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post #4351 of 4992
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Originally Posted by nawert View Post

Game mode is in setting not in picture in the menu.  It automatically turns all the extra effects off that the TV applies for maximize gaming experience.  Only thing is I still get the screen dimming too much because of the micro dimming feature.

Gotcha. Thanks
post #4352 of 4992
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Originally Posted by nawert View Post

Do you not use game mode?  I have game mode on so its standard mode and all picture enhancements disabled also.
no I have game mode off. As well as any other "enhancements".
post #4353 of 4992
who is providing financing these days of the no interest if paid with xxx variety. I have an account with Paypal/Pay It Later but will it transfer?
post #4354 of 4992
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

So I didn't get to watch the football game yesterday on the 65f7100, but I did get to watch the NY Rangers game on MSG a bit. I went back upstairs to finish watching on my trusty old Sammy 55C650. No comparison. UGH! I can see that this is going to be a long process. The 65F7100 does look better after firmware update and after utilizing Pirate Cove settings, but only on Movie. Dynamic is an abomination, Standard fluctuates too much between dark and light, even within the same scene. Natural isn't bad, but a bit dark. Movie is best, but a bit washed out. I also looked at CNET's settings, but they are very close to Pirates' settings, so no big changes there. More bothersome: I still don't get anywhere near the clarity of the C650, and I see picture occasionally going in and out of focus/clarity, and some "haze" or "mottling" in dark portions of the picture. Also, the color push can be high or low from scene to scene, channel to channel, and even with different camera angles in the same ballgame.

Really not sure if this is all the set is capable of, and if these are simply the artifacts and limitations of the new breed of edge lit LCDs and the larger screen size (65 vs 55, from 10-12 ft viewing distance). I am tempted to get it calibrated, but hate the idea of throwing away $300+ only to find out the TV is either broken or incapable. I have 45 days to return to BB, so maybe I should try to switch it out for another and hope the next F7100 is better (although I do have the TH02, which I believe is a sammy panel, so I'd be playing the panel lottery again).

Very frustrating.

Question: did anyone else here on avs go from a Sammy C-6/7 series to this F7100? Anyone able to compare the two and comment?

So I had decided to keep this set with it's flaws because maybe I had gotten used to it and it really wasn't bad for movies. BR was actually very good, and cable/streaming could be very good, although highly dependent on the quality of the feed, which is very inconsistent. So I placed much of the blame on the cable feed and perhaps the size of the screen (65 compared to my older 55, although I'm at least 10 feet from screen). Basically, I made excuses because I had my trusty old c650 in the den and could watch sports up there. However, the inconsistency in picture quality is finally wearing me out, especially the "mottling" as I call it, for which I'm sure there is a term but I can't figure it out ( by mottling, I mean the picture, mostly in darker scenes with some movement, gets a mottled effect somewhat like when you paint a wall by dabbing it with a sponge, if that makes sense? Hazy too would be a good adjective, as if you're watching through a dirty window.). In addition, two other problems: thin vertical "zipper" or railroad track lines appear every once in a while but only on cable feed (of course, this is the majority of the viewing now that blockbuster/Hollywood video are gone). Finally, and the last straw, the picture just dims out without reason. This is not just on movie mode, but any other mode I switch to. When I switch modes, the picture brightens up again, only to dim to darkness within 10-15 seconds. It's as if someone turned off the lights in the studio. You can still see the picture, but it's very dark and dim.

Anyway, this is very frustrating. Any ideas on what could be causing the dimming? I'm going to guess that's the micro dimming function gone haywire, since it isn't supposed to be active in movie mode, right?
post #4355 of 4992
had my tv for almost a week now, i have similar complaints. the flashlighting in the corners is very annoying, im hoping this goes down over time. the other complain is skin tones as they look over saturated and washed out. the processor is pretty strong in cleaning up the cable image, but at the same time it doesnt do skin tones very good. i would like to fix the skin tones while making the colors a little deeper/brighter, i like the dynamic colors but the skin tones are even worse on that setting. blu rays and sports tho are pretty flawless.
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

However, the inconsistency in picture quality is finally wearing me out, especially the "mottling" as I call it, for which I'm sure there is a term but I can't figure it out ( by mottling, I mean the picture, mostly in darker scenes with some movement, gets a mottled effect somewhat like when you paint a wall by dabbing it with a sponge, if that makes sense? Hazy too would be a good adjective, as if you're watching through a dirty window.). In addition, two other problems: thin vertical "zipper" or railroad track lines appear every once in a while but only on cable feed (of course, this is the majority of the viewing now that blockbuster/Hollywood video are gone). Finally, and the last straw, the picture just dims out without reason. This is not just on movie mode, but any other mode I switch to. When I switch modes, the picture brightens up again, only to dim to darkness within 10-15 seconds. It's as if someone turned off the lights in the studio. You can still see the picture, but it's very dark and dim.

I believe you are noticing the Edge-lit LED's diffusion of light.

The C650 was a LCD Backlight set so the "Hazy" effect didn't happen.

This video shows an similar / older Samsung LED's internal break down, go to 10:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uar1HI8KgGk

You are noticing a refracted lighting vs. a direct lighting.

The fix should be increase Backlight setting (but not too high- it will cause flashlighting).

The "Zipper" lines sound like a interlacing problem from a 1080i source.

Fix: Picture> Picture Options> Film Mode set to Auto1 or Auto2.

The dimming is caused by the Eco Sensor being on.

Fix: System> Eco Solution> Eco Sensor - set to Off or increase the setting.
post #4357 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

I believe you are noticing the Edge-lit LED's diffusion of light.

The C650 was a LCD Backlight set so the "Hazy" effect didn't happen.

This video shows an similar / older Samsung LED's internal break down, go to 10:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uar1HI8KgGk

You are noticing a refracted lighting vs. a direct lighting.

The fix should be increase Backlight setting (but not too high- it will cause flashlighting).

The "Zipper" lines sound like a interlacing problem from a 1080i source.

Fix: Picture> Picture Options> Film Mode set to Auto1 or Auto2.

The dimming is caused by the Eco Sensor being on.

Fix: System> Eco Solution> Eco Sensor - set to Off or increase the setting.

Pirate Cove, you are really an awesome help. Thanks much. However, Eco sensor is off. I checked after it happened. What else could it be?
post #4358 of 4992
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

Pirate Cove, you are really an awesome help. Thanks much. However, Eco sensor is off. I checked after it happened. What else could it be?

Oh, also, backlight is at 14. Do you think 17 is good enough? 20 is max, so I'm already getting close
post #4359 of 4992
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

Pirate Cove, you are really an awesome help. Thanks much. However, Eco sensor is off. I checked after it happened. What else could it be?

Do you have all black enhanced settings off, Dynamic Contrast, Black Tone, Gamma at 0 or above, Cinema Black at Low or Off and Motion Lighting?

If so- Movie should not dim.

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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

Oh, also, backlight is at 14. Do you think 17 is good enough? 20 is max, so I'm already getting close

I like Movie at Backlight 14 with Econ Sensor at 6.

Backlight 17 may help, but for what you want Natural is the solution - despite the black-crush and micro-dimming.
post #4360 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Do you have all black enhanced settings off, Dynamic Contrast, Black Tone, Gamma at 0 or above, Cinema Black at Low or Off and Motion Lighting?

If so- Movie should not dim.
I like Movie at Backlight 14 with Econ Sensor at 6.

Backlight 17 may help, but for what you want Natural is the solution - despite the black-crush and micro-dimming.

Yes, all settings were as you state above. Movie dimmed, as did all the others. Crazy.
post #4361 of 4992
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

Yes, all settings were as you state above. Movie dimmed, as did all the others. Crazy.

You may need tech support.
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I ran into a very very prominent dimming issue. It was almost unwatchable in dark scenes. I found the issue was almost completely remedied when switching the hdmi black level setting. There is a slight dimming still happening but it is exponentially better now.

post #4363 of 4992
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Originally Posted by jeffkad View Post

Finally, and the last straw, the picture just dims out without reason. This is not just on movie mode, but any other mode I switch to. When I switch modes, the picture brightens up again, only to dim to darkness within 10-15 seconds. It's as if someone turned off the lights in the studio. You can still see the picture, but it's very dark and dim.

Anyway, this is very frustrating. Any ideas on what could be causing the dimming? I'm going to guess that's the micro dimming function gone haywire, since it isn't supposed to be active in movie mode, right?

Assuming you have all the eco/dynamic options off, this sounds like a bug several people have hit occasionally. A previous F7100 I had ended up in this state several times (always after the PS3 did resolution changes) and the only way I was able to fix it was via a factory reset.
post #4364 of 4992
Any chance the cinema black feature is casing this. I could have sworn I was having same issue in movie mode, had cinema black on high turns out, and when I changed to low, havent had the problem any more. Could be a coincedence ?
post #4365 of 4992
Congrats to me! I just bought a 65" 7100 from Amazon. Can someone direct me to the best settings? Are there different settings for movies vs. sports vs. television shows vs. blu-ray or is there one setting that will accomodate all of these categories? I will not be doing any gaming. Thanks.
post #4366 of 4992
Well after about 4 months of use I got the dreaded red vertical line last night (UN60F7050)....guess we'll see what the repair guy says on Friday

Edited by ScottyC - 2/4/14 at 12:50pm
post #4367 of 4992
I recently had my 60PZ950 replaced under a warranty via a third party. As a replacement I opted for the UN65F7100. At this point in time I"m ready to return the F7100 and chose another FP. The flashlighting in dark scenes is unbearable and the skin tones are too pink regardless of calibration adjustments. I really, really don't want to return this TV but at this time I simply cannot except the display's performance. This TV shines with my Xbox One and most DTV content, yet fails miserably with BDs and in dark(er) content. Color me disappointed.
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I recently had my 60PZ950 replaced under a warranty via a third party. As a replacement I opted for the UN65F7100. At this point in time I"m ready to return the F7100 and chose another FP. The flashlighting in dark scenes is unbearable and the skin tones are too pink regardless of calibration adjustments. I really, really don't want to return this TV but at this time I simply cannot except the display's performance. This TV shines with my Xbox One and most DTV content, yet fails miserably with BDs and in dark(er) content. Color me disappointed.

You just gotta keep messing with the settings. There are guides here to help with the color, but nobody will be able to get it exactly right for you, because too many unaccounted variables come into play. It'll get you into the ballpark, though. With regard to the light problems, I suggest you get used to a backlight setting of 10 or below. The reason it goes up to 20 is for the 3D content, I presume. When I set my backlight to 8, I get zero bleed.

Keep in mind this is an ultra thin tv, that's one of its selling points. If its absolute picture quality you're looking for, the ultra thin feature should be avoided. I like and kind of need the ultra thin because i had to move the 65 inch set around alone, and I'm not very strong.

I know people complain about black levels a lot, but frankly, I think they're fine. My brightness is set to 37, contrast is at 96, dynamic contrast at low, gamma at +1, and backlight at 8. I'm sure you have tried all the settings. I just find it so weird to hear people complain about picture quality, when I've literally never seen such a great picture in my life lol. Guess I'm not much of an AV geek? :/
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I recently had my 60PZ950 replaced under a warranty via a third party. As a replacement I opted for the UN65F7100. At this point in time I"m ready to return the F7100 and chose another FP. The flashlighting in dark scenes is unbearable and the skin tones are too pink regardless of calibration adjustments. I really, really don't want to return this TV but at this time I simply cannot except the display's performance. This TV shines with my Xbox One and most DTV content, yet fails miserably with BDs and in dark(er) content. Color me disappointed.

i agree with you on this, had mine for 8 days now. the skin tones are bad, and the colors are not great besides on dynamic, but on dynamic the skin tones are horrendous. id like to adjust the skin tones while increasing the brightness of colors to match that on the dynamic mode.
post #4370 of 4992
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Originally Posted by EvanC View Post

You just gotta keep messing with the settings. There are guides here to help with the color, but nobody will be able to get it exactly right for you, because too many unaccounted variables come into play. It'll get you into the ballpark, though. With regard to the light problems, I suggest you get used to a backlight setting of 10 or below. The reason it goes up to 20 is for the 3D content, I presume. When I set my backlight to 8, I get zero bleed.

Keep in mind this is an ultra thin tv, that's one of its selling points. If its absolute picture quality you're looking for, the ultra thin feature should be avoided. I like and kind of need the ultra thin because i had to move the 65 inch set around alone, and I'm not very strong.

I know people complain about black levels a lot, but frankly, I think they're fine. My brightness is set to 37, contrast is at 96, dynamic contrast at low, gamma at +1, and backlight at 8. I'm sure you have tried all the settings. I just find it so weird to hear people complain about picture quality, when I've literally never seen such a great picture in my life lol. Guess I'm not much of an AV geek? :/

Granted I've only had the TV for 72 hours. I've read some people's posts on other various owner's threads that indicate the flashlighting ether subsides or becomes significantly less prevalent over time. I'm not using anyone else's settings, I've calibrated my display with my X-Rite i1 OEM colorimeter and CalMan 5. I'm novice at best in terms of my calibration experience so I could be own problem, however my PZ950 looked a heck of a lot more accurate than the F7100 is right now. Maybe I just need time to adjust to an edge-lit LED display after having owned a PDP for several years. Who knows! I just need to make up my mind within my return/exchange period.
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for those who do not want to mount their tv, and don't like the alien looking stand the tv comes with, i highly recommend purchasing an OEM stand from the samsung plasma tv. Just did this swap for my f7100 and d7000 and absolutely LOVE the way it looks. I personally think it looks nicer than mounting the tv since the clear glass in the middle looks really cool. I ordered from these guys and it shipped the same day and was cheap with shipping. Samsungparts.com charges an absurd amount for shipping, and encompassparts keeps delaying things by changing their backorder date. highly recommend! and not sure why samsung doesn't even ship the tv's with these stands. THIS IS NOT SPAM, but i know there has been some interest for these stands in this thread, so just helping out.

http://www.tvtechparts.com/BN96-16847A-p/bn96-16847a.htm



will post a pic of my tv with this stand as well.
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These are the end results after spending quite sometime tweaking my display. My F7100 looks much better now. I think I'm going to bite the bullet and realize that I may have jumped the gun by leaving this TV for dead eek.gif

Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 8
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 20
Color: 50
Tint: G50 R50
Picture Size: Screen Fit

ADVANCED SETTINGS:
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0

2 Point Grayscale:
R-Offset: 22
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 24
R-Gain: 23
G-Gain: 31
B-Gain: 17

CMS:
Red: R=45, G=0, B=4
Green: R=4, G=48, B=8
Blue: R=2, G=44, B=50
Yellow: R=51, G=49, B=17
Cyan: R=0, G=50, B=50
Magenta: R=44, G=33, B=46
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

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These are the end results after spending quite sometime tweaking my display. My F7100 looks much better now. I think I'm going to bite the bullet and realize that I may have jumped the gun by leaving this TV for dead eek.gif

Awesome work, than you for sharing....

The F7100 can truly impress with the right settings and sources.
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

for those who do not want to mount their tv, and don't like the alien looking stand the tv comes with, i highly recommend purchasing an OEM stand from the samsung plasma tv. Just did this swap for my f7100 and d7000 and absolutely LOVE the way it looks. I personally think it looks nicer than mounting the tv since the clear glass in the middle looks really cool. I ordered from these guys and it shipped the same day and was cheap with shipping. Samsungparts.com charges an absurd amount for shipping, and encompassparts keeps delaying things by changing their backorder date. highly recommend! and not sure why samsung doesn't even ship the tv's with these stands. THIS IS NOT SPAM, but i know there has been some interest for these stands in this thread, so just helping out.

http://www.tvtechparts.com/BN96-16847A-p/bn96-16847a.htm

will post a pic of my tv with this stand as well.

+1, I also ditched the alien/chicken foot stand and have a D6900 stand, similar to the picture.

Love the clear glass....
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

Congrats to me! I just bought a 65" 7100 from Amazon. Can someone direct me to the best settings? Are there different settings for movies vs. sports vs. television shows vs. blu-ray or is there one setting that will accomodate all of these categories? I will not be doing any gaming. Thanks.

These are my settings: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470900/official-samsung-unxxf7100-owners-thread/4020#post_24142810

There are also other great settings listed in the thread.
post #4376 of 4992
Thread Starter 
For anyone still on fw. ver. 1117, I can confirm that fw. ver. 1120 is very stable and has the same excellent Picture Quality.

The firmware corrected a few operational features:

Including a fix for the crash when selecting Netflix or Amazon from the More Remote button- if disconnected from the internet.
post #4377 of 4992
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

These are my settings: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470900/official-samsung-unxxf7100-owners-thread/4020#post_24142810

There are also other great settings listed in the thread.

thanks. Now the waiting game begins - Amazon is out of the tv and was subbing to other vendors but I opted to get one from them directly and now they are saying 3-6 weeks for delivery. Is it possible that I won't get one? If so, I will cancel the order and start over.

Also, I need to elevate the tv about 4 inches to clear the center channel speaker- any suggestions on a tasteful way of doing this?
post #4378 of 4992
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

thanks. Now the waiting game begins - Amazon is out of the tv and was subbing to other vendors but I opted to get one from them directly and now they are saying 3-6 weeks for delivery. Is it possible that I won't get one? If so, I will cancel the order and start over.

Also, I need to elevate the tv about 4 inches to clear the center channel speaker- any suggestions on a tasteful way of doing this?

If the wait is that long I'd look elsewhere for the TV. It's part of the unilateral pricing model therefore is going to be the same cost regardless of where you buy.
post #4379 of 4992
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

If the wait is that long I'd look elsewhere for the TV. It's part of the unilateral pricing model therefore is going to be the same cost regardless of where you buy.

got free financing for 24 months, don't want another inquiry account on my credit record. I can wait. If they truly run out of stock, I'll get something else. No worries.
post #4380 of 4992
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

thanks. Now the waiting game begins - Amazon is out of the tv and was subbing to other vendors but I opted to get one from them directly and now they are saying 3-6 weeks for delivery. Is it possible that I won't get one? If so, I will cancel the order and start over.

Also, I need to elevate the tv about 4 inches to clear the center channel speaker- any suggestions on a tasteful way of doing this?

go to amazon.com type in black tv riser, they are like 90 bux, might wanna get exact measurements tho to make sure the 7100 stand will fit on top of it. raises it up about 7 inches and u can put your center speaker right inside the box.i have debated doing this as well.
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