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Originally Posted by XboxJuan View Post

Yea, I'm still waiting for the evolution kit to turn my 1994 Geo Metro into a Bugatti Veyron. The damn salesman said, with a simple tune up they could turn my 3 cylinder into a quad turbo W16. I don't know why, but I still believe him.

But seriously, you can play HD content on a 480i CRT TV. So you will be able to play 4K content on your 1080p TV. It will in no way be a 4K TV though, just like that 20 year old CRT isn't an HDTV just because it's playing an HD channel. The pixels aren't there. The extra 6 million pixels that are needed aren't lying dormant waiting for some evolution kit to awaken them. A 55" 4K TV costs nearly $4,000 more than a 55" F7100. Did you really think the "brain" as you call it, was the reason for the $4,000 price diff ? And somehow that "brain" was going to be $200-$400 in the near future ? 

I mean no disrespect, just trying to figure out the thought process behind this.

Broadly speaking you are of course correct. However, I think you need to recalibrate your understanding of current 55" 4K pricing wink.gif
post #2552 of 4995
Hey guys, looking for some calibration tips. I am hoping to use one of the pre-made picture settings as a sports live event tv picture mode. So I am looking for some really good settings to use for example: on a live NHL game. Any tips for some good picture settings for a fast paced game like hockey??
post #2553 of 4995
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

If you want to "disable" micro dimming in standard mode, maybe this would be relevant to you. This was something I found when I was looking for a solution. I've not tried this before so if you try this it is at your own risk.

link: http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-led-lcd-tvs/1700774-samsung-es-series-auto-dimming.html
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Originally Posted by Djsajmy
Is there a way to disable the auto dimming ?
It is going crazy on Standard mode. Or makes me go crazy

Don't like the Movie mode (there is no auto-dimming / no problems)
Here's a work around stolen from AVS forums which I posted recently on another thread

Courtesy of Eagle_2 from AVS forums

CE Dimming seems to work by auto-dimming the screen once a certain threshold is reached. It is enabled in all modes except movie/CAL modes, and cannot be disabled. Once the screen displays dark enough content, the CE-Dimming kicks in and auto-dims the screen further, presumably to help hide screen uniformity issues like clouding and flashlighting, and possibly give the illusion of deeper blacks. However, many people find this quite annoying, as this can be very jarring as the screen jumps up and down in brightness based on the brightness of the image. When the image is already dark (like a dark cave with little light, a night scene in the woods, or a space scene in a science-fiction film with only the stars to light the screen, for example), the screen suddenly dims even more, making an already dark scene even more difficult to see. Stars become so dim in space shots as to be difficult to see, and opening/closing titles are much dimmer than intended. This can also be observed easily by watching any dark scene with the Samsung menu up - you can easily see the menu auto-dim with the rest of the picture, and brighten up as the image gets brighter.

I don't take any credit for this, as the original post can be found here:
Tweak : Disabling AutoDimming for Samsung ESeries Smart TV, mine is ES6710

To disable CE-Dimming/Auto Dimming on the 2012 ESxxxx series sets:

Auto dimming works by dimming the screen when a certain low brightness level is reached. By raising the brightness enough, that can assure that the tv never reaches that low brightness level. Of course that means raising the tv brighter than you should, resulting in an overly-bright and washed-out image. You can compensate for that however by making a simple adjustment in the white balance menu. Basically, you're cranking up the brightness a bit at the beginning of the processing chain, where CE-Dimming is involved, and then compensating for the brightness later in the processing chain in the white balance, once CE-Dimming has looked at the image and decided not to auto-dim due to the extra brightness. It's just a simple trick, but it works really well.


- turn your brightness up to 53

- In your white balance menu, set the following:

R-Offset - 12
G-Offset - 12
B-Offset - 12

R-Gain - 25 (default)
G-Gain - 25 (default)
B-Gain - 25 (default)

Keep gamma on 0


That's it! CE-Dimming is now reduced to the point where it should not bother you. There is only the slightest hint of CE-Dimming remaining. And Micro-Dimming still appears to be working. This can be applied to Standard, Natural, and Vivid modes. CE-Dimming does not affect Movie/CAL modes like the other modes.


I have tried to tweak it a bit more hoping to completely eliminate the dimming altogether by dropping the Offsets another 4 points each, and adjusting the brightness accordingly using the AVS calibration disc. This results in the CE-Dimming appearing to be virtually eliminated. Just make sure all Offsets are dropped equally to avoid any unwanted color changes. Here is my workaround after dropping the Offsets down another 4 points each and using the AVS disc to adjust the brightness and contrast:

Brightness - 61

R-Offset - 8
G-Offset - 8
B-Offset - 8

R-Gain - 25 (default)
G-Gain - 25 (default)
B-Gain - 25 (default)

You may find you don't even need to drop it down further, and just keep the Offsets on 12 and brightness on 53.

Another nice benefit to doing this is it disables the screen turning off when the image displayed is all black.. The screen will still turn off however when switching sources. You can also still apply color adjustments to the white balance settings once you put in the workaround. For instance, I find my set has too much of a red push, so to compensate I reduce the R-Offset and R-Gain settings:

Brightness - 61

R-Offset - 3
G-Offset - 8
B-Offset - 8

R-Gain - 10
G-Gain - 25 (default)
B-Gain - 25 (default)

Until Samsung gives us the ability to disable CE-Dimming at our will (if ever), this should work nicely to accomplish the same thing without having any apparent negative effects.

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This setting modified by me and not pro calibrated accurate but pleasing to my eyes, eliminated the reduced viewing angle issue with buzzes settings and fixed the extreme microdimming with the Standard setting.
My theory, the brightness past 53 must fill the whole panel, vs buzzes brightness at 45 doesn't light up the whole panel causing viewing angle drop off.

Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 12
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 54
Sharp: 18
Color: 50
Tint (G/R): 50/50
Picture Size: 16:9
[3D]
3D Perspective: 0
Depth: 5
L/R Change: L/R Image
3D -> 2D: Off
3D Light Control: High
[Advanced Settings]
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
[Color Space] Auto
White Balance]
R-Offset 14, G-Offset 14, B-Offset 14, R-Gain 25, G-Gain 25, B-Gain 25
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
[Picture Options]
Color Tone: Standard
Dig Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Low
Film Mode: Auto 2
Auto Motion Plus: Clear
Cinema Black: Off
Apply Picture Source: Current Source
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[System]
[Eco Solution]
Energy Savings: Off
Eco Sensor: 8
Edited to fix black crush
Edited by teqzen - 9/28/13 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by teqzen View Post

This setting modified by me and not pro calibrated accurate but pleasing to my eyes, eliminated the reduced viewing angle issue with buzzes settings and fixed the extreme microdimming with the Standard setting.
My theory, the brightness past 53 must fill the whole panel, vs buzzes brightness at 45 doesn't light up the whole panel causing viewing angle drop off.

Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 12
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 53
Sharp: 18
Color: 50
Tint (G/R): 50/50
Picture Size: 16:9
[3D]
3D Perspective: 0
Depth: 5
L/R Change: L/R Image
3D -> 2D: Off
3D Light Control: High
[Advanced Settings]
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
[Color Space] Auto
White Balance]
R-Offset 13, G-Offset 13, B-Offset 13, R-Gain 14, G-Gain 25, B-Gain 25
Gamma: 0
Expert Pattern: Off
[Picture Options]
Color Tone: Standard
Dig Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Low
Film Mode: Auto 2
Auto Motion Plus: Clear
Cinema Black: Off
Apply Picture Source: Current Source
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[System]
[Eco Solution]
Energy Savings: Off
Eco Sensor: 8
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Teqzen, tried your new settings and I preferred your old settings in thread #1067. I'm sticking with it. Simply amazing PQ
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Originally Posted by low_ball_88 View Post

Teqzen, tried your new settings and I preferred your old settings in thread #1067. I'm sticking with it. Simply amazing PQ

lol
like i said the new settings fixes the extreme Micro Dimming and viewing angle issue for me, but if thats not issue for you use the old settings.
The settings I post are a good starting point they are not gospel so feel free to change and repost or comment.
I am just glad to help getting the best looking picture in standard mode smile.gif
Edited by teqzen - 9/28/13 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by RexHarrison View Post

Give it a week. Guaranteed you'll find at least one issue with the set. Then you'll make the " I really like this TV buuuutttt..." Post. At first you'll say the issue is something you can live with. Then, as your return deadline approaches, you'll return it.

Well, in the end, I hate to say this, but you were right. Sigh... I will share in more detail my experience later today, including pictures and videos, if possible. It's sad because this is otherwise a fantastic tv with really nice contrast and colors. I'm getting a refund for this, after which, I wonder what other options are available.
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

Well, in the end, I hate to say this, but you were right. Sigh... I will share in more detail my experience later today, including pictures and videos, if possible. It's sad because this is otherwise a fantastic tv with really nice contrast and colors. I'm getting a refund for this, after which, I wonder what other options are available.
Sorry to hear that. Rex is right I had the same experience with this TV.
Edited by XBRSteve - 9/29/13 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

Sorry to hear that. Rex is right I had the same experience with this TV.
Sorry you all had problems with your sets. I also had problems early on as others were having for a while but it appears thet Samsung has addressed them for the most part . I really don't see as much posting with TV issues as there were a while back. AND...... I have been enjoying my TV so much I really can't imagine how the over-all picture could get much better. It seems like others are also using their sets more and writing less as well. No the F-7100 is not the "Perfect" TV out there but I finally realized that there is NO perfect model out at this time at any price point. I am aware of a couple of Smart Hub software flaws that still exist on the F-7100 but as time goes by, they will most likly get addressed. I was just reading the Sony W-900 thread and several people are currently complaining about Light edge bleed. So even trhe supposed best TV 's for 2013 are having similar issues with some of their panels. I guess with this Tech, the TV's will vary in quality before ever being sold while others that made the grade get messed up during the shipping & delivery stages due to improper handeling. So to all of you that are un happy and continue to search for that perfect TV, Good luck with that one!!!! After 9 different Tv's over the last few years, I will state that the F-7100 does deliver a great picture. Motion is NOT perfect on some broadcast material but I blame the providers more than the TV designers since my blu-rays play so clean without any motion problems.
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I surfed this forum (and others) and read many reviews before I set my sights on the Samsung UN60F7100.

But in retrospect, I suspected that I had made up my mind quite quickly. I always liked the picture quality of samsung. The colors tend to be overly saturated, yes, but that could be calibrated to yield very nice results. Moreover, my first LCD TV was a Samsung. The LA40R81, which had fantastic PQ.

It had been 6 years since my last TV purchase and I wanted an upgrade. A 60 incher seemed like the natural progression (as I'm sure, any forummer here would attest to).

Cue in the UN60F7100. In terms of colors and contrast, the UN60F7100 did not disappoint and I was a happy owner of this brilliant piece of technology. I was somewhat realistic in my expectations, having read much about issues with clouding/light leak, flashlighting, what have you. This forum has a way of setting us up with the worst expectations! I was prepared to overlook some of these issues since, as was shared in my first post, the purpose of a TV to me is to watch real content, not so much color slides and test patterns. I was treated to images such as this:



A side issue; I wondered how Samsung could market this 60" version as as an ultra thin 5mm bezel when the bezel for this TV exceeds 1cm. Still, my main focus was 2D PQ, everything else, including the smart hub, etc was secondary.

I first started to notice issues with light leak when I watched movies at night. I have a very young kid, and like any new parent, the only time I could watch TV was in the wee hours. The viewing environment was not pitch dark because I kept a couple of down lights on as ambient lightning. This notwthstanding, light leaking became obvious, and pretty difficult to defeat even with adjustments to the backlighting. I share here, a few shots from my first unit showing the light leakage. Note that I had switched off all the lights when I took these. The image from the iphone 5 camera is somewhat exaggerated due to the low light environment but nonetheless, it is certainly visible.





I must emphasize that I did not deliberately go out of my way to look at black screens. It's just that once something like this catches your attention, inevitably you want to see if it is something which poses serious concern in terms of quality. This is how it looks like for end credits.


To the credit of Samsung, their technician who came down to "assess the fault" was quite ready to replace this with a new unit, notwithstanding his position that light leak was not something which could be totally eliminated for edge lit LED TVs.

[Note: I live in Singapore and our purchase return policies are certainly not as customer friendly as those in the United States. You might be amused to know that the 60F7100 here costs S$4,300, or about US$3,400).

Anyway I agreed with the technician in principle but disagreed on the extent to which a customer should be made to accept these 'flaws'. Samsung replaced a second set for me quickly. The second set had, to me, comparable light leak issues. In addition, I also observed a white mark/line on it, which was visible even in normal day time TV viewing. These images below show the light leaks on my 2nd set, and the white line which is near the left edge of the TV. Note that there is some exaggeration here because the camera compensated for the low ambient lighting. Edit: forgot to add, there was also noticeable dse on both sets which I neglected mentioning. This was spotted by my wife. You might be wondering why we notice such things. Truth is, our tv was on the Babytv quite a lot and the cartoon programmes tend to have simple pictures comprising large patches of uniform colors.






I brought this to the attention of Samsung again. Expectedly, the technician (same guy) came down again to review the set. This time though, he took the view that the light leak was within acceptable standards, and that the white line was normal. Nonetheless, he was prepared to order a replacement panel (not TV).

Samsung subsequenlty replaced the panel (not the entire unit). I confirm here that the 60UNF7100 panel which was ordered as a replacement was manufactured by SHARP. This was written clearly on the box label. When I first asked the technicians who attended to the replacement, they claimed that all panels were manufactured by Samsung but when I pointed them to the label, they conceded that I was right.

In any case, you would already have guessed the outcome. I did not take any photos but the light leak on this panel was the worst of the lot. It could be seen in broad daylight, quite clearly. They agreed to take it back on the spot.

Samsung, having considered my case, is prepared to refund me, but maintains that their panels are of good quality and that the light leaks are concomitant to their strong backlighting system. I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

This experience does not affect my perception that Samsung makes very good TVs. What was disappointing to me was the quality control in respect of parts from 3rd party vendors. Samsung might have been prepared to keep switching panels for me until I received a satisfactory one, but it was something I was not quite prepared to consider, given that each new one that came was worse than the last.

I might add that the customer service was still pretty good, and for all I know, should they resolve quality problems in the future, of if they are rid of such problems with OLED, I'm quite prepared to give their products a try again.

What is perhaps more troubling for me is the lack of better options. I certainly won't go for Sharp (their panels blow!) Sony doesnt manufacture 60 inchers, and their TVs lack color management features. LG also seems to be suffering from backlight issues. I merely wanted to find a TV of acceptable quality but it certainly feels to be out of reach at this juncture.
Edited by congster - 9/30/13 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

I surfed this forum (and others) and read many reviews before I set my sights on the Samsung UN60F7100.

But in retrospect, I suspected that I had made up my mind quite quickly. I always liked the picture quality of samsung. The colors tend to be overly saturated, yes, but that could be calibrated to yield very nice results. Moreover, my first LCD TV was a Samsung. The LA40R81, which had fantastic PQ.

It had been 6 years since my last TV purchase and I wanted an upgrade. A 60 incher seemed like the natural progression (as I'm sure, any forummer here would attest to).

Cue in the UN60F7100. In terms of colors and contrast, the UN60F7100 did not disappoint and I was a happy owner of this brilliant piece of technology. I was somewhat realistic in my expectations, having read much about issues with clouding/light leak, flashlighting, what have you. This forum has a way of setting us up with the worst expectations! I was prepared to overlook some of these issues since, as was shared in my first post, the purpose of a TV to me is to watch real content, not so much color slides and test patterns. I was treated to images such as this:



A side issue; I wondered how Samsung could market this 60" version as as an ultra thin 5mm bezel when the bezel for this TV exceeds 1cm. Still, my main focus was 2D PQ, everything else, including the smart hub, etc was secondary.

I first started to notice issues with light leak when I watched movies at night. I have a very young kid, and like any new parent, the only time I could watch TV was in the wee hours. The viewing environment was not pitch dark because I kept a couple of down lights on as ambient lightning. This notwthstanding, light leaking became obvious, and pretty difficult to defeat even with adjustments to the backlighting. I share here, a few shots from my first unit showing the light leakage. Note that I had switched off all the lights when I took these. The image from the iphone 5 camera is somewhat exaggerated due to the low light environment but nonetheless, it is certainly visible.





I must emphasize that I did not deliberately go out of my way to look at black screens. It's just that once something like this catches your attention, inevitably you want to see if it is something which poses serious concern in terms of quality. This is how it looks like for end credits.


To the credit of Samsung, their technican who came down to "assess the fault" was quite ready to replace this with a new unit, notwithstanding his position that light leak was not something which could be totally eliminated for edge lit LED TVs.

[Note: I live in Singapore and our purchase return policies are certainly not as customer friendly as those in the United States. You might be amused to know that the 60F7100 here costs S$4,300, or about US$3,400).

Anyway I agreed with the technican in principle but disagreed on the extent to which a customer should be made to accept these 'flaws'. Samsung replaced a second set for me quickly. The second set had, to me, comparable light leak issues. In addition, I also observed a white mark/line on it, which was visible even in normal day time TV viewing. These images below show the light leaks on my 2nd set, and the white line which is near the left edge of the TV. Note that there is some exaggeration here because the camera compensated for the low ambient lighting.






I brought this to the attention of Samsung again. Expectedly, the technican (same guy) came down again to review the set. This time though, he took the view that the light leak was within acceptable standards, and that the white line was normal. Nonetheless, he was prepared to order a replacement panel (not TV).

Samsung subsequenlty replaced the panel (not the entire unit). I confirm here that the 60UNF7100 panel which was ordered as a replacement was manufactured by SHARP. This was written clearly on the box label. When I first asked the technicans who attended to the replacement, they claimed that all panels were manufactured by Samsung but when I pointed them to the label, they conceded that I was right.

In any case, you would already have guessed the outcome. I did not take any photos but the light leak on this panel was the worst of the lot. It could be seen in broad daylight, quite clearly. They agreed to take it back on the spot.

Samsung, having considered my case, is prepared to refund me, but maintains that their panels are of good quality and that the light leaks are concomitant to their strong backlighting system. I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

This experience does not affect my perception that Samsung makes very good TVs. What was disappointing to me was the quality control in respect of parts from 3rd party vendors. Samsung might have been prepared to keep switching panels for me until I received a satisfactory one, but it was something I was not quite prepared to consider, given that each new one that came was worse than the last.

I might add that the customer service was still pretty good, and for all I know, should they resolve quality problems in the future, of if they are rid of such problems with OLED, I'm quite prepared to give their products a try again.

What is perhaps more troubling for me is the lack of better options. I certainly won't go for Sharp (their panels blow!) Sony doesnt manufacture 60 inchers, and their TVs lack color management features. LG also seems to be suffering from backlight issues. I merely wanted to find a TV of acceptable quality but it certainly feels to be out of reach at this juncture.
Well I totally agree that you have gotten very bad panels with each return or repair. I can't imagine why this is occuring since there are many panels out there that do not have the issues you seem to be plaged with. These TV's and part replacements are traveling over seas to make out to your part of the world and it appears that quality looks very poor but as I stated above in my last post, I believe it is a handeling or mabye even a packaging issue that seems to degrade/damage your product before it makes it thru your door at home. Regardless, no excuses are acceptable for spending this kind of money on a very BAD looking picture. I would not give up and having enough paitents for further attempted repairs may finally get you a TV that you will be happy with as long as Samsung is cooperating. There are alot of very happy owners using the Sharp provided Panel in their 60" TV's without the issues you have had so not all Sharp made panels "blow". This is also true for Samsung panels as well. Some are really good while some do have uniformity and light leak as well as banding issues. Good luck with getting the TV you wil be happy with. It does seem that this is not very easy to accomplish for some of us.eek.gif
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It was not without cost to me. I had to take leave each time they visited. It was taking its toll.
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

It was not without cost to me. I had to take leave each time they visited. It was taking its toll.

Yikes, the clouding is terrible on the sets you had. You definitely made the right decision.

I had a similar experience and ended up returning my 75 inch F7100 due to clouding issues. Have you considered the F8000? I ended up replacing my F7100 with a F8000 and it's been flawless. In any event, good luck with your next purchase.
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Well I totally agree that you have gotten very bad panels with each return or repair. I can't imagine why this is occuring since there are many panels out there that do not have the issues you seem to be plaged with. These TV's and part replacements are traveling over seas to make out to your part of the world and it appears that quality looks very poor but as I stated above in my last post, I believe it is a handeling or mabye even a packaging issue that seems to degrade/damage your product before it makes it thru your door at home. Regardless, no excuses are acceptable for spending this kind of money on a very BAD looking picture. I would not give up and having enough paitents for further attempted repairs may finally get you a TV that you will be happy with as long as Samsung is cooperating. There are alot of very happy owners using the Sharp provided Panel in their 60" TV's without the issues you have had so not all Sharp made panels "blow". This is also true for Samsung panels as well. Some are really good while some do have uniformity and light leak as well as banding issues. Good luck with getting the TV you wil be happy with. It does seem that this is not very easy to accomplish for some of us.eek.gif

I had clouding issues with the two 7100's I had but not as bad as yours. I could live with it during the day but when it was a dark room it bothered me the most. Just to compare here are some screenshots of my 60" Sharp Elite I tried to get the room as dark as possible but it is 2:00 in the afternoon here, there is 0 coulding. I didn't look at the F8000 perhaps I should have but the Elite I purchased for the same price as the 60" F8000 at BB. I considered the F8500 and I probably would have purchased it if the lag wasn't so bad. I like to play games every now and then.







It is on in this shot.

Edited by XBRSteve - 9/30/13 at 4:53pm
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

I also had problems early on as others were having for a while but it appears thet Samsung has addressed them for the most part . I really don't see as much posting with TV issues as there were a while back. AND...... I have been enjoying my TV so much I really can't imagine how the over-all picture could get much better. It seems like others are also using their sets more and writing less as well. No the F7100 is not the "Perfect" TV out there but I finally realized that there is NO perfect model out at this time at any price point F7100 does deliver a great picture.

+1, Less typing- more watching.....wink.gif
post #2566 of 4995
Have had the un46f7100 for about 2 months now and overall have been happy. Starting yesterday though, I've had extremely bad judder where the screen picture seems to shutter. I've tried shutting off automotion plus and it still is there.

I'm on direcTV if that makes a difference.

Any ideas? Could this be a firmware thing ? I didn't notice this with firmware 1103 too much.

Any settings I can toggle?

Thanks in advance for any help!
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[IMG][IMG][IMG][IMG][IMG][IMG] Here is my un60f7100 bought in June 2013 and it's been mint. I have had no major problems and it's the "sharp panel"...
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My UN60f7100 above has no major problems... Those pics are with the bright settings cranked.. It's almost perfect.. I'm happy with mine the picture has been amazing.. I guess I got lucky
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I couldn't ask for a better picture!
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mine is a 60" and is a perfect panel! No issus what's so ever!
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. Another shot
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. Ok last one!
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Originally Posted by XBRSteve View Post

I had clouding issues with the two 7100's I had but not as bad as yours. I could live with it during the day but when it was a dark room it bothered me the most. Just to compare here are some screenshots of my 60" Sharp Elite I tried to get the room as dark as possible but it is 2:00 in the afternoon here, there is 0 coulding. I didn't look at the F8000 perhaps I should have but the Elite I purchased for the same price as the 60" F8000 at BB. I considered the F8500 and I probably would have purchased it if the lag wasn't so bad. I like to play games every now and then.







It is on in this shot.

That's a really nice panel you have there.
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You're one of the lucky ones.
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