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post #61 of 824
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Originally Posted by PlayNice View Post

I wonder how these will compare to Baraka and Samsara? Both is those were mastered in 8K for 1080p not 4K. If you do not have those disk I highly recommend them as reference material. Audio and video nirvana.
The fact that Baraka and Samsara were shot on 65mm has a lot more to do with their visual quality than the resolution of the master.
If you expect a 4K remaster of some 80s anamorphic-lensed film like Ghostbusters to blow your socks off with its resolution, sharpness and clarity, prepare to be disappointed.
post #62 of 824
As far as the mastering source, there should be no difference. The difference is only on the video bitrate and difference data for Triluminos.

The ones I have in my hands right now (unfortunately only in BD-R form) are the original Spiderman, Ghostbusters and Total Recall. All of them look visibly better when I upcaled them to 4K on the 1000ES. Don't have the chance to bring them to my house to watch them on my Pana 7000U
post #63 of 824
I will wait for the upcoming 4K BDs instead.
post #64 of 824
How do these make any sense if we're only going to be offered the full 4K in a few years?

Which by the way- I'm not thrilled with the notion of having to re-buy much of my collection once again- ugh.

At what point is enough enough?
Maybe I'll just stop @ 1080p...

yeah right.
post #65 of 824
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Originally Posted by wuther View Post

I will wait for the upcoming 4K BDs instead.
Yeah, that.wink.gif
post #66 of 824
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Originally Posted by bokes View Post

How do these make any sense if we're only going to be offered the full 4K in a few years?

Which by the way- I'm not thrilled with the notion of having to re-buy much of my collection once again- ugh.

At what point is enough enough?
Maybe I'll just stop @ 1080p...

yeah right.

Depends on your screen size and the scaler you use. With my screen size (small-ish 96" 21:9 viewed at THX optimum distance) I can readily tell the difference between 4K projection (VPL-1000ES) vs 2K projection (PT-AE7000U). However, I admittedly will be hard pressed to differentiate action movies be it natively in 4K vs upscaled 4K unless I press pause or the movie shows quite a vista such panoramic scenes in Bridge Over the River Kwai.

If the money permits, I think I will only be buying new releases in native 4K and for most cases, upscaled 4K through the scaler built into the VPL-1000ES is more than good enough for my eyes (depending on the persons' visual acuity, YMMV).

Now, having the money to buy VPL-1000ES is a different story. For the time being I'm content with the occasional periods of times when Sony loan me their 1000ES. 5 months (total) living with 1000ES in a period of 17 months is not bad for me considering it costs me $0 and the other 7 months of the 17 months I'm usually so busy I won't have time to watch anything in my HT biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif (yes, I'm a cheap bastard)
post #67 of 824
It amuses me me that people will wait for an imaginery 4k Blu-ray format.
post #68 of 824
Why? BDA is in the process of finalizing 4K BD format. Also if you use HVEC h.265 (which is 100% more efficient resulting in 50% less space) even regular BD-50 can fit most movies upwards to approx 125 mins or BDA can use BDXL so ANY movie can fit onto 1 disc with special features and trailers (or just the absolute best PQ)

Sony is only using server delivery as a stop-gap measure and many other Sony subsidiaries such in Canada, Australia, Singapore have expressed that they are NOT on board with internet delivery due to filesize and broadcast regulations. For example, you can't get the 4K content through their server because of CRTC broadcast regulation, the same with Indonesia, Singapore and Australia.

Physical disc, on the other hand, is NOT regulated by broadcast refulation so they can just sell the disc wherever they want to ship the disc.
post #69 of 824
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Originally Posted by Dex Robinson View Post

It amuses me me that people will wait for an imaginery 4k Blu-ray format.

Even more amusing are the clueless, guess next will be written 'nobody will buy $25,000 4K TVs' and the 'you cant tell the difference between upscaled dvd and 1080p' argument, some people never tire of being wrong all the time:

http://www.cnet.com.au/blu-ray-set-to-make-4k-decision-later-this-year-339344088.htm
post #70 of 824
Sony 4K HDTV, at 65" is only $7,000 MSRP, no difference than a 60" Elite Kuro, Vizio is only $1,500 MSRP. Plus I have calibrated a handful of VPL-1000ES projectors in Canada albeit the $25,000 price.biggrin.gif

It's sometimes fun (but more often frustrating) when people writes absolutely wrong statement AND being adamant about it biggrin.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #71 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Sony 4K HDTV, at 65" is only $7,000 MSRP, no difference than a 60" Elite Kuro, Vizio is only $1,500 MSRP. Plus I have calibrated a handful of VPL-1000ES projectors in Canada albeit the $25,000 price.biggrin.gif

The Vizio is not out until late in this year as far as I can tell but Canadians can get the Seiki (insert brand name joke here) 4K right now for $1500.
post #72 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Sony 4K HDTV, at 65" is only $7,000 MSRP, no difference than a 60" Elite Kuro, Vizio is only $1,500 MSRP. Plus I have calibrated a handful of VPL-1000ES projectors in Canada albeit the $25,000 price.biggrin.gif

It's sometimes fun (but more often frustrating) when people writes absolutely wrong statement AND being adamant about it biggrin.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif

Has Vizio set a price for their 4K TV lineup? Trying to figure out which 4K set to go with.

I just went to see the Sony sets today they look nice but for the price they are going for now and lack of 4K content they do not look that nice.

I remember when I purchased first HDTV back in 2003 the lack of content killed me.
Edited by PlayNice - 5/2/13 at 6:35am
post #73 of 824
Double post sorry
post #74 of 824
With the PS4 supposedly coming out this year, I assume 4K BDs will be coming out right along with it or will be coming soon after, and I'm sure they'll downscale to 1080p just fine until I get a 4K projector. So I should probably wait a little while longer before buying that Ghostbusters disc. But at only $15, it's damn tempting.
post #75 of 824
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Originally Posted by jd213 View Post

With the PS4 supposedly coming out this year, I assume 4K BDs will be coming out right along with it or will be coming soon after, and I'm sure they'll downscale to 1080p just fine until I get a 4K projector. So I should probably wait a little while longer before buying that Ghostbusters disc. But at only $15, it's damn tempting.

Actually, so far the rumors are that the new PS4 delivery system for content will be over the network. No physical media has been announced. Sony and Microsoft are due to be announcing final build products May/June.
post #76 of 824
No thanks! rolleyes.gif
post #77 of 824
I dont really understand how it being mastered in 4K is really going to give us much benefit when our displays, blurray players, receivers, etc. are still only capable of 1080p....wouldnt it upscale the same way as any other 1080p signal to the display?
post #78 of 824
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

I dont really understand how it being mastered in 4K is really going to give us much benefit when our displays, blurray players, receivers, etc. are still only capable of 1080p....wouldnt it upscale the same way as any other 1080p signal to the display?

 

The entirety of the benefits will exist at 1080p. In essence, Blu-ray from 4K Masters simply represent the best possible 1080p source — it gives the video processor in first-generation 4K TVs something to chew on. In still photography, doubling the resolution is considered within the limits of the technology, there is a benefit to it.
 
I would guess that the flagship ultra high definition televisions have decent video processing built-in. In these circumstances, reference level Blu-ray should up sample and there should be a visible benefit to the process. At the same time, a reference quality 1080p HDTV should also benefit from the quality.
 
I mentioned in a previous post that I watched Aliens from the new Alien Anthology Blu-ray collection. I know that movie by heart, basically every frame and I can definitely say that a 4K master and Blu-ray made a difference, even with that somewhat grainy old film.
 
It will be interesting to see what Sony's actual 4K movies look like compared to these Blu-rays. That is a comparison I am extremely interested in seeing.
post #79 of 824
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Originally Posted by VinnyS View Post

Actually, so far the rumors are that the new PS4 delivery system for content will be over the network. No physical media has been announced. Sony and Microsoft are due to be announcing final build products May/June.

That still leaves plenty of time for an announcement, assuming a December release. And even if discs don't come out immediately, they can always release them later down the line. 3D BDs weren't part of the initial PS3 specs, after all.

As for 4K over the internet, I seriously doubt it will be very widespread anytime soon without severe compression.
post #80 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

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Originally Posted by J.Mike Ferrara View Post

Screw Sony. That's all I have to say.

and this adds to the discussion how? tongue.gif
As long as Sony continues it propietary mindset ("Triluminos") and silly labeling thinking it will garner more sales, they will continue to circle the crapper.
post #81 of 824
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Originally Posted by Kimeran View Post

I dont really understand how it being mastered in 4K is really going to give us much benefit when our displays, blurray players, receivers, etc. are still only capable of 1080p....wouldnt it upscale the same way as any other 1080p signal to the display?

Refer back to my posts:

1. The main idea is about givingthe highest bitrate possible
2. I have compared regular Total Recall vs the high bitrate Total Recall upscaled by 1000ES, the difference due to much higher bitrate on the new release resulting in visily better 4K upscaling end result.
post #82 of 824
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

The entirety of the benefits will exist at 1080p. In essence, Blu-ray from 4K Masters simply represent the best possible 1080p source — it gives the video processor in first-generation 4K TVs something to chew on. In still photography, doubling the resolution is considered within the limits of the technology, there is a benefit to it.
 
I would guess that the flagship ultra high definition televisions have decent video processing built-in. In these circumstances, reference level Blu-ray should up sample and there should be a visible benefit to the process. At the same time, a reference quality 1080p HDTV should also benefit from the quality.
 
I mentioned in a previous post that I watched Aliens from the new Alien Anthology Blu-ray collection. I know that movie by heart, basically every frame and I can definitely say that a 4K master and Blu-ray made a difference, even with that somewhat grainy old film.
 
It will be interesting to see what Sony's actual 4K movies look like compared to these Blu-rays. That is a comparison I am extremely interested in seeing.

Interesting,

learn something new every day.

That said, the only movie I think I would get in that list would be Total Recall and Angels&Demons. Saw Total Recall this weekend and really enjoyed it.
post #83 of 824
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

How much you want to bet 4K remastering doesn't help Ghostbusters? biggrin.gif

Some have speculated the current version is not representing the source nor intent as its heavily contrast boosted in certain scenes where it looks very unnatural. It will be intereting to see if this changes or not with the new version...or if it's just being recycled.
post #84 of 824
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Sony has been using a 4K DI master whenever possible for awhile now. They also have stated time and again that preserving the best picture possible has always been their priority

Well, clearly not "always" their priority, or we wouldn't have had that first year of horribly embarrassing Blu-rays. It's been a priority since about mid-2007, though. smile.gif
post #85 of 824
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

I mentioned in a previous post that I watched Aliens from the new Alien Anthology Blu-ray collection. I know that movie by heart, basically every frame and I can definitely say that a 4K master and Blu-ray made a difference, even with that somewhat grainy old film.

What are you comparing Aliens to? The movie was extensively restored for the Blu-ray master. A lot more went into it than just a 4k scan. Unless you've seen the same restoration performed at 2k (which you haven't, because it doesn't exist), then you have no basis for comparison to claim that mastering it in 4k made all (or any) of the difference.
post #86 of 824
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

What are you comparing Aliens to? The movie was extensively restored for the Blu-ray master. A lot more went into it than just a 4k scan. Unless you've seen the same restoration performed at 2k (which you haven't, because it doesn't exist), then you have no basis for comparison to claim that mastering it in 4k made all (or any) of the difference.

Evidence, please... that I am in any way wrong about that! and yes I understand it was a restoration.rolleyes.gif
post #87 of 824
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Well, clearly not "always" their priority, or we wouldn't have had that first year of horribly embarrassing Blu-rays. It's been a priority since about mid-2007, though. smile.gif

Remember the "The Fifth Element" blu-ray utter crud they released as one of the first BD title lineup? biggrin.gif
post #88 of 824
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

What are you comparing Aliens to? The movie was extensively restored for the Blu-ray master. A lot more went into it than just a 4k scan. Unless you've seen the same restoration performed at 2k (which you haven't, because it doesn't exist), then you have no basis for comparison to claim that mastering it in 4k made all (or any) of the difference.

You are so right, aside from the fact that it looks great and it was a 4K Master, I have no right to claim anything!rolleyes.gif
post #89 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Remember the "The Fifth Element" blu-ray utter crud they released as one of the first BD title lineup? biggrin.gif

I do, it was the one they had to reissue because it looked like crap.
post #90 of 824
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Well, clearly not "always" their priority, or we wouldn't have had that first year of horribly embarrassing Blu-rays. It's been a priority since about mid-2007, though. smile.gif

I don't know if they had any 4K DIs to work with back that far?? When I talked to Don at Sony the night they premiered the VW1000ES we talked a lot about 4K and Blu-ray. He said they'd been using 4K masters whenever possible and making 4K DI's whenever possible already. He also said that a few month before that they had updated their color encoder for better results downmixing to 4:2:0. He also talked quite a bit about the work they were already doing toward a 4K Blu-ray spec addition and HEVC, etc.

The fact that Total Recall, The Amazing Spiderman and Taxi Driver are in this set is almost a slap in the face to enthuasists. It clearly shows that you could have done a better job with these BRAND NEW titles and you didn't (if these "improvements" are to be believed). With older titles it doesn't bother me quite as much, but call me EXTREMELY skeptical if there will be massive noticeable differences with these in motion (and yes, I have a screen size and setup that will show differences, no 50" LCD TVs across the room here).
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