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post #211 of 4992
Good evening everyone I was wondering if anyone can tell me the menu default ADC scales?(I think that's what it's called) I have a horrible green tint even after a factory reset.
post #212 of 4992
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Originally Posted by Fahlin Cho View Post

Just picked up a 55" F7100 and I have to say going from 46" to 55" is huge! As far as my opinion on picture quality I can only compare it to my UN46B8500 and that just isn't 100% fair even though the F7100's picture quality is amazing. I am however experiencing flash lighting on the bottom corners of the set and I'm not sure if this is normal or not. If it weren't for that I'd be 100% happy with my purchase and not just 98% since I tend to stare at stuff like flash lighting until I can get over it.

Primarily I bought this set for gaming/movie watching and I'd like to give my two cents on the gaming aspect of this set. I know my B8500 has bad input lag so I just dealt with it and never seemed to have a problem playing any games except Uncharted 3. I always thought that it was just the games shooting mechanics that made the aiming so unresponsive. I fired Uncharted 3 up on the F7100 and noticed the aiming was still the same and not thinking anything of that I switched the TV to game mode and viola Uncharted 3 is now finally playable! It was really bad before, I'd let go of the analog stick and the aiming would still turn for a tiny bit and now it starts and stops when i press/release the analog stick. Now to fire up SFIV and see if I can finally hit all my combos.

Funny, the B8500 was my dream set a few years back. I had picked up the A850 and loved it.

Luckily the flashlighting does diminish over weeks to months of use - I had a ES7100 and was shocked by its gradual decrease.

Gaming is awesome on the F7100 - just be sure to readjust the backlight for Standard/Game Mode its brighter and shows flashlighting more.
post #213 of 4992
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I did spend some more time with Cinama Black and can say for sure I was not wrong in noticing a change but now I'm not sure if the function is actually working or not. The effect is really been turned down or off. Any selection Low, Med or High is hard to see any change at all. I think I did see some change but the light setting seems to very slowly change so it is hard to say if my eyes are fooling me into thinking somthing is happening or not. The function was alot more obvious with the setting selections in the previous 1102 version. The low setting most have been using seems to no longer apply for the best choice. Can sombody else take a look at this and see how their Cinema Black functions with the new ver 1103 installed.

Thanks again....I will stay with 1102 until I see more members' impressions.

I use Eco Sensor with backlight at 6 and this with Cinema Black: Low is ideal.
post #214 of 4992
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Originally Posted by Berat Blakaj View Post

Good evening everyone I was wondering if anyone can tell me the menu default ADC scales?(I think that's what it's called) I have a horrible green tint even after a factory reset.

No clue on the ADC scales....what is that?

Maybe its a bad set....the tint shouldn't be there.

Did you mean to double post?
post #215 of 4992
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Originally Posted by Berat Blakaj View Post

Good evening everyone I was wondering if anyone can tell me the menu default ADC scales?(I think that's what it's called) I have a horrible green tint even after a factory reset.

No clue on the ADC scales....what is that?

Maybe its a bad set....the tint shouldn't be there.

Did you mean to double post?

No hahaha my phone lost reception and it came back.

I was in the service menu and I think I missed clicked something that caused the green scales to go up and make the rest 0. Idk if anyone here has been in there to help out I may just go into the F8000 thread since there is some more chatter maybe someone will be able to give me the settings.
post #216 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Flashlighting is part of LCD/LED tech especially edge-lit.

The extra tension on the corners effect the liquid crystals' movement/closing.

Try lowering the backlight or use eco sensor.

The side strips are because of the ultra-thin bezel, it used to be worse on the D and ES series.

They are barely noticeable- only on brighter solid screens.

The shadow is known as banding- noticeable on solid color screens.

Its due to uneven light spreading from one side of the screen to the other- edge lighting.

Thanks for the explanations, good to know these are common issues.
I'm surprised the term "banding" is used for this, since it's usually used to describe problems with color gradients.

Are any of the issue variable depending on the particular UNXXF7100 unit? I'm wondering if I should attempt the trade-in lottery.
Particularly, on my unit the left side is easily noticeable in anything but very dark scenes (backlight at 12, so not super crazy).
post #217 of 4992
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Originally Posted by rurifan View Post

Thanks for the explanations, good to know these are common issues.
I'm surprised the term "banding" is used for this, since it's usually used to describe problems with color gradients.

Are any of the issue variable depending on the particular UNXXF7100 unit? I'm wondering if I should attempt the trade-in lottery.
Particularly, on my unit the left side is easily noticeable in anything but very dark scenes (backlight at 12, so not super crazy).

I had no idea what banding was until last summer when my Samsung back-lit A850 went bad and I bought a Samsung edge-lit D6900 with major vertical and horizontal banding.

I did know about the color banding- due to data processing.

The 60" and 65" models tend to have more banding as the plastic filters used to diffuse the light are larger.

The panel lottery is a losing game- I played it with the A850, D6900 and ES7100.

Things could get worse.....dead pixels, software glitches, worse flashlighting, worse banding etc.
post #218 of 4992
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Thanks again....I will stay with 1102 until I see more members' impressions.

I use Eco Sensor with backlight at 6 and this with Cinema Black: Low is ideal.
I was hoping for some myself but I did some further testing with a blu-ray in still mode and I can now say beyond a shadow of a doubt that Cinama Black is working on each level, low, med & high without the flickering effect with previous firmware. I also still think low is the best setting since I do see a very slight dimming of the picture when using high and and even a slighter amount in medium. For those with flashlighting, this will now be very useful in high with mabye going up one level in back light setting to offset the difference. Since my flashlighting is so minor now after a couple of weeks of use, low is really perfect without having to change the backlight setting at all.biggrin.gif
post #219 of 4992
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I was hoping for some myself but I did some further testing with a blu-ray in still mode and I can now say beyond a shadow of a doubt that Cinama Black is working on each level, low, med & high without the flickering effect with previous firmware. I also still think low is the best setting since I do see a very slight dimming of the picture when using high and and even a slighter amount in medium. For those with flashlighting, this will now be very useful in high with mabye going up one level in back light setting to offset the difference. Since my flashlighting is so minor now after a couple of weeks of use, low is really perfect without having to change the backlight setting at all.biggrin.gif

Good to hear...I'll make a decision later today.....
post #220 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Try Film Mode: Auto 2 its designed for tickers and video source TV.

I use Film Mode: Auto 1 because the tickers don't bother me and most of the material I watch is film source TV.

I also have DirecTV HD.

Auto Motion Plus set to Off or Clear may help.

Man, I wish I would have saw your post earlier. I was so upset, because my st60 had perfect motion, that i tried off, and clear, with the auto 1 setting, and juddering with tickers were bad, I didnt know that film mode set to auto 2 may help. I returned the panel even though it had no clouding, and no banding, because I thought it had bad motion handling. I was able to then get my st60 from best buy as an open box for 1290 instead of 1499 (60 inch), but then I watch Microsofts presentation yesterday, and the kinect, and your directv will go right thru the console, and my st60 has input lag. So I know that I will have regrets keeping my st60. Best Buy will probably kill me if I go back again, but Im having regrets now, as the picture wasnt as good as my st60, but it was pretty good, and the input lag is nearly half. I told my wife this morning, and I think she thinks I'm insane, as she cant understand how someone could put this much thought in a tv. I told her she should check out Avs forums sometime, she may not think i'm so weird:)
post #221 of 4992
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Man, I wish I would have saw your post earlier. I was so upset, because my st60 had perfect motion, that i tried off, and clear, with the auto 1 setting, and juddering with tickers were bad, I didnt know that film mode set to auto 2 may help. I returned the panel even though it had no clouding, and no banding, because I thought it had bad motion handling. I was able to then get my st60 from best buy as an open box for 1290 instead of 1499 (60 inch), but then I watch Microsofts presentation yesterday, and the kinect, and your directv will go right thru the console, and my st60 has input lag. So I know that I will have regrets keeping my st60. Best Buy will probably kill me if I go back again, but Im having regrets now, as the picture wasnt as good as my st60, but it was pretty good, and the input lag is nearly half. I told my wife this morning, and I think she thinks I'm insane, as she cant understand how someone could put this much thought in a tv. I told her she should check out Avs forums sometime, she may not think i'm so weird:)
I went through 10 TV's in the last 3 months and just ended up with the es7500 which I returned my ST60 for. We might be crazy but we need to be happy with our purchase so we can sleep at night.

So going back to the ST60 after the 7100 were you wowed again by the ST60 picture or not so much anymore? Do they look similar or is the difference night and day? I still question my decision even though I am pretty sure the LED is the better choice for me right now. Just curious if I were to try the ST60 again if I would feel the picture is so much better or not so much anymore.
post #222 of 4992
Eric, If I didnt game, I would stick with the st60. The black levels and color saturation are just unreal. And I have absolutely no image retention. My F7100 had pretty good contrast, and the picture looked pretty good. Couple things though. The st60 was a 60 inch for 1499, and my f7100 was a 55 inch, so right there was probably unfair to the 7100, cause you put it up, and notice how much smaller it looks. A fairer comparison would have been a 60 inch f7100, but the price is $500 more, and I would get a sharp panel frown.gif. The second thing was as I mentioned, my motion was skipping and studdering. Pirate mentioned above that Auto 2 was the setting I should have been using instead of Auto 1. Whats even crazier is that I took my st60 back on sunday at noon, and i tried the sammy sunday night, and freaked out, so I went to best buy first thing mon morning, and they still had my st60, but then they sold it to me at open box price of 1280. I told them I would rather pay full price, but they said they couldnt, so I bought a 2 year warranty instead. But here i am 2 days later, I thought I would be perfectly content gaming on my 32 inch lg in my office, (which, anyone looking for an amazing gaming tv, its new, its a lg ln5300. has crazy low input lag, and no blurring), but then I watch the Xbox one presentation yesterday, which is designed to sit in your living room, and tie everything together, and now I'm thinking, the st60 is going to be a problem, cause the input lag is too high to game on. In the end, I'm torn, because the st60 is a much better value for the money. But its not a good gaming tv. And with having 2 sons that also like to game, I think it may have to go back , again. I just worry that best buy might refuse my return.
post #223 of 4992
Does anyone else have an issue with their tv flickering a little? We have two issues that have seem to become more pronounced in the past few days:


1. Flickering of the brightness on the tv
2. The brightness dropping dramatically, to the point you can barely see anything on the tv. If I hit the "menu" button, it goes back to normal, but dims again shortly after. This seems random, I can't seem to figure out what triggers it doing this

On further inspectionn, the backlight dropping seems to be triggered by dark screens. So when I exit menus on my roku it happens, or when I'm watching something that has a black screen for a second it happens. Samsung support is useless on this...
Edited by sgkelly4 - 5/22/13 at 8:34am
post #224 of 4992
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Originally Posted by sgkelly4 View Post

Does anyone else have an issue with their tv flickering a little? We have two issues that have seem to become more pronounced in the past few days:


1. Flickering of the brightness on the tv
2. The brightness dropping dramatically, to the point you can barely see anything on the tv. If I hit the "menu" button, it goes back to normal, but dims again shortly after. This seems random, I can't seem to figure out what triggers it doing this

On further inspectionn, the backlight dropping seems to be triggered by dark screens. So when I exit menus on my roku it happens, or when I'm watching something that has a black screen for a second it happens. Samsung support is useless on this...

Yes, unless your have your TV set on Movie mode with the Eco sensor off you will get the brightness adjustments that make the screen far to dark. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, Movie mode really is the only useful mode to use on this TV as you get the brightness fluctuations on every other mode. The Eco sensor tries to help you save money on your electricity and every other mode besides movie mode will cause micro dimming to kick in which gives you the brightness fluctuations as well.
post #225 of 4992
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Eric, If I didnt game, I would stick with the st60. The black levels and color saturation are just unreal. And I have absolutely no image retention. My F7100 had pretty good contrast, and the picture looked pretty good. Couple things though. The st60 was a 60 inch for 1499, and my f7100 was a 55 inch, so right there was probably unfair to the 7100, cause you put it up, and notice how much smaller it looks. A fairer comparison would have been a 60 inch f7100, but the price is $500 more, and I would get a sharp panel frown.gif. The second thing was as I mentioned, my motion was skipping and studdering. Pirate mentioned above that Auto 2 was the setting I should have been using instead of Auto 1. Whats even crazier is that I took my st60 back on sunday at noon, and i tried the sammy sunday night, and freaked out, so I went to best buy first thing mon morning, and they still had my st60, but then they sold it to me at open box price of 1280. I told them I would rather pay full price, but they said they couldnt, so I bought a 2 year warranty instead. But here i am 2 days later, I thought I would be perfectly content gaming on my 32 inch lg in my office, (which, anyone looking for an amazing gaming tv, its new, its a lg ln5300. has crazy low input lag, and no blurring), but then I watch the Xbox one presentation yesterday, which is designed to sit in your living room, and tie everything together, and now I'm thinking, the st60 is going to be a problem, cause the input lag is too high to game on. In the end, I'm torn, because the st60 is a much better value for the money. But its not a good gaming tv. And with having 2 sons that also like to game, I think it may have to go back , again. I just worry that best buy might refuse my return.
I had a 60ST60 and now have a 60ES7500 so size is not an issue but can see how that can play a role. I had both TV's in my house at the same time and should have done a more complete comparison of the 2 in my home but when I plugged the ST60 in to compare the FOX Sports logo was still retained on my screen and I just said the heck with it the ST60 is going back!
post #226 of 4992
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Originally Posted by Fahlin Cho View Post

Yes, unless your have your TV set on Movie mode with the Eco sensor off you will get the brightness adjustments that make the screen far to dark. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, Movie mode really is the only useful mode to use on this TV as you get the brightness fluctuations on every other mode. The Eco sensor tries to help you save money on your electricity and every other mode besides movie mode will cause micro dimming to kick in which gives you the brightness fluctuations as well.

Is it supposed to do that even with all the eco stuff turned off, or is it just really buggy and hopefully a software update will fix it?
post #227 of 4992
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Originally Posted by sgkelly4 View Post

Is it supposed to do that even with all the eco stuff turned off, or is it just really buggy and hopefully a software update will fix it?
It has nothing to do with the eco stuff. The eco settings are used to control the backlight levels based on the rooms ambient light and not related to black screens.

Samsung's are known to dim the backlight on mostly black screens to help reduce clouding and flashlighting. I am not sure but it is possible this feature is turned off in Movie mode. I also know there was a post around that mentioned setting the backlight to a certain level might stop that from kicking in. Not sure if it was for the ES models or the F models though.
post #228 of 4992
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Man, I wish I would have saw your post earlier. I was so upset, because my st60 had perfect motion, that i tried off, and clear, with the auto 1 setting, and juddering with tickers were bad, I didnt know that film mode set to auto 2 may help. I returned the panel even though it had no clouding, and no banding, because I thought it had bad motion handling. I was able to then get my st60 from best buy as an open box for 1290 instead of 1499 (60 inch), but then I watch Microsofts presentation yesterday, and the kinect, and your directv will go right thru the console, and my st60 has input lag. So I know that I will have regrets keeping my st60. Best Buy will probably kill me if I go back again, but Im having regrets now, as the picture wasnt as good as my st60, but it was pretty good, and the input lag is nearly half. I told my wife this morning, and I think she thinks I'm insane, as she cant understand how someone could put this much thought in a tv. I told her she should check out Avs forums sometime, she may not think i'm so weird:)

With all the returns, repairs and exchanges I had- I hear you.

Honestly, I would get the F7100 back,-better to be stressed now in short term than later in the long term.
post #229 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

With all the returns, repairs and exchanges I had- I hear you.

Honestly, I would get the F7100 back,-better to be stressed now in short term than later in the long term.

I think your right, the picture quality is not as good as the st60, (although I never fully finished inputting the settings, I was freaked out of the stuttering) but its more versiatle, and in the end I will end up selling, and losing money on the st60 cause of the gaming issue. Can you definately confirm that the auto 2 plays sports smoothly, as well as sports tickers on the bottom of the screen. It was always down to this set, and the lg la7400, and which ever handled motion the best.
post #230 of 4992
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I updated to firmware 1103 today- everything looks right.

I'll wait for later to see if Cinema Black is darker...The black bars do look solid.

Honestly, I'm just glad none of my settings were changed.
post #231 of 4992
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Can you definately confirm that the auto 2 plays sports smoothly, as well as sports tickers on the bottom of the screen.

Yes, Definitely:

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=167212&modelname=&modelcode=&session_id=T2hV8LT7c1ybQ2JxyGRlsp0hLJK9TpnzxDYB5Bt2g6ywJ6YJJWDp!-53496666!1761676444!7501!-1!-593790486!1761676348!7501!-1!1321097749161

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#2:3_pulldown

"Film Mode → Off / Auto1 / Auto2
The TV can be set to automatically sense and process film signals from all sources and adjust the picture for optimum quality.
Film Mode is supported in TV, Video, Component (480i / 1080i) and HDMI (480i / 1080i).
Off: Turns the Film Mode function off.
Auto1: Automatically adjusts the picture for the best quality when watching a film.
Auto2: Automatically optimizes the video text on the screen (not including closed captions) when watching a film."

-from Samsung
post #232 of 4992
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Originally Posted by sgkelly4 View Post

Does anyone else have an issue with their tv flickering a little? We have two issues that have seem to become more pronounced in the past few days:


1. Flickering of the brightness on the tv
2. The brightness dropping dramatically, to the point you can barely see anything on the tv. If I hit the "menu" button, it goes back to normal, but dims again shortly after. This seems random, I can't seem to figure out what triggers it doing this

On further inspectionn, the backlight dropping seems to be triggered by dark screens. So when I exit menus on my roku it happens, or when I'm watching something that has a black screen for a second it happens. Samsung support is useless on this...

First, turn off the Eco Sensor. You should see the difference immediately. Second, turn off Motion Lighting. These two steps will get rid of the majority of the dimming. Beyond that, Micro Dimming is automatic, so it will still happen to a much lesser degree in certain conditions, such as when looking at a mostly black screen with only a few words. I notice however that if there are several words, such as movie credits rolling, it doesn't dim. I actually like the Micro Dimming (with Eco Sensor and Motion Lighting turned off) because It helps hide any flashlighting or clouding, and makes blacks blacker.

Regardless, I noticed that on my F6400, if you turn the Brightness up the Micro Dimming will stop, even in Standard mode. I'm not sure exactly what setting is the cut-off, but I found that when set to default Brightness of 45, if I go into Comcast's On Demand screen, which is all black except for the white words "Xfinity On Demand" in the center, you can see the words dim. When I turn Brightness up to 50, the white words no longer dim when you launch the On Demand screen. So at some point between 45-50, the most noticeable effect of Micro Dimming is turned off.

If I recall correctly, on last year's ES series, there were two ways to defeat the automatic "CE Dimming"; use Movie mode, or raise the brightness to a certain number past default 45. The same seems to be the case for the F series.
post #233 of 4992
I have a request for someone in this thread. Can someone go into the service menu(mute, 182, power) and go under ADC/WB and tell me what the settings are for ADC_Result and White Balance numbers mine have been reset.
post #234 of 4992
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Originally Posted by Berat Blakaj View Post

I have a request for someone in this thread. Can someone go into the service menu(mute, 182, power) and go under ADC/WB and tell me what the settings are for ADC_Result and White Balance numbers mine have been reset.
This is a hard request to accomidate since one wrong move in the service menu can really screw things up. There have been many posts that warn everyone to stay out. Even as bad as Samsung can void a warranty for going into that menu but that may not be true as well. I only went in once on my ES7100 to verify my panel type and when exiting, all settings got reset. I had a Samsung Tech look into one of my sets service menu during a scheduled repair and he did warn me that I would loose my settings. I can only assume that this happens normally when exiting the menu but I'm not 100% sure about that If this is true, you are asking for alot. I really like to help but I've spent to much time tweaking each input plus all the 3D duplication settings so I can't risk the loss .........Sorry but due to these potential issues, mabye this is why you are not getting a response so far. Good luck in getting this resolved. Mabye a tier 2 Samsung tech can help you out.
post #235 of 4992
Has anyone taken some pictures of the screen with the gray scale tests for banding? I would love to see the screens uniformity!
post #236 of 4992
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

This is a hard request to accomidate since one wrong move in the service menu can really screw things up. There have been many posts that warn everyone to stay out. Even as bad as Samsung can void a warranty for going into that menu but that may not be true as well. I only went in once on my ES7100 to verify my panel type and when exiting, all settings got reset. I had a Samsung Tech look into one of my sets service menu during a scheduled repair and he did warn me that I would loose my settings. I can only assume that this happens normally when exiting the menu but I'm not 100% sure about that If this is true, you are asking for alot. I really like to help but I've spent to much time tweaking each input plus all the 3D duplication settings so I can't risk the loss .........Sorry but due to these potential issues, mabye this is why you are not getting a response so far. Good luck in getting this resolved. Mabye a tier 2 Samsung tech can help you out.

Yeah I figured as much, I got home and actually figured it out. If you change the input to another one like PC or TV the settings show up and you just need to snap shot it with a phone and save them for the HDMI input. The settings get saved pre input in the service menu so . But now I've been thinking tonight as I was looking at the TV I think I may get the 55 F7500, this 46 seems to small.
post #237 of 4992
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

I think your right, the picture quality is not as good as the st60, (although I never fully finished inputting the settings, I was freaked out of the stuttering) but its more versiatle, and in the end I will end up selling, and losing money on the st60 cause of the gaming issue. Can you definately confirm that the auto 2 plays sports smoothly, as well as sports tickers on the bottom of the screen. It was always down to this set, and the lg la7400, and which ever handled motion the best.
So what did you end up doing???

I can tell you I have the es7500 and have not witnesses any stuttering on moving banners. My kid loves to watch Nascar races and the moving banner on top moves just as smooth as it did on my ST60. I set motion to clear but even with it off it runs fine. I have noticed some stuttering with motions in movies and sports when I was trying out some of the other settings but they are all pointless anyway since they add the SOE.

Clear is the way to go!
post #238 of 4992
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So what did you end up doing???

I can tell you I have the es7500 and have not witnesses any stuttering on moving banners. My kid loves to watch Nascar races and the moving banner on top moves just as smooth as it did on my ST60. I set motion to clear but even with it off it runs fine. I have noticed some stuttering with motions in movies and sports when I was trying out some of the other settings but they are all pointless anyway since they add the SOE.

Clear is the way to go!

Think I have convinced myself that I'm picking up the Sammy 7100 of lg la7400. Last night I sat and watched my 60 st60, and the picture is absolutely amazing. But as I mentioned, the input lag is almost twice of what the Sammy is. I'm glad to hear about the ticker thing, I tried clear, custom, etc, but I think the problem was I was using film mode 1, rather than film mode 2, or auto. I probably should have been more patient, but i was literally sick to my stomach, and made a b line to best buy the next morning hoping to get my st60 back. I did, and they sold it to me at 1280 for a 60 inch because it was then open box. I felt bad, so I bought a warranty . I have not had a trace of Ir on this tv. But as mentioned I watched Microsofts conference, how they want to control your living room, and it just hit home that as great as this tv is, its really not useable for gaming. I did play black ops, and went positive by a few kills, but my aim felt like I was under water, and felt like I was running slower. The thing I hated abot the samsung is you enter my room from the left of the tv, and the washout looks crazy from that angle, but its not like your watch tv from 90 degrees to the side. Now I need to put my pride aside and go into best buy again, which i'm not looking forward to, but in the long run, will be the better move. If you dont game, you may want to check out another st60, as its an awesome tv, I just think the panel you had was succeptibile to ir, where most are not. Anyway, should be doing something in the next day or so, and will post my results.
post #239 of 4992
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

I did play black ops, and went positive by a few kills, but my aim felt like I was under water, and felt like I was running slower. Now I need to put my pride aside and go into best buy again, which i'm not looking forward to, but in the long run, will be the better move.

+1, At "the end of the day" you should feel satisfied and be able to live with your purchase.

Film Mode: Off should also stabilize the ticker.
post #240 of 4992
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Think I have convinced myself that I'm picking up the Sammy 7100 of lg la7400. Last night I sat and watched my 60 st60, and the picture is absolutely amazing. But as I mentioned, the input lag is almost twice of what the Sammy is. I'm glad to hear about the ticker thing, I tried clear, custom, etc, but I think the problem was I was using film mode 1, rather than film mode 2, or auto. I probably should have been more patient, but i was literally sick to my stomach, and made a b line to best buy the next morning hoping to get my st60 back. I did, and they sold it to me at 1280 for a 60 inch because it was then open box. I felt bad, so I bought a warranty . I have not had a trace of Ir on this tv. But as mentioned I watched Microsofts conference, how they want to control your living room, and it just hit home that as great as this tv is, its really not useable for gaming. I did play black ops, and went positive by a few kills, but my aim felt like I was under water, and felt like I was running slower. The thing I hated abot the samsung is you enter my room from the left of the tv, and the washout looks crazy from that angle, but its not like your watch tv from 90 degrees to the side. Now I need to put my pride aside and go into best buy again, which i'm not looking forward to, but in the long run, will be the better move. If you dont game, you may want to check out another st60, as its an awesome tv, I just think the panel you had was succeptibile to ir, where most are not. Anyway, should be doing something in the next day or so, and will post my results.
Having a child that is almost 3 I feel like I would be better keeping an LED tv right now. Kids like to watch the same thing over and over and over and over again. Also, I am sure he will be playing games on the TV in not to long and keeping static video game images on a plasma just doesn't excite me. If it was a TV I was getting for my bedroom and wasn't a TV that could possible be on all day with the same banner or logo it might be a different story.

I agree that the ST60 had an amazing picture but I often say to myself that the es7500 has a pretty amazing picture as well. I got a really good deal on the 60es7500, paid just about what you paid for your open box ST60. If you want to stay with a 60" TV why not check out the LG 60lm7200 that BB carries? I believe it is on sale for $1,599 and will probably give you a similiar picture qaulity as the la7400. I do agree it is fustrating to see the picture wash out from the sides though......

Good luck in whichever one you choose...
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