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post #271 of 698
Are some of the prices including Sound Bars, etc, that generally are not required by somebody already utlizing a Media Center? If so, despite the supposed included Freebie, the price will be discounted if the so called Freebie is turned down. The Samsung 4K 65" TV comes with said Sound Bar, but dealer will discount $769 for not taking it.
post #272 of 698
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

1. really means nothing...Frys does this all the time ...or perhaps they send out a message to some who have friended them on Facebook. I receive a message each week with pocket deals...this weeks Samsung 60F6300 at $999 is a perfect example..... 30% below BB's "sale" price of $1399

2. Means nothing.....hard to believe that you dont know that retailers will not post a price online...but will put an ad in the local newspaper advertising what they are doing...sometimes without a brand name on the print ad

3. Means nothing...enough said on that one...not even sure why that is brought up...
You already said the current Fry's deal on the Samsung 60F6300 was below cost and we know consumers could care less about items being below a retailers cost

4. Once who has decided its on clearance?...the consumer trying to price match or Best Buy?

5. how would you know how many they have on hand or how many they are ordering?

ok...so the choice whether or not to price match would be made on assumption?...is that what you are saying?


Because...living in market that has Fry's...I can tell you that your assumptions and the criteria you used to get to them are not good ones

.I assume Fry's...and others...do these things to get around these idiotic price controls that should not be around in the first place for B&M......BLESS THE RETAILERS THAT SET THEIR OWN PRICES!!!

But to be clear....deals do exist and your criteria listed is not a good litmus test of a valid deal for a B&M retailer


Warren

My points above were in reference to the Conn's deal on the F8500.
post #273 of 698
Yeah across the highway from Wal-Mart/BB on Cockrell Hill. Where you coming from turnnne1? I can check a few more Conn's tomorrow on my way to Austin. I do quality checks on in store Samsung's. 120 stores a month....
post #274 of 698
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

I don't game and I probably wouldn't buy a plasma if I did, so that's not a concern to me.

My understanding is that in order to use the D-Nice settings you have to run slides *first*. So from the little I looked at the settings thread, there is some considerable time investment in that. Even if there isn't, your analogy is kind of wrong. What I am doing is not driving a Ferrari at 35mph, so much as not taking the Ferrari which is already excellent the way it was produced at the factory and adding more performance "mods" to it to take advantage of the engineering headroom built into the car and make perform even faster. Your driving a car at 35mph analogy is more analogous to watching SD channels on the top of the line TV made.

Either way, the picture on the Panny is good enough it is simply not needed. The Samsung... eh, when I'm at my brother's place again I will look into calibrating it with some settings and see if the shadow detail improves.

Have you calibrated the pic on the Sammy? Out of box pic and calibrated pic are two different animals all together. I can hardly believe the difference in the pic quality after I calibrated it to the out box pic. It's a huge difference. I would never go by what you see in the big box stores. Better to get on here and read what the Pros say about these TVs. I calibrated mine off the latest setting that had my particular software and ended up with a picture so good I seriously doubt I will pay to have a pro come out. This thing came alive after 100-150 hrs breaking in then calibrating. Not even close to the out of box picture.
post #275 of 698
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Originally Posted by ricktillis View Post

Have you calibrated the pic on the Sammy? Out of box pic and calibrated pic are two different animals all together. I can hardly believe the difference in the pic quality after I calibrated it to the out box pic. It's a huge difference. I would never go by what you see in the big box stores. Better to get on here and read what the Pros say about these TVs. I calibrated mine off the latest setting that had my particular software and ended up with a picture so good I seriously doubt I will pay to have a pro come out. This thing came alive after 100-150 hrs breaking in then calibrating. Not even close to the out of box picture.

Interesting. That TV is at my brother's house so I haven't had a chance to play with it for a couple of weeks. I'm sure he's been using it regularly since we got it so it will probably be broken in by the time I see it again. I may enter the calibration settings when I do.
post #276 of 698
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Originally Posted by ricktillis View Post

Have you calibrated the pic on the Sammy? Out of box pic and calibrated pic are two different animals all together. I can hardly believe the difference in the pic quality after I calibrated it to the out box pic. It's a huge difference. I would never go by what you see in the big box stores. Better to get on here and read what the Pros say about these TVs. I calibrated mine off the latest setting that had my particular software and ended up with a picture so good I seriously doubt I will pay to have a pro come out. This thing came alive after 100-150 hrs breaking in then calibrating. Not even close to the out of box picture.
I own a 65VT60. I am very happy with the picture but if the Sammy was selling for the same price as the VT60 right now it would be a pretty tough decision which to choose. Right now the price made it much easier to go with the Panny since that was where my budget was at but if the 64F8500 came down to $2,150 like the VT60 did I think I might have jumped on it or would possibly even think about swapping it out if it should come down in the next week or two.

Not saying that I don't love the VT60 but I do also have an interest in the F8500. The ZT60 does not interest me at all.
post #277 of 698
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I own a 65VT60. I am very happy with the picture but if the Sammy was selling for the same price as the VT60 right now it would be a pretty tough decision which to choose. Right now the price made it much easier to go with the Panny since that was where my budget was at but if the 64F8500 came down to $2,150 like the VT60 did I think I might have jumped on it or would possibly even think about swapping it out if it should come down in the next week or two.

Not saying that I don't love the VT60 but I do also have an interest in the F8500. The ZT60 does not interest me at all.

Why? Gaming? IR?

Other than less susceptibility to IR (the Sammys are much better there) and maybe gaming and a nice smart suite (who cares, I buy a TV for image quality) I don't understand why anyone would do that. I don't game so that doesn't matter to me.
post #278 of 698
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Why? Gaming? IR?

Other than less susceptibility to IR (the Sammys are much better there) and maybe gaming and a nice smart suite (who cares, I buy a TV for image quality) I don't understand why anyone would do that. I don't game so that doesn't matter to me.
Do you really think the F8500 is that far behind in the PQ department vs. the VT60? Again, I said I would only consider it if it dropped $1,000 in price. At the price it is selling for now it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced for a TV that has not proven to be the absolute best out there.
post #279 of 698
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

My points above were in reference to the Conn's deal on the F8500.

as well my reply's to your points

as I stated....most of what you said does nothing to

1. absolutely prove what is going on at Conn's

2. change consumer 'concern about a retailer who says they are losing money on a transaction

again....each retailer can choose their own path to do price match..or not do it at all


Warren
post #280 of 698
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Originally Posted by THirdCoast79 View Post

Yeah across the highway from Wal-Mart/BB on Cockrell Hill. Where you coming from turnnne1? I can check a few more Conn's tomorrow on my way to Austin. I do quality checks on in store Samsung's. 120 stores a month....

Coming from Indianapolis....14 hour drive to Dallas

spending the night in Tulsa in a couple of night then driving into Dallas the next morning

did they just have one unit left?..when did you last physically see it?


Warren
post #281 of 698
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Why? Gaming? IR?

Other than less susceptibility to IR (the Sammys are much better there) and maybe gaming and a nice smart suite (who cares, I buy a TV for image quality) I don't understand why anyone would do that. I don't game so that doesn't matter to me.

I think the capability of a brighter image would win me over with the F8500 vs the VT60...if there were the same price

But...samsung doesnt seem to be following Panasonics lead on lowering prices

So..at a several hundred dollar disadvantage..I would choose the Vt60....same price F8500


Warren
post #282 of 698
Samsung is not in fire sale mode as Panasonic appears to be. I think this should tell you something about 2014 model pricing as well. The SRP will be similar if not a little higher thanks to less competition.
post #283 of 698
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Samsung is not in fire sale mode as Panasonic appears to be. I think this should tell you something about 2014 model pricing as well. The SRP will be similar if not a little higher thanks to less competition.

Panasonic isn't pushing the prices you see today.
post #284 of 698
That can't be good for the retailers bringing the markups then.
post #285 of 698
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

Coming from Indianapolis....14 hour drive to Dallas

spending the night in Tulsa in a couple of night then driving into Dallas the next morning

did they just have one unit left?..when did you last physically see it?


Warren
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

Coming from Indianapolis....14 hour drive to Dallas

spending the night in Tulsa in a couple of night then driving into Dallas the next morning

did they just have one unit left?..when did you last physically see it?


Warren

I was there last Friday and it was kinda hidden amongst furniture in the middle of the store.
post #286 of 698
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Originally Posted by THirdCoast79 View Post


I was there last Friday and it was kinda hidden amongst furniture in the middle of the store.

Be honest, you hid it yourself. smile.gif
post #287 of 698
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

That can't be good for the retailers bringing the markups then.

yes...I heard they took the price controls off

ditto for LG with B&M....just controls for e tailers

I think there will be some fire sale Panasonic pricing coming down the pike....with the regional retailers starting the slide and then BB following..as usual...rolleyes.gif

will they get as deeply discounted as the Sharp elites did?...probably not

but I expect some ZT's...the higher profit model I would assume...going for a steep discount from MSRP...the ST not so much

Not sure what samsung will do...if their 2014 prices are higher....which is somewhat unheard of in the flat panel market year over year...they must feel really secure that they will capture the lost volume from Panasonic

Warren
post #288 of 698
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Be honest, you hid it yourself. smile.gif

for a $1600 64F8500...can you blame the guy?



Warren
post #289 of 698
Samsung finds themselves in a near monopolizing position, though. One competitor is gone, so the need to price downward in the new year is diminished. Perhaps the SRPs will stay the same year-to-year.
post #290 of 698
It looks like Samsung has just implemented a price reduction on their own site. Other sites are following suit.
64" is now $3099.99
60" is $2399.99
51" is $1799.99
post #291 of 698
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Originally Posted by kwolfman View Post

It looks like Samsung has just implemented a price reduction on their own site. Other sites are following suit.
64" is now $3099.99
60" is $2399.99
51" is $1799.99

 

$100 down $1000 to go

post #292 of 698
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Be honest, you hid it yourself. smile.gif

Had the manager given me 10% off like I requested it would have been gone and I'd be sending turnne1 to Hurst wink.gif
post #293 of 698
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

Coming from Indianapolis....14 hour drive to Dallas

spending the night in Tulsa in a couple of night then driving into Dallas the next morning

did they just have one unit left?..when did you last physically see it?


Warren

Warren,
If you are bringing all of those clearance Sammy 8500's back to Indianapolis, I may take one or two of them off of your hands. smile.gif
Safe travels and good hunting!
post #294 of 698
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Originally Posted by sharkyziff View Post

Warren,
If you are bringing all of those clearance Sammy 8500's back to Indianapolis, I may take one or two of them off of your hands. smile.gif
Safe travels and good hunting!

lol.....well I may only have room for one

I would help you out if I could...unfortunately I wont be driving something like a suburban where I could fit 2-3 units in...


Warren
post #295 of 698
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Originally Posted by THirdCoast79 View Post

Had the manager given me 10% off like I requested it would have been gone and I'd be sending turnne1 to Hurst wink.gif

for that price...I would drive to Hurst.....I have family and friends split between FW and Dallas anyway

In my market...for that TV...I am a slave to magnolia at $3199

and as I have mentioned before MSRP and Magnolia Suggested retail price seem to be most often one in the same


Warren
post #296 of 698
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Originally Posted by PolishDude View Post

$100 down $1000 to go

LOL...I hear that

LG needs to up their game again on plasma technology

if they had a TV that was 90% of the performance of the F8500 at 50% of the price...it would be a winner


Warren
post #297 of 698
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Samsung finds themselves in a near monopolizing position, though. One competitor is gone, so the need to price downward in the new year is diminished. Perhaps the SRPs will stay the same year-to-year.

realistically

I am not sure that will happen as the F8500 price would be about the price of their high LED F8000 models

There are only a finite number of people that will look at plasma...15% of so of potential buyers

lets say there are some on the fence that have brought in by the plasma bang for the buck

if thats gone they will buy LED


Warren
post #298 of 698
There is nothing to drive Samsung to invest in further research to improve plasma TVs, now that competition with Panasonic is gone. I expect the 2014 Samsung plasmas will use the same panel just with some minor electronic improvements and apps. I think we are standing on the plasma cliff with OLED rumbling and shaking the ground in the distance. Like Panasonic, Samsung will throw their research and development dollars at OLED. As soon at those panels get large enough and close enough in price, the plasma cliff will collapse. 2015? 16?
The Samsung Evolution Kits should help us stay close to the cliff edge.
post #299 of 698
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

for a $1600 64F8500...can you blame the guy?



Warren

Not one bit.
post #300 of 698
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Originally Posted by kwolfman View Post

There is nothing to drive Samsung to invest in further research to improve plasma TVs, now that competition with Panasonic is gone. I expect the 2014 Samsung plasmas will use the same panel just with some minor electronic improvements and apps. I think we are standing on the plasma cliff with OLED rumbling and shaking the ground in the distance. Like Panasonic, Samsung will throw their research and development dollars at OLED. As soon at those panels get large enough and close enough in price, the plasma cliff will collapse. 2015? 16?
The Samsung Evolution Kits should help us stay close to the cliff edge.

so be it then

If OLED is better and about the same price as plasma ...then why would they continue to invest into a sector that is a small part of the market

Panasonic exit from the business probably has less to do with OLED and more to do with the fact that they have been losing big money on their plasma business for the past years

perhaps they should have invested into LED technology, a few years ago, to get their foot firmly planted where the profits were

As it was...their market was 15% of the total flat panel market...and probably not nearly the volume needed at the prices that the market would bear


Warren
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