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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
First of all Thanks for all the comments, critics and suggestions for helping me purchase a Polk LSI Home theater.

Front: Polk LSI15.
Center: Polk LSI C
Surround: Polk LSI 7
Receiver: Pioneer SC-1522
Amplifier: Used Parasound HCA-1200 ii. (300 watts per channel at 4 ohms).

I started out with a budget of $800 and far exceeded it with the LSI series. They produce true, clear sound. As mentioned by others the sound imaging is unbelievable. But the LSI15s lack low end Bass. I can tell while watching movies where the bass wasn't just enough.

So I'm looking for a Budget SubWoofer. Can we stick to budget atleast here please?

1) BIC America F12 - $197 on Amazon.
2) Polk PSW505 - $235 on Amazon.
3) Please suggest ..

So what do you think? I have a strict cutoff at @250 since I went over board on my speaker and receiver budget by more than $1500.

Call me El Cheapo. But suggest some good Sub Woofers which are on sale to go with the LSI home theater. My pick is BIC F12 since it can go down to 20 Hz. Suggestions?

Thanks - this forum rocks!
Edited by peerguy - 5/8/13 at 12:54pm
post #2 of 26
The budget Sub that get recommended around here is Klipsch RW-12D which is on sale now at newegg for 280( little above your budget). I own this and so far have liked it.
post #3 of 26
Spring for a little more $ and go with the Klipsch RW-12D. It is usually available from NewEgg for $280-$300.
post #4 of 26
Klipsch also has a 10 inch sub, the synergy, which would be better than alot of options and when I bought the synergy, it was right around 160 dollars!
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

Spring for a little more $ and go with the Klipsch RW-12D. It is usually available from NewEgg for $280-$300.

I posted the question on another AV Receiver thread I started and received the same response. Klipsch RW-12D.

looks like the klipsch is winning votes unianimously. I wonder why.. I saw some online forums report Port Chuffing at high volumes on the Klipsch. Can you please explain why you would pick the Klipsch RW-12D over the Bic America F12 which is retailin for less than $200 on Amazon?

I've checked AVS Forums for the comparison and they all point to the Klipsch over the F12. Is it because of more decibels at low frequency? or Build quality? Or glass shattering Bass? I'll go audtion at a local store today if they have it.

On another note: How the hell does Best buy or any other local store compete with NewEgg and Amazon? Local stores have become audition centers and we go online to buy. LOL.

Thanks,
Peerguy (striving to build a budget system and threw the word BUDGET into the trashcan)
Edited by peerguy - 5/8/13 at 12:54pm
post #6 of 26

It won't have any port chuffing if you don't run it too hot trying to make it do more than it's capable of. For $280 it's as good as you're going to get IMO. I've owned both the 505 and RW-12D in the past and the Klipsch is very clearly the better sub. You won't find the RW-12D at BB and trying to audition a sub in a space that large would be pointless. The RW12D would definitely be my choice. Depending on your room size you may want to add a 2nd one later down the road.

 

You'll find a budget subwoofer thread in the Sub forum if you look for it.

post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
You know what I trust this forum. I bought the Klipsch RW-12D on New Egg. Now for the tough part. The only way I can get this to enter the house is if I can justify using it as some table top. My GF will not let this in as I've already convinced her about the LSI home theater with great difficulty.

So is it ok to use this sub as a table top? to put books, pens, other non electronic stuff? I want to tuck this thing away with a table cloth on top (not on the front and sides) and not make it evident that its a Sub. confused.gif

I've put this together with a long term view to fit into a bigger home in 2-3 years. For now god help thy neighbors next door, upstairs and downsairs apartments. AMEN!

Front: Polk LSI15.
Center: Polk LSI C
Surround: Polk LSI 7
Sub Woofer: Klipsch RW-12D
Receiver: Pioneer SC-1522
Amplifier: Used Parasound HCA-1200 ii. (300 watts per channel at 4 ohms).
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by peerguy View Post

So is it ok to use this sub as a table top? to put books, pens, other non electronic stuff? I want to tuck this thing away with a table cloth on top (not on the front and sides) and not make it evident that its a Sub. confused.gif

I've put this together with a long term view to fit into a bigger home in 2-3 years. For now god help thy neighbors next door, upstairs and downsairs apartments. AMEN!

Front: Polk LSI15.
Center: Polk LSI C
Surround: Polk LSI 7
Sub Woofer: Klipsch RW-12D
Receiver: Pioneer SC-1522
Amplifier: Used Parasound HCA-1200 ii. (300 watts per channel at 4 ohms).

 

Sure, you can put a table cloth on top with other things on top of that. Being in an apt. you'll most likely have to keep the sub level down till you move and let her loose after that. Those low frequencies will travel though those walls like a knife through butter.


Edited by XStanleyX - 5/8/13 at 12:17pm
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
Question:

Klipsch RW-12D can handle low's till 20Hz. LSI 15's can handle I think 50Hz and above. so would it be good to set cross over at 50 Hz on the receiver? Correct me if I got the concept of crossover wrong..

Thanks,
Peerguy
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by peerguy View Post

Question:

Klipsch RW-12D can handle low's till 20Hz. LSI 15's can handle I think 50Hz and above. so would it be good to set cross over at 50 Hz on the receiver? Correct me if I got the concept of crossover wrong..

Thanks,
Peerguy

 

I used to run the LSi15's with a RW-12D with the crossover set to 80Hz for the sub and speakers. Just set them to what sounds best to your ears. Doesn't hurt to play with the settings.

post #11 of 26
Usually you want a small amount of overlap in your crossover...so if your tower can get down to 50 hz, then I would recommend crossing over at 60-70hz. But as suggested, try multiple cross over points and see what sounds best!
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by peerguy View Post

I posted the question on another AV Receiver thread I started and received the same response. Klipsch RW-12D.

looks like the klipsch is winning votes unianimously. I wonder why.. I saw some online forums report Port Chuffing at high volumes on the Klipsch. Can you please explain why you would pick the Klipsch RW-12D over the Bic America F12 which is retailin for less than $200 on Amazon?

I've checked AVS Forums for the comparison and they all point to the Klipsch over the F12. Is it because of more decibels at low frequency? or Build quality? Or glass shattering Bass? I'll go audtion at a local store today if they have it.

To echo what everyone else has said, the Klipsch has better SQ, better low frequency extension, and better max output. All around, a better sub. And if you want better quality than that, you'll have to spend $600 to $800 and get a big sub from one of the Internet sub vendors: HSU, Outlaw Audio, SVS, Rythmik Audio, or Power Sound Audio.
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post

Usually you want a small amount of overlap in your crossover...so if your tower can get down to 50 hz, then I would recommend crossing over at 60-70hz. But as suggested, try multiple cross over points and see what sounds best!

Agreed. A lot of times you'll hear people recommend 80hz as a crossover. But lower is fine if it it sounds better to you given your speakers have pretty low extension.
post #14 of 26
Nice, I was in a similar position

Polk LSi 25
Pioneer SC-1522 K (no external amp tho)

The subs with the LSi's seem pretty decent after I had tweaked them but still wanted better bass. Was set on the BIC F12 until I compared it to the spec and price difference to the Klipsch. I am waiting for my Klipsch RW-12D from Newegg. I haven't personally listened to these subs so it's all based on information found on the forums & online. **Fingers crossed** Lemme know about your experience with the sub and blending in with the Lsi's.
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by jubei951 View Post

Nice, I was in a similar position

Polk LSi 25
Pioneer SC-1522 K (no external amp tho)

The subs with the LSi's seem pretty decent after I had tweaked them but still wanted better bass. Was set on the BIC F12 until I compared it to the spec and price difference to the Klipsch. I am waiting for my Klipsch RW-12D from Newegg. I haven't personally listened to these subs so it's all based on information found on the forums & online. **Fingers crossed** Lemme know about your experience with the sub and blending in with the Lsi's.

In the past 2 months:

1) Auditioned the Polk PSW 110 - Purchased for $89 on Amazon. I thought it was a waste of $89. Returned it.

2) Auditioned the Polk PSW 505 - Purchased on Amazon for sale aroud $200. Decent sub. But I was not happy. Returned it.

3) Was deciding between the BIC F12 and Klipsch RW-12D. With the help of this forum I got the Klipsch from Newegg. Plugged it on yesterday. Played the 'Dolby DTS Jurassic' on Youtube. My dog started barking at the sub everytime the T-Rex walked. Obviously my dog ran away when the T-Rex roared. Its that good. I'm keeping it!!

As for the Bic F12 - I'll never know.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by peerguy View Post

 I saw some online forums report Port Chuffing at high volumes on the Klipsch.

I was able to get it to chuff (strange sound, that). The demo scene from Pulse did it. At no other time have I had the slightest trouble (you will read reports of loose ports, which is an easy fix). Very highly recommended, especially at the new low, which seems to be $280. And you can use ebates.com for 1% back. Close enough? smile.gif

Michael


Edited by LastButNotLeast - 5/10/13 at 7:56am
post #17 of 26
Do yourself a favor and save up for something better than a budget sub. The LSI are excellent speakers, and you have a very decent setup. The compromise will not make you content, IMO.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Do yourself a favor and save up for something better than a budget sub. The LSI are excellent speakers, and you have a very decent setup. The compromise will not make you content, IMO.

Yeah, spring for the RW-12D for $30-$50 more. Eat KD for lunch for a few weeks if you have to.

I got the 505 for my uncle recently, it does sound really good for the price I paid but the 12D is really awesome for the price.
post #19 of 26

I think Nethawk means "better" as in SVS, HSU, etc.

The point is the Klipsch isn't really a "budget" sub. It's been discontinued (for a while, actually) and is available for a great price.

And when the OP is ready for another sub, the 12d will probably still be good as a second (I have two, my 12d is the newer and better of the two).

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I think Nethawk means "better" as in SVS, HSU, etc.
The point is the Klipsch isn't really a "budget" sub. It's been discontinued (for a while, actually) and is available for a great price.
And when the OP is ready for another sub, the 12d will probably still be good as a second (I have two, my 12d is the newer and better of the two).

This^. You'll be shocked at how far that $280 went when you hook it up. Your jaw will also drop when you see the size of the box it comes in. My gf wanted to kill me when she saw the outer box size. After I opened up the outer box, the knife to the neck turned into a solid slap.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post

This^. You'll be shocked at how far that $280 went when you hook it up. Your jaw will also drop when you see the size of the box it comes in. My gf wanted to kill me when she saw the outer box size. After I opened up the outer box, the knife to the neck turned into a solid slap.
Ha ha. Same story here. We were shocked at the size of the sub. I constantly kept saying I'll use it as a table top to store her books and pens and all non electronic stuff. Sigh! However we watched Titanic and were blown away.
post #22 of 26
Thread Starter 
Alright .. Here's a twist. I'm looking to mod the lsi 15's inbuilt sub. Technically the inbuilt sub can't go below 50hz. I'm looking for a mod to make it go as low as 30 or even 20 hz with a quick response.

Any ideas? Did anyone do this?
post #23 of 26
I'm sure the response of the built in sub is limited with the combination of the sub itself and the crossover. Requires more work than what its worth. Your best bet, get a good quality sub and cross the LSi's to 80hz as recommended already. Leave the speakers stock, IMO.
post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks Nethawk and Cvetan1. I followed your advise.
I purchased a PSA XV15 yesterday. Researched for 2 months and finally picked PSA xv15 from a pool of HSU, Rythmik, SVS, PSA, Outlaw, and Epik.

Price point, 15" driver, low frequency extension (upto 16hz) warranty, Tom's support on the forums and user reviews helped make the decision. I'm sure it'll be a good upgrade over the klipsch rw-12d.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by peerguy View Post

Thanks Nethawk and Cvetan1. I followed your advise.
I purchased a PSA XV15 yesterday. Researched for 2 months and finally picked PSA xv15 from a pool of HSU, Rythmik, SVS, PSA, Outlaw, and Epik.

Price point, 15" driver, low frequency extension (upto 16hz) warranty, Tom's support on the forums and user reviews helped make the decision. I'm sure it'll be a good upgrade over the klipsch rw-12d.

Hah! did you trade in your GF on the new sub? what did you do with the Klipsch?
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post

Hah! did you trade in your GF on the new sub? what did you do with the Klipsch?

I sold it to my cousin. He was impressed with the sub for the price. Worked out well for me!
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