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This was once the Pioneer BDP-72FD/73FD/160/460/LX57 2013 Blu-ray player thread--including everything from anticipation, press announcements, and user discussions. It turns out that the only Blu-ray player released by Pioneer in 2013 was the BDP-160. It's not even available in the US, unless B&H and J&R decide to sell it as a multi-region import. This could be due to Pioneer's May 13, 2013 New Medium Term Plan. Hopefully, if Pioneer does decide to release Blu-ray players in the coming years, they won't have any of the problems the 2011-2013 models had. We'll just have to wait and see. So it looks like I'll be either using my Yamaha BD-A1010 via analog with my 2006-model Yamaha HTR-5935 receiver so I get pure, high-quality SACD playback, or else go back to my Pioneer Elite VSX-32 2010 receiver's HDMI connections and use my BDP-23FD for jitterless audio from my Blu-rays, DVDs, and CDs, and my Pioneer Elite DV-58AV for SACD played back as multi-channel PCM at 88.2 KHz, or two-channel PCM at 176.4 KHz. Of course, the built-in speakers on my new Samsung UN40F5000 are good enough that I can wait and see what Pioneer decides to do before I lug receivers back and forth according to their plans.
Edited by Big C - 9/27/13 at 8:38pm
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Press release (mid june 2013) on the BDP-160
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/newsroom/news/press-release-BDP-160/page.html
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Well, the 160 will add built-in Wifi, as well as Wifi Direct, which allows wireless connection to smartphones. After replacing the BDP-52FD/53FD/440 with the BDP-62FD/450 and dropping 480i/576i via HDMI and Composite video, as well as adding a few extra file formats, the only way for the new BDP-72FD/460 to compete with Oppo, Philips, Sony, Yamaha, etc. would be to include 4k playback and upscaling, dual-core processing, and HDMI native/original/source-direct on the video side of things. For audio, they should add the ability to play back DSD files like on their receivers at 2.8 and 5.6 MHz, as well as the ability to choose between DSD-to-PCM conversion at 88.2 KHz or 176.4 KHz. This would make the new BDP-72FD/460 the first player to send DSD-to-PCM at 176.4 KHz with PQLS capability! Also, playing directly-ripped DVDs and Blu-ray discs by loading them the same way a disc would be loaded (by launching the 'VIDEO_TS.IFO' or 'INDEX.BDMV' files respectively) would be another nice feature!
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Wow! I can't believe how quiet it is on the Pioneer 2013 Blu-ray front! I'm not just talking here at AVS. I love my Elite VSX-32 AVR. Right now, I use a Yamaha HTR-5935 and Yamaha BD-A1010 via analog because of my SACD playback preferences, yet I'd really like to go back to HDMI and PQLS, since the VSX-32 is a really nice AVR! I am not interested in the Pioneer BDP-62FD mainly because it can't output 480i via HDMI. I would also like to have DSD-to-PCM conversion at 176.4 KHz. I am missing the format of Pioneer remotes and those menus with white text that highlights in blue when arrowing through the options, all on a grey background, all framed in black. Please, Pioneer, let your Elite/LX/flagship model for 2013 be the player we have long been waiting for from you!
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Some of the info found in the news releases from Pioneer of Japan mensioned something to do with optical disc. While I'm good with audio/video science, I'm not, and I'm sure a lot of us, are not as good with all the legal and business jargan. In case anyone who has an idea of what's going on stumbles upon this post of mine, when do you think we could expect something like a flagship BDP-72FD, BDP-73FD, BDP-460, BDP-LX57, etc.?
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I notice that their 2013 flagship receivers are using ESS Saber 32-bit DACs. Considering that they feature PQLS, I can't imagine they would abandon optical disc. Yet I know something's going on. The rest of the world gets a new BDP-160, while North America still has the BDP-62FD/150. I notice that Walkamo hasn't posted in a while. Usually, there are roomers about what's to come. I'm thinking that for Pioneer's own good, that maybe they're keeping things as quiet as possible so that consumers aren't misled by roomers. Who knows! If they decide to have a 2014 receiver, HTiB, and BD player lineup ready in time for next year's CES event, then I might have to rename this thread 'The Pioneer BDP-82FD/83FD/170/470/LX58 2014 Blu-ray Player Thread.' Now that would be something! On the other hand, wouldn't they want to come out with matching players for the 2013 product lineup to be used with the iControlAV2013 APP? But even the things I'm saying are only guesses. As much reason I have to think of these as possible sinarios, they still are only guesses because except for the BDP-160, there are no official announcements regarding from Pioneer regarding Blu-ray players for this year, except for those official news releases from Japan I keep posting links to, which I would like explained regarding what Pioneer is doing regarding optical disc.
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I bet the 160 will show up in the US eventually. I have looked a few times for anything on the overseas 460 model and have found nothing, That model would most likely be almost identical to any US elite model. The Marantz 2013-2014 product catalog only lists their 2012 models in it. So I guess it might be possible that Pioneer, Denon and Marantz don't release new 2013 models(other than the pioneer 160). Unless Pioneer is going to completely overhaul the 62fd and finally fix the quirks of the 50 and 60 series they really shouldn't even bother with a new Elite model. We will see soon I guess:)
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After all the wining and worrying I've been doing over here, guess what. I finally got a surprise for you! While it doesn't go into specifics, it did mension a new range of Blu-ray players! So I guess if Pioneer was going to withdraw from the optical disc business, we'd know, just like in the days when we had to accept the sad news of withdrawing from the plasma Kuro business and forming a joint venture with Sharp for optical disc players. Thank God the joint venture with Sharp didn't last! I was thinking about having someone pick me up a BDP-62FD at Best Buy because of the supersale, but now I think I'm going to wait and see if Pioneer finally gets their act together with the 2013 range. Enjoy the link above!
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At least some news about...
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I yhink they should fix the BDP-53 and BDP-62 problems before releasing anything. I finally gave up on Pioneer BD players. mad.gif
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Hello people, I'm a newbie and a novice with Blu Ray players having just bought my first one today - a Pioneer BDP-160.

My motivation for getting it is music dvd's and audio more than visual really but am very impressed by what I've seen and heard so far. It will play every kind of audio and video file that I can throw at it and every type of disc too - including DVD-A's which is strange because according to all the research I'd done it's not meant to - can anyone explain this please?

Also, can anyone recommend a quality cable to go from the Blu Ray to my hi fi amp please - many thanks (I'm in the UK by the way).
post #12 of 68
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Originally Posted by Steve901 View Post

Hello people, I'm a newbie and a novice with Blu Ray players having just bought my first one today - a Pioneer BDP-160.

My motivation for getting it is music dvd's and audio more than visual really but am very impressed by what I've seen and heard so far. It will play every kind of audio and video file that I can throw at it and every type of disc too - including DVD-A's which is strange because according to all the research I'd done it's not meant to - can anyone explain this please?

Also, can anyone recommend a quality cable to go from the Blu Ray to my hi fi amp please - many thanks (I'm in the UK by the way).
I don't own any DVD-As, but from what I understand, some DVD-As also have compressed Dolby Digital and/or DTS streams contained in a VIDEO_TS\*.VOB container so that players not compatible with DVD-A can still play the disc. The big problem with this is that you won't be hearing the high quality streams in the AUDIO_TS\*.AOB container because non-compatible players don't look for it. Is there an OSD or DISPLAY button on the remote for the BDP-160 you could press while you're playing the disc so you could prove me right or wrong? Occasionally, either players will play things their manuals don't state, or else things their manuals specificly state they can't play actually play just fine. But if you could press either OSD or DISPLAY while the disc is playing, it should tell you whether you're playing a DVD, DVD-VIDEO, or DVD-AUDIO, as well as whether the audio is Dolby Digital, DTS, LPCM, or PCM. While I don't buy Oppo's players, I do buy their cables because the quality you're getting at such a low price is unbelievable! Another nice thing about the Pioneer Blu-ray players with the MediaTek CPU is that their DVD sections could be made region-free with a special IR signal, even with the current Pioneer firmware, as well as after you install updates from Pioneer.
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Thanks for your reply Big C. I tried two different DVD-A discs and tried all of the different sound options and each time when pressing the Display button got the answer 'DVD-Video MPEG' which sounds as though you are correct. I assume this means that I am getting better sound from my DVD-A's on my old DVD player than on my new Blu Ray rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Steve901 View Post

Thanks for your reply Big C. I tried two different DVD-A discs and tried all of the different sound options and each time when pressing the Display button got the answer 'DVD-Video MPEG' which sounds as though you are correct. I assume this means that I am getting better sound from my DVD-A's on my old DVD player than on my new Blu Ray rolleyes.gif
If your old DVD player specificly states that it plays DVD-AUDIO, then you'd be better off using your old DVD player for DVD-AUDIO. If you prefer Pioneer, the BDP-450 will play DVD-AUDIO via HDMI, and hopefully will get a successor such as a BDP-460. If you don't need analog audio, and would be willing to go with another brand, try Denon, Marantz, Oppo, or Yamaha.
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My old Acoustic Solutions DVD player from 2001 does sound good for DVD-A's. It doesn't state that it plays them, doesn't even mention them but it has it's own dedicated headphone socket with volume control and I hear things through that that I have never heard on the CD versions of albums.. Yes, I could have gone for the Pioneer BDP-450 but was wondering about whether it was really worth the extra expense. The trouble is you don't know until you get it!
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Originally Posted by Steve901 View Post

My old Acoustic Solutions DVD player from 2001 does sound good for DVD-A's. It doesn't state that it plays them, doesn't even mention them but it has it's own dedicated headphone socket with volume control and I hear things through that that I have never heard on the CD versions of albums.. Yes, I could have gone for the Pioneer BDP-450 but was wondering about whether it was really worth the extra expense. The trouble is you don't know until you get it!
I hate to burst your bubble, but your Acoustic Solutions player might be playing the DVD-VIDEO section, especially if it to didn't state that it plays DVD-A. I think you'd better find out how you could check it out during playback, or else, watch and see what comes up during the disc loading process. If the Acoustic Solutions says DVD-AUDIO, then I'm glad for you. However, if it says DVD-VIDEO, then I'm so sorry that you weren't somehow made aware of this years ago! Because the Pioneer BDP-450 specificly stated DVD-AUDIO, if you could have aforded it, you would have been better off. Or else, check out one of the Denons, Marantzes, or Yamahas. I think Oppo now sells in the UK as well. Good luck!
post #17 of 68
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I hope I'm wrong, but if Home Theater Forum's YouTube interview with Pioneer at CEDIA yesterday discussed Pioneer's plans for the fall season, it doesn't look like we'le be seeing any new Blu-ray players this year! That's strange being that Europe got the BDP-160. Has anyone checked out the links to Pioneer of Japan in my earlier posts? After reading through the press articles, I remember reading something about the optical disc business, but I didn't fully understand it. I'm hoping that someone else here understands and can tell us whether to expect any more Blu-ray players from Pioneer any time soon. If not, then I might have to change this thread to the Pioneer BDP-82FD/83FD/170/470/LX58 2014 Blu-ray player thread. Although I guess I could just leave this thread as is, as long as the BDP-160 does exist.
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I found that article I was talking about. On May 13, 2013, Pioneer announced a new medium-term plan , stating that they'd be streamlining the optical disc business. What do you guys think this will mean as far as if and when Pioneer will release any new Blu-ray players?
Edited by Big C - 9/27/13 at 11:13am
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that is correct. Pioneer is NOT releasing any BD player until next year. As much as I loved (and still love) Pioneer as a brand, and have just put an order for its latest Elite receiver, I don't think I'll ever buy another Pioneer BD player. It's overpriced (at least in Canada) for what it can do.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

that is correct. Pioneer is NOT releasing any BD player until next year. As much as I loved (and still love) Pioneer as a brand, and have just put an order for its latest Elite receiver, I don't think I'll ever buy another Pioneer BD player. It's overpriced (at least in Canada) for what it can do.
I guess I'll renaim this thread for the European BDP-160. Who knows. Walkamo brought up my suggestions at a confrence in Japan in June of 2012, probibly right after the BDP-62FD and the BDP-450 had already been manufactured. So hopefully, my suggestions will be incorporated into the 2014 models--that is unless everything Walkamo discussed at that confrence became forgotten due to Pioneer's medium-term plan.

David, if the BDP-52FD/53FD/62FD/140/150/160/440/450/LX55's IR sensors worked better, they were capable of 480i via HDMI for SD DVD playback, they converted DSD to PCM at 176.4 KHz as announced, and they didn't have the ethernet/wifi/network dropout issues, they would have been perfect. I think that all Pioneer has to do is find OEMs other than Sharp or TCL, such as BBK, Inkel(sp), LiteOn, Philips, Pioneer, Shurwood(sp), or Sony. Who was Yamaha's OEM for the BD-A1000, BD-A1010, and BD-A1020? If Pioneer could take those, load their firmware on them, and add PQLS to them, they would be perfect! It would be just like a faster, high-quality version of a BDP-05FD/09FD/23FD/51FD/320/LX52/LX71/LX91. They would use the latest version of the MediaTek CPU, (or the faster CPU in Denon's and Marantz's players), and they would be at least as fast and responsive as Pioneer's DV-46AV/48AV/49AV/58AV/600AV/610AV/696AV. Then you and I would love their players as much as we used to. Because of Pioneer's reputation for high quality at mid price, I would imagine they will get it right again so they could return to their near mainstream status--even with their audiophile features--just like with the DV-46AV/48AV/49AV/50A/58AV/59AVI/79AVI/563A/565A/575A/578A/585A/588A/600AV/610AV/696AV/969AVI/989AVI/LX50. They have to! I mean ... Don't you find it scary that Oppo, a company who isn't mainstream like JVC, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Toshiba is doing better via online sales than a near mainstream company such as Pioneer?
Edited by Big C - 9/28/13 at 7:42am
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I just bought this player a couple of days ago. Wifi seems to work fine but having no success with the youtube feature. Browser will initialise, search for video fine, hit play and that's where it just stops basically. Get an advertisement with a small box saying video will start in 1 second but then nothing. If I try to exit, The player comes up with the 'browser exiting please wait' screen but it never exits? That screen will just stay there. No other buttons will work, not even the power button, you have to physically turn the unit off at the wall??? The network connection is fine, wifi strength is around 60% so not sure what is going on. I initially thought it might be a signal issue but my laptop and phone which when connected to the same router all have good strength in the same room as the blu-ray. If it were a bandwidth/wifi issue, I'm confused as to why the screen freezes when trying to exit? Am I missing something basic that needs to be installed?

 

Can anyone help with this issue?

 

Cheers

 

CJ

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I too would be interested in a solution to this issue as set out above by CharlieBravo. Two BDP-160s I tried in Australia in the last 24 hours froze with the "browser exiting, please wait..." message, even with an ethernet connection. It's possible the Youtube site or the player software is looking for an actual logging in to Youtube, but it ought to be possible to access YouTube "anonymously". (Certainly an old Panasonic TV set of mine has no trouble accessing Youtube.) I have logged a support request with Pioneer and am awaiting a response.
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MLXXX - I take it that by trying 2 players that you took the first one back and exchanged it? That was my next step but sounds like it doesn't fix the problem. I haven't tried signing in to youtube so will try that to see if it makes a difference. Another thing I'm noticing is after switching it off at the wall, it needs to be left off for at least a couple of minutes or it will not switch back on. I have had a few issues like this. The wife had trouble this morning as well with the player freezing, the only solution was switching it off at the wall. So not impressed by this player so far. The selling point for me was the RCA audio out slots at he back to plug it in to my old surround sound system. Could you also point me to the link for pioneer support? I will lodge a request too.
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Yes, I assumed the first player was faulty and returned it, but when the replacement player had exactly the same issue I realised it was more likely something affecting all players. The retailer could offer no explanation.

I simply went onto the Australian website for Pioneer, navigated to support, contact us, and "Send us an email". I did that yesterday but received no reply during business hours today, Monday [my time]. I will post again if/when I get info from Pioneer.

P.S. I had no trouble getting the two players to start up again after I pulled out the power cord for a few seconds.
Edited by MLXXX - 9/30/13 at 4:29am
post #25 of 68
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Looks like another player designed by TCL, just like the BDP-52FD/53FD/62FD/140/150/440/450/LX55--with the network freeze-ups and God knows what else! It's amazing how Pioneer could claim that it's not economically possible to stay in the TV business and make their own players and decide to streamline the optical disc business, yet start manufacturing components for Cycle Sports and the medical and healthcare fields! If their doing well enough to manufacture components for two new categories, then instead of getting into new categories, why don't they just resume what they've done best--TVs and optical disc players!
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Pioneer Australia have advised me:
At the present moment, the issue "Youtube access with BDP-160 – “browser exiting” message" is under investigation with the Pioneer parent company in Japan.
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That's the exact same response when I asked Pioneer about the lip-sync issue on their BDP-62.
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Mine is not recognising the "I am Legend" BD (Region B). works on my other two players ie Sony Region B and Panasonic. Other region B's fed it seem to work fine. Wonder if someone can give the Region A title a spin in the USA with this player?

Sad because I hate the look of the other players. Very cheap and nasty.
Edited by con219 - 10/4/13 at 6:54pm
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Frustration got the better of me and I swapped this over for the Sony 5100 and can report back leaves the Pio for dead in pq and plays everything I have put in it
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Frustration got the better of me and I swapped this over for the Sony 5100 and can report back leaves the Pio for dead in pq and plays everything I have put in it
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