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post #121 of 699
Good news I guess. Thanks for doing that and reporting to us!

Jérôme
post #122 of 699
Anyone in here with a meter that has done a measured calibration of this model (or is otherwise aware of one)? I'm interested in the actual measured performance (mll, cr, color, gamma, etc...) as this appears to be one of only 2 acceptable gaming quality PDP's this year.
post #123 of 699
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Anyone in here with a meter that has done a measured calibration of this model (or is otherwise aware of one)? I'm interested in the actual measured performance (mll, cr, color, gamma, etc...) as this appears to be one of only 2 acceptable gaming quality PDP's this year.

I havn't measured this model, but I have the step down PN51F5300 which I assume is using a similar if not same panel. I havn't calibrated yet but I did measure the out of box Cinema/Movie mode settings.

I measured the black level using my i1 Display Pro at 0.004 ftl with the Black Optimizer set to Dark Room and 0.006 ftl with it Off, either of which are damn good readings for a TV in this price range.

Out of the box gamma was on the low side, around 2.1 average, but was relatively flat and it's adjustable (and looked pretty good with actual content). Color accuracy was actually very good out of the box, and since it has a full CMS it should dial in nicely. Greyscale was off, about a 10 point average for Delta E's, but thats par for the course with most sets. Nothing a good calibration couldnt fix, but not horrible if you don't plan on it. I'm very impressed with the set, and I am very picky.

I use it as my primary gaming TV now, but I have not measured the input lag. I'm not generally sensitive to those types of issues.

I suspect the 5500 is just as good, if not better. But if you don't care about 3D or smart TV, the 5300 is quite the bargain.
post #124 of 699
Well, they came out with the 1104 firmware upgrade today. I just installed it. Still the same flickering problem so noticeable on hockey games. What now Samsung? Guess I'll call....
post #125 of 699
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

I havn't measured this model, but I have the step down PN51F5300 which I assume is using a similar if not same panel. I havn't calibrated yet but I did measure the out of box Cinema/Movie mode settings.

I measured the black level using my i1 Display Pro at 0.004 ftl with the Black Optimizer set to Dark Room and 0.006 ftl with it Off, either of which are damn good readings for a TV in this price range.

Out of the box gamma was on the low side, around 2.1 average, but was relatively flat and it's adjustable (and looked pretty good with actual content). Color accuracy was actually very good out of the box, and since it has a full CMS it should dial in nicely. Greyscale was off, about a 10 point average for Delta E's, but thats par for the course with most sets. Nothing a good calibration couldnt fix, but not horrible if you don't plan on it. I'm very impressed with the set, and I am very picky.

I use it as my primary gaming TV now, but I have not measured the input lag. I'm not generally sensitive to those types of issues.

I suspect the 5500 is just as good, if not better. But if you don't care about 3D or smart TV, the 5300 is quite the bargain.

Thanks Will, that was exactly what I was looking for. Is there any information on which (if any) of the 5500's are pentile? I believe last year there were a couple sizes/model combos that were.
post #126 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Thanks Will, that was exactly what I was looking for. Is there any information on which (if any) of the 5500's are pentile? I believe last year there were a couple sizes/model combos that were.
i understand that the 51 and 64 are NOT Pentile the 60 for some reason it's pentile
post #127 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Motown68 View Post

Well, they came out with the 1104 firmware upgrade today. I just installed it. Still the same flickering problem so noticeable on hockey games. What now Samsung? Guess I'll call....
i'm watching detroit and chicago i also still see pop but i think some of these real bright flashes are in the areana and it's not the TV must be some stobes and camera flashes going on
but i still see the others that i saw before the 1104 update i did earlier.
post #128 of 699
How do you think this 5500 plasma is about IR???
post #129 of 699
Thread Starter 
so when i came home today i updated to 1103 via the internet no problem but when i checked to update it to 1104 i had to download it put it on thumb drive and update via USB went perfect .
i think this TV is a great value the colors are great it's nice and bright and the blacks are beautiful
post #130 of 699
Still have problems while watching hockey?
post #131 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by silvervulcan View Post

I have the 60 inch F5500, and I dont notice any picture issues with the Pentile display. Mind you i'm not sitting 1 foot away from it, im about 5 feet off to an angle one one seat and about 12 feet straight back on another. The picture looks good to me. The only issue ive had to far is the brightness/dimming issue on Hockey, other then that, I would have never noticed pentile vs. non-pentile if I didnt hear people talking about it on these forums.

And my TV doesnt make any buzzing noises (yet) and I have mine wall mounted. Its been quiet so far, even when turning it on there is no clicking sounds or anything, just smooth. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
i agree the pentile non pentile is a non issue IMHO
MY PN51F5500 no buzz and mine is on a stand
post #132 of 699
Thread Starter 
about the flashing i went to my LED and watched some hockey and i saw flashing on that one as well so there must be stuff going on in the areana i don't think all that i'm seeing on my PN51F5500 is the TV.
post #133 of 699
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

I havn't measured this model, but I have the step down PN51F5300 which I assume is using a similar if not same panel. I havn't calibrated yet but I did measure the out of box Cinema/Movie mode settings.

I measured the black level using my i1 Display Pro at 0.004 ftl with the Black Optimizer set to Dark Room and 0.006 ftl with it Off, either of which are damn good readings for a TV in this price range.

Out of the box gamma was on the low side, around 2.1 average, but was relatively flat and it's adjustable (and looked pretty good with actual content). Color accuracy was actually very good out of the box, and since it has a full CMS it should dial in nicely. Greyscale was off, about a 10 point average for Delta E's, but thats par for the course with most sets. Nothing a good calibration couldnt fix, but not horrible if you don't plan on it. I'm very impressed with the set, and I am very picky.

I use it as my primary gaming TV now, but I have not measured the input lag. I'm not generally sensitive to those types of issues.

I suspect the 5500 is just as good, if not better. But if you don't care about 3D or smart TV, the 5300 is quite the bargain.


Are you sure about black readings.It is better then last year top model E8000?????????
post #134 of 699
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Originally Posted by netvlada View Post

Are you sure about black readings.It is better then last year top model E8000?????????

Thats what I recorded using the newest HCFR version with my brand new i1 Display Pro, and it was repeatable at different times. You would get a more accurate reading with better equipment, but I don't think the readings are too far off.

If you think about the drastic improvement in black levels on Samsung's flag ship plasma, it's not unreasonable to think that the step down models would also improve. Last years E550 was measured at 0.0085 by CNET, so it really isn't that much of an improvement. The Dark Room Black Optimizer reading can almost be thrown out because it's usually only that black during the darkest of scenes.
post #135 of 699
Do you guys feel there is any input lag when playing games? Im trying to decide if I want this TV or the ST60 or maybe the s60
post #136 of 699
You can see here that the 60F5500 has only 37 ms lag, which is pretty good. What I don't know is if it was using game mode or not.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
post #137 of 699
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Originally Posted by milin_im View Post

You can see here that the 60F5500 has only 37 ms lag, which is pretty good. What I don't know is if it was using game mode or not.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Thanks for the info! One more question, is there quality differences with the 60" compared to the 65 and 55? I heard the 60 is the only one that has pentile in it, does it mean anything serious?
post #138 of 699
Pentile will look pretty nasty. Google pictures of pentile displays vs rgb.
post #139 of 699
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Pentile will look pretty nasty. Google pictures of pentile displays vs rgb.

The effects of a pentile display are exaggerated. Most pictures are taken with a macro lens or at a distance you aren't going to be watching t.v at anyways.
post #140 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

Pentile will look pretty nasty. Google pictures of pentile displays vs rgb.
So you base this on what? do you own this display when you see these images. The images on these sites they are blown up to exaggerate what it really is. Why samsung used pentile I'm not sure but at normal viewing distance the TV pixels are so small so it is a non issue in my Humble opinion.
post #141 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by netvlada View Post

Are you sure about black readings.It is better then last year top model E8000?????????
I have both the PN60E8000 and the PN51F5500 and without using a meter the 5500 blacks seem blacker to my eye.
Also the 5500 seems sharper as well, don't get me wrong the 8000 is an incredible display. The 5500 to me has more of an LEDish look to it I'm very pleased with both TV's
post #142 of 699
Oh the flickering from brighter to darker is still there with others after the 1104 upgrade. Samsung not responding to my phone calls/emails, so it's going back for a panasonic four-color LED. Samsung terrible customer service from my experience, just awful.
post #143 of 699
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Originally Posted by Motown68 View Post

Oh the flickering from brighter to darker is still there with others after the 1104 upgrade. Samsung not responding to my phone calls/emails, so it's going back for a panasonic four-color LED. Samsung terrible customer service from my experience, just awful.

Which Panasonic are going going to get? I know the s60/64 doesn't have input lag like the st60
post #144 of 699
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Originally Posted by suckmyditka View Post

Which Panasonic are going going to get? I know the s60/64 doesn't have input lag like the st60

Yeah but he's getting an LED.

Are you looking at the ET60? Honestly for the price increase with an LED why not look at the Panasonic plasma lineup? Especially given the performance of the ST60 (and the S60/64 isn't bad either!)
post #145 of 699
Hi All,

Wondering if there is an official reviews of this TV ?. I am interesting in finding out what the rating of this TV is and how is the picture quality ?.
post #146 of 699
Are floating blacks still an issue this year? I see a lot of talk about brightness pops but are you also getting pops on dark content (floating blacks).
post #147 of 699
Since this Samsung series has not received any attention from the professional reviewers, I thought some of you might appreciate a nontechnical review from a knowledgeable owner in Scotland. Here is a link to his YouTube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYYFPKSNmB8

It is just over twenty minutes long, and he confirms that the 60F5500 which he recently purchased is a Pentile display. He zooms in to show the pixel configuration. He says he does not consider it to be an issue that affects the quality of the picture from a normal viewing distance. Others say that the pen-tile structure makes images look less sharp than they should be, so each person will have to make their own decision on that issue.

Overall, he rates it as a very good display for those who cannot afford a top of the line 60inch set.
post #148 of 699
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Since this Samsung series has not received any attention from the professional reviewers, I thought some of you might appreciate a nontechnical review from a knowledgeable owner in Scotland. Here is a link to his YouTube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYYFPKSNmB8

It is just over twenty minutes long, and he confirms that the 60F5500 which he recently purchased is a Pentile display. He zooms in to show the pixel configuration. He says he does not consider it to be an issue that affects the quality of the picture from a normal viewing distance. Others say that the pen-tile structure makes images look less sharp than they should be, so each person will have to make their own decision on that issue.

Overall, he rates it as a very good display for those who cannot afford a top of the line 60inch set.
VERY informative I really enjoyed the review it also confirmed what I have been thinking and saying the pen tile is a none issue as the pixels are so small that you couldn't tell unless you put your nose to the screen
Thanks Greenland for sharing.
post #149 of 699
While looking for information on "Real Black Pro," I came across this site, it's got some pretty cool info in various areas. Maybe someone else will enjoy it, thought I'd share: http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-a-plasma-anti-glare-filter
post #150 of 699
ditka, not sure which one I'm getting, looks like the Sharp 4-color LED is what will fit best. Samsung gave me grief over my 2 1/2 yr old 58" C550 for screen burn-in, so it seems that plasmas are still subject to that and the owner is told it's their fault even though all they did is watch TV. This TV has a weird brightness jumping up and then dimming noticeable during hockey games, and Samsung hasn't yet addressed the problem. I'm taking it back today unless I hear something positive out of Sammy.
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