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Your Ubuntu security *flaw* is kind of a ridiculous point out. I've read it a couple times, and I just don't see the glaring issue. The flaw is based in the unity desktop environment

Why not just use Ubuntu minimal as a starting point, and then *pick* a more secure / robust / lightweight desktop environment. When you find out which one is a perfect balance of those please let me know
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I know you strongly support Ubuntu, but here is what it's about: Canonical is forwarding your every search to Amazon.

I guess what I'm trying to point out follows this logic
  • Canonical forwards every search from the Dash in the Unity desktop environment
  • A "minimal" cd doesn't include a desktop environment, and by consequence is forwarding nothing
  • BYO Desktop environment, choose what you like. Also, let me know which one you like, I'll take a look
  • Debian is giving you the out-of-date repo blues, you could bypass that
  • The default desktop environment is a security issue for you, so don't use that environment
  • Use XFCE, KDE, LXDE on top of minimal, problem solved?

If the vulnerability you speak of "reaches" further than unity could you explain? Or link me somewhere that does because I might not be the best at reading comprehension, but that's how I understand the problem as stated.
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I haven't seen proof of this. There is Lynx. At this point, given their behavior I don't trust them.
There is Lynx? I don't follow what this means, but if you are saying that you've seen proof that the issues you posted about exist outside of the Unity interface - then I'd say I haven't seen that smile.gif I don't think that's what you are saying . . . below
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Ubongo is out for me, period. It's a trust issue.
This I understand. It's a "once-the-camel's-nose-is-in-the-tent" type thing? I get that
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I get the security state issue, and I know what HR departments do (and heck what my IT department does as well) so I know where you are coming from quantum. I'm still using Ubuntu, mostly out of convenience and time at this point, and familiarity for my family. Well, I actually left Ubuntu when Unity became the default, and went with Kubuntu, which isn't maintained by Canonical as of last year, if that makes a difference for you (not wanting to support Canonical as a company and all). I really am not a fan of all the privacy infringements, but at least I am fairly aware of them and know what I will and won't do to protect myself.

If I get the time to play again, Arch was gonna be the next distro I was going to try and really get into. I hadn't heard of Manjaro... But then I haven't really been looking. My next major upgrade cycle for my machines is next year. Maybe I'll give it a try then.


There is also a debian based Mint installation. I don't know if it has more updated software than Debian Testing or not...
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My N76VZ has the Intel GPU, and nVidia 650. With the right software (Bumblebee), the energy-efficient Intel will run most of the time with the nVidia card shut off (to save energy), and when demanded the nVidia will take over. You can manually invoke the nVidia card by preceding the command with 'primusrun'.

First, nice review. Looks like a nice notebook, and there's a used one on Amazon for $980 right now. Where did you find it in stock, doesn't appear to be widely available? Nice thought on the wireless upgrade as well

Second, for others as I'm sure you already know, the nVidia card doesn't ever shutoff with Optimus just hits idle (which is still pretty good)

Also on a tangent, back in 2011 they were going to bring Optimus to desktops with the name Synergy "within a year." Faster-forward, and none of the new destkop GTX 6XX line breaks 20W idle with the exception going to the 4GB 690. The Titan is said to idle at about 10W and the more common 650/650Ti/660 idle around 7W. 7970 about 12 and 7770 about 7

I assume that due to the increasing low power efficiencies, the synergy release was never realized. It's considered more effective in desktops to utilize a "low power optimized" dGPU and shutoff the integrated, but I've not seen any provable results that this is the best. The thought would be that logically you'll either have the integrated doing nothing or the dGPU doing nothing at some point, and if you choose to let the dGPU do nothing it'll cost more to idle than just sacrificing the extra juice to let it do the task since you can disable the hd4000. The only time that should cause issue would be quiksync users
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And actually, according to the Bumblebee developer, the nVidia card is in very low power mode, practically off, unless manually invoked. I have no way of proving this though. With Optimus, the only use the nVidia card is put to is opengl gaming. Just about everything else is on the Intel. I have in mind engaging the nVidia engines though for heavy processing, like password cracking, through CUDA. I suspect this will involve compiling the target app with the CUDA SDK

Interesting. Never used optimus in linux. I would think it functions similar to windows. If you shift+right-click an app the shell menu gives you the option to "Run with Graphics Processor" where you can pick either one. Intel is default as you mentioned. Not sure if they would have a terminal option, but bumblebee sounds dead simple to run from terminal.

Along that line, something I've always wanted to see but never seen any fairly done comparisons of would be battery life showdown. I assume your ebay item came with W7 x64. I always wanted to know a comparitive "rundown" time for a different OS. To be fair it should probably use similarly available stuff, like full charge -> power on -> open Firefox and loop video until death (W7 vs lubuntu - or manjaro, etc). Same with XBMC or VLC. Also, several Asus notebooks have a new marketing line they tag the ad with along the lines of "2 weeks standby time." I'd assume this is either, S4 with low-power suspend SDD worked out, or S3 with low-power RAM. I don't really know which, but either way I've always been curious about using "suspend to disk" in nix and whether that would cause any HDD thrashing or which distros can preserve the standby power states advertised in newer notebooks (mostly Acer Asus from what I've seen)

Finally, BT has some pre-baked cuda tools link. Never had the hardware to test
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I would figure that you would be into Tails, Liberte or LPS. I seem to remember DW reviewing a distro that used totally free software, but I don't remember what it was.
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20121105
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And thanks, but that BT page is blank.
Whoops http://www.backtrack-linux.org/documents/BACKTRACK_CUDA_v2.0.pdf

Kinda outdated anyway
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Before I install the Intel driver I get ~37% CPU while watching an h.264 video in Myth. After installing the driver it's around 11%

Makes sense now, and not incredibly familiar with Myth. In video playback software there are a few main h/w acceleration areas: decoding, render, deinteralce (if applicable), and scaling. In XBMC for example, you can software decode but still use gpu assisted rendering/scaling. The settings are quite scattered, but the main "Settings->Videos->Playback" line that says "Allow hardware acceleration" will put everything to hardware acceleration (which accordingly isn't the best video scaling option, but I don't see much difference). Toggling on/off with a desktop i3 shows utilization of ~26% (off) and ~5% (on)

Without appropriate h/w driver and software support for that driver, the bruteforce method is performed for all (software decode, render, deinterlace, and scaling). Funny that the current line of mobile i7s can handle that without really being taxed, and still display frames without stutter (1 frame per 42 milliseconds for 1080p/24)
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Hm, I've been curious about XBMC, but I am absolutely sticking with the Myth backend due to my particular recording device. Can XBMC set recordings? Delete them? Perform all the functions that the Myth frontend does (including Android remote control operation)? Is anyone actually using XBMC with the Myth backend?

Well. . . surprisingly the Myth integration in XBMC has been around the longest (I believe since Eden alpha) yet even the basics haven't been completely ironed out. As to setting recordings, yes. Setting a series to record? Not there yet as far as I know. Delete recordings? Yes. Android remote? Based on your security requirements, I'm not sure how you'd view it, but there are two great Android remotes for XBMC. The official Team-XBMC remote and another called Yatse developed by Tolriq. Yatse seems to cache your library much quicker, and from what I can tell Tolriq has been much more responsive on bug-fixes and feature additions. It also lets you send video links to XBMC, which is nice if you have the appropriate addon installed. Example HTPC scenario: an in-law wants you to see the youtube clip: Gangham Style. Assuming you have the youtube add on installed in XBMC, then just do a browser search (on android device with Yatse installed) and when you touch the youtube link a context menu will ask (Play in Youtube, Play in Browser, or Send to XBMC) whereafter you can view that annoying clip on your HTPC in fullscreen

As to using XBMC with Myth, it's been on my to do list but I've never gotten around to trying it out. Maybe not in this forum, but http://forum.xbmc.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=170

Also, as to not having basics ironed out, I was referring to series recording (which no backend currently supports with their XBMC addon as I'm aware) and recordings *actually* showing up. People were having to restart XBMC or reset the PVR database to get them to show up rolleyes.gif so clearly not all the frontend/backend communication is rock solid yet. In my opinion an XBMC addon brings a lot more visibility and users to Myth, whether that's good or bad could be debatable. If you wanted to see how many different ways something can break, it's the perfect way to do it
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