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post #31 of 98
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Heck, he probably already bought some 805D2 and we didn't even know.

And don't go saying, "There are better speakers than B&W for the price".

Now, that I can agree with! smile.gif IMO, there are a lot of better speakers for the price. B&W sounds like "cats screaming" to me ears. tongue.gif
post #32 of 98
Ascend Acoustics Sierra towers with the matching center channel would be another option, they're located in California so you could probably go directly to them to audition some.

ASCEND ACOUSTICS, INC.
1062 Calle Negocio Suite G
San Clemente, CA 92673
Tel 949/366-1455
Edited by jbrown15 - 5/7/13 at 12:31pm
post #33 of 98
Anyway, moving right along, I think the B&W 805D2 + existing B&W ceiling speakers is definitely one fine possibility.
post #34 of 98
I have been trolling these threads for awhile and I do not think its AcuDef's hatred of JTR its just I think he is just sick and tired of the JTR recommendation trend lately. In fact, if all the hype has been directed toward any other brand besides JTR he may dog those too.

Its great that many people love their JTRs (I hope so too once Jeff sends me my tracking info) but to take comments personal is just a waste of time. You all love them and that's great so who cares if AcuDef does not??

Acudef, I think in many of your posts you have been fair in recommending different brands along with measurements and all but no matter what you say nothing will change JTR owners minds so you should spare yourself the headache. Are JTRs the best? I have not yet heard them so I do not know but when people spend thousands of dollars on equipment they will defend them at any cost as if their speakers are their children per se. They will easily accept praise and vehemently reject criticism. So if you feel JTR sucks that is fine too!!

Once I get mine I will chime in with my thoughts. I really hope they are good since I went by recommendations by other owners. If they turn out to be garbage then I can always sell them and shame on me for believing the hype.

I know it says its my first post but I made my own account after constantly using my brothers (rics17).

Anyway, I hope the OP enjoys whatever choice is made and not worry about what others think like so many of us do.
post #35 of 98
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

IOW, if a speaker measures horribly in a nice neutral anechoic environment, how can we expect that speaker to measure well in an average or not-so-good room?

Baseline measurement (anechoic/ pseudo-anechoic) is always good. We at least know the speaker's potential.

Yes, the baseline measurement (assuming it is even accurate) is important, but at the end of the day, it matters how it measures in your room too. That was my point. I would not recommend a speaker that measures horribly in the first place. And I would also not recommend spending a big pile of money on speakers that do measure well if your room does not. You would be better served spending less on speakers and addressing the room with some of the speaker budget. I see it here all the time. People recommend "audiophile" speakers, expensive amps and cables, and then the person throws a large floorstanding speaker in the corners of a room with tiled floors, lots of windows, cathedral ceilings, and seating that is off-axis.
Edited by ack_bk - 5/7/13 at 1:06pm
post #36 of 98
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the feedback. I need to do some listening and may come back to the group for additional insight.
post #37 of 98
To the OP

If you are still considering B&W 805 Diamonds I will give you my opinion since I own these speakers. If you are serious about spending this kind of money, do yourself a huge favor, take a look at the room you plan to use these speakers in. Many people do not take into account the room they will place their speakers. This IS A HUGE MISTAKE. The room affects the sound of any speakers more than any other source, amp, driver selection or anything. The 805's will need to be put in a room where they can be located well away from front and side walls, and most importantly they will need to placed in a room that is treated with absorption panels and diffuser panels. Absorption panels on the side walls to control 1st reflections, and diffuser panels on the backs of the walls to spread the sound waves evenly to control decay and standing waves.

B&W speakers, especially the 800 series, are not plop, drop and connect and enjoy speakers. They will not sound right in a very lively room, and you will have to spend a lot of time and patience getting them setup properly. If you don't want to invest this kind of time and extra money to treat your room, I would honestly look elsewhere. Save yourself the money and and aggravation. Almost everyone that has heard B&W speakers and stated they hated them, more than likely had them either setup improperly or they were using them in a room that was not treated properly. I know this also because when I first bought the 805's I hated them as well. In fact I was so frustrated that I wanted to take them back and get almost any other speaker I could think of. But then a good friend helped me get things figured out in my room and helped my get my speakers setup properly. This took a long time and a lot of trial and error, but once it was all finished, I knew that I had the speakers I always wanted.

B&W 805Di have a lot of energy in the upper end, and this is a good thing IMO. Because a speaker with a lot HF energy will sound bright in a poorly treated room, but in the right room they will sound RIGHT, and more than that they will give you that extra bit or air and space in the HF, which in my opinion makes the difference in that last bit of detail and clarity and crispness that so many people search for. You can always treat and absorb too much energy from a speaker, but you cannot get that extra bit of detail from a speaker that doesn't have it to start with and that is the side of fence I chose to stand on.

Almost everyone I bring into my listening room, even people that have stated they do not like B&W speakers, when they hear my setup, they all say they have never heard B&W speakers sound like that at the store or at their other friends house, and they usually leave with a different opinion then they came in with.

I am not saying you should take my advice and purchase the 805 speakers, but I would be willing to help you in any way I could if you chose to go down that path. As for other speakers, I recently had the chance to hear some properly setup JTR speakers at a friends home, and I felt that they were incredible, and for a lot less money than B&W 805 speakers currently retail for. There are many other great alternatives as well. I haven't heard any of the Salk speakers, but they are highly recommended by many people on this forum I respect and you just may find those speakers or any other to your liking. But I would try and audition any speaker in the room you plan to place them in and get a good sense of how YOUR ROOM is going to interact with whatever speakers you decide to go with.
post #38 of 98
Listening helps!! I have been through Bose 321 and ACM 6, Aperion Verus, Klipsch RF, Energy RC series, Klipsch Ultra and now JTR Noesis when I receive them. I also just cancelled my order for Tekton Seos Pendragon since the manufacturer is many months past promised due date. For subs I have two SVS PB12s, dual Chase home theater SS 18.2P with dual Caps also on their way.

As you can see the journey to speaker heaven is a long one and once you find your perfect speakers you may realize there are no perfect speakers and its pretty fun trying out new toys!!

Anyway, best of luck and most importantly.......ENJOY!!!!!!!!!
post #39 of 98
Ok, I see the OP hasn't checked in, so I suspect he has tuned out all of the banter. mad.gif

The OP said he wants bookshelf/monitor speakers.

He is asking for suggestions… which to me in the audio world, is asking for opinions. (I've seen a few).

He has a fairly small listening room and already has in ceiling speakers and thinking bookshelf, so he probably needs/wants a high WAF speaker. The room size is about the same as mine and I wouldn't want big speakers. Although, he is considering two subs, so he may be wanting those high volume transients that exist mostly in movies. I would consider myself a 50/50 music/HT person as well. Although, I put a higher premium on the need for detailed music presentation.

In my room, I would consider the Salk HT2-TL as too big. They were much bigger in person than I thought. The JTR and Klipsch speakers mentioned in this thread wouldn't fit or look proper in my room either. Just my opinion guys.

I haven't auditioned as many speakers as many people on this forum.

But, the Salks that I have heard are extremely nice. Years ago, when I was buying speakers, I did listen to 800 series B&W speakers and I liked them. But, for a small room like this, I think the Salk 'Silk' would be worth listening to, and the Salk Supercharged SongTower. Somebody mentioned the Ascend Acoustics Sierra tower in a previous post, that seems like a good speaker to listen to as well.
post #40 of 98
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Originally Posted by Matts View Post

To the OP

If you are still considering B&W 805 Diamonds I will give you my opinion since I own these speakers. If you are serious about spending this kind of money, do yourself a huge favor, take a look at the room you plan to use these speakers in. Many people do not take into account the room they will place their speakers. This IS A HUGE MISTAKE. The room affects the sound of any speakers more than any other source, amp, driver selection or anything.

Hence the reason I suggested to look into a newer receiver with a more advanced room correction system such as MultEQ XT32.
post #41 of 98
The new Sierra-2 with the RAAL ribbon tweeters are going to be released soon. Those could be some really nice bookshelf speakers.
Another option could be some Seaton Sparks, although those might prove a little more difficult for the OP to listen too before buying.
post #42 of 98
I can empathize with the OP as replacing my fronts will be the last upgrade that I make to my system on my current upgrade rotation and I'll be looking to spend about what he is spending as well. I've listened to the 805D in a well treated room and thought they sounded excellent and moved them and the HTM4 to the top of my list. But then I decided to see what else was available in that same price range that might be better. I listened to the Totem Tribe III's, which are excellent especially for on wall speakers (if you want to save floor space I highly recommend giving them a listen); then I moved on to the Revel F206's which I liked more than the 805's, did not like the Paradigm Studio 60 which I heard in the same room, but my favorites were the Monitor Audio Gold GX200's. Much better in every respect than the B&W's. If you are limited to bookshelves I would listen to the Revel Performa M106 and Monitor Audio Gold GX100's and see if you like them more than the 805D. I have heard the Klipsch KL-650THX and liked them for both movies and music, but I would only select them if you are going to hide them, they aren't suitable for in room use from an aesthetic point of view. I feel the same way about the looks of the oft recommended JTRs, they might sound nice (I haven't heard them) but they are UGLY. I would also try and get a demo of the Triad In Room Gold LCR if you can, I'm looking for one myself.

On another note, while I have purchased and do own products that are sold ID, I would have a hard time ponying up that kind of money to a company that relied on a single person, no matter how talented, for its existence. That knocks a number of the more popular ID companies off of the list, but I think the true benefit of the ID model is value and for $7500 value is not necessarily the primary concern as you're pretty far along the price/performance curve at that point and all of your choices should be devoid of major flaws.
post #43 of 98
One good option would be to look at and demo a Focal Electra setup. The center and bookshelves are kinda close to that price, and I know that setup would compare extremely favorable compared to the B&W setup. I will echo what others have said though, if you are looking at speakers in that price range, you need to upgrade your electronics to match the performance of your speakers.
post #44 of 98
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Originally Posted by seifer300 View Post

I have been trolling these threads for awhile and I do not think its AcuDef's hatred of JTR its just I think he is just sick and tired of the JTR recommendation trend lately. In fact, if all the hype has been directed toward any other brand besides JTR he may dog those too.

Its great that many people love their JTRs (I hope so too once Jeff sends me my tracking info) but to take comments personal is just a waste of time. You all love them and that's great so who cares if AcuDef does not??

Acudef, I think in many of your posts you have been fair in recommending different brands along with measurements and all but no matter what you say nothing will change JTR owners minds so you should spare yourself the headache. Are JTRs the best? I have not yet heard them so I do not know but when people spend thousands of dollars on equipment they will defend them at any cost as if their speakers are their children per se. They will easily accept praise and vehemently reject criticism. So if you feel JTR sucks that is fine too!!

Once I get mine I will chime in with my thoughts. I really hope they are good since I went by recommendations by other owners. If they turn out to be garbage then I can always sell them and shame on me for believing the hype.

I know it says its my first post but I made my own account after constantly using my brothers (rics17).

Anyway, I hope the OP enjoys whatever choice is made and not worry about what others think like so many of us do.

Thanks.

It bugs me when any fanboy recommends his beloved speaker and defend it to death, but as soon as anyone else recommends a different speaker, like the KL650-THX, the fanboy makes derogatory remarks like "there are better speakers" as if they've compared the speakers so it's now FACT. biggrin.gif

The truth is, I have said several times in different threads that I TRULY believe JTR speakers probably sound as good as any speaker for both music and movies. But some people won't ever recall this at all. biggrin.gif

I own Salon2, B&W 802D2, KEF 201/2, Linkwitz Orion, Phil3, and few others. For me to say that JTR probably sounds as good as any speaker is extremely fair and probably even controversial by some standards. Most audiophiles I know would frown upon JTR, Seaton, etc, because most audiophiles I know believe strongly in speaker measurements and JTR, Seaton, and few others have none.

Most audiophiles will favor a few speakers here and there. I probably favor the broadest range, including Klipsch, B&W, and DefTech, when a lot of people would not. I think A LOT of speakers out there probably sound great just like the JTR & the Seaton. That probably makes me one of the most anti-audiophile. biggrin.gif

Like you, I believe that whatever sounds great is the key no matter what anyone says.

So I will take your advise and leave it at that. wink.gif
post #45 of 98
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Originally Posted by Sean Max View Post

I can empathize with the OP as replacing my fronts will be the last upgrade that I make to my system on my current upgrade rotation and I'll be looking to spend about what he is spending as well. I've listened to the 805D in a well treated room and thought they sounded excellent and moved them and the HTM4 to the top of my list. But then I decided to see what else was available in that same price range that might be better. I listened to the Totem Tribe III's, which are excellent especially for on wall speakers (if you want to save floor space I highly recommend giving them a listen); then I moved on to the Revel F206's which I liked more than the 805's, did not like the Paradigm Studio 60 which I heard in the same room, but my favorites were the Monitor Audio Gold GX200's. Much better in every respect than the B&W's. If you are limited to bookshelves I would listen to the Revel Performa M106 and Monitor Audio Gold GX100's and see if you like them more than the 805D. I have heard the Klipsch KL-650THX and liked them for both movies and music, but I would only select them if you are going to hide them, they aren't suitable for in room use from an aesthetic point of view. I feel the same way about the looks of the oft recommended JTRs, they might sound nice (I haven't heard them) but they are UGLY. I would also try and get a demo of the Triad In Room Gold LCR if you can, I'm looking for one myself.

On another note, while I have purchased and do own products that are sold ID, I would have a hard time ponying up that kind of money to a company that relied on a single person, no matter how talented, for its existence. That knocks a number of the more popular ID companies off of the list, but I think the true benefit of the ID model is value and for $7500 value is not necessarily the primary concern as you're pretty far along the price/performance curve at that point and all of your choices should be devoid of major flaws.

Just keep in mind that all companies had to start somewhere. Polk, Deftech, Klipsch, etc all were companies where one person was driving the innovation. Heck you can say the same thing about Bose smile.gif

In 15-20 years JTR, or Seaton could be very large companies. Maybe high end dealers would even carry them. Of course then the prices would be about 2-3 times what they are today too.

I also like your recommendation regarding Triad. The Gold LCR's would be on my shortlist.
post #46 of 98
I don't disagree with you, all of those companies had to start somewhere. I patronized SVS and Outlaw when they were both much smaller companies, but I wasn't spending the kind of money the OP is talking about. I would have no issues buying speakers from any of the ID companies going up to about the $3k - $4k range. Above that and I have a harder time mostly because a) the more money I spend on speakers the more I want to hear them and love them before I pull the trigger and b) when I spend that kind of money on speakers I don't plan to rotate them out in a year or two or even three. I plan to live with them for a good long while. Part of that is because of the amount of money, but also because I really need to hear a stark improvement over what I have to get me to pull the trigger on a speaker upgrade. The more you spend the harder that is to find (and the exponentially more expensive). I may also be a little more gun shy since I currently own Mirage speakers and they've ceased to exist. It can happen to any speaker company but it's just one more thing I add into my buying decision process.
post #47 of 98
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Thanks.

It bugs me when any fanboy recommends his beloved speaker and defend it to death, but as soon as anyone else recommends a different speaker, like the KL650-THX, the fanboy makes derogatory remarks like "there are better speakers" as if they've compared the speakers so it's now FACT. biggrin.gif

The truth is, I have said several times in different threads that I TRULY believe JTR speakers probably sound as good as any speaker for both music and movies. But some people won't ever recall this at all. biggrin.gif

I own Salon2, B&W 802D2, KEF 201/2, Linkwitz Orion, Phil3, and few others. For me to say that JTR probably sounds as good as any speaker is extremely fair and probably even controversial by some standards. Most audiophiles I know would frown upon JTR, Seaton, etc, because most audiophiles I know believe strongly in speaker measurements and JTR, Seaton, and few others have none.

Most audiophiles will favor a few speakers here and there. I probably favor the broadest range, including Klipsch, B&W, and DefTech, when a lot of people would not. I think A LOT of speakers out there probably sound great just like the JTR & the Seaton. That probably makes me one of the most anti-audiophile. biggrin.gif

Like you, I believe that whatever sounds great is the key no matter what anyone says.

So I will take your advise and leave it at that. wink.gif


Sounds good man. In fact I need to thank you. In one of your posts about sub recommendations I clicked on that CHT link and ending up buying two SS 18.2P and I am really in love with them!! That list was great and I really appreciate you putting in the time. Thank you.
post #48 of 98
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Originally Posted by Sean Max View Post

I don't disagree with you, all of those companies had to start somewhere. I patronized SVS and Outlaw when they were both much smaller companies, but I wasn't spending the kind of money the OP is talking about. I would have no issues buying speakers from any of the ID companies going up to about the $3k - $4k range. Above that and I have a harder time mostly because a) the more money I spend on speakers the more I want to hear them and love them before I pull the trigger and b) when I spend that kind of money on speakers I don't plan to rotate them out in a year or two or even three. I plan to live with them for a good long while. Part of that is because of the amount of money, but also because I really need to hear a stark improvement over what I have to get me to pull the trigger on a speaker upgrade. The more you spend the harder that is to find (and the exponentially more expensive). I may also be a little more gun shy since I currently own Mirage speakers and they've ceased to exist. It can happen to any speaker company but it's just one more thing I add into my buying decision process.

All reputable ID dealers I recommend have very good return policies. Worst case you are out shipping costs, and on a $7k budget, it is not that much money.

But, your concerns ae valid concerns and obviously, when buying speakers, you have to be comfortable with the process.
post #49 of 98
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Originally Posted by Need4spdnb View Post

One good option would be to look at and demo a Focal Electra setup. The center and bookshelves are kinda close to that price, and I know that setup would compare extremely favorable compared to the B&W setup. I will echo what others have said though, if you are looking at speakers in that price range, you need to upgrade your electronics to match the performance of your speakers.

With the price point of speakers I am looking at (say $5000 - $7500) for LCR, what price point would you suggest? I have heard many say on these forums that the majority of the dollars spent on a system should go to speakers.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR 805. It has worked great with no reliability issues. It has Audyssy MultiEQ XT. I would certainly benefit from XT-32 assuming I was to get another sub (I currently have on Rel Sub).

I have thought about the Denon 4520 for $2500 or Marantz 8801 ($3500) plus ATI amplifier AT3000 for $2000.
post #50 of 98
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Originally Posted by seifer300 View Post

Listening helps!! I have been through Bose 321 and ACM 6, Aperion Verus, Klipsch RF, Energy RC series, Klipsch Ultra and now JTR Noesis when I receive them. I also just cancelled my order for Tekton Seos Pendragon since the manufacturer is many months past promised due date. For subs I have two SVS PB12s, dual Chase home theater SS 18.2P with dual Caps also on their way.

As you can see the journey to speaker heaven is a long one and once you find your perfect speakers you may realize there are no perfect speakers and its pretty fun trying out new toys!!

Anyway, best of luck and most importantly.......ENJOY!!!!!!!!!

I got sick of seeing people droping a lot of money on a new setup only to get a bad case of buyers remorse, so I put together a few threads to consolidate the "journey" that many AVSers have taken to achieve satisfaction. The intent of the threads are to help people like the OP get a feel purchasing decisions made by fellow hobbiyst and serve as a point to cross reference upgrade trends. The end goal be able to make an informed purchasing decision (based on actual experiences) and skip the unnecessary purchases.

Here are the threads. Post 3 of each thread is the consolidated list of all of those who have contributed:

Speaker Ownership - Your Path to Satisfaction:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444189/speaker-ownership-your-path-to-satisfaction/0_100#post_22679437

Subwoofer Ownership - Your Path to Satisfaction:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444191/subwoofer-ownership-your-path-to-satisfaction/0_100

AcuDefTechGuy, you have owned A LOT of gear. I would love to see your contribution to the threads. At least the speaker ownership one. It would be great to see more input, so I invite all to provide input if you haven't already.

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post #51 of 98
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Originally Posted by Sean Max View Post


On another note, while I have purchased and do own products that are sold ID, I would have a hard time ponying up that kind of money to a company that relied on a single person, no matter how talented, for its existence. That knocks a number of the more popular ID companies off of the list, but I think the true benefit of the ID model is value and for $7500 value is not necessarily the primary concern as you're pretty far along the price/performance curve at that point and all of your choices should be devoid of major flaws.

When buying speakers, I am not quite as worried about the one key person getting hit by the bus scenario as you are here. I am having a hard time determining what scenario would lead to a bad outcome if I bought a Salk speaker and Jim Salk died of a heart attack the next day. I would lose some of the advantages because it would be more unlikely that I could upgrade a driver someday. But even if a driver were to blow, most of the drivers are available through the manufacturer, Seas, Scan Speak, Raal, etc., it would not be impossible or even difficult to fix these problems. I found this link on ID dealers, which I found interesting, http://www.audioholics.com/buying-guides/how-to-shop/internet-direct-comparison
post #52 of 98
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Originally Posted by deeda View Post

With the price point of speakers I am looking at (say $5000 - $7500) for LCR, what price point would you suggest? I have heard many say on these forums that the majority of the dollars spent on a system should go to speakers.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR 805. It has worked great with no reliability issues. It has Audyssy MultiEQ XT. I would certainly benefit from XT-32 assuming I was to get another sub (I currently have on Rel Sub).

I have thought about the Denon 4520 for $2500 or Marantz 8801 ($3500) plus ATI amplifier AT3000 for $2000.

Your receiver is starting to show some age… but I don't think I would call it outdated yet. I am not one to think you have to upgrade everything at once… it takes the fun out of the journey. But, you have pre-outs on the amp, so it would be easy to add the ATI amplifier that you are thinking about.

However, I think the speakers are doing the hardest work and deserve the largest part of the budget.
post #53 of 98
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Originally Posted by seifer300 View Post

Sounds good man. In fact I need to thank you. In one of your posts about sub recommendations I clicked on that CHT link and ending up buying two SS 18.2P and I am really in love with them!! That list was great and I really appreciate you putting in the time. Thank you.

Oh, man, I love passive subs. If I had the space in my family room, I probably would have gotten that $700 CHT VS18.1 sub.

CEA Standard (THD <10%, except for BIC sub) 2 Meters SPL @ 20/32/40/50/63 Hz:
$9,000 Paradigm Sig Sub2: 106.4/109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
$900 Hsu VTF-15H: 103.9/113.0/115.7/115.7/115.6
$5,000 Velodyne DD18+: 103.4/113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
$2,000 SVS PB13 Ultra: 110.6/113.5/115.5/117.5/117.8
$700 Chase HT VS18.1: 111.1/ 116.0/118.1/117.8/117.2
$1,200 Rythmik FV15HP: 108.1/117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8

I bet the 18.2 is even better!
post #54 of 98
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I got sick of seeing people droping a lot of money on a new setup only to get a bad case of buyers remorse, so I put together a few threads to consolidate the "journey" that many AVSers have taken to achieve satisfaction. The intent of the threads are to help people like the OP get a feel purchasing decisions made by fellow hobbiyst and serve as a point to cross reference upgrade trends. The end goal be able to make an informed purchasing decision (based on actual experiences) and skip the unnecessary purchases.

Here are the threads. Post 3 of each thread is the consolidated list of all of those who have contributed:

Speaker Ownership - Your Path to Satisfaction:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444189/speaker-ownership-your-path-to-satisfaction/0_100#post_22679437

Subwoofer Ownership - Your Path to Satisfaction:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444191/subwoofer-ownership-your-path-to-satisfaction/0_100

AcuDefTechGuy, you have owned A LOT of gear. I would love to see your contribution to the threads. At least the speaker ownership one. It would be great to see more input, so I invite all to provide input if you haven't already.

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Thanks for the threads. It was nice to see all the types of gear people have owned. DIY seems like the next logical path to go but I am happy now. If I had to do over again I would still do what I did with the exception of Bose of course but it was a learning experience. I would never have been able to hear the difference for myself if I just went straight to the Noesis and couldn't make comparisons with other brands. What fun is that? smile.gif

Lucky for me I dealt with dealers who gave full refunds with the exception of my SVS subs which I just gave to my brother for a gift so its all good. If it weren't for that yes I agree with you that a lot of money was wasted. Time was wasted packing and returning to the stores but I do not feel time was wasted listening to each and now knowing that I can tell someone to avoid this and get that. Had I skipped to the end I could not provide that.

Great threads though. Thanks again!
post #55 of 98
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Oh, man, I love passive subs. If I had the space in my family room, I probably would have gotten that $700 CHT VS18.1 sub.

CEA Standard (THD <10%, except for BIC sub) 2 Meters SPL @ 20/32/40/50/63 Hz:
$9,000 Paradigm Sig Sub2: 106.4/109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
$900 Hsu VTF-15H: 103.9/113.0/115.7/115.7/115.6
$5,000 Velodyne DD18+: 103.4/113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
$2,000 SVS PB13 Ultra: 110.6/113.5/115.5/117.5/117.8
$700 Chase HT VS18.1: 111.1/ 116.0/118.1/117.8/117.2
$1,200 Rythmik FV15HP: 108.1/117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8

I bet the 18.2 is even better!

Its freaking awesome man!! Craig makes a mean sub!! They are huge though.
post #56 of 98
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Originally Posted by deeda View Post

With the price point of speakers I am looking at (say $5000 - $7500) for LCR, what price point would you suggest? I have heard many say on these forums that the majority of the dollars spent on a system should go to speakers.

I have an Onkyo TX-SR 805. It has worked great with no reliability issues. It has Audyssy MultiEQ XT. I would certainly benefit from XT-32 assuming I was to get another sub (I currently have on Rel Sub).

I have thought about the Denon 4520 for $2500 or Marantz 8801 ($3500) plus ATI amplifier AT3000 for $2000.

I like the Denon 4520 or the new $1300 MSRP Denon X4000, which also has XT32 + independent dual subEQ. The AT3000 is a beast. I use them to power my Salon2, B&W 802D2, dual Funk 18.0 subs, etc. Awesome fully balanced and I appreciate the fuse-less protection circuit. The fact that ATI makes some amps for Mark Levinson, Lexicon, JBL, Theta Digital, B&K, and Cary Audio did not influence me one bit I tell you!, wink.gif
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Why would he get a Soundscape center with HT2-TL's? Those do not match at all. There is a Veracity center and Jim will build any center to match the mains.

Actually, Salk speakers are voiced the same so a SoundScape center would work very well with a Veracity L/R.

Another brand the OP should consider is Soundfield Audio. Don't be fooled by the low price, AJ's speakers offer serious bang for the buck.

http://www.soundfieldaudio.net/
post #58 of 98
My point being, you would want the center to be the same as the mains. The SS center is not the same as the Veracity line. Why would you want to get a center that doesnt exactly match the mains? Whatever.... Do what you want.
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Actually, Salk speakers are voiced the same so a SoundScape center would work very well with a Veracity L/R.

http://www.soundfieldaudio.net/

I am not always sure what is meant by 'Voiced'…? Described as a FR graph...

I know that my center isn't even close to my mains… but it sounds ok, although it is probably first on my upgrade list. Due to family resemblance (same designers and goals), SS center will probably work fine…. but I would save a $1k or so and get the veracity center. Although, the 3 way should eliminate/reduce lobing issues for better off axis response.
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Originally Posted by D54Smith View Post

I am not always sure what is meant by 'Voiced'…? Described as a FR graph...

I know that my center isn't even close to my mains… but it sounds ok, although it is probably first on my upgrade list. Due to family resemblance (same designers and goals), SS center will probably work fine…. but I would save a $1k or so and get the veracity center. Although, the 3 way should eliminate/reduce lobing issues for better off axis response.

My understanding of "voiced" is having the same tonal balance (ie - same frequency response and tonal balance from octave to octave). Having heard SongTowers, Veracitys, and SS, they all have the same tonal balance (or voiced the same). However, like you mentioned, the SS center has advantages over the MTM designs due to it's 3 way design with the mid and tweeter in vertical alignment.
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