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Deciding between a used VT50, new ST60, or new S60

post #1 of 21
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Hey guys,

So the choice for my new family room TV is between a used (less than 20 hours) 55" VT50 or a new 50" ST60.

The 55" VT50 will cost me $1550 while the 50" ST60 will cost me $950. I have a dedicated Sony Projector setup for home theater viewing, so reference quality is not needed for this Panasonic choice. 3D will not be used. And size is not a factor (the 50" is plenty big enough for the room it is going in.) The major requirement is great picture in mid-level lighting.

Any suggestions? I want to save as much money as possible, so it's basically a question of whether the VT50 (last years model) is worth an extra $600 over the ST60, size difference aside?

Thanks!
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hey guys,

So the choice for my new family room TV is between a used (less than 20 hours) 55" VT50 or a new 50" ST60.

The 55" VT50 will cost me $1550 while the 50" ST60 will cost me $950. I have a dedicated Sony Projector setup for home theater viewing, so reference quality is not needed for this Panasonic choice. 3D will not be used. And size is not a factor (the 50" is plenty big enough for the room it is going in.) The major requirement is great picture in mid-level lighting.

Any suggestions? I want to save as much money as possible, so it's basically a question of whether the VT50 (last years model) is worth an extra $600 over the ST60, size difference aside?

Thanks!

Why not a 55" or 60" ST60 ?
post #3 of 21
Reviews have put the picture of the ST60 right up there with the picture of the VT50. So I think you will basically be getting the same PQ.

If size does not matter then the 50ST60 is the way to go. The VT50 is a lot more premium looking though, but that has nothing to do with the pq. If size did matter then the 60ST60 would obviously be the way to go over a 55VT50.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Why not a 55" or 60" ST60 ?

No need for bigger than 50".

I have a 133" Projection setup for movie viewing. This TV is just for a small family room setup. Money savings over size as long as it's 50". Was just curious if the extra money for a VT50 was worth it over an ST60 for my use (light movies, mostly video games/DirecTV).....it just so happens that the VT50 in question is a 55" set.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Reviews have put the picture of the ST60 right up there with the picture of the VT50. So I think you will basically be getting the same PQ.

If size does not matter then the 50ST60 is the way to go. The VT50 is a lot more premium looking though, but that has nothing to do with the pq. If size did matter then the 60ST60 would obviously be the way to go over a 55VT50.

The VT50 I am looking at is discounted because it has some knicks along the bottom border of the bezel (open box Best Buy item).
post #6 of 21
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What about the S60 vs the ST60 in a medium lit room (non-direct lighting) with only two 42" windows facing north and east, so the sun only directly shines into the room until 12-1pm?

3D is not needed, but will the picture of the S60 leave me wanting more? Or will saving $300 over the ST60 justify it for a value driven family room setup?
post #7 of 21
I'd at least go ST60 over the S60. The PQ difference is enough IMO and no reflections on the screen. I too was considering the 55VT50, but I really want that bigger size of the 60 inch. If you play a decent amount of video games, the ST60 has a not so good amount of input lag, making the VT50 more appealing. Plus more picture modes, proven track record over the last year, larger CMS controls and such. But for just PQ in general, no gaming or anything, the 55ST60 would be a great choice for less money too.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

I'd at least go ST60 over the S60. The PQ difference is enough IMO and no reflections on the screen. I too was considering the 55VT50, but I really want that bigger size of the 60 inch. If you play a decent amount of video games, the ST60 has a not so good amount of input lag, making the VT50 more appealing. Plus more picture modes, proven track record over the last year, larger CMS controls and such. But for just PQ in general, no gaming or anything, the 55ST60 would be a great choice for less money too.

Right now I've been gaming on an entry level LG 42LK450 LCD TV. Would the gaming lag be better or worse than said TV on the ST60? I thought Plasmas had good gaming lag (low lag)?
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Right now I've been gaming on an entry level LG 42LK450 LCD TV. Would the gaming lag be better or worse than said TV on the ST60? I thought Plasmas had good gaming lag (low lag)?

You happen to have one of the really good LCD's for gaming, input lag is around 32ms. It's smokes the ST60 in this regard. Gaming will be worse. How much you feel it depends on the person & the game.

Yes, Panasonic plasma's have very low input lag...that is, all but this set lol. Lots of frustration about this subject (see input lag thread)
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

You happen to have one of the really good LCD's for gaming, input lag is around 32ms. It's smokes the ST60 in this regard. Gaming will be worse. How much you feel it depends on the person & the game.

Yes, Panasonic plasma's have very low input lag...that is, all but this set lol. Lots of frustration about this subject (see input lag thread)

How is the input lag on the S60?
post #11 of 21
I don't mind some things used but when it comes to HDTVs and other electronics I prefer new. Who knows how that VT50 was handled considering it has knicks. I wouldn't risk it. The ST60 supposedly has a beautiful picture quality but others have said the input lag is bad. Perhaps you can get the ST60 for watching movies and stick with your LG for gaming or you can try to find a brand new VT50 somewhere else.

If you really want to get something even better then the Panasonic TC-P55VT60 can be had for $2,599.99. There are supposedly some steps online where you can join the EPP program and get it at a discount from the Panasonic site.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

I don't mind some things used but when it comes to HDTVs and other electronics I prefer new. Who knows how that VT50 was handled considering it has knicks. I wouldn't risk it. The ST60 supposedly has a beautiful picture quality but others have said the input lag is bad. Perhaps you can get the ST60 for watching movies and stick with your LG for gaming or you can try to find a brand new VT50 somewhere else.

I've nixed the VT50 from the choices. It's between a 55" S60 or a 50" ST60. I can control the lighting in my room very well, so the lower brightness and missing anti-reflective measures of the S60 do not bother me.

I will not be able to use the LCD for gaming, as it will be moved to my bedroom. So the deciding factor is input lag between the S60 and ST60. Which has the lowest lag between those two?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

I've nixed the VT50 from the choices. It's between a 55" S60 or a 50" ST60. I can control the lighting in my room very well, so the lower brightness and missing anti-reflective measures of the S60 do not bother me.

I will not be able to use the LCD for gaming, as it will be moved to my bedroom. So the deciding factor is input lag between the S60 and ST60. Which has the lowest lag between those two?

Just read some posts in the Official S60 owners thread. Seems the S60 has far lower lag than the ST60. Users reporting tests done with laptops say the lag on the S60 is between 1-2 frames.

Looks like my decision is almost made. Off to Best Buy to view the S60 under bright lights and haggle a price until I for sure pull the trigger.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Just read some posts in the Official S60 owners thread. Seems the S60 has far lower lag than the ST60. Users reporting tests done with laptops say the lag on the S60 is between 1-2 frames.

Looks like my decision is almost made. Off to Best Buy to view the S60 under bright lights and haggle a price until I for sure pull the trigger.

Yeah, the S60 seems to have great input response. You're able to haggle at Best Buy? Well, let us know when you've made the purchase.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Yeah, the S60 seems to have great input response. You're able to haggle at Best Buy? Well, let us know when you've made the purchase.

My buddy who works for the Geek department said they can actually do up to 10% off TV's. We shall see.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
Wait!!!

This new Best Buy I'm at has an open box 55" ST50 for $849.......IS THAT WORTH IT?

Input lag on the ST50 is very low, right?
post #17 of 21
Yes it is. And the ST50 is still a great set.

I didn't mean imply before that the ST60 is unplayable because of the lag btw. Some will notice it, some won't.
post #18 of 21
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Well, the sales associate said if I open a Best Buy account I can get 10% extra off, so I'm down to around $775 for a 55" ST50 that has been on display for 2 weeks. Ran the scrolling bar, no dead pixels or IR. No cosmetic damage. Comes with 1yr manufacturer warranty.

What does everyone think?
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Well, the sales associate said if I open a Best Buy account I can get 10% extra off, so I'm down to around $775 for a 55" ST50 that has been on display for 2 weeks. Ran the scrolling bar, no dead pixels or IR. No cosmetic damage. Comes with 1yr manufacturer warranty.

What does everyone think?

Sounds good. If everything looks good then I personally would for that over the S60. Let us know on your decision.
Edited by RomanBlade86 - 5/2/13 at 2:59pm
post #20 of 21
Hi Guys,

I signed up on this forum for a similar choice. I have ordered a p65st60 (EU) and i am receiving it today. However, I can buy a p65vt50 (EU) for exactly the same price. Which tv has better value for me?

I am a casual gamer and am a bit worried about image retention. I have a bright living room, and my tv will have its back facing towards the windows. I don't know if the glass panel of the VT50 will be a downside in my situation.

I initially chose for the st60 expecting that it would have better smart tv functionality. But now I am unsure whether I have made the right choice.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Mark
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by MMo88 View Post

Hi Guys,

I signed up on this forum for a similar choice. I have ordered a p65st60 (EU) and i am receiving it today. However, I can buy a p65vt50 (EU) for exactly the same price. Which tv has better value for me?

I am a casual gamer and am a bit worried about image retention. I have a bright living room, and my tv will have its back facing towards the windows. I don't know if the glass panel of the VT50 will be a downside in my situation.

I initially chose for the st60 expecting that it would have better smart tv functionality. But now I am unsure whether I have made the right choice.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Mark

65VT50 Vs. 65ST60 at the exact same price is a very hard choice..
Since you have a bright room, I'm leaning toward VT50. It has a Black Ultra Panel.. ST60 has a Black Pro Panel..
But, I didn't read any filter performance comparison between the two in any of the review I read..
So.. It's only based on the marketing name difference...

For casual gaming, I think VT50 has less lag than ST60..

The rest is the Preset option, especially THX Cinema preset.
If you don't want to calibrate your display, IMO, THX Cinema preset is quite good.
I have no idea the ST60 Cinema preset is comparable or not..

If you want to calibrate, VT50 also have more options in the Pro1 preset..
Hmm.. Actually, I'm not sure about the ST60, but I think it has less option, please CMIIW..
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