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post #31 of 132
It's the same old story: they sell you the razor cheap, then they make their money selling you razor blades.

Kindles are really cheap now, love the new lighted model - but the price for electronic books is stuck around $15.

High Def TVs are amazing and inexpensive - but you need something to watch on it.

I am new to streaming. At first I was bitterly disappointed at Netflix, I naively thought that most movies had moved online. But I've made my peace, you get what you pay for.

I don't think most people can afford to start collecting all the Blu-Rays they lust for. I collected DVDs for a few years, I rarely watch them, not going to repeat that behavior with Blu-Ray.

Netflix blu-ray rentals are not too bad of a deal.

The solution to these dilemmas is to get rich. Marry well!
post #32 of 132
No one really subscribes to Netflix for the movies anyway. They've made it clear that they only want to TV shows. I think I read somewhere that 70% or more of their streaming is TV shows so they don't really care about having movies let alone good movies.
post #33 of 132
I don't think it's that Netflix does not want to do movies, I think that the cost for Netflix of licensing a movie, relative to the number of views it will get is probably very high for what it is compared to TV series, which is probably the primary thing Netflix is being used for.

It's all good though, in just a few years it will be required to subscribe to Netflix, Amazon, some as-yet-undeveloped Apple service, and a few services from the studios themselves (I'm sure "Disney Pass" is coming out anytime now) in order to see "everything". While I don't want to see "everything" I also find the thought of paying monthly just to watch stuff and then having the proverbial rug pulled out at any time a bit ridiculous.

For the cost of a year of Netflix I can buy 3-4 really good TV series on Blu-ray, have them in much better quality, with zero buffering, and OWN those discs so that if I want to flip them for re-sale or file them away to watch again in a few years time, I can.

I eliminated all of my premium TV channels years ago as well as streaming services because it's about $600 a year, which buys a lot of physical media... which those ass clowns can't take away any time they like.

I would be willing to bet cash money that studio executives are practically salivating at recent market research that shows that people are increasingly okay with "leasing" their content.... they can never "own" it, never make a backup of it, never loan it out or re-sell it, and if they die, it goes with them (assuming they don't leave the account info to someone).
post #34 of 132
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

No one really subscribes to Netflix for the movies anyway. They've made it clear that they only want to TV shows. I think I read somewhere that 70% or more of their streaming is TV shows so they don't really care about having movies let alone good movies.

I think that is the truth of the matter. The recent surge in new subscribers is not because people all of a sudden want to watch back catalog movies. I would think that to many people, the price of the Netflix monthly membership was worth it just to watch House of Cards. Perhaps they figured they would cancel the membership after the month is over. Then they binge view a couple more series and wait for the new Netflix original programs to come out. 

 

Quite a few Netflix subscribers don't use it as a complete replacement for cable, but rather as a substitute for premium cable. It has been a while since I have watched a movie on Netflix. The quality is just too inconsistent.


Edited by imagic - 5/1/13 at 3:22pm
post #35 of 132
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Holy crap. Time to cancel netflix.

Wasn't that 2 years ago?

I have absolutely no qualms at all with calling its $8 monthly fee grossly overpriced: content is awful. I know at least two dozen people who have had at least two trials and feel similarly...some keep it for the kids and even that is, well, never mind.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 5/1/13 at 3:09pm
post #36 of 132
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

No one really subscribes to Netflix for the movies anyway. They've made it clear that they only want to TV shows. I think I read somewhere that 70% or more of their streaming is TV shows so they don't really care about having movies let alone good movies.

Don't underestimate their abysmal movie catalog having much to do with that...and as you alluded...never mind good movies.


James
post #37 of 132
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Originally Posted by IfixitBIG View Post

This is the #1 thing about streaming that could doom it: Fragmentation. The studios starting their own streaming companies, or making exclusive deals to certain companies could cause a big change in streaming. Those film companies are now seeing movies paying off down the road and they will not stop at squeezing every dime out of those movies. Paying Netflix $8 a month is one thing. But when you get to paying Netflix, then Amazon $79/year, then Warner $10/month, then Paramount $7/per month, and Disney $12/per month... I think that will turn people off.

100% agree with you.

Why would they license it to someone else if they could do it and get more profit?! Heck, maybe they wont even make their movies available to buy anymore and everytime you want to watch it you have to rent it digitally next....all in the sake of keeping people from pirating....

Heck, might not be much longer before cutting the cord is the same cost of just keeping basic cable....

With all those listed above plus Hulu you are looking at $50/month...
post #38 of 132
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

Netflix killed Kenny?

Those BASTARDS!
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post #40 of 132
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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

I hope they don't delete these from us poor Canadians. I think that would take up about 70% of the titles they offer here!

Yeah that's true, now I'm wondering..
post #41 of 132
Subscribed for movies back in march (could care less about tv reruns), ended up being completely unimpressed with their selection so I cancelled two weeks ago. Thought it was a waste of $7 then, now I can't even imagine. Sad when I'd rather spend $7 on a subway foot-long than Netflix.
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Wasn't that 2 years ago?

I have absolutely no qualms at all with calling its $8 monthly fee grossly overpriced: content is awful.
James

Ha. Try the selection on Netflix Canada. You guys got the good stuff.

My trial month on Netflix was so execrable and barren I cancelled as soon as I could.

And news like this about Netflix help me justify my ever swelling Blu-Ray collection biggrin.gif
post #43 of 132
The movie studios have learned nothing from the music industry debacle of the early 2000, I guess.

1800 titles gone from Netflix, which will attract at least a portion of those who want to see them to pirate sites.

Once you give an incentive to your consumers to go to the dark side, it's hard to bring them back into the fold.

Don't blame Netflix, they are a great provider and still have more great movies than the average person can realistically watch. Blame the studios and do not support them.
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

Don't blame Netflix, they are a great provider and still have more great movies than the average person can realistically watch.

(The problem, I think, is that there are no average people.)

But after reviewing the list of expiring movies the only ones I would have watched were Buckaroo Banzai, Morning Glory, and Thunderball, all of which I have anyway in digital format. Didn't see any other Bond films there except Thunderball.


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Edited by DeadEd - 5/1/13 at 7:54pm
post #45 of 132
So cable still won't die. It's like a cockroach. The content providers won't let go of advertising revenue. I can't say I blame them but there has to be a better way.
post #46 of 132
The new season of Arrested Development was commissioned and premieres on the 26th on Netflix.
For this alone I would happily subscribe. The 1800 being deleted is old stuff I have either seen or not interested in.
Incidentally of all the titles being deleted none of them are part of my instant queue and my instant queue has three lifetimes worth of programming that I will probably never get around to watching (but it makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing it's there).
post #47 of 132
My go to for movies is now Redbox. Sorry if I can't say that here, delete if necessary. For movies, Netflix content just doesn't do it for me anymore but it's still got some life in it for TV I think.
post #48 of 132
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I eliminated all of my premium TV channels years ago as well as streaming services because it's about $600 a year, which buys a lot of physical media... which those ass clowns can't take away any time they like..

That $600 buys you 40 blu-ray movies. I guess many movie fans want to see 200 movies in a year.

The joy of leasing blu-ray through netflix is that for $240 per year (3 at a time) you can see 200 movies very easily. Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.
post #49 of 132
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

That $600 buys you 40 blu-ray movies. I guess many movie fans want to see 200 movies in a year.

The joy of leasing blu-ray through netflix is that for $240 per year (3 at a time) you can see 200 movies very easily. Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.

Ding, ding, ding... you've done the math. I came to the same conclusion some time ago. Same goes for TV shows. I buy the handful I care about via iTunes, I get the optical plastic for movies and save a ton of money. Streaming is dead for me. I am sick of the restricted availability and marginal quality for a premium price.

I had a past argument with someone about the fantasy that you will pay a fee and get everything, but I worked in the industry just long enough to know that this will never, ever happen. This announcement made me laugh out loud.
post #50 of 132
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Originally Posted by cogeng182 View Post

My go to for movies is now Redbox. Sorry if I can't say that here, delete if necessary. For movies, Netflix content just doesn't do it for me anymore but it's still got some life in it for TV I think.

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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

That $600 buys you 40 blu-ray movies. I guess many movie fans want to see 200 movies in a year.

The joy of leasing blu-ray through netflix is that for $240 per year (3 at a time) you can see 200 movies very easily. Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.


Redbox is the most consumer friendly service currently. Netflix charges extra for brs so for 3 at a time your up around $250a a year. You can get 200 Br titles for about $300 a year from Redbox annually with no mail delays. All recent release available, cheap, convenient, br quality.

Why would anyone in their right mind spend $10 a month subscribing to every studios streaming service, except for Disney for kids, that is not a sustainable model. Heck I won't pay an extra $9 a month for cable epix.

It is scary times for consumers as the studios greed, let alone independent providers, is rapidly depriving us of choices. Wouldn't be surprised to see the studios buy redbox and shut it down ala gm and the independent transit providers back in the 40-50s.

Even buying physical media is daunting given the inflated prices charged for brs and DVDs.

Whoever said piracy will prevail is seeming quite prophetic. Oh and I can't wait for overly compressed Netflix 4k content.
post #51 of 132
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

That $600 buys you 40 blu-ray movies. I guess many movie fans want to see 200 movies in a year.

The joy of leasing blu-ray through netflix is that for $240 per year (3 at a time) you can see 200 movies very easily. Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.

You clearly watch more movies than the average person. 200 a year? Really? I'm lucky if I have time to watch 2-3 movies a week. I do use the Blockbuster by mail service to augment entertainment choices (and I do have all of the non premium cable channels so my TiVo grabs lots of crap to watch) but I've been turning to Redbox more for non catalog stuff as the wait times from Blockbuster are pretty horrendous. I actually still enjoy going to the movies, and it's gotten better with Alamo Drafthouse recently coming in. I've been there to see a movie every week since they opened the theater. Much more enjoyable than watching Netflix at home. The tickets are reasonably priced, they have food and a bar, and they have a zero tolerance policy for idiots using their cell phones, talking or otherwise ruining the movie experience. Assigned seats are awfully nice too.

Also, your numbers on # of Blu-rays is only accurate for new releases, and only if purchased at release date. I get plenty of catalog blu-rays for as little as $6 and I get plenty of "new releases" that are being flipped on eBay for $10-$12 after the movie has been out for a couple of months.

It is probably worth pointing out that if Netflix and others get their way, and physical media is exterminated, these budget outlets for entertainment are really going to dry up. No purchasing 2nd hand movies for cheap on eBay or getting catalog stuff for peanuts on Amazon once physical media is dead.
Edited by jmpage2 - 5/1/13 at 9:37pm
post #52 of 132
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

Yet that's exactly what Netflix says it's going to do within two years.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463651/netflix-plans-to-stream-4k-within-two-years

I laugh everytime I see that.
post #53 of 132
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.

It's a hell of alot more convenient than having to take the movie back to a redbox or DVD store.
post #54 of 132
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Originally Posted by Tnilsson View Post

I've noticed that the number of movies on Netflix has been increasing for some time. But the quality of those movies seems to have been decreasing at an even faster rate. Most of the new additions these days seem to be low-budget foreign movies or horror movies (or foreign horror movies). I suspect that Netflix is not long for this world, at least for me, as there is less I want to watch among more choices. They seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel in pursuit of numbers rather than quality.
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post #55 of 132
I'm pretty tough psychologically, but when I read they're losing Basketball Wives I almost broke down in tears.
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Originally Posted by breezy2012 View Post

I'm pretty tough psychologically, but when I read they're losing Basketball Wives I almost broke down in tears.
You should seek help.
post #57 of 132
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Originally Posted by gridbug View Post

The content providers need to remember that nearly everything is available to be downloaded for free nowadays (read: torrent piracy) so the more they nickle and dime the consumers, the more revenue they'll lose.
Honest people don't torrent, what is not yours is not yours.
post #58 of 132
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

The movie studios have learned nothing from the music industry debacle of the early 2000, I guess.

1800 titles gone from Netflix, which will attract at least a portion of those who want to see them to pirate sites.

Once you give an incentive to your consumers to go to the dark side, it's hard to bring them back into the fold.

Don't blame Netflix, they are a great provider and still have more great movies than the average person can realistically watch. Blame the studios and do not support them.
1800 titles gone free's up server space which isn't unlimited. if they are low watched titles clear em out. Even video stores didn't keep every title indefinitely.
post #59 of 132
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Originally Posted by stepyourgameup View Post

Not so fast. There will be a physical media for 4K, otherwise nobody will be able to watch 4K as streaming that much data is ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

Yet that's exactly what Netflix says it's going to do within two years.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463651/netflix-plans-to-stream-4k-within-two-years
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Originally Posted by stepyourgameup View Post

I laugh everytime I see that.

From the link above;
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In a recent interview, Netflix chief product officer Neil Hunt stated the company will begin to stream 4K content "within a year or two."

Mr. Hunt discusses how Blu-ray is not ready for the transition to 4K UltraHD, as well as Netflix' desire to see a higher frame rate such as 60p adopted as a standard. Netflix accounts for 30% of the downstream traffic on the Internet, and it has been busy helping pay for the cost of delivering that much bandwidth through its Open Connect initiative, which puts Netflix servers as close to the customer as possible.

House of Cards was mostly shot in 4K, and it looks like it will enjoy a re-release—

Mr. Hunt indicated Netflix could have 4K encodes later this year.

How much more 4K material than what Netflix produce themselves of course depends on how much 4K material the Studios release to Netflix.

But, "Later this year" for some 4K material is quite possible if one regard this little "slip-up" in an article posted yesterday:
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For Over The Top 4K VOD services, this allows content to flow to the player, but only a designated 4K TV can show the content.

English says that Netflix will use the REDRAY Player to support the roll out of its 4K VOD service. They are doing verification testing now and should be ready soon.

Playback can also occur at three different levels: 10-, 20- and 40-mbps. The 40 MBPS level is cinema quality and each minute of content requires a lot more storage space. At the 20MBps rate, the 1TB hard drive should store about 100 hours of 4K content.
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post #60 of 132
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger 
I eliminated all of my premium TV channels years ago as well as streaming services because it's about $600 a year, which buys a lot of physical media... which those ass clowns can't take away any time they like..
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 
That $600 buys you 40 blu-ray movies. I guess many movie fans want to see 200 movies in a year.

The joy of leasing blu-ray through netflix is that for $240 per year (3 at a time) you can see 200 movies very easily. Of course exchanging discs through the mail is a bit of a pain, but I don't see why this is a bad deal.

I buy blu-ray movies, pay €5-€11 max (new or used). I see all movies that i want to see (i have to wait a little longer in some cases till price drops, eventually all blu-ray movie prices drop wink.gif). Those that i do not keep i sell.

€600 buys me 100+ blu-ray movies.
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