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post #1651 of 5017
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

I see it more during not so bright and not do dark scenes with up and down motion. And for some reason only more during film content. I cannot see it during xbox gaming, but can during Xbox streaming Netflix on movie mode.

This could be mild horizontal banding- I had it on my D6900.

It showed up on vertical movements also and dimmer, solid color shots.
post #1652 of 5017
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

I watch a lot of anime and am very sensitive to motion/panning issues. All my sources are 1080p24 or 720p30. I've found that with AMP completely off, anime is nearly unwatchable on the F7100 due to extremely visible judder and edge flicker. AMP Custom[10:0:on] did not help, but I recently discovered that AMP Clear actually produces better results. (I previously assumed they were equivalent.)

By the way, the sliding picture tests at testufo are an impressive demonstration of AMP blur reduction's increased motion resolution. The tests there also demonstrate that AMP blur reduction can induce image artifacts, although I've found in real content it's very rare.

Clear is a great option- except on films it gives the mild Soap Opera Effect- that takes me out of the movie.

Blur 10 and Judder 0 gives me the feeling of watching a film- films have judder.
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

I have also not noticed the white boxes on about three movies with Cinema Black at High. What is your CB set to?

Wow, Samsung may have actually fixed it......

I hope they also addressed the power cycling- as it effected other F series models too.

I've been using Low and Medium.
post #1654 of 5017
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Wow, Samsung may have actually fixed it......

I hope they also addressed the power cycling- as it effected other F series models too.

I've been using Low and Medium.

I might have to try CB on high tonight then and see if the white boxes come up or not (crossing fingers it doesn't)
post #1655 of 5017
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I had to switch the Smart Touch control setting to Touch Sensitivity: Low.

I believe that Medium and High were causing the remote track pad to freeze the remote functions (except voice) when using DirecTV.
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And this will fit the 7100?? Thanks.
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And this will fit the 7100?? Thanks.

Yes, as it fits on this part which is identical in size to the F7100's.

http://www.samsungparts.com/Products/Parts_and_Accessories/PID-BN96-16722B.aspx?model=UN55D6900WFXZA

Honestly, there are more Samsung stands that would also fit.....
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

I'll take the quad stand over the cheap easily prone to scratches plastic rectangular dust magnet stands any day and twice on Sundays. And for some reason most people can't grasp that the stand is designed to be "wobbly" so the panel doesn't absorb all the shock if it gets bumped into accidentally. I really like the design of the stand on the new Vizio M series, a 180 degree turn from the acres and acres of cheap plastic designs they usually have.

+1, My Samsung replacement stand is made of Metal, Glass and a little plastic.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

+1, My Samsung replacement stand is made of Metal, Glass and a little plastic.
What happened to your original stand?
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Originally Posted by teqzen View Post

Thanks for your input.
But testing local network is not what will matter to smart apps buffering video. I admit youtube buffer less than smart hub 1 from 2012 TVs but come on.

I guess your probably right its a issue with crappy specs on TV, NIC, Cpu, OS and Ram.
To much to hope from a Linux based OS & Arm cpus.

Web browser, network speed & WIFI performance should be 1st priority for a Smart TV.
Because if you have gimped network speed, smart functions will be slow, and useless.

I called Samsung, remote support, they denied that they had internet speed tests on their older products.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7qIRZX0MoM
All they could do try to update firmware and is reset smart hub & TV, which I have done already.
Tried to point out bugs in firmware 1108, but they said TV works fine😱
I asked what changed from firmware 1105.7 ->1107--> 1108, "it fixes stuff". 😱 (firmware updated in less then a week)
Support kept saying TV is not a computer lol. (Cpu, Ram,OS, flash storage, display, usb ports, bluetooth, network card, & wifi. I don't know but sounds like a computer to me😁)

Hard to believe Roku & Apple TV run circles around the smart functions😱

But i guess gotta wait 1 more year until they finally give a crap about, seamless functional Smart TV functions.
Samsung just bought Boxee. http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/why-did-samsung-buy-boxee/

Yes, local network testing would at least eliminate the issue possibly being the PHY on the ethernet. But it wouldn't elminate any possible app issues. I haven't ran into any issues myself (minus some bugs hehe) I doubt it's an issue with the NIC or CPU design, although maybe you got a bad NIC on your board. I haven't had any issues and I don't see others complaing about it. So it has to be your TV or network.

You should give a small switch in front of the TV a shot to force it into 100Mbit (I'm not even sure if the TV will link at 1Gb). It's possible your gigE negotiated poorly, Cisco switches are notorius to do this depends on who's PHY you have them connected too. Unless you have a managed switch where you can manually change it to 100Mbit full duplex.

Good luck! Hope you find a solution I would be annoyed too if I was in your boat, I use streaming quite a bit. A lot more than I ever expected.
Edited by SiGGy - 7/25/13 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

What happened to your original stand?

I still have it, its like-new in the closet.

I'm keeping it just in case something crazy happens and.....
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What does the cinema black really do?I only ask cause I always had it set to low cause of people's issue with the white boxes,but since Most of us have the latest software I guess its not a issue anymore to set to med or high
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Originally Posted by Mike Zaaaaayyyy View Post

What does the cinema black really do?I only ask cause I always had it set to low cause of people's issue with the white boxes,but since Most of us have the latest software I guess its not a issue anymore to set to med or high
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Cinema Black sets the black level of the bars at the top and bottom of widescreen content. The dancing white boxes seem to only present themselves using Medium or High. While I haven't seen the white boxes since firmware 1107, in the past I have seen them disappear for awhile only to turn up again. So, only time (and a description of the firmware fixes from Samsung) will tell.
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

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Cinema Black sets the black level of the bars at the top and bottom of widescreen content. The dancing white boxes seem to only present themselves using Medium or High. While I haven't seen the white boxes since firmware 1107, in the past I have seen them disappear for awhile only to turn up again. So, only time (and a description of the firmware fixes from Samsung) will tell.
So what your saying will it eliminate the flashlighting on the black bars?can it also make grays darker?and not seem wash out
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I just purchased my 7100 a week ago for my man cave. I have a 55 inch which my wife is upset about. I am trying to watch Avatar on 3D but the pop out effect is underwhelming and it's supposed to be very good on this movie. I'm trying to adjust the depth but it says the option is unavailable. Can anyone tell me how to make this adjustment?
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Originally Posted by Mike Zaaaaayyyy View Post

So what your saying will it eliminate the flashlighting on the black bars?can it also make grays darker?and not seem wash out

Yes, it will reduce/eliminate flashlighting on the bars. Im not sure what you mean by "make grays darker" since the setting only effects the black bars found in widescreen content.
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Originally Posted by thdfl07 View Post

I just purchased my 7100 a week ago for my man cave. I have a 55 inch which my wife is upset about. I am trying to watch Avatar on 3D but the pop out effect is underwhelming and it's supposed to be very good on this movie. I'm trying to adjust the depth but it says the option is unavailable. Can anyone tell me how to make this adjustment?
A warm welcome to AVS forum and congratulations on your first post and the purchase of your TV. Unfortunately, I have no binocular vision, thus can't see in 3D. While I am unable to help you, I am sure in time some of our members will be able to address your question. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by willywonkaisrsh View Post

Yes, it will reduce/eliminate flashlighting on the bars. Im not sure what you mean by "make grays darker" since the setting only effects the black bars found in widescreen content.
Don't know weather to take the plunge to set it at med or high yet for C B,has anyone else been safe with med or high with new software?
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

My stand is a quarter inch lower on left side.

I just got my 55" 7100 setup today. Mine also has a 1/4 inch lean to the left. The guys that delivered it set it up so I don't know if the stand was setup incorrectly or what. Other than that the tv is awesome. I will be checking for flashlighting/clouding once my living room gets darker. If there is no flash lighting or clouding or if its minimal, I will live with the crooked stand. I'm afraid if I return it ill get a set with much more serious issues.

Ps
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

I just got my 55" 7100 setup today. Mine also has a 1/4 inch lean to the left. The guys that delivered it set it up so I don't know if the stand was setup incorrectly or what. Other than that the tv is awesome. I will be checking for flashlighting/clouding once my living room gets darker. If there is no flash lighting or clouding or if its minimal, I will live with the crooked stand. I'm afraid if I return it ill get a set with much more serious issues.

Ps

Check for pencil lines too. I'm still not sure how common/normal they are...
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I have been thinking about buying the F7100 and the F8000. Is the F8000 worth the extra money?
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I have been thinking about buying the F7100 and the F8000. Is the F8000 worth the extra money?

Keep in mind, you're in the F7100 owner's thread, so you're going to get a biased response from owners of the F7100 that don't want to believe the F8000 is better. smile.gif

That said, I have no idea if the F8000 is noticeably better, as I've not done a side-by-side comparison. A few people in the F8000 thread have said they compared both side-by-side and thought the F8000 was a bit better, but I believe that was in the store which we all know is not ideal. The only way to know for sure is to purchase both and do a proper calibration with a meter and compare the calibrated results at home. Then return the one with the worse picture (or keep the cheaper F7100 if they look about the same).

I didn't feel like going through the effort of doing all that, so I bought the F8000. I'm very happy with it with the exception of vertical banding which is easily seen during motion on the larger models (I have the 65"). Vertical banding is unfortunately just a limitation of the technology on the larger displays. They all have it to some degree, regardless of what anyone says. I've yet to see one that didn't.

My gut feeling is that a properly calibrated F7100 and F8000 are probably pretty close but that the F8000 is a tad better. I regularly read this thread as well as the F8000 owner's thread for that very reason - I think the two models are quite similar and things posted in this thread are pretty relevant to the F8000 and vice-versa.
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I have been thinking about buying the F7100 and the F8000. Is the F8000 worth the extra money?

In my opinion, No.

The F7100 has a better contrast ratio:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f7100-review/the-science

The F7100 has all the features of the F8000 including Motion Control, except for the built-in camera.

The F7100 has a better game lag of 38-40ms vs. the F8000's 78-80ms - both in Game Mode.

The F7100 was named the best HDTV for gaming from Displaylag.com:

http://www.displaylag.com/introducing-2013s-best-hdtvs-for-gaming-part-1/
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

This could be mild horizontal banding- I had it on my D6900.

It showed up on vertical movements also and dimmer, solid color shots.
Is this a common issue?
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Is this a common issue?

It depends on how well the screens, filters and light diffusers were made and installed.

This video is of a tear-down of a D8000 with a very similar internal structure.

Start watching around 10:00 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uar1HI8KgGk

Think of the screen like the surface of a lake.

If its perfectly flat/calm you would get no banding.

Unfortunately, many of the screens material has slight bends/waves that cause the light to be spread unevenly, causing banding.

Horizontal and vertical camera movements show off these slightly curved areas and the result is banding- variations in the light output level.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

It depends on how well the screens, filters and light diffusers were made and installed.

This video is of a tear-down of a D8000 with a very similar internal structure.

Start watching around 10:00 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uar1HI8KgGk

Think of the screen like the surface of a lake.

If its perfectly flat/calm you would get no banding.

Unfortunately, many of the screens material has slight bends/waves that cause the light to be spread unevenly, causing banding.

Horizontal and vertical camera movements show off these slightly curved areas and the result is banding- variations in the light output level.
Sucks. Thought I was in the clear with this 55. The banding isn't absolute and would have to admit minor. But it sucks now that I saw it.
post #1677 of 5017
Thank you Piratescove and jkozlow3 for the help. You both sold me on the F7100. Now I have to decide between the 60" or 65". I can't wait to get this into my new apartment.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

In my opinion, No.

The F7100 has a better contrast ratio:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f7100-review/the-science

I would definitely take the "better contrast ratio" comments from that site with a grain of salt. Any small change in calibration or accidentally modifying any of several settings can EASILY skew the contrast ratio measurements. Run a calibration with a meter and modify the "contrast", "brightness" or "backlight" by 1 tick and you'll get very different contrast ratio results - especially if the backlights on each unit weren't calibrated to the exact same fL/lumens.

I'm not saying that the 7100 and F8000 aren't very close in most regards, but to believe the F7100 has a better contrast ratio just because 1 publication measured it that way on a particular day isn't exactly what I'd call a fact.

Now, the better input lag on the F7100, I'll give you. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post

I would definitely take the "better contrast ratio" comments from that site with a grain of salt. Any small change in calibration or accidentally modifying any of several settings can EASILY skew the contrast ratio measurements. Run a calibration with a meter and modify the "contrast", "brightness" or "backlight" by 1 tick and you'll get very different contrast ratio results - especially if the backlights on each unit weren't calibrated to the exact same fL/lumens.

I'm not saying that the 7100 and F8000 aren't very close in most regards, but to believe the F7100 has a better contrast ratio just because 1 publication measured it that way on a particular day isn't exactly what I'd call a fact.

Now, the better input lag on the F7100, I'll give you. smile.gif

You are correct about the variations due to calibration- yet I believe the numbers based on experience.

The F7100's black levels can get really dark and white levels can be ultra-bright.

The F8000's new panel is US02, the same as the ES7100-which I used to own.

The F8000 also has a TS01 panel and the ES7100 was available with this panel.

The F8000's measurements are almost identical to the ES7100:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f8000-review/the-science

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-un46es7100-3d-led-hdtv-review/picture-quality

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-un46es7100-3d-led-hdtv-review/screen-performance

The F7100 has a TD01 panel it has a different design from the F8000 and ES7100.

I would guess that the F8000 was designed based on the ES7100.

The F7100 was designed different and can get darker and lighter.
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So I spent some quality time with my new 55" F7100 last night and it's awesome. Having spent some time with the F6300 and the Sony 802a I can say this set kills those 2. Uniformity is great in the light scenes, pretty good in the dark scenes there's very minor flash lighting during credit rolls, but compared to the 802a's atrocious clouding/flash lighting which made dark scenes unwatchable even at the lowest backlight setting, the 7100's flash lighting is practically nonexistent. I'm not a big 3D guy but I must say I prefer passive mainly because I despise anything that's battery operated. So once my batteries die, that will most likely be the end of 3D for me.

The 6300 that I had for a few days had dark patches in all 4 corners, I don't know if I had a defective set or what but I went to 2 different stores to look at their 6300 displays and both of those had slightly dark corners and that's in Torch mode, Backlight@ Max and Contrast @100. My F7100 does not have this problem neither did the 2 displays I saw.

I also played a little BF3 and it looked awesome. I think people are putting way too much emphasis on input lag because I honestly don't think the human mind can detect a +/- 20-30ms difference. I kicked some ass last night and this set is around 30ms slower than the 802a.

My 1 gripe is my tv leans a 1/4inch to the left. But I'm not returning it because the screen is damn near perfect.
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