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Look forward to hearing your measurements...thx again!

Sent you a pm with measurements:)
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The 60" panels aren't as good as the others?

Some say some of the 60" panels that are made by sharp(outsourced) aren't as good as the ones made by samsung. But if you read back you may find that the sharps may have worse side angle viewing, while the samsung have worse banding and flashlighting. I have the 60" HH01 (sharp) and it has a stunning picture once it is adjusted. So do the Samsung panels. The flashlighting generaly doesn't show up during content veiwing, but the banding does at times. Most would be happy with either.
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Originally Posted by Sketchkid79 
The 60" panels aren't as good as the others?

I think there's a common perception that because the 60" panel in the F7100 is made by Sharp, it's not as good.

I have the 60" and I think it's a fine display. At the end of the day, the display has to meet Samsung's quality standards. This is my second larger screen Samsung purchase, and even back in 2010 when I bought a 46", there were concerns about which panel would be in the TV. Depending on the size you purchase, there's a chance you can get one or two or three different panels that are placed in that particular model.

If a 60 fits your size and budget requirements, I'd go for it.
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Originally Posted by Sketchkid79 View Post

Hi Everyone,

First post - just skimming through this thread I've learned a lot already smile.gif  I walked away empty handed from BestBuy today because I was disappointed how the 60" looked.  The silver frame/bezel just didn't look anything like the photos I've seen of the series. (I thought they all had the 8000's stye) 

I'm leaning towards a 65" now....  Just a few questions:

Even though I'm not crazy about the silver, it's smaller on the 65"?

The 60" panels aren't as good as the others?

Any info would be appreciated, thanks!
First: Welcome to AVS Forum and congratulations on your first post! There is nothing wrong with the 60 inch panels made by Sharp. I have one. The picture quality keeps getting better and better with each update. Remember that Sharp was one of the pioneers of HDTV with their "Ultravision" sets.
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Thanks for the replies!  I've had the Samsung 4661F for six years now, and I've been very happy with it...just itching for a step up in size and 3D.  I'm used to the faded blacks in the corners (noticed during movies)...was hoping LCD/LED technology would've improved over the years, but I'm ok with it.  

 

The 65" is a bit more money and size than I intended, but I'll probably move within a few years, and I intend to have it for a long time.(as I do with all my big purchases)  Amazon's reward / 14 day price guarantee helps too, chances are good it might drop later in the month..

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I think many people would be suprized how many manufacturers use parts from other company's when they produce a product.the TV that replaced my current Samsung was a sumsung 6187s the DLP chip was made by Mitsubishi.i have a onkyo 606 avr the HDMI board is blown out the Diods that blew out are made by Mitsubishi.Samsung products are made to Samsung spec that's what matters
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can anybody explain to me what film mode is and the purpose of it?

what exactly is film mode and what is film based and what is video based content?

Film - Auto 1 [for film based] or Auto 2 [for video based]
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can anybody explain to me what film mode is and the purpose of it?

what exactly is film mode and what is film based and what is video based content?

Film - Auto 1 [for film based] or Auto 2 [for video based]

Its used to de-interlace 1080i picture sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

Some are originally filmed (1080p24) others from a video camera (1080p60).

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57524894-221/what-is-refresh-rate/

Film Mode Auto 1 de-interlaces around 1200 lines but will show jagged lines on scrolling text. - best for Movies and most T.V. Shows shot on film.

Film Mode Auto 2 de-interlaces less lines but will fully resolve scrolling text. - best for Sports and News.

http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/
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Now I realize that some of my power cycles were due to an older wall outlet and a bad physical connection (that effected all my A.V. Gear).

The HDTV shut-off (without losing the Time and Date) is SmartTV processing related.

I haven't seen any reports in Months of the "Black Bars/Super-Widescreen 2.39:1" power cycles (with the lost Time and Date).
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Its used to de-interlace 1080i picture sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

Some are originally filmed (1080p24) others from a video camera (1080p60).

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57524894-221/what-is-refresh-rate/

Film Mode Auto 1 de-interlaces around 1200 lines but will show jagged lines on scrolling text. - best for Movies and most T.V. Shows shot on film.

Film Mode Auto 2 de-interlaces less lines but will fully resolve scrolling text. - best for Sports and News.

http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/

thanks.
so pretty much only for watching cable tv. ps4, blu ray, etc, won't need film mode correct?
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

thanks.
so pretty much only for watching cable tv. ps4, blu ray, etc, won't need film mode correct?

Yes interlaced sources, 1080i or 480i.

Film Mode is Greyed Out (not accessible) from 1080p, 720p and 480p sources.
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Can anyone confirm what audio signals the HDMI 2 (ARC) and the Optical Digital Out ports will pass to a receiver?

Will they pass anything the 7100 is receiving through an app?
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Hey everyone, this seemed like a great website, so I decided to register! I recently picked up the 46 inch model of this tv and love it so far. I also picked up the ht-f5500w home theater system to go with it. It seems lovely. I use it all for 95% gaming, so I was wondering if anyone could give me their ideal setups?

Is PC mode better for input lag? (Does it lower the refresh rate?)
Or is game mode more ideal?

I had some noticeable lag while playing wii u, the sound was faster on the gamepad than the tv. I disabled hdmi cec on the tv and reciever and that fixed that. I just want to make sure I have the best possible setup for gaming. Thanks everyone.
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I'm new to this forum and I'm really impressed with the amount information available. I was pretty set on purchasing the Samsung 65" F7100 until reading through this thread. Is the general consensus that this model should be avoided? or are people relatively happy and just sharing info on how to make their viewing experience even better? If the former, is there a better alternative in the same general price range? I did come across the Sony 65W850A thread and the user feedback seemed to be pretty positive although somewhat limited as this model was recently released. I do realize that the Sony is $500 more, though. My general use of the TV would be for standard cable shows and blue rays, no gaming. The internet features are "nice to have," but not critical (i.e. I would use them if they worked). Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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Originally Posted by mountainmohawk View Post

Hey everyone, this seemed like a great website, so I decided to register! I recently picked up the 46 inch model of this tv and love it so far. I also picked up the ht-f5500w home theater system to go with it. It seems lovely. I use it all for 95% gaming, so I was wondering if anyone could give me their ideal setups?

Is PC mode better for input lag? (Does it lower the refresh rate?)
Or is game mode more ideal?

I had some noticeable lag while playing wii u, the sound was faster on the gamepad than the tv. I disabled hdmi cec on the tv and reciever and that fixed that. I just want to make sure I have the best possible setup for gaming. Thanks everyone.
Welcome to AVS Forum and congratulations on your first post. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to your question but I am sure other forum members do. Stay tuned...
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Originally Posted by AMW22 View Post

I'm new to this forum and I'm really impressed with the amount information available. I was pretty set on purchasing the Samsung 65" F7100 until reading through this thread. Is the general consensus that this model should be avoided? or are people relatively happy and just sharing info on how to make their viewing experience even better? If the former, is there a better alternative in the same general price range? I did come across the Sony 65W850A thread and the user feedback seemed to be pretty positive although somewhat limited as this model was recently released. I do realize that the Sony is $500 more, though. My general use of the TV would be for standard cable shows and blue rays, no gaming. The internet features are "nice to have," but not critical (i.e. I would use them if they worked). Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Welcome to AVS Forum and congratulations on your first post. I think if you peruse through the first 20 pages on this thread and the last 20 pages, you will see a considerable difference in tone. Most, but not all, of the early problems were fixed with firmware updates. You should also be aware that many of us, including me, are picky OCD types who tend to microanalyze the picture and see defects that perhaps the average person is not able to perceive. Also, those who have problems are more likely to do a Google search and come across this forum. I bet the vast majority have no problems with their sets, or don't perceive the problems, and therefore don't come here. Everyday I watch this TV I am incredibly impressed with the quality of the picture, and I have one of those Sharp panels! The picture just seems to be right on the surface of the screen in crystal clarity. My major picking point was the excessive "microdimming" that occurred in the standard picture mode.However, I would say that the latest firmware update 1116 has addressed this issue to about 90% of my satisfaction.

Have some people bought sets that turned out to be defective? Sure. And it is a frustrating process getting the sets repaired or replaced. However, in any product line, there are going to be defects. Yet, I applaud Samsung for addressing most of the problems reported here. If you purchase the set, please do a firmware (software) update before your start fiddling with all the settings. I really don't think you will be disappointed. Happy shopping...
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Originally Posted by mountainmohawk View Post

Hey everyone, this seemed like a great website, so I decided to register! I recently picked up the 46 inch model of this tv and love it so far. I also picked up the ht-f5500w home theater system to go with it. It seems lovely. I use it all for 95% gaming, so I was wondering if anyone could give me their ideal setups?

Is PC mode better for input lag? (Does it lower the refresh rate?)
Or is game mode more ideal?

I had some noticeable lag while playing wii u, the sound was faster on the gamepad than the tv. I disabled hdmi cec on the tv and reciever and that fixed that. I just want to make sure I have the best possible setup for gaming. Thanks everyone.

Welcome to AVS! In terms of input lag, Game Mode and PC mode are nearly the same, with PC being slightly faster from what I understand. However I find the PQ to go down more using PC mode, as well it disables the "micro dimming" of Standard mode (Game Mode is Standard-only).

I can't comment on the sound problem as I also have CEC turned off. If you don't need it don't worry about it. The Picture Settings in my post a few replies up are based on my gaming experience so you can see if they work for you, maybe with a little tweaking. Hope you find this helps!
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait II View Post

Can anyone confirm what audio signals the HDMI 2 (ARC) and the Optical Digital Out ports will pass to a rJjjJ

Will they pass anything the 7100 is receiving through an app?
well if you can get arc working.ARC will pass 5.1,optical will also pass 5.1. When using Smart Hub I use optical out to my receiver and I will get 5.1. ARC is kinda buggy just when I thought I had it working the next morning it didn't work so I now do it with optical out when using Smart Hub.my avr is a denon avr2312
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Here's the latest news on the motion issue that I got after updating the Firmware to ver 1116. Although the changed settings did really help minimize the symptom, I did try a 2nd Factory Reset last night. After doing all of the re-programming I can honestly say that now I have my normal motion back and have been able to go back to my previous Custom Auto Motion + Setting that worked well in the past. YAHOO... It was NOT Ver 1116 that affected motion but an after affect of the update that slightly messed things up. I do remember my Smart Hub required a 2nd Smart Hub reset after I did do a Factory Reset after installing ver 1116.(I thought I had a Smart Hub issue following the update but really didn't at the time). So I did the Reset and.... A few of my Smart Hub Icons were missing, one of them being Netflix. Anyways I have read on other Forums, that Samsung WAS having Server problems at the time I did my update & that may have contributed to the issue I was seeing. My Web Browser is very stable once again also. No more TV crashes have occured.

I am now a happy camper Once again!!!!! I really need to lay off off the updates for a while though.wink.gif
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Thanks emileg for your quick response. I appreciate your feedback and feel more confident moving forward with the purchase.

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Seems to me that fw 1116 has caused problems with the anynet+ and my Sony DN840.  I now get no image unless I use the receiver remote to temporarily pull up it's menu or go to the samsung tools menu and refresh the anynet receiver device.  Before 1116 this wasn't necessary.

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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

Here's the latest news on the motion issue that I got after updating the Firmware to ver 1116. Although the changed settings did really help minimize the symptom, I did try a 2nd Factory Reset last night. After doing all of the re-programming I can honestly say that now I have my normal motion back and have been able to go back to my previous Custom Auto Motion + Setting that worked well in the past. YAHOO... It was NOT Ver 1116 that affected motion but an after affect of the update that slightly messed things up. I do remember my Smart Hub required a 2nd Smart Hub reset after I did do a Factory Reset after installing ver 1116.(I thought I had a Smart Hub issue following the update but really didn't at the time). So I did the Reset and.... A few of my Smart Hub Icons were missing, one of them being Netflix. Anyways I have read on other Forums, that Samsung WAS having Server problems at the time I did my update & that may have contributed to the issue I was seeing. My Web Browser is very stable once again also. No more TV crashes have occured.

I am now a happy camper Once again!!!!! I really need to lay off off the updates for a while though.wink.gif
I'm having a weird experience meaning when I cut my ps3 off and return to watching tv my screen is dark and I always have to cut the tv off to get it back to my normal settings Smh
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Originally Posted by nyuushin View Post

Welcome to AVS! In terms of input lag, Game Mode and PC mode are nearly the same, with PC being slightly faster from what I understand. However I find the PQ to go down more using PC mode, as well it disables the "micro dimming" of Standard mode (Game Mode is Standard-only).

I can't comment on the sound problem as I also have CEC turned off. If you don't need it don't worry about it. The Picture Settings in my post a few replies up are based on my gaming experience so you can see if they work for you, maybe with a little tweaking. Hope you find this helps!

Thanks for the tips! I'm fiddling around still, I'm not sure if I prefer PC mode or game mode.

Anyways new issue: while playing a game I noticed that the screen sometimes go black and then comes back a second or two later. The info bar appears again at the top of the screen. The audio plays the whole time. Any ideas what it could be? My setup is: systems->hdmi switch box->ht 5500w->tv. I'm thinking it's the switch box but I'm not sure. :/
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Originally Posted by macmane View Post

I'm having a weird experience meaning when I cut my ps3 off and return to watching tv my screen is dark and I always have to cut the tv off to get it back to my normal settings

I have something similar with the Xbox360...its due to Samsung's C.E. Dimming, Anynet + (HDMI-CEC) and the way the HDTV reads the Video Game output.

Most sources like my DirecTV and Blu-ray player get recognized power on or off.

The Xbox360 is only detected with power on.

You have to hit the source button and switch within 45 seconds or the F7100's cycles through Anynet+ for any last HDMI command and goes black (C.E. Dimming).

The F7100 goes into a limbo cycle of perceiving a dark silent image, no HDMI connection and back to seeking Anynet+ command.

Easy Fix- switch sources before you power the PS3 down.
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I have something similar with the Xbox360...its due to Samsung's C.E. Dimming, Anynet + (HDMI-CEC) and the way the HDTV reads the Video Game output.

Most sources like my DirecTV and Blu-ray player get recognized power on or off.

The Xbox360 is only detected with power on.

You have to hit the source button and switch within 45 seconds or the F7100's cycles through Anynet+ for any last HDMI command and goes black (C.E. Dimming).

The F7100 goes into a limbo cycle of perceiving a dark silent image, no HDMI connection and back to seeking Anynet+ command.

Easy Fix- switch sources before you power the PS3 down.
thanks pirate
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Originally Posted by mgh26 View Post

I did try a 2nd Factory Reset last night. After doing all of the re-programming I can honestly say that now I have my normal motion back and have been able to go back to my previous Custom Auto Motion + Setting that worked well in the past.

I am now a happy camper Once again!!!!! I really need to lay off off the updates for a while though.wink.gif

All the F7100 Processor needs is 1 Zero or 1 One in its binary code out of place to malfunction.

Garbage in, garbage out- its a Computer masquerading as a HDTV wink.gif.

I'd also like to say with fw. ver. 1116, if possible.
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Thread Starter 
My Samsung F7100 Settings (again)

Movie Mode

Backlight 14 (with Eco Sensor 6)
Contrast 100
Brightness 45
Sharpness 0 - 20 (recommended 10)
Color 48
Tint 50/50

Picture Size - Screen Fit (recommended) or 16:9

Advanced Settings - Dynamic Contrast off, Black Tone off, Flesh Tone 0, and RGB Only off

Color Space - Custom
R R44 G0 B4
G 15 52 0
B 0 8 45
Y 54 53 0
C 10 50 51
M 43 7 43

White Balance 25 26 26 16 25 25

10p White Balance
1 0 -1 -3
2 +1 0 -1
3 +2+2 0
4 +1+2+1
5 +2+2 0
6 0 0 0
7 0 0 0
8 -2 -2 -2
9 0 0 0
10 0 0 0

Gamma 0

Picture Options

Color Temp Warm2
Dig Clean View – Off, Auto or Low
Mpeg – Off, Auto (recommended for 1080i) or Low
HDMI black level- [greyed out] or Low exception> HDMI black level- Normal: Xbox360- RGB / Expanded
Film - Auto 1 (film based-movies, dramas), Auto 2 (video based- sports, news)
Auto Motion Plus – Off, Clear or Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On (recommended)
Cinema Black Low (recommended) , Medium or High

Apply Picture Source - Current Source

Standard Mode- same as Movie except Color 44 (Eco Off or 10) / Color Space – Auto

Dynamic and Natural same as Movie except Color 40 (Eco Off or 10)

3D Movie Mode - *2D and 3D on the same HDMI Input have separate memories

Backlight 20
Contrast 100
Brightness 45
Sharpness 20
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Picture Size - Screen Fit or 16:9

3D
Perspective 0
Frame Depth 5
Light Control > High

Advanced Settings - Dynamic Contrast off, Black Tone off, Flesh Tone 0, and RGB Only off

Color Space - Custom
R R38 G0 B6
G 15 23 9
B 9 0 51
Y 47 52 9
C 14 51 53
M 41 0 48

White Balance 27 29 28 0 8 50

10p White Balance - not accessible in 3D mode

Gamma -3

Picture Options

Color Temp Warm2
Dig Clean View - off
Mpeg - off
Film - Auto 1
Auto Motion Plus – Off, Clear, Custom - Blur 10 - Judder 0 - LED Clear Motion On
Cinema Black Off

Apply Picture Source - Current Source

3D Standard Mode same as 3D Movie except Color 47 / Color Space – Auto

3D Dynamic same as 3D Movie except Color 43
Edited by PiratesCove - 12/31/13 at 2:15pm
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Anyone have any ideas for my problem?

Black screen for a second or two and then it returns with the info bar at the top of the screen as though I changed input. Audio plays.

Setup; 360, ps3, wii u, directv->marginmart hdmi switch->ht f5500w reciever-> tv.

Here's the link to my switcher: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001VNHPPS/ref=ya_aw_oh_pit
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Originally Posted by AMW22 View Post

I'm new to this forum and I'm really impressed with the amount information available. I was pretty set on purchasing the Samsung 65" F7100 until reading through this thread. Is the general consensus that this model should be avoided? or are people relatively happy and just sharing info on how to make their viewing experience even better? If the former, is there a better alternative in the same general price range? I did come across the Sony 65W850A thread and the user feedback seemed to be pretty positive although somewhat limited as this model was recently released. I do realize that the Sony is $500 more, though. My general use of the TV would be for standard cable shows and blue rays, no gaming. The internet features are "nice to have," but not critical (i.e. I would use them if they worked). Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Hello AMW, and welcome to the site. There is a vast amount of information here, as you mentioned.

I don't believe there is a consensus that the 65F7100 should be avoided. For a while there was some discontentment regarding the 60", but that seems to have subsided. As has been noted here, some of the posters are VERY finicky about their televisions. They notice things no one else sees, and complain about it vehemently. Also has been noted, a lot of issues have been remedied or minimized by the firmware updates. It seems to me, perhaps because of the firmware fixes, that the frequency of noted problems has diminished.

Speaking for myself, I am very happy with our 65F7100. We looked at several different sets and couldn't find one with a picture that appeared to my eyes as nice as this Samsung's. We've had it about two and a half months now. No gaming, just tv and movies. We added rear speakers, a new receiver, and an SVS sub (terrific for home theater!) and watch movies galore.

David
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

All the F7100 Processor needs is 1 Zero or 1 One in its binary code out of place to malfunction.

Garbage in, garbage out- its a Computer masquerading as a HDTV wink.gif.

I'd also like to say with fw. ver. 1116, if possible.
Very True. I think the Firmware is getting more complex as time has gone by. It reallly is a HUGE piece of software and it seems to have no tolerance if a tiny bit of code gets out of place for any reason. It throws a hissy fit (Software Crashes) and turns the TV OFF. Strange but true. I'm Glad the Factory Reset seems to reslove thiese kinds of problems in most cases. Without that working, I think I would have gone through several Main boards by now.eek.gif
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