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post #211 of 869
After seeing people complain about channel changing times, I ran some tests last night. On my InfiniTV 6 ETH's, I'm seeing channel changes typically take around 3 seconds. I never bothered timing channel changes in my InfiniTV 4 PCIe's, so I can't say how the time compares, but 3 seconds isn't an issue for me.

All the relevant gear is hooked up to a HP ProCurve 1810G 24 port Gigabit switch, which is connected to a ZyXEL ZyWALL USG 100 router.
post #212 of 869
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

After seeing people complain about channel changing times, I ran some tests last night. On my InfiniTV 6 ETH's, I'm seeing channel changes typically take around 3 seconds. I never bothered timing channel changes in my InfiniTV 4 PCIe's, so I can't say how the time compares, but 3 seconds isn't an issue for me.

All the relevant gear is hooked up to a HP ProCurve 1810G 24 port Gigabit switch, which is connected to a ZyXEL ZyWALL USG 100 router.

what version of the FW are you running again? I am nowhere near 3 seconds. I am now seeing more like 10 seconds. I was seeing 3 seconds prior to going PCIe + ETH
post #213 of 869
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

what version of the FW are you running again? I am nowhere near 3 seconds. I am now seeing more like 10 seconds. I was seeing 3 seconds prior to going PCIe + ETH
I'm running the latest:

Driver Package Version: 13.3.22.1342
InfiniTV Firmware Version: 13.5.6.133
InfiniTV Hardware Version: 7359
post #214 of 869
On my SD Prime, my average channel tuning speed is about 1 to 1.5 seconds on non-SDV channels. Around 1 to 2 second for SDV channels because of the extra delay from cable plant.
post #215 of 869
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post

After seeing people complain about channel changing times, I ran some tests last night. On my InfiniTV 6 ETH's, I'm seeing channel changes typically take around 3 seconds. I never bothered timing channel changes in my InfiniTV 4 PCIe's, so I can't say how the time compares, but 3 seconds isn't an issue for me.

All the relevant gear is hooked up to a HP ProCurve 1810G 24 port Gigabit switch, which is connected to a ZyXEL ZyWALL USG 100 router.

Try rebooting your HTPC and then doing it again - as in the first time you tune in a channel after a reboot.

EDIT: Also, if you could check your diagnostics and see if you have the PCIe drivers installed (it would tell you a version if you do, and not installed if you do not). I show them as installed even though I uninstalled them prior to installing the Ethernet device.
post #216 of 869
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Try rebooting your HTPC and then doing it again - as in the first time you tune in a channel after a reboot.
I happened to just reboot the PC - the first time tuning to a channel appears to take around 10 seconds. But I can easily live with this as I usually leave the PC running 24/7.
Quote:
EDIT: Also, if you could check your diagnostics and see if you have the PCIe drivers installed (it would tell you a version if you do, and not installed if you do not). I show them as installed even though I uninstalled them prior to installing the Ethernet device.
PCIe driver version 1.0.2.4 is installed, but my InfiniTV 4 PCIe cards have both been removed from the PC.
post #217 of 869
My Inf4 is also removed - I was hoping that was the difference, but it is not.

I timed everything and I my channel tuning was between 10 and 30 seconds per channel. My system always picks tuner 4 as its favorite tuner - no idea why. I turned off the PC and powered down the Ceton Eth for 10 seconds, then powered it on, then the HTPC. In the process of which I also moved the cooling fan I have blowing on it (an 80mm fan I have rigged to run off USB - so only 5v - it is slow and silent) to the front portion of the underside of the Ceton Eth. Previously I had it on the back portion of the underside. It is blowing into the Ceton Eth - the bottom was MUCH hotter than the top which is why I did this.

My channel changing has suddenly dropped from 30 seconds to only 3 seconds for the first tuning - and then under 2 seconds for each tuning thereafter. I am amazed, to say the least. Maybe the power cycle did it, but I am leaning towards the fan placement. My tuners now stay under 40C (Ceton Eth is in the basement where it is cool by default) where before they rose to the upper 40s. I am going to continue to time changes over the next few days and see if the slowness returns.
post #218 of 869
I decided to remove the PCIe card completely from my HTPC and try just the ETH and vice versa. The PCIe card on avg tunes in about 2 seconds almost always. The almost, relates to when i tune to or from an encrypted channel (HBO, MAX). the PCIe card takes about 5 seonds.

However, my ETH card takes 4-5 seconds for normal unencrypted changes and 10 seconds for the almost situation.

I verified my network and the connections to the HTPC and my dlink switch is rock solid transferring a 20Gig bluray rip to my Server at ~180 plus continual. I am even getting via ~98 regularly via moca.

I did notice and will adjust right after this that my ETH was on a coax log that was after a amplifier and the signals were between 13.6 - 17.1 WOW.. The SNR was high as well 37.8-39. Iam in process of moving the ETH to same run as that wich is feeding the PCI'e. I could def live with 2-3 very happily.

Forgot temps were pretty close

57 - PCIe
61 -ETH
post #219 of 869
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I decided to remove the PCIe card completely from my HTPC and try just the ETH and vice versa. The PCIe card on avg tunes in about 2 seconds almost always. The almost, relates to when i tune to or from an encrypted channel (HBO, MAX). the PCIe card takes about 5 seonds.

However, my ETH card takes 4-5 seconds for normal unencrypted changes and 10 seconds for the almost situation.

I verified my network and the connections to the HTPC and my dlink switch is rock solid transferring a 20Gig bluray rip to my Server at ~180 plus continual. I am even getting via ~98 regularly via moca.

I did notice and will adjust right after this that my ETH was on a coax log that was after a amplifier and the signals were between 13.6 - 17.1 WOW.. The SNR was high as well 37.8-39. Iam in process of moving the ETH to same run as that wich is feeding the PCI'e. I could def live with 2-3 very happily.

Forgot temps were pretty close

57 - PCIe
61 -ETH

Alright I was able after some fiddling get the after initial channel change times down to a very reasonable ~2.5-3 seconds per change. In my case it seems that a very high signal level >13.5 may have been the culprit of the slow tuning. In my haste to add the ETH to my system, I didn't pay attention to which feed I was using. I have one with an amplifier (Fed the PCIe tuner and 3 additional rooms) and one without. The one with the amp was producing a very high signal which the ETH didn't like. Once I switched the feeds all is well. For others who may be experiencing the same it wouldn't hurt to start with a simple check of signal strength.

post #220 of 869
OK, my signals are WAY up there...as in +9.5 I will add a splitter to drop the strength and see what it does.

EDIT: Well, my splitter did not do much...but it is down to about +6 (I suppose I should have expected that - since they cause a -3.5dB drop). The times are a bit peppier. I will buy an attenuator and see what happens.

EDIT: I actually have a -6dB attenuator left for me by the FiOS tech. He told me that FiOS runs very hot and they often have to use an attenuator after splitting the signal in order to make it low enough for the proper operation of many cable boxes. After using both the splitter and an attenuator, my signal is around -2dB (varies on which tuner I look at). I rebooted my PC to do a fresh test. The initial tuning was almost 10 seconds, but after that most channels tuned in barely over 1 second with a few taking up to 3 seconds. One channel took 5 seconds With most channels tuning in barely over 1 second, I am quite happy. I just have to remember to tune one channel after I reboot the HTPC so the wife does not have to wait. Since I manually reboot it and always make sure it comes back up fine, this is not a problem Even though I use an SSD, I wait a full minute after WMC opens before doing any work on it to make sure it has stabilized. That is one nice thing about having an Ethernet tuner - rebooting the HTPC does not also reboot the cablecard device...it does not need to go through all the syncing steps again.

EDIT EDIT: I am going to do further attenuation testing soon. I just ordered a 6dB, 10dB, 16dB, and 20dB attenuators.
Edited by cybrsage - 5/27/13 at 11:55pm
post #221 of 869
My signal is about perfect at -0.5dBmV to -0.3dBmV.

My problem is related to letting the HTPC sleep. After returning from sleep I'm getting 10 sec plus to tune. This was never an issue with the Prime. I wonder if this is a Windows driver issue. Anyone care to comment on MythTV or another platform?
post #222 of 869
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Hmmm...I never let my HTPC go to sleep - not worth the potential headaches if it does not wake to record a show for the wife. Only my first tune after a reboot is around 10 seconds - after that it is now fast. I would think waking from sleep is akin to a reboot for this discussion.

How did you get that view of all the tuners and relevant info on one page?
post #223 of 869
There is over at
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Hmmm...I never let my HTPC go to sleep - not worth the potential headaches if it does not wake to record a show for the wife. Only my first tune after a reboot is around 10 seconds - after that it is now fast. I would think waking from sleep is akin to a reboot for this discussion.

How did you get that view of all the tuners and relevant info on one page?
Over on TGB there was a post detailing how to create an HTML file to view. I am on phone now but ill post link later. Pretty handy!
post #224 of 869
VERY NICE!!!!! I did a search after you mentioned it and found it here:

http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?p=51654#p51654

This will probably work with the Ethernet version, you will have to edit the ip address to your tuner in all fields.

Edit the ip address and save this as a html file and open it in your browser.
Code:
<html>
<body>
<div class='header'>Ceton InfiniTV Temperatures</div>
<table>
        <tr>
        <td width=100>Temp</td>
        <td width=100>Signal Level</td>
        <td width=100>SNR</td>
        <td width=100>Playback</td>
        <td width=100>Frequency</td>
        <td width=100>Modulation</td>
        <td width=200>Copy Protection</td>
        <td width=100>Channel</td>
        </tr>
</table>
<div id="variable_row">
        <div id="variable_label">Tuner #1:</div>
        <div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=0&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
        </div>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #2:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=1&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #3:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=2&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #4:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=3&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #5:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=4&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #6:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=av&v=TransportState'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
        </iframe>
        <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.200.1/get_var?i=5&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
        </iframe>
</div>
</body>
</html>
post #225 of 869
Hey–

I'm building a Media Center as an alternative to the Tivo Premier XL4 I just recently got (it's going back) as frankly didn't like the 12 month contract at $15 a month... In my case I got it at a local store so never heard about that till after I activated it (it's a long story).

Regardless I'm debating between the Infinitv 4 and 6– seems I might be better off with the 4? I have amazing signal (new 2010 highrise in downtown seattle) so maybe the 6 eth will work?

Any suggestions?

Would love to order one today so it arrives at the same time as all my goodies tomorrow! I'm not really worried if the first time I tune channels it takes a few seconds, the system will be an always on (no sleep) appliance in a shuttle DS61 case with an i3 3225 (HD4000).

Thanks in advance,
Phil
post #226 of 869
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Originally Posted by FlyEspresso View Post

I have amazing signal (new 2010 highrise in downtown seattle) so maybe the 6 eth will work?
Amazing signal as in antenna reception? The InfiniTV tuners are cable only. They won't work with satellite or OTA antennas.
post #227 of 869
Do you have a way to check the signal power into your Tivo? If it is below zero, but not TOO far below zero, you should have fast tuning...provided you also have a gigabit Ethernet network. I like the Ceton Eth.
post #228 of 869
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Amazing signal as in antenna reception? The InfiniTV tuners are cable only. They won't work with satellite or OTA antennas.

Umm... No, obviously if I'm using a Tivo Premier XL4 I'm using a cable card setup (comcast/xfinity)... IDK where you got over the air or sat...
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Do you have a way to check the signal power into your Tivo? If it is below zero, but not TOO far below zero, you should have fast tuning...provided you also have a gigabit Ethernet network. I like the Ceton Eth.

I can-I'll have to do a quick check, so what is the range that it needs to fall under? -10 - 0? I do have a gigabit network and 802.11n 5ghz network. The actual media center will be on gigabit to the Apple Airport Extreme along with the ETH if I go that route.

Though is it worth going for the ETH for the sake of being ethernet based over the 159$ USB/4 tuner option? I've never really hit a wall with my old apartments Whole Home DVR/Genie that had 4 tuners. I only remember once that that happend. It's more if the ETH provides a future benfit for potential iPad app/Laptop access similar to sling (LAN only). As I'm the only one that lives in my one bedroom apartment....
post #229 of 869
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyEspresso View Post

Umm... No, obviously if I'm using a Tivo Premier XL4 I'm using a cable card setup (comcast/xfinity)... IDK where you got over the air or sat...

Obviously I'm not a Tivo expert. I assumed you were OTA because you said you had an amazing signal and implied it was because you live in a tall building downtown.
post #230 of 869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

Obviously I'm not a Tivo expert. I assumed you were OTA because you said you had an amazing signal and implied it was because you live in a tall building downtown.
Neither is he if he didn't realize there was an ongoing subscription fee (or the lifetime option, if Tivo still offers that) before buying it wink.gif.
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Originally Posted by FlyEspresso View Post

Though is it worth going for the ETH for the sake of being ethernet based over the 159$ USB/4 tuner option? I've never really hit a wall with my old apartments Whole Home DVR/Genie that had 4 tuners. I only remember once that that happend. It's more if the ETH provides a future benfit for potential iPad app/Laptop access similar to sling (LAN only). As I'm the only one that lives in my one bedroom apartment....
I certainly wouldn't purchase the ETH hoping that they might possibly add some sort of iPad app to directly access a tuner at some future date. There hasn't even been a hint of such a feature. You should base your decision on what the products can do today.
post #231 of 869
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyEspresso View Post

Umm... No, obviously if I'm using a Tivo Premier XL4 I'm using a cable card setup (comcast/xfinity)... IDK where you got over the air or sat...
I can-I'll have to do a quick check, so what is the range that it needs to fall under? -10 - 0? I do have a gigabit network and 802.11n 5ghz network. The actual media center will be on gigabit to the Apple Airport Extreme along with the ETH if I go that route.

Though is it worth going for the ETH for the sake of being ethernet based over the 159$ USB/4 tuner option? I've never really hit a wall with my old apartments Whole Home DVR/Genie that had 4 tuners. I only remember once that that happend. It's more if the ETH provides a future benfit for potential iPad app/Laptop access similar to sling (LAN only). As I'm the only one that lives in my one bedroom apartment....

This is purely anecdotal, but it appears -5dB to 0dB is the best range. I will get my additional attenuators in another two days or so and will be able to do much more in-depth testing.

More tuners is always better for obvious reasons...but also one not obvious one. If you have two shows set to record back to back, WMC will record both of them using the same tuner. Sounds like a good idea at first, but then you will find the end of the one show will get cut off and appear at the start of the other show. Unless you remember which show was recorded second you will have a problem finding the end of your first show. To overcome this, you must force WMC to use a different tuner for the second show - and to do that you have to setup the recording to record "10 minutes after". Not "if possible", force it to do 10 minutes after. This means that if you have two sets of two back to back shows, you will use up 4 tuners during the last 4 minutes of the first two shows and the first 10 minutes of the last two shows (due to overlapping). To be fair, I only ran into this two times in the last 3 years.

Of course, the Ethernet tuner also has the ability to be used by other WMC machines. I setup my own gaming desktop and my wife's laptop to use the Ethernet tuner as well...and then added the Recorded TV folder from the HTPC to both machines. I told her not to record shows with her laptop and she understands why not to do it (since they would not be shared easily). Neither of us use the other PCs to watch TV very often, but it is nice to know we can. It also allows you to move a massive heat producing item from your HTPC.

I would never expect to get Apple support for the tuners - Apple has to become CableCard certified first and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
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Hmm interesting as all I get on the tivo is SNR is 37db and "Signal Strength" is 94-97 depending on the tuner. IDK what that last metric is-does not seem to be useful

I did know there was a subscription and lifetime options, but apparently recently unbeknownst to me or the employes at BB that they got rid of the month-2-month option. It's now ONLY 1 year commitment or lifetime. Which I can't commit to as I move around a lot.

I don't expect apple to ever get onboard, this is just a 1:1 trade on my end of tivo for WMC. Same price no commitment, better more well-rounded end product. That is all.

I think the USB 4 might be the way to go for me then as I do not care about pooling to other machines or anything as they are all macs. Only reason I thought an iOS app might come is an android one has been mentioned to be in the works. Maybe it's just a remote...

Phil
post #233 of 869
For those unfamiliar with Tivos.. the latest Tivos no longer support OTA, they are cable card only devices. I have a Tivo HD and it handles both OTA and Cable nicely. It also outputs native resolution. I took it out of service when I first got the Ceton. I did not want to continue to pay the subscription fees. After a couple months they sent me email offering a lifetime subscription for it at $99. It is still in my rack but I keep trying to make the Ceton work. The Tivo HD was a solid but expensive solution. If it was my only cablecard device then there would be no cable card rental and it would be free till it broke. Since it is 5 or 6 years old now that could happen anytime.

I keep the Tivo HD in the rack for now as the Ceton seems subject on any given day to potential problems whenever Windows Update runs and is extraordinarily fussy about signal quality. If the current Tivos and Tivo extenders supported OTA as well as cable I would just trash the whole PC based cable TV approach it just never seems to work like an appliance. If I had to be out of town on a business trip for a week or two you could almost count on TV downtime and an angry family when you got back.

Sometimes it seems I am something of a slave to it. Now not all the issues are Ceton itself some are WMC and some come from this or that update but still with the Tivo if they broke something with software they got feedback and automatically did rollbacks until they got the issue correct and would then resend the latest patches. With the Tivo HD generation it was not uncommon to have to use splitters and attenuators to lower signal levels. Not like my PCIe Ceton that no matter what you do the signal is not really clean enough or high enough.

I can't remember ever having a day when the Tivo did not work unless Comcast or TW before them was offline. The Ceton borders on a part time job.
Edited by gtgray - 5/29/13 at 5:28pm
post #234 of 869
Have you tried the HDhomerun prime. I am going to send my CETon USb back without an RMA because I am tiresd of troubleshooting. Don't care if I get a replacement. With the HD I have three tuners that just work. With the ceton I have 4 tuners that sometimes let me watch or record TV. typically 2 out of 4 tuners work.
post #235 of 869
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Have you tried the HDhomerun prime. I am going to send my CETon USb back without an RMA because I am tiresd of troubleshooting. Don't care if I get a replacement. With the HD I have three tuners that just work. With the ceton I have 4 tuners that sometimes let me watch or record TV. typically 2 out of 4 tuners work.

I intend to try the next gen 4 tuner model when it ships.... if that doesn't work well than I consider for me at least, PC based Cable Card tuning a failed project. All the money and time spent so far is just sunk costs. If the new Silicon Dust tuners are really out this summer and the community says they are solid. I will buy and try where there is a 30 day return window. If that works great, if not it will really be time to reevaluate.
post #236 of 869
I hear people say they have problems, but other than the horrifically slow tuning problem (which appears to be solved), I have had no problems with the Ceton Eth. Before it, I had the first gen PCIe card...it had some issues at the start but has been rock solid for years now.
post #237 of 869
Whatever it's worth, I ordered the 4 and I'll give that a go. I think it'll work just fine for my lack of actual TV watching but just watch enough to warrant cable (really more for news networks).
post #238 of 869
You will be happy with it. Just take note that you need to wait a minute or two after a PC reboot in order for the cablecard tuner to talk to your cable company and verify it is authorized.
post #239 of 869
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

For those unfamiliar with Tivos.. the latest Tivos no longer support OTA, they are cable card only devices.

Well that's not strictly true, the currently sold 2-tuner Premieres still do OTA, the 4-tuner models do not.
post #240 of 869
There is a firmware update available. After the update, my first tuning only took 4 seconds instead of 10 seconds. All the other tunings are still slightly over 1 second so if they are faster I may not be able to tell.
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