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Casual167 the pq on mine is great
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Originally Posted by casual167 View Post

I was actually considering getting the F7100 because of issues I'm having with my current tv which is the Vizio M501. Figured I would come over here and get some reviews on how it is because the problems I'm having with my DirecTV is the picture is grainy on all channels except for maybe ESPN and motion blur which I can't seem to fix. Interesting that I come here and see someone with the same kind of problems with a different tv so maybe DirecTV is actually the issue. All that aside though, what's everyone's opinion on the quality of this tv meaning PQ and issues that they have?
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Originally Posted by matrix123 View Post

AMP to clear and film mode to auto 2 made my judder on comcast Disappear.

Agree with this setting. I have Comcast, and this is by far the best setting for minimal to no judder
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What about the grainy screen though? Is that something that is happening on this model also while watching regular tv channels ? My concern is that most of my viewing is watching DirecTV channels as oppose to like blu ray or sources of the like.
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Clouding. Scene from fright night 2:

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Pirates cove... Do you still have power cycling. I am on fw1111 and still it happens
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Pirates cove... Do you still have power cycling. I am on fw1111 and still it happens

Not Pirates cove but- If you are having any strange anomyties (power cycles), I would do a reset (especialy after an update). You may want to update to #1113 first though. It may solve problems you haven't encountered yet (such as in the smart hub). There is two places that reset (different degrees). The first is under the picture menu (scroll down to the bottom of page). The second (witch is the one you want) is in the support menu, then self diagnosis, then reset. But the second will reset you calibration settings ( color, brightness, etc...). So write them down first if you decide to reset. Hope this helps.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by casual167 View Post

What about the grainy screen though? Is that something that is happening on this model also while watching regular tv channels ? My concern is that most of my viewing is watching DirecTV channels as oppose to like blu ray or sources of the like.
post #2649 of 4973
I have Uverse and I watch mainly HD channels and my channels aren't grainy at all unless like let's says channel 3 which is known for the grainy effect because its just a horrible channel IMO but for the most part all of my channels r pretty clear
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It seems to me that the 1113 update has made the picture quality a lot better and the judder has been resolved for the most part or maybe its just a placebo effect Idk Lol anyone else feel this way
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Originally Posted by casual167 View Post

I was actually considering getting the F7100 because of issues I'm having with my current tv which is the Vizio M501. Figured I would come over here and get some reviews on how it is because the problems I'm having with my DirecTV is the picture is grainy on all channels except for maybe ESPN and motion blur which I can't seem to fix. Interesting that I come here and see someone with the same kind of problems with a different tv so maybe DirecTV is actually the issue. All that aside though, what's everyone's opinion on the quality of this tv meaning PQ and issues that they have?

Hi Casual,

I'm not too familiar with DirecTV, but is your picture grainy on SD and HD channels? A difference there can help you determine where the problem lies, as can Blue ray performance.

I have a 65" F7100, and we are very happy with it. I shopped the Vizio M series as well, and they were nice, but my wife and I preferred the Samsung picture. Our tv's SD performance is good, HD very good, and Blue rays look great. We have Time Warner cable. We do have minor flashlighting in the corners, which I believe is common on large edge-lit sets, but it is only visible between signals and not when viewing source material. In other words, I know it's there but it doesn't affect anything. Hope this helps.

David
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Just got my UN65F7100 yesterday and hung it up on the wall. She's a beauty no doubt and has a great picture. Haven't fiddled with it too much yet; kept everything at standard. The kids enjoyed watching the Croods in 3d. Pretty nice TV I must say. I'm coming from a Samsung "Touch of Color" LN52A750, which was no slouch either, but boy, this 7100 is killer.

I have noticed on all black screens the littlest bit of flashlighting in the corners. (not enough to send it back) and was curious if the optical out sends out a surround signal of any kind. Not for pass through from HDMI necessarily, but for the TV's own apps?

Also having to go through a rigga-ma-roll to get my Onkyo TX-SR608's firmware updated. The HDMI handshaking process between it and the TV is not playing friendly and apparently the only way to update the firmware on this particular receiver is by burning a CD in Windows XP and playing back an audio file to the receiver's SPDIF port. What kind of sorcery is this!?!?!?!

I can see there are many calibration settings in here. Any consensus on the best ones?

Any thoughts are helpful.

Regards,

Lancer VI
Edited by LancerVI - 10/5/13 at 7:28am
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I too have the same trouble.  Every once in a while I turn on my Samsung un60f7100 and the screen boots up and then clicks to a very dim (almost black) screen and flickers.  If I change the channel it goes away for a few seconds and then returns.  If I switch the input away from HDMI and back again it seem to clear it up.  I returned my first television because of this same problem.  Thought it was fixed and just started happening again on the new tv.

 

Has anyone found any information about this?

 

I also have a Sony DRN1000 receiver and a DirectTV HD DVR all connected with HDMI.

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Originally Posted by rustydrum View Post

I too have the same trouble. Every once in a while I turn on my Samsung un60f7100 and the screen boots up and then clicks to a very dim (almost black) screen and flickers. If I change the channel it goes away for a few seconds and then returns. If I switch the input away from HDMI and back again it seem to clear it up. I returned my first television because of this same problem. Thought it was fixed and just started happening again on the new tv.

Has anyone found any information about this?

I also have a Sony DRN1000 receiver and a DirectTV HD DVR all connected with HDMI.

The quote below fixed my issue. Thanx be to anthonymoody +1 rep!! Also, that auto dimming is in the ECO settings I believe. I turned all that "save the world" crap off. Yes, I'm one of those guys! I won't litter and I will recycle, but I'm not going to have my tv flicker at me based on ambient light levels. (read. every time the kids turn the kitchen light on. which is every 2 minutes)

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Originally Posted by anthonymoody View Post

Sorry to post in multiple Samsung F threads but I need help. 75F6400 owner here, very frustrated by the firmware update to 1105. Hoping someone here can help as the sets share firmware and most menus. Everything was working great on 1104 but on 1105 I keep getting an annoying pop up message. This is the message I get:

Check the device is connected properly, then try turning on the device by selecting the button below.

(Then there is a big STB button I can select with the Samsung remote - and it would turn my cable box on or off - or an OK button to clear the screen). After some time (30 sec?) it disappears.

It seems to happen whenever I change sources such that there is a break in the hdmi chain or within a source eg PS3 that breaks the hdmi handshake when you do things like go into Netflix. It's like the Samsung doesn't see anything through the HDMI connection and prompts you to turn something (like the stb) on. Then, it eventually realizes there is in fact a signal and the message goes away.

To be clear, firmware 1104 did NOT behave this way. I have 3 sources (cable, PS3, ATV) all connected via hdmi to my late model Onkyo receiver, which goes to the Samsung via HDMI into HDMI 1.

Help please. Thanks.

EDIT: Think I figured it out. I went into the Universal Remote set up and for some reason my cable box was there. I deleted it, so now basically the TV thinks there is nothing connected to it, and so it's no longer hunting for an hdmi signal. Everything now works as it should, no more annoying pop ups.
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

Clouding. Scene from fright night 2:

What's your backlight set to?
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Originally Posted by david3772 View Post

Hi Casual,

I'm not too familiar with DirecTV, but is your picture grainy on SD and HD channels? A difference there can help you determine where the problem lies, as can Blue ray performance.

I have a 65" F7100, and we are very happy with it. I shopped the Vizio M series as well, and they were nice, but my wife and I preferred the Samsung picture. Our tv's SD performance is good, HD very good, and Blue rays look great. We have Time Warner cable. We do have minor flashlighting in the corners, which I believe is common on large edge-lit sets, but it is only visible between signals and not when viewing source material. In other words, I know it's there but it doesn't affect anything. Hope this helps.

David

Well I have the DirecTV HD box so all channels are HD and it's still grainy. I was just curious to see if it's DirecTV issue or my tv. Still trying to decide if I should exchange the Vizio and get the F7100 but this whole "panel lottery" thing I keep reading about on here is making me think if I want to run the risk of getting a set with problems
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Originally Posted by casual167 View Post

Well I have the DirecTV HD box so all channels are HD and it's still grainy. I was just curious to see if it's DirecTV issue or my tv. Still trying to decide if I should exchange the Vizio and get the F7100 but this whole "panel lottery" thing I keep reading about on here is making me think if I want to run the risk of getting a set with problems

I understand your reluctance, but I want to remind you that many of the people who post on these forums are pretty demanding of their electronics - far more so than most people. And there is a negative bias in the forums in that people who enjoy their sets (whatever brand) tend not to post, unhappy people or people with issues post often. It's the nature of the beast.

It sounds like you are unhappy with the Vizio. If it's going back, are you considering trying another Vizio? You may want to go to a store and play with both televisions for a while to see what you think. The content in the stores is usually lame, and the lighting worse, but it might help.

David
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Originally Posted by LancerVI View Post

Just got my UN65F7100 yesterday and hung it up on the wall. She's a beauty no doubt and has a great picture. Haven't fiddled with it too much yet; kept everything at standard. The kids enjoyed watching the Croods in 3d. Pretty nice TV I must say. I'm coming from a Samsung "Touch of Color" LN52A750, which was no slouch either, but boy, this 7100 is killer.

I can see there are many calibration settings in here. Any consensus on the best ones?

Any thoughts are helpful.

Regards,

Lancer VI

I had the Samsung A850...another great set before the F7100.

My settings:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470900/official-samsung-unxxf7100-owners-thread/2190#post_23658417

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Originally Posted by LancerVI View Post

Just got my UN65F7100 yesterday ... was curious if the optical out sends out a surround signal of any kind. Not for pass through from HDMI necessarily, but for the TV's own apps?....

Regards,

Lancer VI
We have discussed your question regarding surround sound a number of times on this thread. I haven't used optical out from the TV, but there is no doubt that the HDMI ARC sends Dolby Digital 2.1 or 5.1 back to the receiver, but only if the program is so encoded. For example, The King's Speech on Netflix Super HD clearly has superb 5.1 sound from the Smart Hub app. I would expect the optical out would do the same thing.
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I have a question about the severity of vertical banding from those that own the 46" or 55" F7100.

I recently purchase a UN46F7100 from Best Buy, and I've been noticing quite a bit of what appears to be vertical banding, mostly in solid dark grey screens (the Hulu app's background is particularly bad), or in any movie/game during pans in darker scenes. I took an image with a slightly textured dark grey fullscreen image on the TV via my PC in PC Mode (Standard mode, Backlight: 7, Contrast: 95, Brightness: 45, Sharpness: 50, Gamma: -1). Devoid the camera bringing out a brighter shade of grey than in person, the banding pattern/severity is virtually the same.



Funny thing is, the brighter the screen, the less it appears. That is, if you put a full white screen, or a solid primary red, green or blue screen, it's barely visible, even during pans. It seems to only be a problem in the darker greys. This makes me wonder if this is the same thing as vertical banding, or is it more akin to an uneven backlight?

What I do want to know, is how does this compare to a "good" version of this set? Is it worse than it should be, or is it simply a limitation of edge-lit technology? If anyone is brave enough, I have the original 1920 x 1080 image I used to test the banding below. I'd be interested to know how the uniformity of your sets would compare in displaying the same image.



My last primary TV (which I still have) was a back-lit Vizio XVT423SV with local dimming, and yes, while it had some blooming, overall black levels were quite a bit better than this set, and it passed my banding tests with flying colors.

However, I would like to stick with the F7100, as I mostly use it for PC gaming, and it's much lower lag (as opposed to the XVT's 70ms+), larger size and borderless design is a plus. And other than the banding, my F7100 has no dead pixels, no visible clouding, and very little flashlighting.

If this "banding" issue is within the norm, fine. If not, I think I'll contact Samsung for a possible replacement.
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Originally Posted by congster View Post

Clouding. Scene from fright night 2:


Typically I use 6~10. This was probably an 8.
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So I went for the exchange of my Vizio M50 for the 55' F7100. Setting up things now on the tv so I have a couple of questions:

How can I tell what firmware I currently have?

What are the best settings for TV shows and 3D?

How do I set the 3D settings because it gives me the options of side by side and top and bottom options or whatever?

Are there any 3D streaming apps to rent movies? The vizio had 3DGO app which I could rent movies on but I don't see that here.

I appreciate any help you can provide for me
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So I went for the exchange of my Vizio M50 for the 55' F7100. Setting up things now on the tv so I have a couple of questions:

How can I tell what firmware I currently have?

What are the best settings for TV shows and 3D?

To see firmware- go to menu, down to support, over (right) to software update, and it will show to the right in the transparency. The latest is 1113.

For settings, it is best to do your own. There are 3 or 4 companies (samsung, sharp, etc..) making these panels and they like different settings. If you go back through this thread you will see drasticaly different settings due to this and wonder how they could be so different (at least I did). If you find someone with the same panel version (mine is HH01 made by sharp), you may be able to use those settings as a starting point.
These panels come out of the box with very good color and white balance (again at least mine did), so I didn't have to mess with that much. If I wanted better I would have went with a pro cal. These TV's are capable of very good detail, so don't be afraid to try high sharpness settings. Watch different channels and programs for a few days and see what works for you. Mine is currently at 83. Turn your contrast up till you loose detail in whites and turn it back if needed. Mine is currently at 100. Try tweeking backlight and brightness to satify your room brightness and how much you want to burn you retina's. (I have brightness at 50 and backlight at 8 for a dim room)This will efect your black level and detail in dark scenes. Try scrolling through Blacktone setting while watching something that shouls show black detail and see what you like. Mine is currently set to darkest and my black white contrast is very impressive. Something else that may help some channels is if you can turn off 720P if you have a cable box and see if it looks better sending 1080I to the TV. There is much more so you may start by trying a few peoples settings and tweek them to your liking. Hope this helps.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by camcam123 View Post

Pirates cove... Do you still have power cycling. I am on fw1111 and still it happens
Also not PiratesCove but I did also have power cycling issues that did not get fixed during firmware updates. It took a new Main Board and since then I have had ZERO power cycling issues. I had had a few Smart Hub crasshes which did power down the TV since the repairs but when that happened, the TV did not turn back On by it's self.
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Due to some Smart Hub problems that seemed to intermintantly occur, I went ahead and did the Firmware update to Ver 1113. I know that Ver 1111 had a really great picture but after reading all of the positive comments including a better Smart Hub performance along with NO bad comments, I figured Iwould go ahead with the firmware update. After the update and without a Factory Reset, the Smart Hub crashed big time on the first use. It caused me to go into the Smart Hub set-up from scratch on it's own and after resetting it up, all seems OK. Now for the good news. The picture is totally GREAT! as reported!!! It has the same over-all quality image with the slightly less noise/artifacts that 1111 provided but has also gained it's crispness back that got slightly softer with Ver 1111. Standard Mode has slightly changed which required my contrast setting to be lowered from 97 to 95 to avoid any pinkish tint in it's Gray Scale performance (Standard Color Temp settings) but Movie Mode remained unchanged. 3D looked good but I did notice some ghosting when viewing 2-3D mode cable TV but only on some material. I haden't noticed this before but honestly, I haden't looked at this mode (2-3D) for quite some time now. I really don't think this is going to be a issue since regular 3D viewing was as good as it always had been. Anyways, so far I've got NO regrets doing the update and have gained a slight improvement in picture crispness which I really am happy about. Mabye this is the update to stay with (I know I've said that before).biggrin.gif
Edited by mgh26 - 10/6/13 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by GPtimes2 View Post



To see firmware- go to menu, down to support, over (right) to software update, and it will show to the right in the transparency. The latest is 1113.

For settings, it is best to do your own. There are 3 or 4 companies (samsung, sharp, etc..) making these panels and they like different settings. If you go back through this thread you will see drasticaly different settings due to this and wonder how they could be so different (at least I did). If you find someone with the same panel version (mine is HH01 made by sharp), you may be able to use those settings as a starting point.
These panels come out of the box with very good color and white balance (again at least mine did), so I didn't have to mess with that much. If I wanted better I would have went with a pro cal. These TV's are capable of very good detail, so don't be afraid to try high sharpness settings. Watch different channels and programs for a few days and see what works for you. Mine is currently at 83. Turn your contrast up till you loose detail in whites and turn it back if needed. Mine is currently at 100. Try tweeking backlight and brightness to satify your room brightness and how much you want to burn you retina's. (I have brightness at 50 and backlight at 8 for a dim room)This will efect your black level and detail in dark scenes. Try scrolling through Blacktone setting while watching something that shouls show black detail and see what you like. Mine is currently set to darkest and my black white contrast is very impressive. Something else that may help some channels is if you can turn off 720P if you have a cable box and see if it looks better sending 1080I to the TV. There is much more so you may start by trying a few peoples settings and tweek them to your liking. Hope this helps.smile.gif

Thanks for your input. My panel is the TD01 so maybe I'll try and find settings for that. Is there a particular picture mode that works good for watching sports? I currently have it in Movie mode and watching football I notice the ghosting effect on the players. Not sure if there's a setting that can adjust that
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by camcam123 View Post

Pirates cove... Do you still have power cycling. I am on fw1111 and still it happens

Not really..it seems that attempting a few Smart Hub functions not connected to the 'net or loading issues have "confused" the system and a single cycle.

No cycles under "normal" viewing conditions with fw. 1111.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jorimt View Post

I have a question about the severity of vertical banding from those that own the 46" or 55" F7100.

Devoid the camera bringing out a brighter shade of grey than in person, the banding pattern/severity is virtually the same.

Funny thing is, the brighter the screen, the less it appears. That is, if you put a full white screen, or a solid primary red, green or blue screen, it's barely visible, even during pans. It seems to only be a problem in the darker greys. This makes me wonder if this is the same thing as vertical banding, or is it more akin to an uneven backlight?

However, I would like to stick with the F7100, as I mostly use it for PC gaming, and it's much lower lag (as opposed to the XVT's 70ms+), larger size and borderless design is a plus. And other than the banding, my F7100 has no dead pixels, no visible clouding, and very little flashlighting.

If this "banding" issue is within the norm, fine. If not, I think I'll contact Samsung for a possible replacement.

It may be within the "norm".

No edge-lit set is 100% banding free- certain dimmer screens with one full color with show some degree of it.

This video should explain what's going on internally (its an older D series model) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uar1HI8KgGk Start at 10:00

The layers are like a lake's surface- its never fully flat. The bands are the curves due to light diffusion.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Due to some Smart Hub problems that seemed to intermintantly occur, I went ahead and did the Firmware update to Ver 1113. I know that Ver 1111 had a really great picture but after reading all of the positive comments including a better Smart Hub performance along with NO bad comments, I figured Iwould go ahead with the firmware update. After the update and without a Factory Reset, the Smart Hub crashed big time on the first use. It caused me to go into the Smart Hub set-up from scratch on it's own and after resetting it up, all seems OK. Now for the good news. The picture is totally GREAT! as reported!!! It has the same over-all quality image with the slightly less noise/artifacts that 1111 provided but has also gained it's crispness back that got slightly softer with Ver 1111. Standard Mode has slightly changed which required my contrast setting to be lowered from 97 to 95 to avoid any pinkish tint in it's Gray Scale performance (Standard Color Temp settings) but Movie Mode remained unchanged. 3D looked good but I did notice some ghosting when viewing 2-3D mode cable TV but only on some material. I haden't noticed this before but honestly, I haden't looked at this mode (2-3D) for quite some time now. I really don't think this is going to be a issue since regular 3D viewing was as good as it always had been. Anyways, so far I've got NO regrets doing the update and have gained a slight improvement in picture crispness which I really am happy about. Mabye this is the update to stay with (I know I've said that before).biggrin.gif

Thanks for the detailed report....

I may update to reduce the noise...even though fw. 1111 was great at reducing also.

I finally started using the Smart Hub so.....this may be the way to go.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I had the Samsung A850...another great set before the F7100.

My settings:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470900/official-samsung-unxxf7100-owners-thread/2190#post_23658417

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Hi PiratesCove, not sure what size tv you have but would these settings work for the 55'? I just picked it up yesterday and looking to find the best settings to use
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