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Poll Results: Do You Prefer Plasma or LED-LCD TVs?

 
  • 81% (564)
    Plasma
  • 18% (125)
    LED-LCD
689 Total Votes  
post #421 of 496
All I can add is my ownership experience and my great eye sight. I have owned a CRT 65" MITS, it was great for movies. I then owned a Sony 60 inch SXRD. It had better overall PQ than the mits on just about everything and had less pixel problems with sports. Of course some people are quick to jump on the tv for pixeling during sports when in reality it can be the broadcast signal itself. I have found that 1080i signals like CBS uses for college and pro sports are much more pixel prone than ABC's 720p resolution choice. In fact I never saw a single pixel on my Mits or SXRD when watching sports broadcast in 720p. So its not always the tv's fault like so many would have you believe. Anyways, onward here. My next HDTV was a vizio 37 inch LCD for the master bedroom. All in all I couldnt tell much difference in the SXRD and the Vizio LCD on PQ or pixel problems. Now, with all this said, I loved every single one of those TV's, I thought they were all great TV's, especially for the price I paid for them at the time. I still have the vizio in the bedroom and as long as it keeps running I'll just keep it. The mits burned in the sides because we ran too much 4:3 content and I hated stretching the picture because it looked so unnatural. The SXRD went thru 4 lamps and finally suffered the green blob. So, I now have a Samsung PN596500D, 3D/Smart tv. I could do without the 3D, to me its basically useless and I'll never buy another 3D unless I have no other choice. The smart TV would be great if I lived in an area where we could get faster speeds than DSL 1.5mb.....slow slow slow....hard to buffer anything at that speed. So, onto the Samsung Plasma I now own. Hands down, no competition its by far the best HDTV I have ever owned. PQ is out of this world good! We love the tv. We have lots of windows and lots of ambient light. Still, the plasma does not reflect as badly as some would say and we work during the day so the tv doesnt get used much then. But at night...oh my Gosh.....the monster comes out to play! WOW what a picture....and the sports, well it doesnt matter what the resolution is, 1080i, 720p, it all looks spectacular!

We bought our plasma from Best buy 2 years ago. I remember seeing the newer LCDs being promoted by the store but for me to it was a best buy employee who suggested I take a hard look at the plasma sets. I did not want burn in problems. After my mits set burned in, I never wanted that problem anymore. However, I read up about how plasma had fixed most of the burn in issues. After comparing the PQ in the store, I became very heavily interested in the plasma's. Like so many have said, in the store it can be challenging to choose sets even if they are side by side. I asked the sales reps if I could play with the remotes and they were ok with it. I began resetting the tv's to more normal settings for viewing. At first they were a little dark but as your eyes adjust it all comes back up into focus for you. Straight on I could tell the plasmas just had a deeper more detailed picture. I then performed a test I had heard people talking about on here concerning viewing angles. As I began to move to the side of the sets I noticed the LCD sets begin to turn white and unfocused. The farther I moved the worse it got. If this were my living room, someone sitting on our couch or loveseat located on the side walls of the living room would not even be able to watch the LCD sets! All the while the plasma sets never lost anything. I could walk up to the wall, almost on a parallel plane with the tvs on the wall and the plasmas still held strong. With a plasma, you can watch it clean and clear until you actually pass the set and go behind it. I was amazed at its ability to keep the same PQ no matter where I stood. At this point it was just a choice of Samsung or Panasonic? Which plasma should I take home? I know folks have their own opinions and I respect those, but for me I just had to go with the one that my eyes told me was the best. In my case the samsung set had a little better PQ than the Panasonics I saw. In the end, regardless of the brand, to me the plasma technology stood out for its superior performance and for the bang for buck. The LCD's I was comparing the Plasmas to were also $4,000 tvs while the plasmas were all running in the $1,600 range.

So, if you have'nt figured me out by now, I prefer Plasma for performance, price and longevity. (proven long term product)
post #422 of 496
Personally I prefer LED. Brighter colors and less energy used and that's just the first 2 things that come to mind. Plus the black levels on LED TV's are getting better and better and are slowly starting to match those of the best plasma's out there.
post #423 of 496
I quite honestly don't understand when people prefer something because of "brighter" or being "more colourful". After calibration, the brightness level and colour rendition of both plasma and LCD are identical.

LCD colour uniformity is still nowhere near plasma and other than being lighter and slightly less power hungry (again, after calibration), there is no other "positives" on the LCD side.
post #424 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I quite honestly don't understand when people prefer something because of "brighter" or being "more colourful". After calibration, the brightness level and colour rendition of both plasma and LCD are identical.

LCD colour uniformity is still nowhere near plasma and other than being lighter and slightly less power hungry (again, after calibration), there is no other "positives" on the LCD side.

At the recent Value Electronics HDTV shootout, the plasmas outperformed the LCDs (even Sony's 4K set) in pretty much every way, as all saw it. And the Samsung 8500 can put out plenty of light if need be, enough to compete with any LCD I would think.
post #425 of 496
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

At the recent Value Electronics HDTV shootout, the plasmas outperformed the LCDs (even Sony's 4K set) in pretty much every way, as all saw it. And the Samsung 8500 can put out plenty of light if need be, enough to compete with any LCD I would think.
I have t agree 100% with this statement. The new Samsung 8500 is an impressive plasma in that it can achieve almost as bright a picture as an LED so day viewing is a non issue anymore, and match up with the Panasonic Plasma's in 2D night viewing in terms of picture quality. The 3D viewing on the 8500 can achieve cinema quality brightness levels and achieve true blacks when wearing the 3D glasses. LED's do have an advantage in the showroom on an uncalobrated Dynamic mode which is why Plasma's don't sell as well in the real world market. This AVS poll should be a clear example that at least 90% of us videophiles will always pick plasma over LED/LCD, and the winner should be clear, even against 4K sets at their current prices since content is lacking. I remember the old Superbit DVD days and bought them all for that slight picture quality enhancement at the time. It seems this Sony mastered in 4K is going after the same niche market, however the implementation and movie choices haven't been as good as they can be.I did re-buy Ghostbusters for the tenth time and am glad I did, however Sony had to have known last year when releasing the blu-ray they were going to make both. They are just as bad as George Lucas. Sorry, got sidetracked, back on topic. I think for the most part OLED will perhaps kill off plasma at some point, but for now, plasma is King and will be for at least another year. I will be enjoying my 64 inch Samsung F8500 and keep on visiting AVS keeping up with all the latest news in the field. I can't wait until I can buy Pacific Rim and watch it in 3D at home. I recommend everyone to go and see it.
post #426 of 496
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

At the recent Value Electronics HDTV shootout, the plasmas outperformed the LCDs (even Sony's 4K set) in pretty much every way, as all saw it. And the Samsung 8500 can put out plenty of light if need be, enough to compete with any LCD I would think.

If Samsung could make that panel in a 75 inch model, I'd think about buying one.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I quite honestly don't understand when people prefer something because of "brighter" or being "more colourful". After calibration, the brightness level and colour rendition of both plasma and LCD are identical.

LCD colour uniformity is still nowhere near plasma and other than being lighter and slightly less power hungry (again, after calibration), there is no other "positives" on the LCD side.

Even though I prefer plasma, currently, there would be too much glare off the screen in our environment, so we bought a 70 LED with a matte finish to the screen. There are plenty of positives on the LCD side besides energy efficiency.

They don't buzz
No fans needed
Low heat output
Screen does not reflect light (some LED panels use a glass coating to improve contrast)
Low or no risk of image retention
Once calibrated, mid to higher level LED will deliver accurate color, contrast, and almost inky black levels
More reasonably priced than plasma as you scale up screen size beyond 65 inches. (The only plasma panels available larger than 65 inches are commercial grade units at a lofty price point)
Frameless design on some LED displays
Plasma does not offer 4K (yet)

The biggest plus for plasma are superior off axis viewing angles, and a better 3D experience, IMHO.
post #427 of 496
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

If Samsung could make that panel in a 75 inch model, I'd think about buying one.
Even though I prefer plasma, currently, there would be too much glare off the screen in our environment, so we bought a 70 LED with a matte finish to the screen. There are plenty of positives on the LCD side besides energy efficiency.

They don't buzz
No fans needed
Low heat output
Screen does not reflect light (some LED panels use a glass coating to improve contrast)
Low or no risk of image retention
Once calibrated, mid to higher level LED will deliver accurate color, contrast, and almost inky black levels
More reasonably priced than plasma as you scale up screen size beyond 65 inches. (The only plasma panels available larger than 65 inches are commercial grade units at a lofty price point)
Frameless design on some LED displays
Plasma does not offer 4K (yet)

The biggest plus for plasma are superior off axis viewing angles, and a better 3D experience, IMHO.

How do you deal with the motion on your LED TV? I have not to date seen one (120htz plus) that didn't have terrible soap effect. Did you just get used to it?
I recently had a friend over to watch OZ, he was blown away by the Blu ray and told me he didn't have a Blu ray player. He informed me that he had never gotten one since he had only seen Blu ray on LED TVS and assumed that the Blu ray was responsible for the soap effect. (He also owns a plasma)
post #428 of 496
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Originally Posted by Chris5028 View Post

How do you deal with the motion on your LED TV? I have not to date seen one (120htz plus) that didn't have terrible soap effect. Did you just get used to it?
I recently had a friend over to watch OZ, he was blown away by the Blu ray and told me he didn't have a Blu ray player. He informed me that he had never gotten one since he had only seen Blu ray on LED TVS and assumed that the Blu ray was responsible for the soap effect. (He also owns a plasma)

The Soap Opera effect (motion interpolation) can be turned off on LED TV's and Plasma's that have it as well.
post #429 of 496
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

If Samsung could make that panel in a 75 inch model, I'd think about buying one.
Even though I prefer plasma, currently, there would be too much glare off the screen in our environment, so we bought a 70 LED with a matte finish to the screen. There are plenty of positives on the LCD side besides energy efficiency.

They don't buzz
No fans needed
Low heat output
Screen does not reflect light (some LED panels use a glass coating to improve contrast)
Low or no risk of image retention
Once calibrated, mid to higher level LED will deliver accurate color, contrast, and almost inky black levels
More reasonably priced than plasma as you scale up screen size beyond 65 inches. (The only plasma panels available larger than 65 inches are commercial grade units at a lofty price point)
Frameless design on some LED displays
Plasma does not offer 4K (yet)

The biggest plus for plasma are superior off axis viewing angles, and a better 3D experience, IMHO.

The new plasmas don't buzz, don't use fans, the screens actually absorbs lights, also no risk of image retention, BETTER blacks, MUCh CHEAPER at 55" to 65" compared to similary quaity LCD.

As far being frameless, well I tend to look at the screen as opposed to the screen frame when I watch my TV. biggrin.gif
post #430 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

If Samsung could make that panel in a 75 inch model, I'd think about buying one.
Even though I prefer plasma, currently, there would be too much glare off the screen in our environment, so we bought a 70 LED with a matte finish to the screen. There are plenty of positives on the LCD side besides energy efficiency.

They don't buzz
No fans needed
Low heat output
Screen does not reflect light (some LED panels use a glass coating to improve contrast)
Low or no risk of image retention
Once calibrated, mid to higher level LED will deliver accurate color, contrast, and almost inky black levels
More reasonably priced than plasma as you scale up screen size beyond 65 inches. (The only plasma panels available larger than 65 inches are commercial grade units at a lofty price point)
Frameless design on some LED displays
Plasma does not offer 4K (yet)

The biggest plus for plasma are superior off axis viewing angles, and a better 3D experience, IMHO.

The new plasmas don't buzz, don't use fans, the screens actually absorbs lights, also no risk of image retention, BETTER blacks, MUCh CHEAPER at 55" to 65" compared to similary quaity LCD.

As far being frameless, well I tend to look at the screen as opposed to the screen frame when I watch my TV. biggrin.gif

Here's a couple THOUSAND posts that refute those claims:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1479058/samsung-f8500-plasma-buzz-and-buzzing-do-they-all/0_40
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478361/panasonic-zt60-and-vt60-fan-fridge-noise-production-numbers/0_40
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441222/difference-in-quality-between-anti-glare-vs-non-anti-glare/0_40
http://www.avsforum.com/t/949107/master-burn-in-ir-break-in-thread-part-ii-all-posts-here-only/0_40
post #431 of 496
You only read threads where collective people experiences built. It is statistically proven that there are more 100x more likely for people to post negative experience than the positives. I've calibrated, recalibrated, setup, etc plasma and LCD for pretty much their entire existence on the consumer market. The Samsung and Panasonic plasma don't emit buzzing unless you turn off the sound and listen to it caefully. The same thing with the fan noise. Not a single panel I calibrated even had image retention since more than 6 years ago, let alone burn-in. As far as the screens, quality LCDs now are all use full-on glossy screen whereas thr plasmas use screen that actually absorb light, there is no disputing that.

Heck, even the plasmas I calibrated for storefronts playing the same Panasonic and Samsung demo with logo 8 ours a day don't get image retention. tongue.gif
post #432 of 496
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

You only read threads where collective people experiences built. It is statistically proven that there are more 100x more likely for people to post negative experience than the positives. I've calibrated, recalibrated, setup, etc plasma and LCD for pretty much their entire existence on the consumer market. The Samsung and Panasonic plasma don't emit buzzing unless you turn off the sound and listen to it caefully. The same thing with the fan noise. Not a single panel I calibrated even had image retention since more than 6 years ago, let alone burn-in. As far as the screens, quality LCDs now are all use full-on glossy screen whereas thr plasmas use screen that actually absorb light, there is no disputing that.

Heck, even the plasmas I calibrated for storefronts playing the same Panasonic and Samsung demo with logo 8 ours a day don't get image retention. tongue.gif
I don't dispute that, however the post I quoted said "The new plasmas don't" as if describing an absolute. The fact simply enough is that if these things never happened those threads would not exist. And the fact that these threads exist means that perhaps, despite all your vast experience, there are things that occur beyond you.
post #433 of 496
I looked at a Sony 4K Ultra HD LCD at Best buy in Fort Smith tonight. I must say at 3 feet and farther back the picture was amazing. I must admit that 8 million pixels over 2 million is a very impressive number. The set I watched was being fed by a special content player capable of 4K that was supplied to best buy by sony. It was impressive to say the least...and so was the price at 6 grand. However, at 3 feet and closer to the screen I could see some mosquito crawl, I did not see any pixeling. All in all, I thought my samsung 59 inch plasma had a competitive picture with the 4K. I will say that the picture was very life like on the 4K set. But as good as the LCD was, I just could not imagine what an 8 million pixel plasma set would look like. I asked the best buy employee if she had heard of any plans to release a 4K Ultra plasma format. She said she had not heard of any plans for that but she agreed that a plasma version would be superior to the LCD.

As for you boys talking about the glare from a plasma. We have 5 big windows in our living room....half of our walls are windows. We see some glare in the daytime but not nearly as bad as I was expecting after all the warnings on here about glare problems. I can see some reflections and glare during the day but as long as I watch the show and dont focus on the glare I hardly notice it. To me, putting up with a little daytime glare is a small price to pay for the PQ difference, viewing angles and black levels that you get with Plasma over LCD.

BTW, plasma sets are so cheap right now, its not even funny. I went by sears in Fort Smith and they had some unreal deals on plasmas. 51 in plasma for $399. LG 60" Plasma for $749.....crazy low prices for tv's that were going for 10K just 8 years ago!
post #434 of 496
It should be mentioned that there is a difference between image retention and burn-in. LCD does have image retention with static images; I see this every day at work, in fact, with our LCD computer displays. It usually goes away if the screen is refreshed.

Earlier plasmas suffered what seemed to be burn-in. I saw this in Best Buy when considering a new TV, and was turned off to plasma initially because of it (even a CRT RPTV I had my eye on years ago; it was a 4:3 set running constant 16:9 material, also in Best Buy). If the same material is running with the same aspect ratio or with static images constantly, you could have a problem. But this is a much lesser concern with modern plasmas. And, burn-in is most likely in the early stages of a plasma when the phosphors are not broken in, maybe the first 100 hours or so as I recall.

For me, plasma gives the best overall picture. I've had my PRO-111FD for almost 5 years and have never experienced image retention or burn-in.
post #435 of 496
I have Plasma in my family room and it looks great to me!!
post #436 of 496
I currently have a LCD but its time to upgrade and am considering going with Plasma this time. My biggest concern is I am about 70/30 Gaming/Movies and just not sure if Plasma is really the way to go in that case. But the PQ on good Plasma displays I have seen are clearly better than LCD.
post #437 of 496
For me it's simply a matter of size. As I morphed through the years I've always gone bigger so now I'm at the 70" level and LED/LCD is my only affordable option. I love the PQ of plasma but right now size matters most.
post #438 of 496
In terms of quality I must say the LED definitely are the way to go, it is definitely worth the extra cost associated with it for the beautiful and deep black color spectrum
post #439 of 496
One of my friends was in the market for a new tv.. He was all over LED. We argued for weeks.. He was just being a sheep and going for the brighter picture,until he understood what to look for... . He cited the glare issue also,which is ridiculous,any tv has it and the newer plasma's are much better in this area ..How many people watch tv during the day anyhow? I personally hate matte screens,glass screens bring out much more real color and depth. I have many windows in my room and I can see my plasma just fine. Anyways,my friend went with a 64" plasma.. He is very happy. Its Ironic that all the people that whine about glare have ipad's,Galaxy tablets ect.. They all have glass screens!
post #440 of 496
We have both. A 65" plasma in a small media room with no windows and a 50" "Smart" LCD in an open room with large windows and a lot of natural light. Both TV's do well in their environment's. When we want to watch a blue-ray movie, digital delivered movie or live sports we prefer the plasma. Daylight viewing of television programs is fine on the LCD. Both are Samsung models and less than 2 years old.

The incoming signal has a huge impact on the quality of the picture. Streamed movies over our DSL (ATT) line are OK. Movies purchased over CATV (Comcast) are a bit better. Blu Ray blows them both away (in both pic & audio quality).

Overall picture quality the plasma wins hands down. Both provide an acceptable picture for their specific location and feed.
post #441 of 496
I have a 46" Samsung F5000 which is pretty good overall. However, I watched 'Seven' the other night and it struggled with the dark and moody scenes (so the whole movie!). It got me thinking about plasma. I can't go to 50" so I would be going smaller to 42" with either ST50 or ST60. Viewing distance is 9-10ft. I would be sacrificing screen size for better black levels and contrast BUT risk losing the detail in 1080p!
post #442 of 496
I have the same problems with one Ive had for two-three weeks I get audible humming from the 2 fans on the back of your Panasonic Plasma? I bought 65" TC-P65ZT60 (65") a couple weeks ago. You can hear the fans 15' away where I sit on my couch up to a volume of around 15 on the TV. The TV is on a console currently around 2-3 feet from wall (with hard wood floors) waiting for Cabinet to be delivered. When there is silent moment in the movies it is clearly audible. Two nights ago the TV was off for almost 2 hours yet when I walked into the room to turn the lights off to go to bed I could hear the fans STILL on 20' away in a quiet house.. Im told there is a Panasonic patch that fixes a defect at the base of the fans that are causing the humming noise and cuts out most of the noise but I am getting the run around from Panasonic. Great picture but the noise is very distracting. The Best Buy 1-800 guy told me I should just get a SONY or Samsung in a comparable or possibly even 70". So I have a week to decide if I want to switch as per Best Buys return policy

Also do the Panasonic Plasmas run warmer than the SONY/Samsung LEDs?
post #443 of 496
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Originally Posted by togatx View Post

I have the same problems with one Ive had for two-three weeks I get audible humming from the 2 fans on the back of your Panasonic Plasma? I bought 65" TC-P65ZT60 (65") a couple weeks ago. You can hear the fans 15' away where I sit on my couch up to a volume of around 15 on the TV. The TV is on a console currently around 2-3 feet from wall (with hard wood floors) waiting for Cabinet to be delivered. When there is silent moment in the movies it is clearly audible. Two nights ago the TV was off for almost 2 hours yet when I walked into the room to turn the lights off to go to bed I could hear the fans STILL on 20' away in a quiet house.. Im told there is a Panasonic patch that fixes a defect at the base of the fans that are causing the humming noise and cuts out most of the noise but I am getting the run around from Panasonic. Great picture but the noise is very distracting. The Best Buy 1-800 guy told me I should just get a SONY or Samsung in a comparable or possibly even 70". So I have a week to decide if I want to switch as per Best Buys return policy

Also do the Panasonic Plasmas run warmer than the SONY/Samsung LEDs?

I have heard that the ZT does have a bit of "fan" noise but if it is as bad as you are describing you may just have a bad set. The BB rep is an idiot, there really isn't another current TV out there (aside from OLED) that compares to the ZT. Sure LED runs cooler but that is a pretty minor consideration. If you are looking for the Best picture possible, you have 3 options. Try another ZT, Go down to the VT or try the Samsung F8500.
post #444 of 496
thread Panasonic ZT60 and VT60 Fan/Fridge Noise production Numbers
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478361/panasonic-zt60-and-vt60-fan-fridge-noise-production-numbers
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Originally Posted by goosedizzel 
All,

I just got the foam kit put in my TV. I do not hear the fans anymore even when the sound in muted. Since my TV was under warranty I had the repair guy come out. After watching him do the repair...there are only about 40 screws you need to remove and the back panel comes off with ease. There was no warranty seal anywhere nor did he put one on after the repair was done. If you don't want a repair guy to come out and do this, just do it yourself.

Get this done people!

Here are some pics of my TC-P65ZT60...





The repair guy said Panasonic issued another technical repair order that says to flip the rubber things around (he did this on all 3x fans)


post #445 of 496
^ Thank you sir!
post #446 of 496
After calibrating my Panasonic VT50 I am disillusioned with plasma.

For critical color editing and other professional applications plasma is rarely used.

Why?

To save energy plasma dims the picture in response to the average brightness level on the display. I believe more so than on CRT, (though I've seen arguments about this).

- You can see this effect, try watching side by side an LCD if you get the chance. It can't be disabled and has some degree of affect on the display at all brightness levels.

- The dimming alters gamma which is therefore never "right". It can't be correctly calibrated, that's impossible.

- It makes the gamma lower in darker scenes which gives a false illusion that the set is producing outstanding black detail. It's sweet, but it's not "better PQ" by ISF standards. It's much like any gimmick they put in TV's, and the same thing can be done with LCD or any other technology.

- The effect makes other aspects of calibration a rubiks cube - for example color lum. You can never say for certain that it's calibrated.

- It seems to affect other things at least on my device. There doesn't seem to be any test pattern I can measure at two different ABL's and get the same readings (or expected difference)

Now to counter myself a bit, the picture looks fantastic. I recently did comparisons of calibrations done with different ABL and visually I couldn't detect the difference enough to decide which one was correct. But I do think this technology has gained some false respect.
post #447 of 496
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Originally Posted by dbillen View Post

After calibrating my Panasonic VT50 I am disillusioned with plasma.

For critical color editing and other professional applications plasma is rarely used.

Why?

To save energy plasma dims the picture in response to the average brightness level on the display. I believe more so than on CRT, (though I've seen arguments about this).

- You can see this effect, try watching side by side an LCD if you get the chance. It can't be disabled and has some degree of affect on the display at all brightness levels.

- The dimming alters gamma which is therefore never "right". It can't be correctly calibrated, that's impossible.

- It makes the gamma lower in darker scenes which gives a false illusion that the set is producing outstanding black detail. It's sweet, but it's not "better PQ" by ISF standards. It's much like any gimmick they put in TV's, and the same thing can be done with LCD or any other technology.

- The effect makes other aspects of calibration a rubiks cube - for example color lum. You can never say for certain that it's calibrated.

- It seems to affect other things at least on my device. There doesn't seem to be any test pattern I can measure at two different ABL's and get the same readings (or expected difference)

Now to counter myself a bit, the picture looks fantastic. I recently did comparisons of calibrations done with different ABL and visually I couldn't detect the difference enough to decide which one was correct. But I do think this technology has gained some false respect.

Did you do this calibration yourself or was it done by a professional with $20K+ in hardware and I don't mean Best Buy? Calibration is suppose to be done to a reference standard.
post #448 of 496
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Did you do this calibration yourself or was it done by a professional with $20K+ in hardware and I don't mean Best Buy? Calibration is suppose to be done to a reference standard.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who does the calibration with what. The gamma response changes as ABL varies. It can't be disabled. Therefore a calibration can not be done entirely to reference and that's why studios don't use them for editing content.

Look around the calibration forum under topics about plasma, esp. discussions like this one about using APL vs windows: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1485584/gamma-with-normal-windows-or-with-apl/60
post #449 of 496
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Originally Posted by dbillen View Post

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who does the calibration with what. The gamma response changes as ABL varies. It can't be disabled. Therefore a calibration can not be done entirely to reference and that's why studios don't use them for editing content.

Look around the calibration forum under topics about plasma, esp. discussions like this one about using APL vs windows: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1485584/gamma-with-normal-windows-or-with-apl/60

Having looked at the link, you did the calibration yourself? With your line of reasoning, it would seem that studios wouldn't have professional calibrations of their monitors done, which is obviously false. Of course, the bottom line is always whether or not you are satisfied, until you see something better such as a professionally calibrated display.
post #450 of 496
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

With your line of reasoning, it would seem that studios wouldn't have professional calibrations of their monitors done, which is obviously false.

I don't get why it would seem that way. confused.gif

Most professionals use LCD displays that are kept constantly in perfect calibration.
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Of course, the bottom line is always whether or not you are satisfied, until you see something better such as a professionally calibrated display.

I've owned professionally calibrated displays since my old Trinitron tube. Sometimes I DIY because it's interesting to me, especially on a set like this with full CMS, etc.

What I'm saying about plasma is not something I came up with because my VT50 is poorly calibrated. It's just what it is. I actually first learned about it reading posts from professional calibrators on this very site. Some like plasma and I guess think its only a gamma issue, (which can get slippery to pin down as a "standard" anyway). Others prefer LCD's because of it.
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