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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

My 1 gripe is my tv leans a 1/4inch to the left. But I'm not returning it because the screen is damn near perfect.

It looks a lot better straightened out; it's worth hassling to get it right.

Based on my experiencing moving an F7100 (started level, then wasn't), I think the stand design is very flakey...
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

It looks a lot better straightened out; it's worth hassling to get it right.

Based on my experiencing moving an F7100 (started level, then wasn't), I think the stand design is very flakey...

How did you get yours straight again ? Or did you ?
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

How did you get yours straight again ? Or did you ?

I twist-tied a 2lb weight hanging from the coax input on the right side. (Yes, really. tongue.gif)
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Originally Posted by SamOner View Post

I have been thinking about buying the F7100 and the F8000. Is the F8000 worth the extra money?

In terms of PQ the F8000 is noticeably better than the F7100. It has micro dimming that actually dims different areas of the backlight. David Katzmaier at cnet stated he would be very surprised if the PQ from the 7 series units would be nearly as good as the F8000.

What I find so frustrating about the F8000 (ditto for the plasma F8500) is you're forced to buy non related PQ features such as the waving at your TV to lower the volume. Another TV to consider would be the Sony KDL-55W900A but it only comes in a 55 inch size. If you go with the F7100 you may want to first check out this year's Vizio M series units.
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

In terms of PQ the F8000 is noticeably better than the F7100. It has micro dimming that actually dims different areas of the backlight. David Katzmaier at cnet stated he would be very surprised if the PQ from the 7 series units would be nearly as good as the F8000.

What I find so frustrating about the F8000 (ditto for the plasma F8500) is you're forced to buy non related PQ features such as the waving at your TV to lower the volume. Another TV to consider would be the Sony KDL-55W900A but it only comes in a 55 inch size. If you go with the F7100 you may want to first check out this year's Vizio M series units.

I almost purchased a Sony W900a; however, my wife only wants a 60" or larger. I'll check out the Vizio models.
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

I twist-tied a 2lb weight hanging from the coax input on the right side. (Yes, really. tongue.gif)

Did you put your stand together and attach it to the tv yourself ? Did you lay the tv flat, screen side down to attach it ?

The delivery guys did mine and I'm wondering If I should take it apart and do it over. If not I wonder if Samsung would send me a replacement stand ?
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post



Did you put your stand together and attach it to the tv yourself ? Did you lay the tv flat, screen side down to attach it ?

The delivery guys did mine and I'm wondering If I should take it apart and do it over. If not I wonder if Samsung would send me a replacement stand ?

I'm inclined to think it's a flaw in the stand design rather than a particular unit. See my previous post about this.
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I ag
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

I'm inclined to think it's a flaw in the stand design rather than a particular unit. See my previous post about this.

I agree the design is flawed, you're depending on 4 separate legs to deliver a perfectly level tv, as opposed to a solid square base that has 3 fewer points of failure.

I read that you held the tv up and set it on the stand to attach it. This is what the delivery guys did also. The f6300 I had, I put the stand on myself by laying it face down and attaching the stand with zero weight on it and alternating the screws, top left, bottom right,bottom left, top right and it turned out level. I'm wondering if connecting the stand the way ours sets were is the problem. By putting weight on the stand while attaching it may have had tweaked it a little ?
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Have you tried the F7500?
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How is the 65 inch version of this TV?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

In terms of PQ the F8000 is noticeably better than the F7100. It has micro dimming that actually dims different areas of the backlight. David Katzmaier at cnet stated he would be very surprised if the PQ from the 7 series units would be nearly as good as the F8000.

The F7100 has micro-dimming too.

I've seen the UN55F7100 and UN55F8000 side by side at HHGregg and Brandsmart USA.

The HDTVs' picture quality looked very much similar with the same source feeds.

Best Buy was placing a UN60F7100 (with really bad settings) below a UN55F8000 as a comparison.

Honestly, I think the UN55ES8000 had better Picture Quality than the F8000s.

Maybe its possible that the non-flagship F7100 is actually a better HDTV......

If David Katzmaier at CNET does review the F7100 I think he will honestly have to rate its PQ as identical or better.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

The F7100 has micro-dimming too.

The F7100 has fake image-processing based "dimming", which you know isn't the same thing.

Your defense of the F7100 is sounding a little rabid. smile.gif Let's just wait and let the experts speak for themselves if such things matter that much.

(Personally I never even considered the F8000 an option due to the intolerably high lag in "game mode" it has; easy to have no regrets.)
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

I ag
I agree the design is flawed, you're depending on 4 separate legs to deliver a perfectly level tv, as opposed to a solid square base that has 3 fewer points of failure.

I read that you held the tv up and set it on the stand to attach it. This is what the delivery guys did also. The f6300 I had, I put the stand on myself by laying it face down and attaching the stand with zero weight on it and alternating the screws, top left, bottom right,bottom left, top right and it turned out level. I'm wondering if connecting the stand the way ours sets were is the problem. By putting weight on the stand while attaching it may have had tweaked it a little ?
Laying the TV face down (with protection) is the right way to go. I did it that way and have had no problems at all. Putting a weight on the cabeling to square up a leaning TV iis a very BAD idea. Although it may look OK, it places alot of stress on the port connector and could very well break it. I read that another member was doing just that. There is also a common flat edge at the bottom of the stand that can be used as a guide lineing it up to the bottom of the panel if my memory serves me well. I used that and eyeballed each bottom edge of the stand (left and right) with the edge of the panel. When correct, I couldn't see or feel the hight difference from the stand back plate bottom and the panel bottom. If you get these edges flush with the panel bottom on both left and right side, the TV will sit very flat and true unless the quad legs aren't mounted to the bottom plate and positioned correctly with the 4 other screws. If all is OK and the TV still leans, have Samsung swap out your stand and try again. Good luck with the problem & hope this helps! cool.gif
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I actually purchased a 60" F7100 today. It should be delivered August 1st to my new apartment. Thank you to all the people who have helped me. Pic will come soon.

Do you all recommend getting the F7100 calibrated? Or is it good out of the box?
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Laying the TV face down (with protection) is the right way to go. I did it that way and have had no problems at all. Putting a weight on the cabeling to square up a leaning TV iis a very BAD idea. Although it may look OK, it places alot of stress on the port connector and could very well break it. I read that another member was doing just that. There is also a common flat edge at the bottom of the stand that can be used as a guide lineing it up to the bottom of the panel if my memory serves me well. I used that and eyeballed each bottom edge of the stand (left and right) with the edge of the panel. When correct, I couldn't see or feel the hight difference from the stand back plate bottom and the panel bottom. If you get these edges flush with the panel bottom on both left and right side, the TV will sit very flat and true unless the quad legs aren't mounted to the bottom plate and positioned correctly with the 4 other screws. If all is OK and the TV still leans, have Samsung swap out your stand and try again. Good luck with the problem & hope this helps! cool.gif

I agree hanging's not a fabulous idea, but at least the coaxial input is very sturdy compared to the rest. I may take my stand off redo with the tv laying flat (just seems wrong to do that). I'm not optimistic though; it's not like there is much wiggle room when screwing those parts together.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

The F7100 has micro-dimming too.

I've seen the UN55F7100 and UN55F8000 side by side at HHGregg and Brandsmart USA.

The HDTVs' picture quality looked very much similar with the same source feeds.

Best Buy was placing a UN60F7100 (with really bad settings) below a UN55F8000 as a comparison.

Honestly, I think the UN55ES8000 had better Picture Quality than the F8000s.

Maybe its possible that the non-flagship F7100 is actually a better HDTV......

If David Katzmaier at CNET does review the F7100 I think he will honestly have to rate its PQ as identical or better.

LCD televisions from Samsung the last few years have been getting ho hum applause for PQ. Finally Samsung has come up with a LCD TV that's near the top in PQ and it ain't the F7100. If you can gauge PQ from televisions in a store environment that are getting crappy compressed signals then more power to you, I have to put a lot of faith in hearsay. And I think I made it clear why Katzmaier is so confident in why he thinks the F7100 will not be nearly as good (his words, not mine) as the F8000.

"I haven't reviewed either one of the "7" series yet, but since both lack the highest level of "Micro dimming" (and the only one that actually dims portions of the backlight, as opposed to relying on processing) I would be very surprised if either one was nearly as good as the F8000. I can't say more w/o reviewing a 7, which I plan to do, but I'm not sure when."

Start watching this video at the 3:18 mark which explains why the F8000 has that extra compartment on the bottom portion of the back panel. I'm hoping this technology along with the actual smart dimming migrate down to the 7 series for next year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QkNXZctqIk
Edited by venus933 - 7/26/13 at 9:30pm
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Recently bought a new house and decided it was time to give up my big box TV's in favor of panel TV's (still have my beloved HD20 in the movie room though). Bought a Panny VT60 plasma given the better blacks and overall PQ only to realize it just didn't have enough light output for the room I was using it in. So into the bedroom it went and reluctantly bought a 60" 7100. To any of you contemplating one of these, I'd totally recommend it. What you give up in black levels and overall accuracy you get back in razor sharp image and mind boggling brightness. I'm no crazy videophile, but i worked in an electronic store for years and watched the progression of display devices enough to know good from bad and what makes a great picture great. Just thought I'd post up a recommendation to ease the hesitation some of you may be having about going to an LED set. Just got it mounted and thought i'd share a crappy iPhone pic....

photo Sammy_zps94cf336e.jpg
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Congrats on the new TV. Looks like you're living the good life!
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Does anyone know if changing the depth level on 3D maximizes the "pop out" effect? I'm trying to change it on this tv but in the 3D adjustment screen it tells me that it is unavailable.
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Originally Posted by jllphan View Post

Recently bought a new house and decided it was time to give up my big box TV's in favor of panel TV's (still have my beloved HD20 in the movie room though). Bought a Panny VT60 plasma given the better blacks and overall PQ only to realize it just didn't have enough light output for the room I was using it in. So into the bedroom it went and reluctantly bought a 60" 7100. To any of you contemplating one of these, I'd totally recommend it. What you give up in black levels and overall accuracy you get back in razor sharp image and mind boggling brightness. I'm no crazy videophile, but i worked in an electronic store for years and watched the progression of display devices enough to know good from bad and what makes a great picture great. Just thought I'd post up a recommendation to ease the hesitation some of you may be having about going to an LED set. Just got it mounted and thought i'd share a crappy iPhone pic....

photo Sammy_zps94cf336e.jpg
the stand looks like it is from Ikea. Very nice!
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Thanks for the kind words, not ballin' like a lot of folks on this site, just like good gear. Wall unit is indeed from Ikea, i'm starting from scratch and can't afford the really good stuff just yet, so it's Ikea for now, lol.

Getting back on topic -- seems a pointless debate between the F8000 and the F7100. The feature set in the 8000 superceedes that of the latter and a superior panel should result. For what it's worth, i compared the E8000, the F8000 and the F71000 side by side by side at a big box store being fed a crappy HD signal being split a gazillion times and found all three comparable. While i did see a bit more clouding on the 7100, i liked the feature set and price point.

I'll check out the depth level when i get back home and let you know.
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Could I ask the owners - how do you find the side viewing angle on this model?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

And I think I made it clear why Katzmaier is so confident in why he thinks the F7100 will not be nearly as good (his words, not mine) as the F8000.

"I haven't reviewed either one of the "7" series yet, but since both lack the highest level of "Micro dimming" (and the only one that actually dims portions of the backlight, as opposed to relying on processing) I would be very surprised if either one was nearly as good as the F8000. I can't say more w/o reviewing a 7, which I plan to do, but I'm not sure when."

All of this is speculation at this point without a side by side comparison or calibrated measurement of both HDTVs- which Television Info did.

The result was the surprise admission that the F7100's contrast was better than the F8000.

Notice how Katzmaier left the door open for the possibility.....

The F7100 also has the excellent uniformity- I have zero clouds.
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

The F7100 has fake image-processing based "dimming", which you know isn't the same thing.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55F7100AFXZA-features

Quote from the F7100's feature page:

Micro Dimming

Experience advanced picture contrast, color and detail with Micro Dimming. Samsung’s advanced picture contrast technology controls and enhances LED screen brightness, for even whiter whites and deeper blacks.
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The reason for the F8000 and F7100 discussion was because someone asked if the F8000 is worth the extra money. My answer to that is no also but because of the "baggage" that comes with the better PQ. So unless you're fine with the non PQ features and impractical base of the F8000 the F7100 wins by default.

The only benefit I get from checking out televisions at a store is by observing the workmanship and design of the television. Looking at what's actually being displayed is pointless in my view due to the vivid setting, bright fluorescent lighting and weak signal sources.

At least the PQ drop isn't as drastic as it is on the plasma side where you go from the F8500 to the "5" series where you're stuck with low light output (even for a plasma) and no light filtering what soever with the panel. Samsung is one super expensive plasma model (again, mostly due to the non PQ features) away from being irrelevant with that technology.
Edited by venus933 - 7/27/13 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by thdfl07 View Post

Does anyone know if changing the depth level on 3D maximizes the "pop out" effect? I'm trying to change it on this tv but in the 3D adjustment screen it tells me that it is unavailable.
I have been able to change the debth level only when useing the 2-3D conversion on non-3D material. I set it to 8 (5-default) and the pop-out effect is better to my eyes. My 3D Blu-ray player also has debth control for real 3D material but It seems to be the best viewing in 3D without increasing debth, at least on my Sony Blu-ray player. Debth control on the TV 3D settings does not appear to be avalible in real 3D mode for any 3D I have viewed so far.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55F7100AFXZA-features

Quote from the F7100's feature page:

Micro Dimming

Experience advanced picture contrast, color and detail with Micro Dimming. Samsung’s advanced picture contrast technology controls and enhances LED screen brightness, for even whiter whites and deeper blacks.

No one is denying the F7100 has Micro Dimming, the point is how effective it is.

"The main advantage over the step-down UNF7500 series is a feature Samsung is calling "Micro Dimming Ultimate with Precision Black Local Dimming," as opposed to mere Micro Dimming Pro on the UNF7500. The difference, according to Samsung, is that the UNF8000 actually dims different areas of the backlight, while the dimming of the 7500 and lesser Samsung TVs (down to the UNF6400 series) is strictly video-processing-based. The company claims there are hundreds of different dimming zones on the UNF8000"

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un55f8000/4505-6482_7-35576107.html

Yes, Katzmaier has left the door open and point taken, we won't know for sure about the F7100 according to him until he reviews it. And since he boldly claims the F7100 will not be "nearly as good" as the F8000 he darn well better review it!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

Yes, Katzmaier has left the door open and point taken, we won't know for sure about the F7100 according to him until he reviews it. And since he boldly claims the F7100 will not be "nearly as good" as the F8000 he darn well better review it!

+1, Agreeded....biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by millionmonkeys View Post

Could I ask the owners - how do you find the side viewing angle on this model?

Its decent, the picture begins to lose color saturation and black levels at around 35 degrees off center.

Plasma is the best for off angle viewing. The Samsung ES8000 has better off angle viewing.
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

I have been able to change the depth level only when using the 2-3D conversion on non-3D material. I set it to 8 (5-default) and the pop-out effect is better to my eyes. My 3D Blu-ray player also has depth control for real 3D material but It seems to be the best viewing in 3D without increasing depth, at least on my Sony Blu-ray player. Depth control on the TV 3D settings does not appear to be available in real 3D mode for any 3D I have viewed so far.

How is the native 3D from the Blu-ray player?

I only have DirecTV 3D sources - they look pretty-good.

I think that only 3D Blu-ray has the maximum 3D HD resolution.

The 2D to 3D conversion looks acceptable on most sources.
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