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post #151 of 4994
I picked up a UN55F7050 (Costco model# for UNxxF7100) last week. I use it exclusively with an HTPC and PS3/360. My impressions are evolving, but here are some observations.

Design:
The ultra-thin bezel design really sets this display apart; it is quite eye-catching in a lit room where you can actually appreciate how thin it is.

Picture:
The only usable Picture Mode is Movie. Standard and Natural both have dramatic undefeatable dynamic backlight behavior. The description of Motion Lighting sounds like it would control this behavior, but disabling it has no effect -- even tried toggling to see if it was confused. Movie Mode doesn't seem to do anything special other than disable the Motion Lighting menu option.

I turned off all the artificial color enhancement options (even Cinema Blacks, which seems subtle but really ruins some scenes).

I would be very satisfied with the picture quality, except for one major issue: Motion on this display is horrible. I am used to jumpy panning from 24fps video, but what I see with this TV is a flickery double-image tracking to movement stutter (I hesitate to describe this as "ghosting"). I first noticed it in a PS3 game, where a character's arm had a visible double image moving -- and the game is a decent frame rate. Pretty much any motion from the PS3/360 or HTPC has this problem when the motion processing is disabled, as it needs to be (see below for more on this).

So I'm not sure what to make of this effect. It seems significantly less pronounced when the backlight is turned very low, which makes me wonder if it's not some kind of perceptual/eye-tracking issue... Regardless of the cause, I've run out of things to try -- I'm expecting to return the set because of this issue. Any thoughts?

Backlight:
After running for many hours, messing with various settings, I saw some mild flashlighting, but in general this is not visible even on very dark or black scenes.

There are thin strips on the left and right side of the screen, about 5 pixels wide, which are darker than the rest of the screen. It looks like a shadow from the bezel (obviously not). The left side is far more pronounced. Flaw?

I'm not quite sure, but there appears to be a slight nonuniformity to the backlight. I notice it when panning vertically, it gives the impression of a very faint shadow on the moving image. Flaw?

Processing:
This TV has some impressive frame interpolation software. It is clearly computing motion vectors for individual chunks in the scene similar to a video encoder. You can see it handling a lot of unusual panning (and rotating) scenes that also have other kinds of motion going on. Seeing it create super smooth panning scenes in anime is beautiful.

Sadly, the processing introduces too many artifacts for all source types (both anime and regular movies). Judder Reduction in particular introduces very bad corruption on a regular basis. I don't know how anybody could put up with it.

Blur Reduction doesn't cause as many artifacts. What I have seen is a minor flickering associated with this (not the problem I describe above). I have trouble determining where this option has a positive impact (i.e., what is it for), so I finally turned it off. It makes very strange things happen in this test pattern when the mouse is moved around unrelated parts of the pattern.

I can't figure out what LED Clear Motion is supposed to do; I can't find any effect with it on. There is some speculation that Samsung's new TVs encorporate backlight strobing techniques, so I thought it might be related....

Gaming performance (lag tests):
The panel refreshes from bottom to top, so the rating at lag database is slightly off. It surprised me to see higher values with Motion Plus completely off. It's possible the motion interpolation tricks the lag tester

Measurements via the Leo Bodnar device, 1080p60, top/middle/bottom, millseconds:
Code:
Game Mode Off (Auto Motion Plus=Standard): 108 106 105
Game Mode Off (Auto Motion Plus=Off):      114 112 119
Game Mode On:                              41  39  38
PC Mode:                                   (none found)

The times in game mode are fine, normal people won't notice input lag. However, it's a pain that the toggle for Game Mode is buried in several layers of menus. It's not practical to use a separate input for gaming because the TV will not output multichannel HDMI audio via the Digital Audio Out.

Note that the Digital Audio Out settings has an Audio Delay option, which defaults to 30. I'm not sure how they arrived at this default when the TV's normal operating mode has much more delay.
Edited by rurifan - 5/15/13 at 11:42pm
post #152 of 4994
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Originally Posted by jyoung117 View Post

I also saw a 65 in ST60 beside a 65 in F7100 at hhgreg and they both were just looking ok, an that may have been the hhgreg demo(at best buy the best pq I saw was on the trailer for the new star trek movie, which is of course a dark movie so the ST60 looked phenomenal), I was looking at these tvs probably from 15-20 ft away at hhgreg.

any input would be helpful on the 7100 or if anyone was stuck deciding between the two and chose the f7100, what made you sway that way?

Well, I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I definitely considered the ST60. It's really down to personal preference, but IMO plasma (ST60) would be perfect for a true "home theater" room. I don't have one of those - I have what I like to call a "hostile inhabitants room" (family room) where my four kids like to congregate and act like apes. I'm the only one in the family that would be willing to take the time to break it in and deal with things like image retention. Understand that EVERYONE would complain, but only I would deal with them. Also, Input lag has been reported to be VERY high on the ST60, and the apes do like their games (truth be told, so do I...) and this concerned me as well. If I had the right room/man cave, plasma might have the real deal - as it stands, I think LED is the more simple option. I love the colors and the motion on plasma - this has NOT been an easy decision.

I am still wrestling with the 7100 vs. the LG 7400 (see post above). Same price point at 55" and well reviewed across the board. I'm going to look at the LG again today; the one thing that makes me nervous about the 7100 series is the micro-dimming, and the fact that it can not be defeated. I prefer to not have the TV deciding where an when to darken/brighten certain parts of the picture, but I don't have a sense of how well it actually works either.

At some point I'm just going to have to suck it up and but something - my DLP started freaking out last night, and the last time exhibited these symptoms it wasn't long before the color wheel shattered and it's not under warranty anymore....
post #153 of 4994
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

I would be very satisfied with the picture quality, except for one major issue: Motion on this display is horrible. I am used to jumpy panning from 24fps video, but what I see with this TV is a flickery double-image tracking to movement stutter (I hesitate to describe this as "ghosting"). I first noticed it in a PS3 game, where a character's arm had a visible double image moving -- and the game is a decent frame rate. Pretty much any motion from the PS3/360 or HTPC has this problem when the motion processing is disabled, as it needs to be (see below for more on this).

So I'm not sure what to make of this effect. It seems significantly less pronounced when the backlight is turned very low, which makes me wonder if it's not some kind of perceptual/eye-tracking issue... Regardless of the cause, I've run out of things to try -- I'm expecting to return the set because of this issue. Any thoughts?

Try Auto Motion Plus Custom with LED Clear Motion On.

Honestly, I have Zero motion issues with Xbox360 in Game Mode with Auto Motion Plus off.

Maybe its a PS3 setting or HDMI cable issue.
post #154 of 4994
i too have zero motion issues while playing games on this tv. game mode does seem to work on our sets. I've been hearing stories about the 8000 game mode being "broken". i tried enabling PC mode, doesn't give me the option, is this something that isn't available on the 7100?
post #155 of 4994
hey guys so i just had my un60f7100afxs delivered on monday and played with it til yesterday only to come home and have it not turn on at all. it had no red led light and i went through all the standard steps of resetting it. Called samsung and went through there motions as well. in the end it became a lemon in which i returned it yesterday and exchanched for a new one. now this one i have now was manufactured in march of 2013. I used a dvd calibration and it looks superb on picture qualities. However it seems i can not get into film mode or hdmi black levels. Does anyone know how to get into these modes? I am running hdmi from my onkyo tx-nr818 with it being my switcher for directv and my media pc both also on hdmi to onkyo.i have my onkyo upconverting to 4k output and i have to say my next purchase is going to be a 4k projector for my theater which is running a benq w5000 with same reciever and bic accoustec speakers and subs all around with 11.2 surround sound. But back to my question does anyone know how to get into film mode and hdmi black levels?
post #156 of 4994
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post


Try Auto Motion Plus Custom with LED Clear Motion On.

Honestly, I have Zero motion issues with Xbox360 in Game Mode with Auto Motion Plus off.

Maybe its a PS3 setting or HDMI cable issue.

I can't see any effect from LED Clear Motion (for any content). What is it supposed to do?
(AMP isn't an option for games anyway due to the lag.)

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Originally Posted by KPunk View Post

i too have zero motion issues while playing games on this tv. game mode does seem to work on our sets. I've been hearing stories about the 8000 game mode being "broken". i tried enabling PC mode, doesn't give me the option, is this something that isn't available on the 7100?

"PC Mode" is a hidden option in som Samsung HDTVs, which you access by changing the name of HDMI1 to "PC". (The F7100 doesn't seem to do this.)

This is not really a gaming specific issue, as I see the same thing in video content (with AMPJR off, which it has to be due to the artifacts).

I'm wondering if the issue isn't present on all TVs and I just notice it much more due to the size and extreme brightness of the 55F7100; I plan to hook my old set back up and do some comparison. I'll come back and apologize to the F7100 for badmouthing it if so. smile.gif Still interested in the experience of other owners!
post #157 of 4994
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Originally Posted by KPunk View Post

i too have zero motion issues while playing games on this tv. game mode does seem to work on our sets. I've been hearing stories about the 8000 game mode being "broken". i tried enabling PC mode, doesn't give me the option, is this something that isn't available on the 7100?

So I have had a 60st60 for about 10 days now from best buy, and ofcourse since my return period is up, and this was the other tv I was considering, I naturally due to this forum wonder if I should exchange. I can tell you that my st60 has the most amazing picture I have seen, and absolutely no ir whatso ever. Its definately bright enough in custom mode, as I dont have a ton of sunlight. It comes down to like mentioned above. I have 2 boys 8 & 10, and we have a couple led tvs for the ps3 and 360, set up in the office, for gaming, but I have heard the input lag on the st60 is bothersome to some that have tried, and I really need to try it out tonight. My hesitancy with this tv, the 7100, is ofcourse motion, I'm spoiled by plasma for my past 4 tv's, and blurring during gaming . Of course I would be looking at a 60 inch most likely, since I'm about 11 feet from the tv, and that most likely means a sharp panel from what I have read. Anyone care to give detailed impressions ? I'm a little worried about the 60 inch because initially I was looking at the direct lit eh6000 series last year, and there was a smearing of dark colors with the sharp panels from what people were saying, and this big discussion of how it was important to get a samsung panel.
post #158 of 4994
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

I have heard the input lag on the st60 is bothersome to some that have tried, and I really need to try it out tonight. My hesitancy with this tv, the 7100, is ofcourse motion, I'm spoiled by plasma for my past 4 tv's, and blurring during gaming . Of course I would be looking at a 60 inch most likely, since I'm about 11 feet from the tv, and that most likely means a sharp panel from what I have read. Anyone care to give detailed impressions ? I'm a little worried about the 60 inch because initially I was looking at the direct lit eh6000 series last year, and there was a smearing of dark colors with the sharp panels from what people were saying, and this big discussion of how it was important to get a samsung panel.

Definitely try it out if you get the chance - I have not had the ability to test it first hand. Would LOVE to get your feedback as it sounds like we were/are in similar positions. We play GT5 and F1 2010/2012, Ratchet and Clank along with Air Combat here and these are pretty motion-intense IMO. Would love to get your perspective on it. I've had time to sit in front of a 6500 for a while watching HDTV and I was pretty impressed; my understanding is that it is similar to the 7100 which by all accounts has good input performance. Still, those smooth accurate colors on the ST60..... in the words of Homer Simpson: "Mmmmmmm.... plasma......."
post #159 of 4994
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

I can't see any effect from LED Clear Motion (for any content). What is it supposed to do?
(AMP isn't an option for games anyway due to the lag.)

Still interested in the experience of other owners!

LED Clear Motion creates a strobing effect to give a CRT/Plasma like motion.

You can use AMP in Game Mode right?

Maybe the F7050's processing is slightly different from the F7100.

Game Mode looks and plays great- very responsive.

My only small issue is getting used to the micro-dimming.
post #160 of 4994
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Originally Posted by thestumper View Post

After bouncing all over the map, it's down to this and the LG 55LA7400, I've read so many reviews that my head is starting to spin. I don't see a lot of difference in the 2D picture, and haven't been able to test 3D. The guy at the high-end Home Theater place down the road says the LG is the better set. Online reviews seem to lean towards the Samsung. Very little negatives on either set. I think I would prefer the passive 3D of the LG, but I'm not sure we would EVER watch enough 3D content for that to be a deciding factor. The LG is a little "sexier" on the stand, but this will NOT be a deciding factor either smile.gif

On the Samsung side, I've evolved from the 6300 to the 6400 to the 7100. I do think there's a lot of value moving from the 6400 to 7100 at this point. I guess the Panasonic ST60 is still kinda/sorta in the mix but I''m starting to let go of the plasma thing for a number of reasons.

Any other opinons out there on LG 7400 vs. Samsung 7100? I'm getting close to flipping a coin... smile.gif

I did check out the 3d for an LG with passive 3d and a samsung with active 3d, from what I saw the passive was a lot better, of course this could just be due to the content being watched or some setting issues.
post #161 of 4994
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

LED Clear Motion creates a strobing effect to give a CRT/Plasma like motion.

That's what I suspected it might do, but I don't have any material that clearly demonstrates the benefit of LED Clear Motion (subjectively, I can't tell if it's on or off). Is there discussion of this specific implementation somewhere I can read about? I am aware of the concept of backlight strobing, described in depth at this site.

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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

You can use AMP in Game Mode right?

Nope, all AMP options are disabled in Game Mode.
(That makes sense, being intended to minimize latency...)

Are you saying that the AMP menu is available in Game Mode on an F7100? What firmware version is it on?
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Game Mode looks and plays great- very responsive.

Game mode does play nicely. I thought input lag would be my biggest concern with a new HDTV, so I'm surprised to be obsessing over motion quality instead. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

My only small issue is getting used to the micro-dimming.

Actually, I just noticed that myself with the HTPC in Game Mode. It's not nearly as bad as the aggressive dimming that normal Standard Mode does (which I find intolerable). Game Mode's auto dimming is nearly undetectable even when I am looking for it. The only way I noticed it was with the HDTV menus up. Where do you see it in games?
post #162 of 4994
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Originally Posted by echenberg View Post

Is movie picture mode supposed to appear so washed out, almost bleached....
I noticed the same thing.
post #163 of 4994
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Originally Posted by coolmuke View Post

I was going to get UN60F7050A. I am glad I saw this thread regarding the sharp panels and am now planning to get UN65F7050A.
Any suggestions on the wall mount bracket? I cant seem to find any Ultra-Slim Low Profile for 65" from monoprice.

I am planning on buying one of these - did you think the 7050 panel is better than the 7100?
post #164 of 4994
From what I have read in the Panel lottery thread, almost all 60 inch will be a sharp, pretty sure Samsung doesnt manafacturer this size. Although I may be wrong.
post #165 of 4994
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

Nope, all AMP options are disabled in Game Mode.

Are you saying that the AMP menu is available in Game Mode on an F7100? What firmware version is it on?

Game Mode's auto dimming is nearly undetectable even when I am looking for it. The only way I noticed it was with the HDTV menus up. Where do you see it in games?

Maybe the F7100 Series doesn't have the AMP in game mode, I'll check when I get home.

I'm on firmware ver. 1102.1.

I see miro-dimming in the Black Ops 2 multiplayer menu and Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon alot (its dark and high contrast).
post #166 of 4994
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Maybe the F7100 Series doesn't have the AMP in game mode, I'll check when I get home.

I'm on firmware ver. 1102.1.

I see miro-dimming in the Black Ops 2 multiplayer menu and Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon alot (its dark and high contrast).
Version 1103 just showed up for on-line only update but no information is listed to provide any information on this update. Has anybody installed it yet? I'm holding off for now since my over-all picture is GOOD!!! There are a few bugs in the software that I'm now used to but not sure if it is related to the Ver 1102.1 firmware or Smart Hub software. All feed back is really appreciated. rolleyes.gif.
post #167 of 4994
I really hate to ask what may be a silly question but here I go. I just took delivery of this TV and so far love it. It is sitting on the stand but my weekend project is to mount it on the wall. The manual says I need the Wall Mount Kit. I ordered a Cheetah wall mount on Amazon. I am assuming the mount I purchased contains everything I need. I was wondering if Samsung is saying I need a special kit in order to mount this or they are just trying to sell their own mount?

TIA
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post #168 of 4994
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Version 1103 just showed up for on-line only update but no information is listed to provide any information on this update. Has anybody installed it yet? I'm holding off for now since my over-all picture is GOOD!!! There are a few bugs in the software that I'm now used to but not sure if it is related to the Ver 1102.1 firmware or Smart Hub software. All feed back is really appreciated. rolleyes.gif.

I installed haven't found anything new...yet. so far so good.
post #169 of 4994
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Originally Posted by Rendermandan View Post

I called them last night. The service lady had to put me on hold to "Research" the problem. she came back after a few minutes and had me do a reset on the TV. Its a good thing I have not had this calibrated yet, as the reset put it back to factory condition resetting all my color settings. I had to go through the entire setup process again. once I was done, I started playing the same video that I had seen the boxes before, and after about 1/2 hour, they had not come back. So hopefully whatever it was, the reset killed it. I have not watched an entire movie through it yet.

I asked her if she found any info on it, and she said no, she had never heard of it before, so I'm guessing they were hopping the reset would fix it.

One thing I noticed was that I only saw the boxes on videos that did not have the full 16:9 ratio encoded. The files that are full 16:9 and include the black letterbox bars as part of their encoding did not have the problem. It only happened when the videos had those bars clipped off and the tv was required to show those black bars as blank areas. It seems like it might be some sort of screen saver error when the tv detects there is no image in the bars after 5-6 minutes.

I have an open ticket with them. Once I get some time to sit down and test it out again for a longer period, I will let you know how it goes.

I would recommend trying the Reset to see if that fixes it for you. that is if you have not paid to have someone professionally calibrate it. If you have, write down every color/contrast setting you can find so you can go back.

Incase anyone would like to see what I'm talking about, here you go. They move fairly quickly from the right to the left.


I saw these dancing white boxes for the first time watching a letterboxed movie (I just had one box that was zig-zagging across the top black bar). It happened after watching with Cinema Black set to High after a few minutes. I restarted the TV and turned Cinema Black back to Low and the white boxes did not come back. I don't know if it was a coincidence or not. I'm running v.1014 of the firmware.
post #170 of 4994
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

I installed haven't found anything new...yet. so far so good.
Thanks for the info... Did your settings remain un-changed after the update?
post #171 of 4994
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Maybe the F7100 Series doesn't have the AMP in game mode, I'll check when I get home.

I'm on firmware ver. 1102.1.

Yes AMP is greyed out/disabled in Game Mode on the F7100
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Version 1103 just showed up for on-line only update but no information is listed to provide any information on this update. I'm holding off for now since my over-all picture is GOOD!!!

+1, I'm staying put on fw. 1102, for now....I really don't use the Smart Hub.
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

I installed haven't found anything new...yet. so far so good.

Good to hear...I still going to wait for the consensus on fw. 1103.
post #172 of 4994
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Thanks for the info... Did your settings remain un-changed after the update?

Yes
post #173 of 4994
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Originally Posted by karnol00 View Post

I used a dvd calibration and it looks superb on picture qualities.
What did you end up with for settings?
post #174 of 4994
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

My Settings modified from buzzard767's for F8000

Movie Mode
Backlight 14 (Eco 6, Off)
Contrast 100
Brightness 45
Sharp 20
Color 48
Tint 50/50

Picture Size - Screen Fit (Blu-rays & Video Games) / 16:9 (TV)

Advanced Settings - Dynamic Contrast off, Black Tone off, Flesh Tone 0, and RGB Only off

Color Space - Custom
R R44 G0 B4
G 15 52 0
B 0 8 45
Y 54 53 0
C 10 50 51
M 43 7 43

White Balance 25 26 26 16 25 25

10p White Balance
1 0 -1 -3
2 +1 0 -1
3 +2 +2 0
4 +1+2 +1
5 +2+2 0
6 0 0 0
7 0 0 0
8 -2 -2 -2
9 0 0 0
10 0 0 0

Gamma 0

Picture Options
Color Temp Warm2
Dig Clean View - off
Mpeg - off
Film - Auto 1 (TV)
Auto Motion Plus – Off, Clear, Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On
Cinema Black Low

Apply Picture Source - Current Source


Standard Mode- same as Movie except Color 44 (Eco Off, 10) / Color Space – Auto


3D Movie Mode - *2D and 3D on the same HDMI Input have separate memories
Backlight 20
Contrast 100
Brightness 45
Sharpness 20
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Picture Size - Screen Fit

3D
Perspective 0
Frame Depth 5
Light Control > High

Advanced Settings - Dynamic Contrast off, Black Tone off, Flesh Tone 0, and RGB Only off

Color Space - Custom
R R38 G0 B6
G 15 23 9
B 9 0 51
Y 47 52 9
C 14 51 53
M 41 0 48

White Balance 27 29 28 0 8 50

10p White Balance - not accessible in 3D mode

Gamma -3

Picture Options
Color Temp Warm2
Dig Clean View - off
Mpeg - off
Film - Auto 1 (TV)
Auto Motion Plus – Off, Clear, Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On
Cinema Black Off

Apply Picture Source - Current Source

Those settings looked very bad on my 7100. Strange.
post #175 of 4994
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by echenberg View Post

Is movie picture mode supposed to appear so washed out, almost bleached....

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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

I noticed the same thing.

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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Those settings looked very bad on my 7100.

Maybe your TV is broken...cool.gif- just jokin'.

Some people just don't like the accurate Movie settings.

Try Dynamic........it looks surreal. wink.gif
post #176 of 4994

Bought Open Box Samsung UN60F7050A from Costco for $1550 today, Haven't picked it up yet.

For the price paid, seems decent deal but after reading all the comments, wondering if I should not take it? Also, could not find UN60F7050A model anywhere online other than Costco, is this discontinued model?

Is UN60D7100 model better than UN60F7050A model ?

post #177 of 4994
I think the Costco version is the same, just repackaged with a Keyboard. In fact, I noticed on the bottom of the Costco box (I bought the 7050) it says UN60F7100 for the model number. I really like the TV, btw. Awesome picture quality.

One question for other owners: On my cable box I can get all my stations just fine. But on the TV's tuner it only shows some random stations for the cable company. This is an issue as the Smart functions then don't track my viewing habits or show me whats coming up from stations I enjoy watching. Any thoughts?
post #178 of 4994

Kensurf is Right. Had a chat with Samsung support and validated that

UN60D7100 is 2012 model whereas UN60F7050A is 2013. Also, there is UN60F7100 which is 2013 model and it has same specifications of UNF60F7050 except 7050 comes with additional Keyboard (about $100) and Wi-fi direct feature. UN60F7050 is slightly better than UN60F7100 .
post #179 of 4994
So I'm this close to returning my st60 which I hate to do as I have always had a plasma, and picture is unreal. Main reason will be flexibility as I have 2 young boys who like to game , and the st60 has higher input lag than this tv. I know one other guy in here had a st60 and was happy with this tv, my main concern are the black levels, and motion as i love sports. Seems like most are saying that motion is very good on this set, and that the black levels are very deep. On my st60 the panel looks off during darker scenes, on my led tv upstairs, I can hardly see anything during dark scenes, so I need some reassurance I'm doing the right thing as this tv, in 60 inch is 2000, where as my st60 was 1499.
post #180 of 4994
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Originally Posted by mindeal2013 View Post


UN60D7100 is 2012 model whereas UN60F7050A is 2013. Also, there is UN60F7100 which is 2013 model and it has same specifications of UNF60F7050 except 7050 comes with additional Keyboard (about $100) and Wi-fi direct feature. UN60F7050 is slightly better than UN60F7100 .

The UN60D7000 is a 2011 model:

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN60D7000VFXZA

The UN60F7100 is the 2012 model:

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN60ES7100FXZA

The F7100 has Wi-Fi and can use the Keyboard and other blue-tooth devices.
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