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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Hmm okay. So this is not a bezel misalignment issue during the construction of it, like previously suggested?

2 other quick questions. I ordered through amazon. Does anyone know if they will let me see if the new tv is better/worse before accepting it? I don't want to swap out for a worse set.

Second, my 6400 is native to 120hz. Does the 240hz on the 7100 have any impact on motion for games if I have the artificial motion stuff turned off?


My experience with the amazon exchange process is the delivery company will unbox/power-on the new set and pickup the old set. I don't think they will stand around and wait for you to test. I would call amazon and talk to them. They were really easy to work with when I called. I've performed 2 exchanges so far. The 3rd TV is being delivered this afternoon.
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Originally Posted by Sebas Garcia View Post

Anybody know id this model has HDMi 1.4?

Yes, its has ARC and Full HD 3D.
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

There are no new issues. Thanks for asking. For the most part, Im totally enjoying the TV and trying not to look for any new issues. The picture is pretty darn good these days. I'm still blown away with the better specs than the F8000's and always believed they were at least equally really good to my eyes. I'm not sure if I'll be trying any new firmware soon but I'm sure in the end there will be better improvements with this TV series since there are known bugs more in the APPS as opposed to picture quality. One things for sure...When I do finally do a firmware update again, I will ALWAYS do a full factory reset afterwards...... Including the re-programming thing.eek.gif

Good to hear....my F7100 is performing very well also (except for the macroblocking).

The F7100 seems to be a better value than the F8000 with a smaller game lag and higher ANSI Contrast ratio.

Both TVs have all the same options- except the F8000 has Smart LED and the included camera.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I am happy to finally say I'm 100% satisfied with my tv. Replaced my 60 in for the 55 samsung panel. Wow. It's a whole other world. Not even just picture quality but also build quality. Calibrated and tested for all those screen issues. I have 0 flashlighting, clouding,banding, dead pixels, light bleed or those PENCIL lines. Finally just a beautiful uniform screen. Would highly recommend those with 60 inch with issues to look into getting the 55inch.

That's great...that Samsung panel can make a difference.
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

Are there really no 55" model F7100 owners here who can comment? I thought it would be the most common. :-O

It should be easy to check using the built in test patterns. Just go to Support->Self Diagnosis->Picture Test. The first two should show any pencil line on the left if present.

I'll try this when I get home since I do have the 55" as well and let you know.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I could be a number of reasons why it's doing that. Game mode is great in my opinion and all the motion settings are greyed out. Motion looks great in game mode.

Oh Game mode looks great on the 6400. I noticed a tiny bit of stutter in the last of us but I think that is actually the game itself. I don't want to upgrade to the 7100 if I don't need to (as much as I'd love to!). I was just mainly curious what twice the native refresh rate does for games. Does that 240hz do anything when not enabling motion settings? Does it smoothen out movement or reduce artifacts? Basically just curious what the difference is on gaming with 120hz vs 240hz both in scenarios where motion settings are off or on. Thanks!

I also notice on my model that dark screens with white text dim the screen. An example is hitting the ps3 button on the controller in any game, with that menu that let's you quit the game or turn off the controller. What setting do you folks use o. The 7100 to compensate for this?
Edited by cstrasz - 7/19/13 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I am happy to finally say I'm 100% satisfied with my tv. Replaced my 60 in for the 55 samsung panel. Wow. It's a whole other world. Not even just picture quality but also build quality. Calibrated and tested for all those screen issues. I have 0 flashlighting, clouding,banding, dead pixels, light bleed or those PENCIL lines. Finally just a beautiful uniform screen. Would highly recommend those with 60 inch with issues to look into getting the 55inch.

Glad to hear! I can't wait till I update my firmware today. I saw that some members do a factory reset when they update their firmware. Any reason for this?
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Oh Game mode looks great on the 6400. I noticed a tiny bit of stutter in the last of us but I think that is actually the game itself. I don't want to upgrade to the 7100 if I don't need to (as much as I'd love to!). I was just mainly curious what twice the native refresh rate does for games. Does that 240hz do anything when not enabling motion settings? Does it smoothen out movement or reduce artifacts? Basically just curious what the difference is on gaming with 120hz vs 240hz both in scenarios where motion settings are off or on. Thanks!

I also notice on my model that dark screens with white text dim the screen. An example is hitting the ps3 button on the controller in any game, with that menu that let's you quit the game or turn off the controller. What setting do you folks use o. The 7100 to compensate for this?

TLOU runs at a really low frame rate. IMO it makes all the motion look extremely bad (tons of juddger and edge flicker). The price for those nice shadows etc. smile.gif

The global dimming effect is "CE Dimming" (don't confuse with auto-contrast, eco mode, etc), which has been around in Samsung displays for a while. It is always enabled in all picture modes except Movie and PC. You'll notice that this means it cannot be disabled in Game Mode. Very annoying!

You can mostly defeat CE Dimming in Game Mode with a hack:
Set Brightness to 53
Set R/G/B-Offset to 18 under White Balance

IMO this results in slightly off colors (a greyscale pattern has too much red in the darks), but is acceptable for gaming. Much better than annoying dimming.

Your other option is to use PC Mode (rename the HDMI input to PC). This mode has more accurate color from PC/PS3/XBOX360 but significantly less saturation, you may not like how it looks.

One other quirk of PC mode is that it turns itself off when the display mode is changed to 1080p@24hz. This is kindof a bummer for some HTPC applications, but also useful since it functions as an auto-mode-switch if you predominately watch 24fps video with AMP enabled.

(I feel like we need a FAQ in this thread. If we put some links to key posts in the first post, think anybody would read them?)
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post


(I feel like we need a FAQ in this thread. If we put some links to key posts in the first post, think anybody would read them?)


Yes . . .
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

TLOU runs at a really low frame rate. IMO it makes all the motion look extremely bad (tons of juddger and edge flicker). The price for those nice shadows etc. smile.gif

The global dimming effect is "CE Dimming" (don't confuse with auto-contrast, eco mode, etc), which has been around in Samsung displays for a while. It is always enabled in all picture modes except Movie and PC. You'll notice that this means it cannot be disabled in Game Mode. Very annoying!

You can mostly defeat CE Dimming in Game Mode with a hack:
Set Brightness to 53
Set R/G/B-Offset to 18 under White Balance

IMO this results in slightly off colors (a greyscale pattern has too much red in the darks), but is acceptable for gaming. Much better than annoying dimming.

Your other option is to use PC Mode (rename the HDMI input to PC). This mode has more accurate color from PC/PS3/XBOX360 but significantly less saturation, you may not like how it looks.

One other quirk of PC mode is that it turns itself off when the display mode is changed to 1080p@24hz. This is kindof a bummer for some HTPC applications, but also useful since it functions as an auto-mode-switch if you predominately watch 24fps video with AMP enabled.

(I feel like we need a FAQ in this thread. If we put some links to key posts in the first post, think anybody would read them?)

Thanks so much for this info. This is awesome! Do you have any insight on the 240hz vs 120hz aspect for gaming? I'm really liking the display on my 4600, just didn't know what that refresh rate difference does in games.

It's a shame Samsung doesn't let you force off CE dimming.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

That's great...that Samsung panel can make a difference.
Any new calibrations out there? For white balance and 10 p white balance
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

There are no new issues. Thanks for asking. For the most part, Im totally enjoying the TV and trying not to look for any new issues. The picture is pretty darn good these days. I'm still blown away with the better specs than the F8000's and always believed they were at least equally really good to my eyes. I'm not sure if I'll be trying any new firmware soon but I'm sure in the end there will be better improvements with this TV series since there are known bugs more in the APPS as opposed to picture quality. One things for sure...When I do finally do a firmware update again, I will ALWAYS do a full factory reset afterwards...... Including the re-programming thing.eek.gif

Even though cnet.com hasn't reviewed the F7100 David Katzmaier said he would be very surprised if the F7100 was nearly as good as the F8000.

My comment: "are you saying the picture quality will be noticeably less impressive for those models since it doesn't have the ultimate + precision black micro dimming?"

Katzmaier's reply: "AFAIK, yes. I haven't reviewed either one of the "7" series yet, but since both lack the highest level of "Micro dimming" (and the only one that actually dims portions of the backlight, as opposed to relying on processing) I would be very surprised if either one was nearly as good as the F8000. That's what I said in the review, and I can't say more w/o reviewing a 7, which I plan to do, but I'm not sure when."

If it wasn't for the impractical stand and interactive features that I refuse to pay for I would be all over the F8000. I want to love the F7100 but I'm afraid it won't be any better than my current D7000 in terms of clouding and light bleeding. It's frustrating that the available micro dimming on the F7100 seems to work poorly.
Edited by venus933 - 7/19/13 at 5:48pm
post #1484 of 4975
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Originally Posted by tikcolg View Post

John, I also ordered the 65 inch F7100 from amazon and found the process very easy. Do you have any vertical banding issues with your 65"? Amazon is actually replacing my TV for the 3rd time due to banding. The exchange/return process is really simple. I called them and explained the problem. 2 days later a new TV is delivered and the old one taken away. CEVA is the delivery company that has been doing all the work in my area.

I don't think it's possible to get a 65" model without banding. I have the F8000 and I exchanged it for another due to banding. Actually, I ordered a second F8000 so that I could compare them side-by-side and then return the worse one as defective. I compared them side-by-side, flipping back and forth between the 2 HDMI outputs on my AVR and they both had a fair amount of vertical banding. One of them seemed *slightly* better than the other, so that's the one I kept.

That said, I still see banding quite often during motion. My wife and I watch a lot of HGTV and banding is pretty easy to see on almost any HGTV programming due to the frequent camera pans.

I just don't think there's such thing as a 60-65" LED/LCD without vertical banding. Not from Samsung anyway. The vertical banding is actually my ONLY complaint with this TV, and that's coming from someone who has owned multiple top of the line plasmas over the years and who spends dozens of hours calibrating their displays!

Curious to know how your 3rd exchange works out though.
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Just curious to know how you guys have your TV audio out setup with a receiver. My yamaha has 2 optical ins and putting it in either one will only play the sound obviously if I set the source to the optical it's associated with. For example, I have it plugged into the receivers av source 4. But my stb is plugged into Hdmi 4. Then everything runs out to the TV.

I was hoping to get audio for the tvs smart system to run alongside the stb audio so I can still hear the channel behind the smart menus. But it sounds like this is not possible since the Hdmi and av source audios can't run side by side. So I have to switch to another input on the receiver when using the smart guide. Is this what you all do?
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

Even though cnet.com hasn't reviewed the F7100 David Katzmaier said he would be very surprised if the F7100 was nearly as good as the F8000.

My comment: "are you saying the picture quality will be noticeably less impressive for those models since it doesn't have the ultimate + precision black micro dimming?"

Katzmaier's reply: "AFAIK, yes. I haven't reviewed either one of the "7" series yet, but since both lack the highest level of "Micro dimming" (and the only one that actually dims portions of the backlight, as opposed to relying on processing) I would be very surprised if either one was nearly as good as the F8000. That's what I said in the review, and I can't say more w/o reviewing a 7, which I plan to do, but I'm not sure when."

If it wasn't for the impractical stand and interactive features that I refuse to pay for I would be all over the F8000. I want to love the F7100 but I'm afraid it won't be any better than my current D7000 in terms of clouding and light bleeding. It's frustrating that the available micro dimming on the F7100 seems to work poorly.

I hope CNET reviews the F7100 too.

The F7100 and F8000 have the best uniformity of any edge-lit Samsung LED...most panels are 100% cloud free and have very little light bleed.

Micro dimming is a major asset in Standard Mode. I had a D series Samsung...the F series is way better.

The stand is pretty bad and the some of the features are unnecessary, but the picture quality is definitely excellent.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

Any new calibrations out there? For white balance and 10 p white balance

There are a few in the F8000 thread....just a few.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

There are a few in the F8000 thread....just a few.
Are those tue ones you modified in a previous post?
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Are those the ones you modified in a previous post?

No, there are a few others over the last couple of weeks..
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Originally Posted by ffjxc View Post

Does anyone know if there is a way where on Smart Hub you can program it to only give HD channels as recommendations? It seems ridiculous that this set would even deal in SD channels. I never watch SD but it continuously gives me SD recs. Similarly, the guide starts on the SD channels and even with page down it takes a while to get to the HD channels....on our box the HD stations start in the 700 channels. Again seems ridiculous that a so call HD/3D Smart Tv defaults to SD stations on both of these items.

I don't understand why the guide doesn't start on the currently selected channel. Having to scroll from channel 1 to my HD channels which start at 1000 is annoying.
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thanks for the help on finding gaming mode matrix.

this stuff with the 60 inch panel being made by sharp is making me angry. of course I have to discover this after I buy the tv. ive decided to return the 60 inch and get a 55 inch. I really just wanted to get a quality tv so I go out and spend 2 grand on the thing only to find out I bought a Sharp with a Samsung tag on it. even if there really is little difference between the 2 just knowing that its possibly different is enough to drive me crazy. oh well at least ill get 300 back. what a giant pain in the butt to return a tv this big.
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thanks for the help on finding gaming mode matrix.

this stuff with the 60 inch panel being made by sharp is making me angry. of course I have to discover this after I buy the tv. ive decided to return the 60 inch and get a 55 inch. I really just wanted to get a quality tv so I go out and spend 2 grand on the thing only to find out I bought a Sharp with a Samsung tag on it. even if there really is little difference between the 2 just knowing that its possibly different is enough to drive me crazy. oh well at least ill get 300 back. what a giant pain in the butt to return a tv this big.
Good move. Worked out for me. Very happy. Now I'm just trying to figure out which calibration to use.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

No, there are a few others over the last couple of weeks..
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f7100-picture-settings.html

Have you tried this one?
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f7100-picture-settings.html

Have you tried this one?

No, its a good find...maybe I'll try those later. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

No, its a good find...maybe I'll try those later. smile.gif
Let me know what you think. Gonna do mine later today.
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http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f7100-picture-settings.html

Have you tried this one?

It's missing the custom color space numbers
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It's missing the custom color space numbers
I noticed that. Wtf.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f7100-picture-settings.html

Have you tried this one?

I seriously doubt that either Robert Wiley or Jack Burdenever actually had their hands on a F7100 television. The pictures in the review are of the F8000 and with the video review of the F7500 it's again the F8000 in the video. But Rachael is easy on the eyes.
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Just curious to know how you guys have your TV audio out setup with a receiver. My yamaha has 2 optical ins and putting it in either one will only play the sound obviously if I set the source to the optical it's associated with. For example, I have it plugged into the receivers av source 4. But my stb is plugged into Hdmi 4. Then everything runs out to the TV.

I was hoping to get audio for the tvs smart system to run alongside the stb audio so I can still hear the channel behind the smart menus. But it sounds like this is not possible since the Hdmi and av source audios can't run side by side. So I have to switch to another input on the receiver when using the smart guide. Is this what you all do?

Anyone have any tips on the above? Guessing this is the only way to run this since I don't think I have an arc input, even though it's a newer Yamaha receiver.
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Originally Posted by accordn2ryan View Post

I'll try this when I get home since I do have the 55" as well and let you know.

How did your set look?

I actually purchased a second 55F7100(7050) from Costco yesterday and set it up beside the original to compare. The pencil lines are way worse on the second set, very dark all the way from top to bottom on both sides! Very disappointing. frown.gif

(Off-topic ... Costco really is a great place to buy a TV. I didn't know they automatically extend your warranty to 2 years. Then they sell a 3-year extended warranty for $100. Plus the 90-day return policy. So you are covered for 90 days + 2 years + 3 years. Over 5 years of warranty! eek.gif)
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