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post #571 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I strongly disagree with regards to the Total Recall. The colour balance and detail on paused frame may be the same but motion resolution improved quite dramatically.

Your 'motion' claim sounds a lot like the take it on faith mastered in 4K TV algorithm flim flam. BDs are made of sequential images not magic pixie dust.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo 
Besides, one can't determine quality based on screen caps. It's akin to comparing sound quality based on specifications paper.

Besides being a poor allegory this is coming from someone who claimed encoding and bitrate specification is more important then the mastering which is the equivalent of a blind man judging pq from reading specs printed in braille.

A decent master of typical bitrate will always look better then a high bitrate poor master and a meticulous done master of typical bitrate will always look better then a high bitrate decent master and you cannot claim sony bitrate starved it's old BDs or had bad encoding.

The encoding and bitrate is the deciding factor theory has been disproven already, the high bitrate New Line done LOTR BD looked a lot worse then a low bitrate HDTV version and the high bitrate Predator UHE had a lot worse pq then the previous low bitrate BD. The reason new Glory, MIB & The Other Guys BDs appear better is because of a superior master not because of magic encoding and bitrate. Oh btw I wrote 'showing' not the whole BD pq as you incorrectly assumed.
post #572 of 824
Yes I can claim that Sony's original Total Recall 2012 is bit starved. The average bitrate is 16 mpbs whereas the Mi4K edition is at 24 mbps.

Also the compression on BD is not "made of sequential image" (frame by frame), it's GoP of 8 frames. Pausing a frame and looking at the frame IS pointless. Kindly get your facts right. It is FACT according to BDA and also supported by my various contacts at Technicolor, Fox, Disney and Sony Pictures that higher bitrate WILL create better fast-motion scenes. Definitely not the condescending "pixie dust" as you alluded. rolleyes.gif
post #573 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yes I can claim that Sony's original Total Recall 2012 is bit starved. The average bitrate is 16 mpbs whereas the Mi4K edition is at 24 mbps.

Also the compression on BD is not "made of sequential image" (frame by frame), it's GoP of 8 frames. Pausing a frame and looking at the frame IS pointless. Kindly get your facts right. It is FACT according to BDA and also supported by my various contacts at Technicolor, Fox, Disney and Sony Pictures that higher bitrate WILL create better fast-motion scenes. Definitely not the condescending "pixie dust" as you alluded. rolleyes.gif
This quote, posted in this thread a few months ago, says all that needs to be said:
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

You didn't expect wuther to have any idea what he's talking about, did you?
post #574 of 824
Aha! Thanks for the heads up!
post #575 of 824
I can confirm that MIB is indeed much improved over the original release. There is more detail and the image overall is 'tighter'. There doesn't seem to be much change or improvement in the color. Definitely worth the upgrade though if your a fan of the film.
Edited by RWetmore - 7/21/13 at 10:57am
post #576 of 824
Thank you! I'm still waiting for my disc to come.
post #577 of 824
I'll probably pick up the MiB disk soon.


ATTENTION Sony: another PERFECT release for the 4K series is Underworld.smile.gif
post #578 of 824
Wow, people still trying to argue that bitrate doesn't matter? Seriously, you people need to go away. I have plenty of collections and such like the oliver stone one I got for 9 bucks that have some great films at lower bitrates around 20. I can handle it but it definitely isn't something I would pay anything over 5 bucks a film for.

There should be no question in anyone's mind that a 35-38Mbps transfer of the same film/master vs something like 23, which is old MiB and looks quite a bit better and WAY better when blown up to 70 inches or more. Motion and grain detail are drastically improved. A whole tier of extra detail, small as it may be to some, is revealed.

On another note these releases are too expensive and we definitely need more of them.
Edited by khronikos - 7/22/13 at 1:33am
post #579 of 824
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

Your 'motion' claim sounds a lot like the take it on faith mastered in 4K TV algorithm flim flam. BDs are made of sequential images not magic pixie dust.
Besides being a poor allegory this is coming from someone who claimed encoding and bitrate specification is more important then the mastering which is the equivalent of a blind man judging pq from reading specs printed in braille.

A decent master of typical bitrate will always look better then a high bitrate poor master and a meticulous done master of typical bitrate will always look better then a high bitrate decent master and you cannot claim sony bitrate starved it's old BDs or had bad encoding.

The encoding and bitrate is the deciding factor theory has been disproven already, the high bitrate New Line done LOTR BD looked a lot worse then a low bitrate HDTV version and the high bitrate Predator UHE had a lot worse pq then the previous low bitrate BD. The reason new Glory, MIB & The Other Guys BDs appear better is because of a superior master not because of magic encoding and bitrate. Oh btw I wrote 'showing' not the whole BD pq as you incorrectly assumed.

Honestly, all things being equal the master is generally okay for the vast majority of films and is no big deal where as low bitrate has hit hundreds and hundreds of releases with the ugly stick. A 16Mbps great master like Blade Runner still sucks bud.
post #580 of 824
The final result is a combination of master quality and the bit rate used. There's no question that high bit rate alone does not itself mean high quality. A crappy master with a high bit rate will still be crappy. The best combination is a great master and a high bit rate, which is what these 4K releases are (or at least strive to be).
Edited by RWetmore - 7/24/13 at 10:46am
post #581 of 824
Then why isn't Sony doing this for ALL their new releases (4k masters and high bitrates)? Why only these few titles... some I can see why they released them in this new superbit series, others...???
post #582 of 824
What he said!!
post #583 of 824
STAR WARS Trilogy 3D/4K nuff said. smile.gif
post #584 of 824
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

STAR WARS Trilogy 3D/4K nuff said. smile.gif

ORIGINAL unaltered Star Wars 3D/4K. Anything else is just junk.
post #585 of 824
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Originally Posted by LaoChe View Post

ORIGINAL unaltered Star Wars 3D

That's a bit of an oxymoron.
post #586 of 824
Yup, I've had enough money given to George Lucas. The only way I'll give more money is if the original trilogy are released without Greedo shooting first and the really comical end sequence in Return of the Jedi.

Note: I have bought the original trilogy on Beta, LaserDisc, Letterbox LaserDisc, Remastered Letterbox LaserDisc, THX "heads" LaserDisc (still own this set), DVD of the 6 episodes, and the Blu-ray of the saga (still own this set too). Far too much money spent on this movie (and T2, BTTF and Die Hard Trilogy)
post #587 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yup, I've had enough money given to George Lucas. The only way I'll give more money is if the original trilogy are released without Greedo shooting first and the really comical end sequence in Return of the Jedi.

Note: I have bought the original trilogy on Beta, LaserDisc, Letterbox LaserDisc, Remastered Letterbox LaserDisc, THX "heads" LaserDisc (still own this set), DVD of the 6 episodes, and the Blu-ray of the saga (still own this set too). Far too much money spent on this movie (and T2, BTTF and Die Hard Trilogy)

Greedo never shot... PERIOD. It was all Han. biggrin.gif

It goes something like:

G - Maybe he'll just take your ship.

H - Over my dead body.

G - That's the idea.

BLAM!!!!

[Greedo does a face plant]

I wonder if Lucas has some clause with Disney where they cannot release the original, unaltered trilogy. That would be a real shame since the Library of Congress' film preservation board listed those films as something that should be saved for future generations and wanted them archived.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 7/24/13 at 3:02pm
post #588 of 824
I got earlier these two 4K Mastered titles: Godzilla and Men In Black! The PQ ans SQ of both impressed me a lot! I may buy one more 4K title.
post #589 of 824
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Originally Posted by Zenyatto View Post

I got earlier these two 4K Mastered titles: Godzilla and Men In Black! The PQ ans SQ of both impressed me a lot! I may buy one more 4K title.

I forgot Godzilla was coming out. I need to stop by BestBuy and see if they have it.
post #590 of 824
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I forgot Godzilla was coming out. I need to stop by BestBuy and see if they have it.

I have not seen any 4k titles at any local Southern CA Best Buy stores. I have seen small displays and *all* the 4k titles at Fry's Electronics however, and they retail for $12.99. I wonder how well this line has been selling....
post #591 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Thank you! I'm still waiting for my disc to come.

Have you gotten Moneyball by chance? I would expect very minimal improvement on this one, but the regular disc does have what appears as edge enhancement.
post #592 of 824
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

I have not seen any 4k titles at any local Southern CA Best Buy stores. I have seen small displays and *all* the 4k titles at Fry's Electronics however, and they retail for $12.99. I wonder how well this line has been selling....
That's a great price! I'll check their web site!
Thanks
post #593 of 824
Bottom line it for me. Spiderman 2 is one of my fav superhero movies of all time. I haven't yet made the upgrade from DVD on that one. Is it worth it to buy this disk at say, $14.99 rather than say a lower price on the previous blu ray version?
post #594 of 824
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Bottom line it for me. Spiderman 2 is one of my fav superhero movies of all time. I haven't yet made the upgrade from DVD on that one. Is it worth it to buy this disk at say, $14.99 rather than say a lower price on the previous blu ray version?
Personally I'll say go for it. If you want quality you'll get it. Keep in mind with these Sony 4K Mastered BD DVD's you ONLY get ONE disc>IT. The movie without any extras and most of ALL you get the theatrical version like Total Recall. Those are my humble two cents.
post #595 of 824
Do we have a list of upcoming 4K releases yet?
post #596 of 824
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Originally Posted by Zenyatto View Post

Personally I'll say go for it. If you want quality you'll get it. Keep in mind with these Sony 4K Mastered BD DVD's you ONLY get ONE disc>IT. The movie without any extras and most of ALL you get the theatrical version like Total Recall. Those are my humble two cents.

So, you don't get the Spider-man 2.5 version at all like on the previous disc?
post #597 of 824
No, thankfully.
post #598 of 824
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post


Greedo never shot... PERIOD. It was all Han. biggrin.gif

It goes something like:

G - Maybe he'll just take your ship.

H - Over my dead body.

G - That's the idea.

BLAM!!!!

[Greedo does a face plant]

I wonder if Lucas has some clause with Disney where they cannot release the original, unaltered trilogy. That would be a real shame since the Library of Congress' film preservation board listed those films as something that should be saved for future generations and wanted them archived.

You are literally the only person I have seen on the Internet that has said what I've been saying since 1997. Greedo never shot at Han. The whole 'Han shoots first' thing is a falsehood. And GL wearing that shirt is even more to the point - he knows Han better than anyone.
post #599 of 824
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

No, thankfully.

And that's the best news ever. There are some seriously film-destroying scenes and changes in 2.1, and there is only one good addition (the scene with MJ and her friend talking about love).

I want to buy this in store, not really an online shopper. No Best Buy I hear (and can't seem to find it online there either). So we think that Fry's stores will have them?
post #600 of 824
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Originally Posted by SC0TLANDF0REVER View Post

You are literally the only person I have seen on the Internet that has said what I've been saying since 1997. Greedo never shot at Han. The whole 'Han shoots first' thing is a falsehood. And GL wearing that shirt is even more to the point - he knows Han better than anyone.

I saw the first Star Wars film as a kid in 1977 and have owned the original trilogy on every video format up until Laserdisc. Never bought the "Special Editions" because they ruined these awesome films (and the prequels... blech!!!!). Yeah, the VFX are dated since they were pioneering motion control photography and advanced opticals at the time, but that's part of their charm.

Lucas also cut out or shortened some of the laser blast hit closeups from A New Hope on the SE's because he thought they were too "graphic." rolleyes.gif

I would kill for new, frame-by-frame 4k restorations of the unaltered originals... even if they included new 7.1 surround mixes as long as the best original mixes were also included. Don't even mind if they digitally clean up the bad optical composites as long as the original special effects are left intact (they did this on Blade Runner's Final Cut).
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 7/27/13 at 8:00pm
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