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Poll Results: Do You Prefer Plasma or LED-LCD TVs?

 
  • 81% (564)
    Plasma
  • 18% (125)
    LED-LCD
689 Total Votes  
post #211 of 496
I agree,it was probably calibrated. Still don't think they are worth it. My ST60 looked as good.
post #212 of 496
I had a Panasonic 42 inch plasma (EDTV, 480p) from 2004 or 2005. Still have it...It looks great. I decided to get a slightly larger size screen with similar outside dimensions. I decided to get a LED/LCD LG 47LM6400 (thin bezel TV). Outside dimensions are slightly smaller than my old 42 inch plasma, but of course the picture is larger. I've been frustrated with the picture quality of this LED TV. I really like the bigger size, and the wifi feature is nice for sharing videos and photos from my smartphone. I've tried a couple picture calibration discs (Disney Wow, and THX), I used the settings from CNET and the settings from another site that's blacklisted here on AVS. I have light bleed on the top edge of the TV. The black looks blotchy gray. It isn't terrible, it's just surprising that an 8 year old Plasma TV has a better picture than a mid level LED/LCD TV from 2012. My picture is dialed in pretty well now, but some scenes with a lot of outside bright sunlight, the people/colors looked washed out or over exposed. I'm not sure if this can be corrected with picture settings. Plus, on top of all of these issues the screen is very glossy unlike the typical matte screens on some LCD/LED TVs. Therefore, I get a ton of reflections from a door and light behind the TV. Thinking about selling this TV for a loss and buying a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma. Obviously, My vote is for PLASMA! Even a 480p eight year old plasma is superior to a 1080p 2012 LED edge lit LCD TV.
post #213 of 496
My room is lit pretty good and the glare on my ST60 doesn't bother me at all. In fact,if it wasn't for the way the plasma panel is,it wouldn't look as deep in color. I don't like the Matte screens. There are trade off's for everything. It just depends on what you want to put up with..
post #214 of 496
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

The top LCd this year is the Sony 4K 65X900A Edge Lit Dimming Samsung 4K Full Array Local Dimming UN85S9. You easily forget when it comes in handy smile.gif

It's not yet available for my review nor I have any experience with it. I'm only talking from first-hand experience and not from "some spec said so" or "I read it somewhere" experience.

So... Have YOU personally compared the ZT60 vs UN85S9? No? Then your comment is not valid.
post #215 of 496
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

Ya,not so much.. I stopped by BB last night after reading the drivel on this thread. #1 LED's are unnaturally bright. #2 The weird motion LED's tv's produce drives me crazy. They had the new Sony 4k there also. It looked really good,almost like my plasma. Avengers was playing and I didn't see that weird motion I see on others,also it wasn't bright like most LED's. It was very nice looking,but for $5999,no thanks..

Why $6K is too much for one of the best TV available? The Kuro was priced higher than that, the Sharp Elites were priced higher than that. With the amazing built-in scaler, one should see it as buying a $4,000 TV with a $2,000 scaler. Yes, the scaler is THAT good.
post #216 of 496
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

My room is lit pretty good and the glare on my ST60 doesn't bother me at all. In fact,if it wasn't for the way the plasma panel is,it wouldn't look as deep in color. I don't like the Matte screens. There are trade off's for everything. It just depends on what you want to put up with..

Agreed. I have the 65" ST60 in the living room with a big bay window, daytime viewing is fine, I would have been worried with an S60 without the AR filter though - its like a 65" mirror starring at you tongue.gif

Picture doesn't really do justice since its taken from the side to show the room/window. When viewing from the front the glare/reflections is/are extremely minimized biggrin.gif

post #217 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo 

It's not yet available for my review nor I have any experience with it. I'm only talking from first-hand experience and not from "some spec said so" or "I read it somewhere" experience.

So... Have YOU personally compared the ZT60 vs UN85S9? No? Then your comment is not valid.

In general a Full Array Local Dimming will have a better PQ than a Edge Lit Dimming. The UN85S9 - top of the line 2013 Samsung - will probably be the number one 2013 LCd wether you like it or not. The X900A will certainly not be the top 2013 LCd...
post #218 of 496
"Probably" is the keyword. Until it's been tested and compared, it's all assumptions and conjenctures.
post #219 of 496
I have been a LCD person for a long time. I think it was because most of my TVs were small and at the time I bought them there was a decent price difference between the small plasmas and small LCDs and a distinct like of choice at the small-size tvs in the plasma realm.

I've accumulated 5 TVs for my house, all LCDs. 3 of them are 40" or less, one is a 50" and one is a 55" LED-LCD (the UN55B8500 from a few years ago). I am now replacing the UN55B8500 with a Panasonic ST60 (Plasma). Ironically when I bought the B8500 it was because the reviews had said it "approached plasma" in terms of PQ. I do not remember why I didn't clue into that at the time, but based on many factors (extremely bright room, misinformation, used to lcd from previous buys, etc) I opted in to LED/LCD over plasma.

Time has passed and I finally got over the LCD thing. Light is no longer a factor. I think the issue was that I had bought small LCDs and then when it was time to buy bigger TVs, I stuck with what had worked for me. I do remember being concerned with IR, burn-in and "buzzing" back then so I bought the b8500 instead of a Panasonic Plasma. Thanks to sites like this, I finally got over my worries and decided to switch to Plasma.

Now, take what I say with a grain of salt. The ST60 hasn't arrived yet -- its due to be delivered early next week, so I haven't seen it. I am trusting the reputation of reviewers at this point. If that TV turns out to be as good as they say (and it beats down the UN55B8500, which it _should_) I will be buying plasmas until the next great display tech comes along.

So count me as a NEW Plasma customer.
post #220 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Why $6K is too much for one of the best TV available? The Kuro was priced higher than that, the Sharp Elites were priced higher than that. With the amazing built-in scaler, one should see it as buying a $4,000 TV with a $2,000 scaler. Yes, the scaler is THAT good.

My point is,why spend $5999 on the new Sony when my ST60 looks as good? Plus,most of us with new tv's will probably wait for OLED anyhow.

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Originally Posted by sirh View Post

I have been a LCD person for a long time. I think it was because most of my TVs were small and at the time I bought them there was a decent price difference between the small plasmas and small LCDs and a distinct like of choice at the small-size tvs in the plasma realm.

I've accumulated 5 TVs for my house, all LCDs. 3 of them are 40" or less, one is a 50" and one is a 55" LED-LCD (the UN55B8500 from a few years ago). I am now replacing the UN55B8500 with a Panasonic ST60 (Plasma). Ironically when I bought the B8500 it was because the reviews had said it "approached plasma" in terms of PQ. I do not remember why I didn't clue into that at the time, but based on many factors (extremely bright room, misinformation, used to lcd from previous buys, etc) I opted in to LED/LCD over plasma.

Time has passed and I finally got over the LCD thing. Light is no longer a factor. I think the issue was that I had bought small LCDs and then when it was time to buy bigger TVs, I stuck with what had worked for me. I do remember being concerned with IR, burn-in and "buzzing" back then so I bought the b8500 instead of a Panasonic Plasma. Thanks to sites like this, I finally got over my worries and decided to switch to Plasma.

Now, take what I say with a grain of salt. The ST60 hasn't arrived yet -- its due to be delivered early next week, so I haven't seen it. I am trusting the reputation of reviewers at this point. If that TV turns out to be as good as they say (and it beats down the UN55B8500, which it _should_) I will be buying plasmas until the next great display tech comes along.



So count me as a NEW Plasma customer.

You will love your ST60! No doubt about it! The deep colors,accurate blacks and smooth motion for movies will make you smile! My plasma does not buzz,does it get a little warm,yes..Can you fry an egg on it,not even close. Trust me,you will love it!
post #221 of 496
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Originally Posted by Goat1 View Post

large has nothing to do with it. Its just very weird to watch and I know most guys know what I'm talking about.. I also think my Panny ST60 has a better picture. I am no way saying LED's are garbage,they aren't. Its just not for everyone just like Plasma's.
You can turn that weird effect off, ya know. It causes the unatural motion.
post #222 of 496
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

You can turn that weird effect off, ya know. It causes the unatural motion.

Hah, this post gave me a good chuckle. smile.gif
post #223 of 496
Icon13 posted:
"PS: Anybody who thinks LCD is better is just not educated enough in terms of what PQ actually is; lack of knowledge. If they took the time to learn a bit they would surely be embarassed for their ignorrance. How can some shmuck actually go against the word, and wisdom of every professional calibrator out there and still think they are correct?"

I'm sorry everyone who is of the opinion that LCD is better is not as educated as you are about picture quality. It's not a matter of being correct, it is what works for the viewer in their environment. (Schmuck is the correct spelling, by the way.)
post #224 of 496
I love plasma, I have 3 of them, but some people just prefer LCD. As I previously mentioned, this thread has nothing to do with objective measurements but about preference. So if someone prefer LCD, why not? After all, it's only entertainment biggrin.gif
post #225 of 496
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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Hah, this post gave me a good chuckle. smile.gif
I was referring to frame interpolation... that is the cause of unatural motion. Regardless, plasma handles motion far better.
post #226 of 496
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post


...And contrary to one of the last posters above, I will never, EVER, EVER buy another TV which does not have reflections again!! Reflections mean a clearer, sharper picture, which is a necessary trade-off in my book. smile.gif

I can't agree with you here. While a clear-screen will provide much better contrast on average, the trade-off in reflection is awful. Reflectivity is one of my most hated flaws in some tv models and the trend of LCD/LED tv's going glossy screens with added reflectivity is disturbing to me as I can't seem to find a high-end LED TV that isn't reflective. It's driving me crazy. I'm almost ready to upgrade my HDTV and am hoping to find something matte or semi-matte soon....
post #227 of 496
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Originally Posted by sirh View Post

I have been a LCD person for a long time. I think it was because most of my TVs were small and at the time I bought them there was a decent price difference between the small plasmas and small LCDs and a distinct like of choice at the small-size tvs in the plasma realm.

I've accumulated 5 TVs for my house, all LCDs. 3 of them are 40" or less, one is a 50" and one is a 55" LED-LCD (the UN55B8500 from a few years ago). I am now replacing the UN55B8500 with a Panasonic ST60 (Plasma). Ironically when I bought the B8500 it was because the reviews had said it "approached plasma" in terms of PQ. I do not remember why I didn't clue into that at the time, but based on many factors (extremely bright room, misinformation, used to lcd from previous buys, etc) I opted in to LED/LCD over plasma.

Time has passed and I finally got over the LCD thing. Light is no longer a factor. I think the issue was that I had bought small LCDs and then when it was time to buy bigger TVs, I stuck with what had worked for me. I do remember being concerned with IR, burn-in and "buzzing" back then so I bought the b8500 instead of a Panasonic Plasma. Thanks to sites like this, I finally got over my worries and decided to switch to Plasma.

Now, take what I say with a grain of salt. The ST60 hasn't arrived yet -- its due to be delivered early next week, so I haven't seen it. I am trusting the reputation of reviewers at this point. If that TV turns out to be as good as they say (and it beats down the UN55B8500, which it _should_) I will be buying plasmas until the next great display tech comes along.

So count me as a NEW Plasma customer.

I had the same concerns and I still do. I have personally experienced several PDP Tv's with extreme Image Retention, which is unacceptable to me. Even more unacceptable is a highly reflective screen. It bugged me so much during the days of CRT's that I would arrange the lights in my living room around the placement of my TV's. And then when I moved in with my girlfriend (now wife) she always wanted to put the lights where they reflected directly off the screen, which drove me mad, but of course, she didn't want to move the TV to fix the issue. I hate, HATE, HATE reflections more than anything.

And now I have a living room with a sliding glass door about 35 degrees from my HDTV, which happens to be a matte screen LCD and you know what? NO REFLECTIONS! I never, ever want to go back to glossy. Unfortunately I fear I may have to. I want a Sony full array LED for my next TV, but I fear they may be too reflective.

Don't get me wrong though. Picture quality on PDP tv's are great. The best picture I've ever seen was on a Pioneer Elite. It was gorgeous and if I had the capability of completely controlling the light in the viewing room, I would put in the closest equivalent I could find. But for now, that's not possible, so until then, its LCD/LED for me.
post #228 of 496
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

I was referring to frame interpolation... that is the cause of unatural motion. Regardless, plasma handles motion far better.

Weird, my quote got messed up. I was quoting:

"PS: Anybody who thinks LCD is better is just not educated enough in terms of what PQ actually is; lack of knowledge. If they took the time to learn a bit they would surely be embarassed for their ignorrance. How can some shmuck actually go against the word, and wisdom of every professional calibrator out there and still think they are correct?""

Somehow it became altered.
post #229 of 496
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Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

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Originally Posted by freemeat View Post

Hah, this post gave me a good chuckle. smile.gif
I was referring to frame interpolation... that is the cause of unatural motion. Regardless, plasma handles motion far better.

post #230 of 496
I have been very much obsessed with finding and watching the best PQ I can find for many years now. I have to admit that I have never seen a Kuro display, but I have also never seen a plasma that was worth watching either. I have seen high end Pannys, LGs, and Samsungs galore, some calibrated, some not. To me not one of them can hold a candle to todays LED/LCD tvs (or for the last 3 years for that matter). Yes plasmas have better blacks and better viewing angles but it stops there. What good are deep blacks when every other color is muted and dull? My brother has last years flagship Samsung 58" plasma and payed for a professional calibration and it doesn't even look as good as the Toshiba LCD TV I bought over 4 years ago. The biggest thing that I don't understand is how people rant and rave about motion on plasmas. Motion is much smoother and looks much better on LEDs than on plasmas. The motion on a plasma display is so blurry that I can't even watch it. There is a reason why plasmas cost 40% to 70% less, it is just a lesser product no matter how you look at it. I will be glad the day every manufacturer stops making them.
post #231 of 496
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Originally Posted by themrclean View Post

I have been very much obsessed with finding and watching the best PQ I can find for many years now. I have to admit that I have never seen a Kuro display, but I have also never seen a plasma that was worth watching either. I have seen high end Pannys, LGs, and Samsungs galore, some calibrated, some not. To me not one of them can hold a candle to todays LED/LCD tvs (or for the last 3 years for that matter). Yes plasmas have better blacks and better viewing angles but it stops there. What good are deep blacks when every other color is muted and dull? My brother has last years flagship Samsung 58" plasma and payed for a professional calibration and it doesn't even look as good as the Toshiba LCD TV I bought over 4 years ago. The biggest thing that I don't understand is how people rant and rave about motion on plasmas. Motion is much smoother and looks much better on LEDs than on plasmas. The motion on a plasma display is so blurry that I can't even watch it. There is a reason why plasmas cost 40% to 70% less, it is just a lesser product no matter how you look at it. I will be glad the day every manufacturer stops making them.

wow really
post #232 of 496
post #233 of 496
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Originally Posted by themrclean View Post

I have been very much obsessed with finding and watching the best PQ I can find for many years now. I have to admit that I have never seen a Kuro display, but I have also never seen a plasma that was worth watching either. I have seen high end Pannys, LGs, and Samsungs galore, some calibrated, some not. To me not one of them can hold a candle to todays LED/LCD tvs (or for the last 3 years for that matter). Yes plasmas have better blacks and better viewing angles but it stops there. What good are deep blacks when every other color is muted and dull? My brother has last years flagship Samsung 58" plasma and payed for a professional calibration and it doesn't even look as good as the Toshiba LCD TV I bought over 4 years ago. The biggest thing that I don't understand is how people rant and rave about motion on plasmas. Motion is much smoother and looks much better on LEDs than on plasmas. The motion on a plasma display is so blurry that I can't even watch it. There is a reason why plasmas cost 40% to 70% less, it is just a lesser product no matter how you look at it. I will be glad the day every manufacturer stops making them.

Wow! Other than this year's model, Samsung never had "high-end"'plasma. LG never had and never will have "high-end" plasma. So your notion of "high-end" is already severely skewed.

Muted colours? Then the owner should call that professional calibrator and ask for his money back!

And no, the reason you mentioned have ZERO connection why plasma costs "40% to 70% less". Until this coming June, the ONLY high-end plasma is the Kuro, which you admittely have never seen.

rolleyes.gif
post #234 of 496
post #235 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Wow! Other than this year's model, Samsung never had "high-end"'plasma. LG never had and never will have "high-end" plasma. So your notion of "high-end" is already severely skewed.

Muted colours? Then the owner should call that professional calibrator and ask for his money back!

And no, the reason you mentioned have ZERO connection why plasma costs "40% to 70% less". Until this coming June, the ONLY high-end plasma is the Kuro, which you admittely have never seen.

rolleyes.gif


I don't think that he's heard about the upcoming release of that ZT you're referring to David.. maybe that would change his opinion on things.. nahh I doubt it tongue.gif
post #236 of 496
By high end I mean their top model, sorry if that is confusing for you. I have been to several home theater stores and have seen most of the top models and most were calibrated and none of them impressed me in the slightest. I guess I am just pickier than most of you are.
post #237 of 496
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Originally Posted by themrclean View Post

By high end I mean their top model, sorry if that is confusing for you. I have been to several home theater stores and have seen most of the top models and most were calibrated and none of them impressed me in the slightest. I guess I am just pickier than most of you are.

A top model Kia is still not high end.

I thought he explained the various plasma options on the market quite well to be honest with you
post #238 of 496
post #239 of 496
If you're the kind that thinks that your spanking new LED-backlit LCD TV is better just because it's expensive, think again because here are five areas where plasma TVs are better than LEDs and LCDs.


http://tech2.in.com/features/hdtvs/five-areas-where-the-plasma-tv-beats-the-pants-off-your-lcdled-tv/872436
post #240 of 496
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Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite View Post

Fortunately my LCD doesn't have THAT problem.

What my LCD does have is massive flashlighting. Its not obvious with most content, but when the screen has a dark scene...oy vey!

But I still hate reflections more, so matte LCD it is for me for now.

My wife is with you! She wants an 84" for the basement. Told her we have to wait until the 4K gets straightened out. Didn't want to wait. Told her ALL of todays TVs are Reflective! Well you keep looking until you get me an 84" Non-Reflective, 4K or not. Well then I guess this Reflective issue means I won't have to shell any monies anytime soon!
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