LG. The English subs do come on automatically in Chap 6 with subs turned off. Also I recall Jackie Chan fighting all the young bad kids at the beginning.I was impressed with Karate Kid but not Glory.
Where did you purchase your disc from? Mine was through Amazon. I was thinking about returning it but was afraid it would be no different since it will be from the same batch.
post #437 of 825
Sometime you have to set your BD player's default subtitle to English (instead of none) in order for the forced-subtitle to show up on screen.
post #438 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Sometime you have to set your BD player's default subtitle to English (instead of none) in order for the forced-subtitle to show up on screen.
Thanks for your feedback....I went to double check the settings and it is on English.....I then try auto and problem still exist. LIke I said it's been tested on 3 different players already and they all had the same results. I decided to do a return and try my luck with a new disc. If I just wait for Sonys response then It can take forever as I'm not patient with these things.
Edited by airborn007 - 5/28/13 at 3:42pm
post #439 of 825
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Sometime you have to set your BD player's default subtitle to English (instead of none) in order for the forced-subtitle to show up on screen.
Indeed. The Die Hard 5 disc, requires the fifth subtitle stream to be turned on, for Russian dialogue translations.
post #440 of 825
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

Indeed. The Die Hard 5 disc, requires the fifth subtitle stream to be turned on, for Russian dialogue translations.
All I can say is my original non 4K blu ray disc had no problems with subtitles coming on automatically while the new 4K had issues.....at least with my copy.
post #441 of 825
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Originally Posted by airborn007 View Post

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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Sometime you have to set your BD player's default subtitle to English (instead of none) in order for the forced-subtitle to show up on screen.
Thanks for your feedback....I went to double check the settings and it is on English.....I then try auto and problem still exist. LIke I said it's been tested on 3 different players already and they all had the same results. I decided to do a return and try my luck with a new disc. If I just wait for Sonys response then It can take forever as I'm not patient with these things.
Sony likely authored the disc incorrectly and forgot to include the translated subs for the dialogue. It has happened before on their Blu-rays, starting with the original issue of Air Force One. They did institute a replacement program for that BD.
post #442 of 825
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Sony likely authored the disc incorrectly and forgot to include the translated subs for the dialogue. It has happened before on their Blu-rays, starting with the original issue of Air Force One. They did institute a replacement program for that BD.

I remember this happening on a couple of Sony DVDs back in the day. As I recall, you had to go into the disc's menu (not the player's setup menu) and specifically choose "None" under subtitles. That would cause it to engage the track that had no subtitles for the majority of the movie, and automatic English subtitles whenever non-English dialogue occurred. If you didn't do this, the disc would default to never having any subtitles.

Not sure if that's the same case here, but it may be worth trying.
post #443 of 825
No luck with my 2nd copy form Amazon. It's likely from the same batch, with the same issue mad.gif
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post #445 of 825
In the few images caps-a-holic put up I could see no detail improvement at all and in some the older version has more detail like in the foliage. The only plus I can see in the new master is not blown out skies, seems a pick your poison choice.
post #446 of 825
No "poison" to pick here. The new transfer is essentially flawless (obviously, not counting the limitations of the original photography).
post #447 of 825
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

No "poison" to pick here. The new transfer is essentially flawless (obviously, not counting the limitations of the original photography).

I disagree. The new transfer is by all accounts an improvement over the original Blu-ray release, but the "4K" one features some crushed blacks that puts this release down a notch from "flawless."
post #448 of 825
This article just came out, talking quite a bit about the expanded color on Spiderman:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/05/29/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version?page=0,1

I would've rathered the reviewer compare the new disc to itself, turning on and off the expanded color in his hardware, and looking for a difference. Instead he compared the new blu-ray with expanded color on, to the old Spiderman blu-ray.
post #449 of 825
I thought the earlier Blu-ray release of Taxi Driver was a 4k transfer to Blu-ray.

If that's the case, then what's different about this new version of Taxi Driver?


And all this talk about expanded color. The Blu-ray format has only one color standard I'm aware of. So is this encoded in the disc and expanded with a newer type of Blu-ray player?


My display is a Pioneer Pro 151FD and is capable of displaying expanded color however only IF it's coming from the source.
post #450 of 825
The new Taxi Driver benefits from better grain reproduction due to the higher bitrate. The colors are slightly different as well.

I had picked out that same shot of the canister while I was watching the movie and trying to spot highly-saturated greens. I thought maybe the 2013 disc would show extra out-of-range colors when converted to regular RGB, but the opposite is the case. So I didn't bother posting it before since the result is so boring:
http://imgbox.com/g/ywUgO13XQC (black is in-range and the rest of the image shows how the out-of-range colors are clipped using this particular RGB conversion algorithm)
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