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post #1171 of 4975
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

After a few returns I went with this TV and its perfect but I have a question about the stand.

When I put a leveler on top of the TV it shows up level. Right smack in the middle. I do the bottom and the sides and they are all level but for some reason it looks slightly off when looking at it from a distance. I don't know if its my eyes playing tricks on me or what. An awful test was is that i can slide 6 xbox 360 games between the TV stand and the bottom of the TV on the left side but on the ride side its about 1/4 inch off.

I know I am being anal. So I measured from the TV stand to the bottom of the TV: 3 1/4 on the left side and 3 1/2 on the right side. I am not sure if its even possible for the naked eye to see this from 8 feet away or maybe its a combination of the white wall and black TV stand.

Does anyone think I should ask Samsung for a replacement stand? Or is this normal for a TV that dangles on this type of stand?


I have a UN46ES6150 which has a similar 4 legged stand as the F7100 and mine also tilts slightly. About 1/4 lower on the right. I didn't think this would be possible to see either but I did notice it. So I too used a level & it is crooked. The level indicates the wood stand that the TV sits on is level. Therefore the Samsung 4-legged stand must be crooked. My TV also tilts backward slightly.

Have you checked to see if the surface that your TV sits on is level? Maybe it's crooked in one direction & the Samsung stand crooked in the opposite so the net result is a level TV. But you would see the difference between the two. Just a thought.
post #1172 of 4975
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

After a few returns I went with this TV and its perfect but I have a question about the stand.

When I put a leveler on top of the TV it shows up level. Right smack in the middle. I do the bottom and the sides and they are all level but for some reason it looks slightly off when looking at it from a distance. I don't know if its my eyes playing tricks on me or what. An awful test was is that i can slide 6 xbox 360 games between the TV stand and the bottom of the TV on the left side but on the ride side its about 1/4 inch off.

I know I am being anal. So I measured from the TV stand to the bottom of the TV: 3 1/4 on the left side and 3 1/2 on the right side. I am not sure if its even possible for the naked eye to see this from 8 feet away or maybe its a combination of the white wall and black TV stand.

Does anyone think I should ask Samsung for a replacement stand? Or is this normal for a TV that dangles on this type of stand?
I also notice that the TV is tilted a couple of degrees down to the left side. The people from the store assembled it their own way and not according to the directions of placing the TV on the floor. I am tempted to take the TV off the stand and reassemble it, but I am afraid I might damage it.
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Can some of you please share some of the good auto motion plus custom settings you have found to be best? Thanks.
post #1174 of 4975
Thread Starter 
New Motherboard and back to fw. ver. 1014.

Its like a whole new F7100....Phase 2 complete....

I won't be updating the firmware any time soon.

The Samsung Tech was real cool and quick with the replacement.

I explained the Cinema Black: Medium/High power cycle issue with fw. 1103, 1104 and 1105.

I also gave him my original freezing remote.
post #1175 of 4975
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Originally Posted by emileg View Post

I also notice that the TV is tilted a couple of degrees down to the left side. The people from the store assembled it their own way and not according to the directions of placing the TV on the floor. I am tempted to take the TV off the stand and reassemble it, but I am afraid I might damage it.
my 46" is perfectly square on the stand. I did true it up on a coffee table prior to tightening the mounting screws. There is a very small amount of adjustment but not much. I would go ahead and carefully place the TV face down on a large table that allows the stand to hang over the edge. Use a couple of very soft large & clean cotton towels laid flat between the table and the face of the TV and set it down very slowly. DO NOT drag or slide the TV once it's set down on the towels. Slightly loosen the stand mounting screws and true the stand up as best as possible using a ruler and a good set of eyes. Tighten the screws up being careful to not let the stand shift at all. Well this is what I did and my TV is equal distance on both sides without any slant at all. I hope this helps!
post #1176 of 4975
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

Just wondering: why did you all choose the F7100 over the F6400, which is less money?
On paper, it seems they are identical except for a few minor items:
- The 7100 has 4 3D glasses vs 2.
- The 7100 has the Cinema Black feature
- The 7100 has Clear Motion Rate of 720 vs 480
- The 7100 has DTS Studio Sounds vs DNSe+
- The 7100 has Ultra Slim panel vs Slim

One review site (lcdbuyingguide.com), in their review of the 65F7100, said it did an excellent upconversion for standard definition programming, but never mentioned anything about it in their F6400 review. Is the video processing software the same on both sets? Would both sets handle SD programming equally?

Thanks.

Frank, the 7100 has the Ultra Clear Panel, which is the glossy screen. The 6400 has a semi matte screen. There's a big difference. Go compare in a store to see which you prefer.
Edited by dfp - 7/3/13 at 2:47pm
post #1177 of 4975
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

New Motherboard and back to fw. ver. 1014.

Its like a whole new F7100....Phase 2 complete....

I won't be updating the firmware any time soon.

The Samsung Tech was real cool and quick with the replacement.

I explained the Cinema Black: Medium/High power cycle issue with fw. 1103, 1104 and 1105.

I also gave him my original freezing remote.
Very Cool!! Just watch out for that weird auto update thing that I couldn't seem to avoid. Also I believe the version 1014 may still have the Cinema Black flicker issue on any setting other than Low. I was going to stay at that version as well anyways but I just couldn't seem to stop the update at least without disconnecting my wireless. To date, all has been well with the repair on my TV since I did the factory reset thing after the Main Board replacement/update to Ver 1105. Did you notice how much newer the replacement Main board is from your orginal one that came with the TV? Mine was about a 1 month newer build date.
post #1178 of 4975
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Very Cool!! Just watch out for that weird auto update thing that I couldn't seem to avoid. Also I believe the version 1014 may still have the Cinema Black flicker issue on any setting other than Low. I was going to stay at that version as well anyways but I just couldn't seem to stop the update at least without disconnecting my wireless. To date, all has been well with the repair on my TV since I did the factory reset thing after the Main Board replacement/update to Ver 1105. Did you notice how much newer the replacement Main board is from your orginal one that came with the TV? Mine was about a 1 month newer build date.

I tested the Cinema Black and so far no flicker.

Yeah, I'm currently disconnected from the Wi-Fi Net..

First thing I did was a factory reset...taking no chances.

The boards looked the same...didn't check / see the build date- definitely is a new board.

Funny, the picture quality is better on fw. 1014 than on fw. 1105.

I was getting a lot of macroblocking, artifacts and slowdown / freezing via. DirecTV, now its gone.

Firmware 1105 looked great with Blu-ray and Xbox360, not so hot on DirecTV.
post #1179 of 4975
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Originally Posted by emileg View Post

I also notice that the TV is tilted a couple of degrees down to the left side. The people from the store assembled it their own way and not according to the directions of placing the TV on the floor. I am tempted to take the TV off the stand and reassemble it, but I am afraid I might damage it.

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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

I have a UN46ES6150 which has a similar 4 legged stand as the F7100 and mine also tilts slightly. About 1/4 lower on the right. I didn't think this would be possible to see either but I did notice it. So I too used a level & it is crooked. The level indicates the wood stand that the TV sits on is level. Therefore the Samsung 4-legged stand must be crooked. My TV also tilts backward slightly.

Have you checked to see if the surface that your TV sits on is level? Maybe it's crooked in one direction & the Samsung stand crooked in the opposite so the net result is a level TV. But you would see the difference between the two. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

my 46" is perfectly square on the stand. I did true it up on a coffee table prior to tightening the mounting screws. There is a very small amount of adjustment but not much. I would go ahead and carefully place the TV face down on a large table that allows the stand to hang over the edge. Use a couple of very soft large & clean cotton towels laid flat between the table and the face of the TV and set it down very slowly. DO NOT drag or slide the TV once it's set down on the towels. Slightly loosen the stand mounting screws and true the stand up as best as possible using a ruler and a good set of eyes. Tighten the screws up being careful to not let the stand shift at all. Well this is what I did and my TV is equal distance on both sides without any slant at all. I hope this helps!

I took it apart once and set it back up and nothing has changed. Don't worry about damaging just make sure you have a soft surface and grab the TV by the edges. I used my ottoman and the plastic wrap it came with.

However, I think the problem is with the pedestal part of the stand (not the black part where the screws connect to the back of the TV). The flat metal surface where the black base sits on may be a few degrees off. Very gently and carefully I pushed down on the right side of the TV with a little pressure and now its just about perfect. I think it straightened out the stand.

My 6 xbox 360 games test works now haha. The games cannot slide under the TV on neither side. I dont wanna even get a ruler out cause this could get real OC.
post #1180 of 4975
I did loosen the screws on the back of the set while is was standing up & tried to wiggle it a bit in an effort to straighten it & then re-tightened the screws. This helped a tiny bit.

I want to take the stand apart & put a small plastic shim or two between the 4-leg pedestal part & the part that goes on the back of the TV. I want to also straighten the backward tilt in an effort to reduce some screen reflections.
post #1181 of 4975
Thread Starter 
I never liked the stand...I use a traditional square Samsung D series stand on my F7100.

My silver four-legged stand is in the closet.
post #1182 of 4975
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

I did loosen the screws on the back of the set while is was standing up & tried to wiggle it a bit in an effort to straighten it & then re-tightened the screws. This helped a tiny bit.

I want to take the stand apart & put a small plastic shim or two between the 4-leg pedestal part & the part that goes on the back of the TV. I want to also straighten the backward tilt in an effort to reduce some screen reflections.

Yea if I keep messing with it something is gonna break lol.

I got the ruler out. Its like 2 centimeters off now. I am done!!
post #1183 of 4975
Just wondering for the auto motion I was leaving it on clear motion but sometimes I would get a judder affect and I know their is a custom that clears that up is it higher the number the the less u see but I don't like the led motion on makes it look like ur watching a home movie
post #1184 of 4975
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Originally Posted by Mike Zaaaaayyyy View Post

Just wondering for the auto motion I was leaving it on clear motion but sometimes I would get a judder affect and I know their is a custom that clears that up is it higher the number the the less u see but I don't like the led motion on makes it look like ur watching a home movie

Clear seems to be perfect for me.
post #1185 of 4975
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

my 46" is perfectly square on the stand. I did true it up on a coffee table prior to tightening the mounting screws. There is a very small amount of adjustment but not much. I would go ahead and carefully place the TV face down on a large table that allows the stand to hang over the edge. Use a couple of very soft large & clean cotton towels laid flat between the table and the face of the TV and set it down very slowly. DO NOT drag or slide the TV once it's set down on the towels. Slightly loosen the stand mounting screws and true the stand up as best as possible using a ruler and a good set of eyes. Tighten the screws up being careful to not let the stand shift at all. Well this is what I did and my TV is equal distance on both sides without any slant at all. I hope this helps!
I appreciate your advice. I may attempt this in a few days and let you know how I make out if I do so. Thanks again.
post #1186 of 4975
"Unfortunately short of upgrading to a 4k set, none of the current affordable options are perfect"

And neither is the Sony XBR-X900A. It's prone to light-leakage since it's an edge-lit TV and its moving revolution leaves a lot to be desired. It didn't do any better than the Samsung F8000 at the 2013 HDTV Shootout. I prefer the full array Sony XBR55HX950.
Edited by venus933 - 7/3/13 at 7:55pm
post #1187 of 4975
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Doesn't look that bad to me; very difficult to tell in the video. I do see it though.


I've owned two VT30's and two VT50's. All of which had dirty screen effect and bands. And even green blobs! depending on the APL of the scene. Much more annoying than the bands I see barely see in my 65" F7100.

Pick your poison...

I love falling asleep with the H2, Hist, Discovery channel on and not worrying about the logo. This is why I stuck with LCD this time around...

The F8500 is the Plasma you want though, Panasonic stuff is just over talked IMO... and everyone overly obsessed with blacks and ignoring so many other aspects of PQ. I haven't once found myself saying I wish I had my VT50 back over the F7100...

-David

Pick your poison indeed. I currently have a Samsung PN60E7000 and its overall PQ is excellent. But it also has slight image retention (I'm running the scroll bar currently) and some banding. Lets just say it's a good thing I'm not a hockey fan.

At times I think I would scarify a bit of PQ (blacks, dark detail and color) for worry free content watching. But the light bleeding and clouding would have to be a lot better than it is on my other TV, the UN46D7000 (for the bedroom). Some F7100 owners say it's barely noticeable while others say it's a definite issue. I'm just wondering if I would feel the same as you and be more than happy with the F7100. I was wondering if you're satisfy with how well the F7100 handles motion. Would the higher CMR on the F7500 make a difference? Thanks!
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Thread Starter 
I now think that Samsung may be aware of the power cycle issue based on the new motherboard.

Strangely I noticed that after I turn off the F7100 a minute and a half later I hear an additional click and see the light flash.

When I turn the HDTV on everything is normal.

I wonder if its some kind of additional stand-by or power check in the code.

I also have to wonder how a firmware update would effect the adjustments.
post #1189 of 4975
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I now think that Samsung may be aware of the power cycle issue based on the new motherboard.

Strangely I noticed that after I turn off the F7100 a minute and a half later I hear an additional click and see the light flash.

When I turn the HDTV on everything is normal.

I wonder if its some kind of additional stand-by or power check in the code.

I also have to wonder how a firmware update would effect the adjustments.
Well my 7100 shuts off and I have no 2ndary click or flash of the power light.1 & 1/2 minutes later. I wonder if this has somthing to do with your wireless Network not setup for the Web Browser. Just a wild guess though. Your new Main board must be newer than my replacement as well I would think. But being on Ver 1014 firmware, I don't think you would have additional code beyond the functionally we have gotten used to. I guess it's nothing to worry about anyways as long as the TV is Normal when On. AND....................... Happy 4th of July to everybody out there!!!
post #1190 of 4975
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Well my 7100 shuts off and I have no 2ndary click or flash of the power light.1 & 1/2 minutes later. I wonder if this has somthing to do with your wireless Network not setup for the Web Browser. Just a wild guess though. Your new Main board must be newer than my replacement as well I would think. But being on Ver 1014 firmware, I don't think you would have additional code beyond the functionally we have gotten used to. I guess it's nothing to worry about anyways as long as the TV is Normal when On. AND....................... Happy 4th of July to everybody out there!!!

I got really bold (and bored) and decided to update to fw. 1105.

I learned that what ever caused the click and flash was erased- its gone now.

I also learned that the firmware before fw. 1105 had the Digital Clean View disabled /set to Low or Auto ( and maybe MPEG Noise Filter too).

That accounted for the artifacts and macroblocking I saw on fw. 1105.

The color and black levels are better on fw. 1105 and the overall Picture Quality on fw. 1014 was better for 1080i sources.

Currently I'm using Digital Clean View: Auto and MPEG Noise Filter: Auto for DirecTV 1080i sources.
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So, I thought the white boxes had disappeared completely on their own, as I had watched about three movies with no sign of them at all. Then, today BAM! They show up again. Sucks. Now, I have to return this $2000 display for the second damn time and hope to God the third one doesn't have any other problems.
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

So, I thought the white boxes had disappeared completely on their own, as I had watched about three movies with no sign of them at all. Then, today BAM! They show up again. Sucks. Now, I have to return this $2000 display for the second damn time and hope to God the third one doesn't have any other problems.

I feel your pain....real frustrating.
post #1193 of 4975
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

So, I thought the white boxes had disappeared completely on their own, as I had watched about three movies with no sign of them at all. Then, today BAM! They show up again. Sucks. Now, I have to return this $2000 display for the second damn time and hope to God the third one doesn't have any other problems.
What was your cinema black set to when the blocks returned?
post #1194 of 4975
I have done numerous tests over the past few weeks. Simply put, I only had the white blocks or power cycling when cinema black on medium or high. When set to either med or high the issue would show up every time between 5-45 minutes. Since I have had it set to low or off it has never returned. I'm waiting as time goes on to see if it ever returns but if it does happen with my current settings and after next software update then I'll either return it or get new motherboard installed.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I have done numerous tests over the past few weeks. Simply put, I only had the white blocks or power cycling when cinema black on medium or high. When set to either med or high the issue would show up every time between 5-45 minutes. Since I have had it set to low or off it has never returned. I'm waiting as time goes on to see if it ever returns but if it does happen with my current settings and after next software update then I'll either return it or get new motherboard installed.

+1, Never saw the "dancing white squares", did have about four power cycles- 1 on fw. 1103, 3 on fw. 1105 -with original motherboard.

I also experienced the Mute feature malfunctioning on fw. 1104 - with original motherboard.

Each time I had the power cycle was with Cinema Black on Medium via. DirecTV watching 2.39:1 widescreen movie with the black bars on top and bottom.

So far no issues with 2nd motherboard - the "new" motherboard was identical to the first in design.
post #1196 of 4975
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

Pick your poison indeed. I currently have a Samsung PN60E7000 and its overall PQ is excellent. But it also has slight image retention (I'm running the scroll bar currently) and some banding. Lets just say it's a good thing I'm not a hockey fan.

At times I think I would scarify a bit of PQ (blacks, dark detail and color) for worry free content watching. But the light bleeding and clouding would have to be a lot better than it is on my other TV, the UN46D7000 (for the bedroom). Some F7100 owners say it's barely noticeable while others say it's a definite issue. I'm just wondering if I would feel the same as you and be more than happy with the F7100. I was wondering if you're satisfy with how well the F7100 handles motion. Would the higher CMR on the F7500 make a difference? Thanks!

The F7100 isn't bad on motion. I have all motion settings at 1 (lowest) and clear motion enabled (backlight strobing). It looks OK to me, it's not quite as smooth but it's still very good. I haven't revisited the motions settings yet, i should.

90% of the time with most content the F7100 produces a great picture. (I have calibrated mine in custom mode to a BT.1886 gamma /w HD.709 color). I can't say my VT50 even calibrated looked good 90% of the time with all content. Looked amazing with BR, but with other mixed content it was hit or miss.

Honestly, I stopped nit picking and just watch TV now. The Blacks on the F7100 are actually pretty good for a side lit LCD. Only the cave dwellers would complain...
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

The F7100 isn't bad on motion. I have all motion settings at 1 (lowest) and clear motion enabled (backlight strobing).

Honestly, I stopped nit picking and just watch TV now. The Blacks on the F7100 are actually pretty good for a side lit LCD. Only the cave dwellers would complain...

A.M.P. with Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On is amazin' .

The daylight F7100 Black level is super inky....night time is still good with backlight at 6 and brightness at 45.
post #1198 of 4975
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

A.M.P. with Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On is amazin' .

The daylight F7100 Black level is super inky....night time is still good with backlight at 6 and brightness at 45.
That's what I was using but on some channels it got a lot of stutter so I had to reduce it. Blu ray was fine though. Do you get stutter/judder with the news feed/ticker at the bottom of news or sports channels ?
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

A.M.P. with Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On is amazin' .

The daylight F7100 Black level is super inky....night time is still good with backlight at 6 and brightness at 45.

What type of room and lighting are you in? I got mine in my basement with only 1 light on at the top of the steps and I find backlight 6 way too dark at night and overall since light in my basement doesn't change much. Am I just used to having a really bright image haha?
post #1200 of 4975
Had my first instance of the dancing white squares on a bluray. Changed Cinema Black from Med to Low... all is good now. Hope Samsung fixes this soon....

On to next task... On Standard I got the pic looking amazing (thanks to Pirates' settings). But on a particularly dark scene, the "dimming" seems to take over and everything gets too dark. Had to switch to movie to get to even out (no dimming). Anybody solve this? My test was the new Superman Trailer..... goes from light to dark quite a bit. The difference between standard and movie fairly large. I love the light scenes on Standard.... but the dark scenes have me squinting to see any detail.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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