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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Anyone have any tips on the above? Guessing this is the only way to run this since I don't think I have an arc input, even though it's a newer Yamaha receiver.
Which Yamaha receiver do you have? I have the RX-V673. The HDMI out is ARC.
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Its the rx-473. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what ARC is. I thought it was an input on the receiver that the tv goes to?
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Its the rx-473. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what ARC is. I thought it was an input on the receiver that the tv goes to?
The receiver's HDMI out to the TV is also the input from the TV using what is called Audio Return Channel (ARC). In other words, this is a 2-way HDMI using a single cable. Your receiver has that capability. It also allows HDMI control, where you can turn the receiver on or off with the TV remote or even your cable box remote. I know that the Samsung and Yamaha manuals at not good at explaining these things.

Make sure you plug in your cable box, DVD player, and Apple TV, if you have one, into the HDMI inputs on your receiver. Make sure you plug in the HDMI cable from the receiver into HDMI-2 input on the Samsung TV. Also make sure you have the newest HDMI cables. My old ones didn't work and I bought new inexpensive cables from Amazon. They work great. Let us know how you make out.
Edited by emileg - 7/20/13 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Its the rx-473. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what ARC is. I thought it was an input on the receiver that the tv goes to?
The receiver's HDMI out to the TV is also the input from the TV using what is called Audio Return Channel (ARC). In other words, this is a 2-way HDMI using a single cable. Your receiver has that capability. It also allows HDMI control, where you can turn the receiver on or off with the TV remote or even your cable box remote. I know that the Samsung and Yamaha manuals at not good at explaining these things.

Make sure you plug in your cable box, DVD player, and Apple TV, if you have one, into the HDMI inputs on your receiver. Make sure you plug in the HDMI cable from the receiver into HDMI-2 input on the Samsung TV. Also make sure you have the newest HDMI cables. My old ones didn't work and I bought new inexpensive cables from Amazon. They work great. Let us know how you make out.

Oh wow okay. That makes sense. I had no idea that's how that worked. Two quick questions:

- I'm assuming that ARC has no bearing on changing receiver inputs. I still have to manually pick the hdmi input on the yamaha receiver to get sound (controlling this all through a harmony remote)

- So this sounds like I don't need to have the optical out from the tv to the optical input on the receiver? The input on the tv also serves as the output for its smart hub, going back to the receiver through that same wire?
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Thread Starter 
Today I saw the 65" and 75" F7100 at Best Buy.

I have to wonder why the 65" and 75" bezel is thinner than the 60".

The 75" has slightly different design around the logo and its stand is like the F6800's.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75F7100AFXZA
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Oh wow okay. That makes sense. I had no idea that's how that worked. Two quick questions:

- I'm assuming that ARC has no bearing on changing receiver inputs. I still have to manually pick the hdmi input on the yamaha receiver to get sound (controlling this all through a harmony remote)

- So this sounds like I don't need to have the optical out from the tv to the optical input on the receiver? The input on the tv also serves as the output for its smart hub, going back to the receiver through that same wire?
The Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has a quirk. I assume the 473 does too. When I play the DVR, the receiver correctly chooses HDMI-2 for the a/v input from the receiver. But then it switches the audio to AV-4, which is the ARC audio channel. This would be a good thing when watching Smart-TV, but not when watching the DVR. I have to then choose HDMI-2 on the receiver remote. A minor inconvenience. Yamaha claims it is purposely designed this way and refuses to acknowledge it is a bug.

You do not need an optical out from the TV unless you want to eliminate the above bug, but at the cost of additional spaghetti for your wife to be annoyed at and the loss of HDMI control. That may not matter if you can get Harmony correctly configured. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I am happy to finally say I'm 100% satisfied with my tv. Replaced my 60 in for the 55 samsung panel. Wow. It's a whole other world. Not even just picture quality but also build quality. Calibrated and tested for all those screen issues. I have 0 flashlighting, clouding,banding, dead pixels, light bleed or those PENCIL lines. Finally just a beautiful uniform screen. Would highly recommend those with 60 inch with issues to look into getting the 55inch.

Is there really a difference between the two panels? I have the 60, and while there is some flashlighting, I cant imagine any edge lit led doing much better. I would really like to see someone post side-by-side pictures of the two panels.
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nevermind......I figured out the issue...... smile.gif
Edited by JRHAWK9 - 7/20/13 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I am happy to finally say I'm 100% satisfied with my tv. Replaced my 60 in for the 55 samsung panel. Wow. It's a whole other world. Not even just picture quality but also build quality. Calibrated and tested for all those screen issues. I have 0 flashlighting, clouding,banding, dead pixels, light bleed or those PENCIL lines. Finally just a beautiful uniform screen. Would highly recommend those with 60 inch with issues to look into getting the 55inch.

Thanks for the info, do the "Samsung" made panels come in any other sizes besides the 55 inch model? I'm more interested in the 65 inch model myself. I want to go bigger! and Thanks!
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Today I saw the 65" and 75" F7100 at Best Buy.

I have to wonder why the 65" and 75" bezel is thinner than the 60".

The 75" has slightly different design around the logo and its stand is like the F6800's.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75F7100AFXZA

I also stopped by Best Buy but to check out the build quality of the Vizio M series. At first glance they look pretty slick but on closer inspection I noticed flaws in the build quality that I would only care about. Comparing the 7 and M series it became evident that the workmanship was much better on the Samsungs. Though I'm still concerned with light bleed issues on the 7 series I'm came away favoring the 7 series. The M series has light bleed issues too but its smart dimming is said to work very well where as the dimming on the F7100 isn't even available for the movie mode.

PiratesCove, you seem to be one of the gurus for this TV, if you don't mind explaining, why is the dimming not available for the movie mode? Though it increases blooming the trade off the way I understand it is better dark detail and less uniformity issues. Are there other settings that help with light bleed and clouding? Cinema Black perhaps? Thanks.

Other than the smart dimming (and of course the lower price points) on the M series I pretty much favor everything else on the Samsung - app design and execution, video processing, available MHL port (I have the option to utilize the Roku streaming stick), the overall physical design and workmanship, weight, available CMS, file support, etc.
Edited by venus933 - 7/20/13 at 9:00pm
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Hey guys. Newbie LED owner here (just picked up the 60F7100) I've been reading about the "flashlight" issue and was wondering if this is something that actually will go away in time. It's pretty noticeable on the start up screen and during dark screens (white patches in the corners and a slice towards the middle). Love everything about this TV, but wondering if it's something serious and should take back, or just wait out/try something recommended. Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

I also stopped by Best Buy but to check out the build quality of the Vizio M series. At first glance they look pretty slick but on closer inspection I noticed flaws in the build quality that I would only care about. Comparing the 7 and M series it became evident that the workmanship was much better on the Samsungs. Though I'm still concerned with light bleed issues on the 7 series I'm came away favoring the 7 series. The M series has light bleed issues too but its smart dimming is said to work very well where as the dimming on the F7100 isn't even available for the movie mode.

PiratesCove, you seem to be one of the gurus for this TV, if you don't mind explaining, why is the dimming not available for the movie mode? Though it increases blooming the trade off the way I understand it is better dark detail and less uniformity issues. Are there other settings that help with light bleed and clouding? Cinema Black perhaps? Thanks.

Micro-dimming is like a dynamic contrast it raises and lowers light output for whites and blacks.

The best calibration has a static white and black level- thus movie mode.

I'm very happy with no micro-dimming in Movie mode with daylight backlight at 14 and darker room backlight at 6.

Standard is really good if you want an accurate picture and micro-dimming.

Cinema Black on Medium and High help for 2.39:1 material - yet a few have experienced white squares or power cycles with those settings.

Time does slowly decrease minor flash-lighting- except in 3D the backlight output is too great.

I have seen zero clouding on the F7100.
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Originally Posted by djbkc View Post

Hey guys. Newbie LED owner here (just picked up the 60F7100) I've been reading about the "flashlight" issue and was wondering if this is something that actually will go away in time. It's pretty noticeable on the start up screen and during dark screens (white patches in the corners and a slice towards the middle). Love everything about this TV, but wondering if it's something serious and should take back, or just wait out/try something recommended. Thanks in advance!

Sorry to hear about your flashlighting. Try lowering the backlight (try lowering it to 14 per PiratesCove's post below yours). Have you tried utilizing micro dimming in standard mode?

If you're able to eliminate your flashlighting please share how you did it. I'm interested in this TV but have comprehensions because of you and some others having flashlighting issues. Thanks.
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Well, definitely noticing some clouding on the left side of my f6400 as well. I didn't see this until watching the hobbit in 3d last night. Guessing its more apparent given the backlight being at 20. :/

Does the 7100 have similar issues compared to the f6400? So far on mine I've noticed two vertical bands about 2 inches wide on the left and right side (against bright backdrops) and the clouding.

Purchased it from amazon so I have some options on swapping for the sane model or upgrading to the f7100. Overall love the f6400 (it even has a nice crisp glossy screen on the 75 inch version unlike the smaller sizes). Just would like to get a unit that is as free of issues as possible and wasn't sure if the f7100 fares better in this regard.
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For the issue with the dancing white boxes, can someone confirm that it does happen on different devices, inputs, and HDMI cables?
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Anyone having issues connecting the tv wirelessly. I can get it to work if i leave on the SSID broadcast, but once i turn it off the tv will not connect. All my other devices connect just fine when i turn SSID broadcast off. Is there a setting i am missing on the tv or is just not possible with this tv to connect wirelessly without leaving the broadcast on. I rather not leave the broadcast on.
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Has anyone had problems connecting their sat reciever to the f7100 via hdmi causing issues with the sat reciever?
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I need some advice. I have been having issues with my new f7100 hooking up to my bell 9242 sat reciever. When i connext the reciever up to the 7100 via hdmi arc, it causes the sat to start rebooting on and off in a loop. The only way to stop it is to dissconect the sat and hook it back up to my sammy dlp. I have tried hooking up to the hdmi arc, hdmi 2 and hadm (dvi) 4, and all imputs caus the sat to reboot in a few hours. I have trouble shooted the sat and it all seems to work fine when connected to the old dlp. Even when the sat is in the rebooting loop, if i disconnect it from the 7100 it will start up. I have also tried three different hdmi cords. Any ideas or similar problems out there?
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

How did your set look?

I actually purchased a second 55F7100(7050) from Costco yesterday and set it up beside the original to compare. The pencil lines are way worse on the second set, very dark all the way from top to bottom on both sides! Very disappointing. frown.gif

(Off-topic ... Costco really is a great place to buy a TV. I didn't know they automatically extend your warranty to 2 years. Then they sell a 3-year extended warranty for $100. Plus the 90-day return policy. So you are covered for 90 days + 2 years + 3 years. Over 5 years of warranty! eek.gif)

I tried the picture test and didn't notice the pencil lines on either corner. Did you have to go up to your tv to see the lines or can you see them sitting down from your couch?
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

For the issue with the dancing white boxes, can someone confirm that it does happen on different devices, inputs, and HDMI cables?

I can only confirm about setting your cinema black to high on bluray that it will come up. I've changed it low and it hasn't showed up since and I've also updated to the latest firmware. I will try watching some different blurays within the week to see if the issue arises again. If I don't post again, that probably means the issue hasn't come up again.
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

Thanks for the info, do the "Samsung" made panels come in any other sizes besides the 55 inch model? I'm more interested in the 65 inch model myself. I want to go bigger! and Thanks!
I'm not exactly sure but I think the 65 may be a samsung panel. I really wish I lived in a world with the 60 inch being a samsung panel cause I feel the 60 is perfect size. I'm happy with the 55 since the 60 and 55 are ideal for my family room. Samsung panel makes a huge difference in both PQ and build quality. I can say this cause I have owned both.
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Update version 1107 is available. Not sure what's in it yet.
post #1523 of 4977
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I'm not exactly sure but I think the 65 may be a samsung panel. I really wish I lived in a world with the 60 inch being a samsung panel cause I feel the 60 is perfect size. I'm happy with the 55 since the 60 and 55 are ideal for my family room. Samsung panel makes a huge difference in both PQ and build quality. I can say this cause I have owned both.

In what ways is PQ that much better between the panels? Reason I ask is because I own the 60 and haven't noticed any problems in PQ except minor flashlighting.
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It's just a better picture all around I feel. Blacks are much better and detail is more apparent. Also for some reason motion is better than the 60.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

Update version 1107 is available. Not sure what's in it yet.

I just updated...what happened to fw. ver. 1106??

Things look the same..I now believe the macro blocking is from DirecTV, not the F7100.
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Thread Starter 
I have noticed that with fw. ver. 1107 the Auto Motion Plus stuttering and slowdown is ..........gone?

This would be a miracle, as this has been a major issue with Samsung since the D series.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I have noticed that with fw. ver. 1107 the Auto Motion Plus stuttering and slowdown is ..........gone?

This would be a miracle, as this has been a major issue with Samsung since the D series.
My Comcast has the blocking too. Are you still using blur 10 judder 0 and clear motion on?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

My Comcast has the blocking too. Are you still using blur 10 judder 0 and clear motion on?

Yes- I have the macro blocking, but only on certain channels not all.

I currently have Film Mode: Auto 1 with A.M.P. set to Blur 10 Judder 0 and Clear Motion: On.

So far no slowdown or stuttering...very smooth and tight motion...a first.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I have noticed that with fw. ver. 1107 the Auto Motion Plus stuttering and slowdown is ..........gone?

This would be a miracle, as this has been a major issue with Samsung since the D series.
Thanks for the update info... Did you do the Factory Reset thing? I'm going to hold off for a while doing this firmware update at least for a while. Please let us know if you discover any other changes good or bad. AND.... That would be VERY cool if the auto motion has been finally improved. I have only noticed it causing stuttering/slowdowns on some channels and even then it was dependent on the material they were brodcasting at the time.
post #1530 of 4977
If only the ****** network would connect to my wireless,always takes more then 10 times to connect and then update
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