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post #1741 of 4992
Looking at the image shown I'm thinking it wasn't pencil lines. I actually never saw it against white and it wasn't right up against the edge of the bezel, it was out about an inch or 2 (and the band itself looked thicker than the pencil lines in thus pic).

The replacement I got doesn't seem to have it or if it does I don't notice it. Really, it's just the clouding that annoys me. Had it on the original and now have it on this one. It's almost like a faint camouflage of brighter black when looking at a pure black image. Just figuring out if I live with it or if 7100s are better about this. I doubt a 3rd 6400 will be any better. Also figure the larger screens may be more susceptible.
post #1742 of 4992
Well I got brave last night and did the 1108 Firmware update since I saw NO complaints that could affected my TV's current setup. There are mostly good things I can say about the latest firmware. My Gray scale shown in test pattern #1 is the best purest gray scale I have EVER seen on my TV. I am also seeing a new pattern within the gray scale both above and below the gray scale it'self. I now see a shadow of a gray square above with another black square contained within the shadow. This area was solid black before this firmware update. I was able to see this object before but had to turn up the Brightness to around 60 before this would show up. I am at brightness level 45 and now it does show up which my TV is calibrated to. This has to bring out much better shadow detail then previously shown with the earlier firmware versions. I also see a very light white box below the pattern 1 gray scale with Contrast set to 100 (movie mode). The upper and lower boxes above and below the Gray scale are identical except for the color shades correspond to white (bottom) and Black (top) of the pattern image. I never saw this relationship before after my TV was in calibration usingf my Cal disk. I always did get the bottom white box to show up but the top was always just pure black. If the Contrast is to high and white is clipping, this light white box under the gray scale won't show up, instead, there will just be a solid white background where the shadow box should be located.

Colors look really good as well after the update. Motion seems to be handeled slightly better as well.

Now for the downside..

I am seeing a bit more noise on my cable TV box on some brodcasts. Also I'm not sure if it's just the Samsung server but browsing and other Smart Hub functions seem a little bit less responsive over-all.

Well I did NOT do the reset thing as I swore I would since I don't see anything messed up that was OK before this update. I still may if the Smart Hub continues to remain slow. Otherwise, Over-all, I'm glad I did the update. rolleyes.gif
post #1743 of 4992
what's better for PC mode? Standard picture or "Entertain"? still trying to perfect this before GTA V comes out smile.gif
post #1744 of 4992
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

The smart junk is especially offensive when you realize how quickly it will be obsolete. The $35 Chromecast plugged into an hdmi port will be more capable, and you can replace it every year.

Maybe all these cheap android based devices will drive the TV makers out of the "apps" market and they'll stop holding the top-end hardware hostage.

You seem to be comparing apples and oranges, I look at apps and smart interaction features as two completely different entities. Streaming apps are becoming commonplace on new televisions so I don't understand how top end hardware is being held hostage by them. Most apps work very well on SmartHub televisions especially if you have at least a dual processor, the trouble most folks have with them is actually an issue with their Wi-Fi connection. Also, you have DLNA support with All Share Play.

At this point I don't see much appeal to a Chromecast stick as it has limited functionality and streaming support.

A thumb size device I find more intriguing is the Roku streaming stick. And no, you don't need a "Roku Ready" TV for it to work, just need to have a HDMI/MHL port.
Edited by venus933 - 7/28/13 at 1:12pm
post #1745 of 4992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Well I got brave last night and did the 1108 Firmware update since I saw NO complaints that could affected my TV's current setup. There are mostly good things I can say about the latest firmware. My Gray scale shown in test pattern #1 is the best purest gray scale I have EVER seen on my TV. I am also seeing a new pattern within the gray scale both above and below the gray scale it'self. I now see a shadow of a gray square above with another black square contained within the shadow. This area was solid black before this firmware update. I was able to see this object before but had to turn up the Brightness to around 60 before this would show up. I am at brightness level 45 and now it does show up which my TV is calibrated to. This has to bring out much better shadow detail then previously shown with the earlier firmware versions. I also see a very light white box below the pattern 1 gray scale with Contrast set to 100 (movie mode). The upper and lower boxes above and below the Gray scale are identical except for the color shades correspond to white (bottom) and Black (top) of the pattern image. I never saw this relationship before after my TV was in calibration usingf my Cal disk. I always did get the bottom white box to show up but the top was always just pure black. If the Contrast is to high and white is clipping, this light white box under the gray scale won't show up, instead, there will just be a solid white background where the shadow box should be located.

Colors look really good as well after the update. Motion seems to be handeled slightly better as well.

Now for the downside..

I am seeing a bit more noise on my cable TV box on some brodcasts. Also I'm not sure if it's just the Samsung server but browsing and other Smart Hub functions seem a little bit less responsive over-all.

Well I did NOT do the reset thing as I swore I would since I don't see anything messed up that was OK before this update. I still may if the Smart Hub continues to remain slow. Otherwise, Over-all, I'm glad I did the update. rolleyes.gif

I'm at 1107 and may update to 1108.

My only concern is the noise/ macroblocking via DirecTV.

Good to hear about the greyscale and color.
post #1746 of 4992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by theP0PE View Post

what's better for PC mode? Standard picture or "Entertain"? still trying to perfect this before GTA V comes out smile.gif

I'm looking forward to GTA V also..Game Mode is your best bet.

PC mode won't reduce lag and the picture will not "Pop" like Standard Mode.
post #1747 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I'm looking forward to GTA V also..Game Mode is your best bet.

PC mode won't reduce lag and the picture will not "Pop" like Standard Mode.

wait so the PC trick doesn't work on this TV? or do you mean it's just no better than Game mode's input lag? and I love Game Mode except for the forced sound setting and dimming
post #1748 of 4992
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Originally Posted by theP0PE View Post

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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I'm looking forward to GTA V also..Game Mode is your best bet.

PC mode won't reduce lag and the picture will not "Pop" like Standard Mode.

wait so the PC trick doesn't work on this TV? or do you mean it's just no better than Game mode's input lag? and I love Game Mode except for the forced sound setting and dimming

From what I've read the game mode and pc modes have the same input lag. Someone did testing on here. As for the pc mode vs game mode, I've heard the game mode pops a bit more whereas the pc mode has more accurate colors. Also read that the pc mode does not auto dim on dark scenes unlike the game mode (which you can compensate for by turning up some settings). I'm still playing with settings but right now I have my gaming HTC, ps3 and xbox all going to the pc input with the limited color range.
post #1749 of 4992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by theP0PE View Post

wait so the PC trick doesn't work on this TV? or do you mean it's just no better than Game mode's input lag? and I love Game Mode except for the forced sound setting and dimming

I like Movie sound and rarely see the extreme dimming so Game Mode is game on!

The PC mode is an option with select HDMI#> Source> Tools> Edit Name> PC.
post #1750 of 4992
Thread Starter 
I just updated to fw. 1108 and it looks very similar to fw. 1107.

I still see the macroblocking on select channels via. DirecTV.

Once again, I blame DirecTV's weaker MPEG-4 signal vs. the F7100.
post #1751 of 4992
no dimming and no forced audio setting when I changed input to PC. success!!!!
post #1752 of 4992
Looking for what I expect will be biased advice. Need a 65 and leaning towards this TV. Cant do the 8000 because of the stupid stand. As owners are folks generally happy? Do it or wait...
post #1753 of 4992
Hay Guy's just wanted to share my settings with my New 65F7100. I just bought it yesterday from Conn's Home Furniture Store in Phoenix AZ. I love the TV a lot and was playing around with the settings to compare to my Sony HX820.

Here are my settings:

Standard Mode: I found this to be a great setting for games etc...

Backlight: 8

Contrast: 86

Brightness: 41

Color: 38

Sharpness: 15

Tint: 0 or 50\50

Advanced Settings:

Color Temp: Warm 1

Gamma: -1

Dynamic Contrast: Low

White Balance: Auto

Cinema Black: Low

Everything else: OFF

See what you think, I'm in a dark room and found that these settings are fantastic through my eyes. rolleyes.gif

I also have this bad boy hooked up to my computer and I have no input lag what so ever, my games run very smooth and rich with color. Watching movies on this looked awesome I played Avengers and Wreck it Ralph to test the colors contrast etc... Amazing smile.gif
post #1754 of 4992
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

The reason for the F8000 and F7100 discussion was because someone asked if the F8000 is worth the extra money. My answer to that is no also but because of the "baggage" that comes with the better PQ. So unless you're fine with the non PQ features and impractical base of the F8000 the F7100 wins by default.

+1, Seems like the Smart LED of the F8000 is also extra "baggage".

Calibration test show how it crushes black levels and detail....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463286/official-samsung-unxxf8000-owners-thread/120#post_23136666
post #1755 of 4992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dortiz View Post

Looking for what I expect will be biased advice. Need a 65 and leaning towards this TV. Cant do the 8000 because of the stupid stand. As owners are folks generally happy? Do it or wait...

Overall, its an exceptional HDTV- it has had a few issues.

You picked a good time to get the F7100 as its most recent firmware 1108 seems to correct most past issues.

There are a few 65" owners that could give you more input....
post #1756 of 4992
After some difficulty with the screws, I managed to assemble the base of my UN46F7100 and attach it to the TV. It turned out level and absolutely steady. I believe the holes for the screws were marginally too small. Tiny bits of metal were shaved off when I put the screws in with the help of a Makita. I'm amazed anyone could do it with an ordinary screwdriver!

While the TV downloads updates (wireless connection set-up was ridiculously easy), I'm worrying about audio.

I have an older receiver, a Denon DRA-395 with Boston VR3 speakers (left/right, no woofer). The Denon receiver does not have an HDMI port; everything is component ports.

I do not need any sound to come out of the TV's built-in speakers ever; I want all sound to come out of the speakers hooked up to the Denon receiver. I do not have a cable service and I do not receive any broadcast channels. Everything playing on the TV will be either streamed content such as Netflix or Amazon Instant Video, or a DVD.

I've purchased a Samsung Blu-Ray player for the television; it's connected to the TV with an HDMI cable. So I think I will need audio output from the TV to the Denon receiver (for Netflix and Amazon), and audio output from the DVD player to the receiver.

Does this sound like a plan, or more of a nightmare? smile.gif Is anyone else trying to use older audio equipment with the latest Samsung TVs and blu-ray players?
post #1757 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

+1, Seems like the Smart LED of the F8000 is also extra "baggage".

Calibration test show how it crushes black levels and detail....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463286/official-samsung-unxxf8000-owners-thread/120#post_23136666

"Speaking of shadows, the F8000 was also excellent at maintaining detail therein, from the face and jacket of the doomed sniper (49:45) to Bond's shadowy stroll the dim Macau bar (56:29)."

"In case you're curious, turning Smart LED (dimming) off on the F8000 isn't advisable. In addition to the much worse black levels, the TV exhibited significant dark-field uniformity errors in that mode (see below*). A setting of Low or better eliminated those problems; I chose Standard for its combination of flat gamma and excellent black levels, but all three (Low, Standard, and High) performed very well, unlike the various settings on most other dimming-capable sets."

"Thanks to its local dimming, it also manages to avoid the bluish shadows and blacks that plague so many lighter LED-based LCDs."

* "As long as you keep local dimming engaged, the F8000's dark-field uniformity is very good, if not quite at the same level as the Sony. Turning it Off, however, reveals a large cross-shaped dark area smack in the middle of the screen, quartering four large cloudy balls."

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60f8000/4505-6482_7-35566921-2.html

When HD Nation reviewed the LG 55LA7400 on the June 19 episode Robert Heron said he had the Samsung equivalent in for testing. I'm assuming that would be a "7" series TV so hopefully that episode will be airing soon just to get another perspective.
Edited by venus933 - 7/28/13 at 10:39pm
post #1758 of 4992
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Originally Posted by mikopet View Post

After some difficulty with the screws, I managed to assemble the base of my UN46F7100 and attach it to the TV. It turned out level and absolutely steady. I believe the holes for the screws were marginally too small. Tiny bits of metal were shaved off when I put the screws in with the help of a Makita. I'm amazed anyone could do it with an ordinary screwdriver!

While the TV downloads updates (wireless connection set-up was ridiculously easy), I'm worrying about audio.

I have an older receiver, a Denon DRA-395 with Boston VR3 speakers (left/right, no woofer). The Denon receiver does not have an HDMI port; everything is component ports.

I do not need any sound to come out of the TV's built-in speakers ever; I want all sound to come out of the speakers hooked up to the Denon receiver. I do not have a cable service and I do not receive any broadcast channels. Everything playing on the TV will be either streamed content such as Netflix or Amazon Instant Video, or a DVD.

I've purchased a Samsung Blu-Ray player for the television; it's connected to the TV with an HDMI cable. So I think I will need audio output from the TV to the Denon receiver (for Netflix and Amazon), and audio output from the DVD player to the receiver.

Does this sound like a plan, or more of a nightmare? smile.gif Is anyone else trying to use older audio equipment with the latest Samsung TVs and blu-ray players?
If you are only needing stereo sound, you can use the TV headphone output to your stereo's input. It requires an adaptor cable on one end being a mini stereo jack wired to a Y cable providing 2 seperate R & L RCA component style inputs that plug into the component audio inputs on the stereo receiver. I selected Tape In on my old Onkyo and the sound level is perfect and the sound you get from the receiver is what ever is being viewed on the TV. The only drawback is the TV's volume control adjustment has no effect over the receiver's sound output level when connected this way. Oh yeah... Glad yoy got that TV stand mounted!
post #1759 of 4992
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

So...clouding. I'm on my second f6400 (first had some edge lighting issues near the bezel). This one has more pronounced clouding than the first I think. I am curious to know how the 7100's compare to the 6400's when it comes to clouding? That's really the only thing I am looking to see if there are improvements on. It's a 75" model so I know I may be more susceptible to clouding (since I've heard bigger models have it more often?). Screen quality otherwise is great. Just wondering what everyone's experience is with the 7100 because I'd have to drop about a grand just to upgrade from the current model I'm at and don't want to do a third exchange with Amazon if it wouldn't result in better screen uniformity. Impression I get is there won't be a difference since the micro dimming is handled the same on both lines of models?

I notice it only on dark black portions of the screen (like a fade to black/cross fade) and when the lights are out. It's much more difficult to see when the lights aren't out or the screen has a good amount of non black to it. Could also be my backlit setting being maxed out (especially for 3D) but I like the pop that it gives.

Was wondering if anyone had insight on the above? I managed to take some pics of my set tonight. Now, granted it looks no where NEAR this bad. It's just the ISO on the camera cranked way the heck up but you can see where the clouding is. However, viewing it as normal in a dark room you will see these spots very faintly on a pure black screen. The bottom most picture is what it looks like in real world conditions.

I run the set with the LED Brightness cranked to max so maybe I just need to turn it down although it looks best that way during the day for me at least (may just need to make a day/night mode I guess). But do the 7100s have this issue as well?





post #1760 of 4992
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Was wondering if anyone had insight on the above? I managed to take some pics of my set tonight. Now, granted it looks no where NEAR this bad. It's just the ISO on the camera cranked way the heck up but you can see where the clouding is. However, viewing it as normal in a dark room you will see these spots very faintly on a pure black screen. The bottom most picture is what it looks like in real world conditions.

I run the set with the LED Brightness cranked to max so maybe I just need to turn it down although it looks best that way during the day for me at least (may just need to make a day/night mode I guess). But do the 7100s have this issue as well?







cstrasz,

I have my TV set at Standard with back light to 8 but I'm in a dark room though. The reason for clouding is because Contrast is too high and back light on max. Also when I was playing around with my 7100 I found that the color seemed to be bleeding on some movies like Wreck it Ralph etc, so I turned it down to 38. That gave me a true color garment through my eye viewing it, yours are different. I have a bit of an edge lit problem but that's what your going to see with TV's now these days because manufactures don't want to spend the extra $$$ on full array back lighting technology. I found that Movie mode has a problem with clouding and edge lighting that I saw. Good Luck to you sir I hope your TV does many wanders for you. Cheers smile.gif
post #1761 of 4992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by venus933 View Post

When HD Nation reviewed the LG 55LA7400 on the June 19 episode Robert Heron said he had the Samsung equivalent in for testing. I'm assuming that would be a "7" series TV so hopefully that episode will be airing soon just to get another perspective.

Sounds good, the guys at HD Nation are excellent.
post #1762 of 4992
How does the local dimming work on these TVs? Does it introduce any kind of flicker?
post #1763 of 4992
Using the built-in Netflix, I have been watching a 2002 TV series called Firefly. The series is in standard definition, though it fits the 16X9 format. The TV's up-conversion was decent but not outstanding. Last night I had the idea of watching the same show using Apple TV's Netflix. The up-conversion was noticeably better in terms of definition, sharpness and contrast on Apple TV. Has anyone else compared up-conversion picture quality from other apps such as YouTube on both the Samsung Smart-TV and Apple TV.?

On another note, I finally got around to watching a letter-boxed HD movie, one rented from Apple TV. I am on firmware 1108 and turned cinema black all the way to high. There were no dancing white squares.
post #1764 of 4992
Is it normal for tv stations to look grainy on this tv? I have cox cable and i dont believe its the cable box, even stations on my 2005 sony lcd tv dont look grainy.
post #1765 of 4992
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Originally Posted by CNOLA85 View Post

Is it normal for tv stations to look grainy on this tv? I have cox cable and i dont believe its the cable box, even stations on my 2005 sony lcd tv dont look grainy.
No, it is not normal for TV station programming to look grainy.. How do you have your cable box hooked up to the TV?
post #1766 of 4992
I have the cox cable box hooked up to the tv through a HDMI cable.
post #1767 of 4992
I have tried different HDMI cables as well and still looks grainy.
post #1768 of 4992
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Originally Posted by emileg View Post

Using the built-in Netflix, I have been watching a 2002 TV series called Firefly. The series is in standard definition, though it fits the 16X9 format. The TV's up-conversion was decent but not outstanding. Last night I had the idea of watching the same show using Apple TV's Netflix. The up-conversion was noticeably better in terms of definition, sharpness and contrast on Apple TV. Has anyone else compared up-conversion picture quality from other apps such as YouTube on both the Samsung Smart-TV and Apple TV.?

On another note, I finally got around to watching a letter-boxed HD movie, one rented from Apple TV. I am on firmware 1108 and turned cinema black all the way to high. There were no dancing white squares.

I tried out cinema black on medium while watching an entire letter box blu ray yesterday after I updating to 1108 FW and no dancing white boxes! I will try it on high tonight.
post #1769 of 4992
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Originally Posted by CNOLA85 View Post

I have tried different HDMI cables as well and still looks grainy.
What happens if you run a BluRay player into the same HDMI port on the TV? What happens if you switch the cablebox to a different HDMI port on the TV? Also, are you using new HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 cables?
post #1770 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I'm at 1107 and may update to 1108.

My only concern is the noise/ macroblocking via DirecTV.

Good to hear about the greyscale and color.
I took a closer look at the gray scale and even in Standard Mode, it is so close to just PERFECT!!! I even tweaked my Contrast from 89 up to100 and did NOT clip white or get the usual pinkest white tinge I always had. This is really Unbelievable!!! Any setting in Contrast above 89 in Standard Mode/Standard Color Temp used to turn my upper gray's to bright white boxes in the Expert Pattern #1 to a pinkish hue(I think this creates what's called Red Push"). Without any other adjustment changes, I can now go as high in Contrast to 97 with ZERO pinkish tinge and even at 100, can hardly see it start to manifest. Movie Mode is soooooooooooooooooo Perfect as well!!! It's like Samsung gave us a really great out of the box starting point now! I do agree about that macroblocking thing. I also think my Blu-rays do tend to show a bit more digital artifacts on a few out of my personal collection but for most they are just fantastic over-all. If I had only one more wish, in a future firmware release, I would like to see the 1105 less noisy over-all picture with all of these latest improvements that we got with Ver 1108. I gave up on that eronous BS Mouse Pointer Msg I get when exiting the Browser when I use it. I thought by now it would go away since it wasn't present in the original release that came from the factory. Oh yeah my Cox STB Info button now is just like "previous channel" command. This happened around the Version 1105 upgrade. I really believe that software will never be 100% perfect for these TV's since there are so many tons of hardware combinations that are being used that are not manufactured by Samsung. I guess we should cut them some slack but not very much. It is really nice to see new improvements beyond just bug fixes!biggrin.gif
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