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post #91 of 854
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

@Kadith..

Is this the first time using a CableCARD tuner for PC?

Have you checked the signal levels and strength for the cable feed itself?

In addition, typical wireless connections cause problems for video signals not due to speed but due to packet loss and insufficient time to resend lost packets before the next frame needs to display.

Yep, first Cable Card experience.

I am not sure how to check cable feed strength as a consumer, how do I measure that?

Yep expect that moving from wireless to wired will help. Will know for sure tonight.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Ceton's drivers are supposed to fix this, but I've found that I still need to use Tuner Salad to get past the 4 CableCard tuner restriction. Note that I last checked this the last time I rebuilt the PC, so it's possible they've resolved the problem since then, but it sounds like that's most likely the problem here.

Yep, sounds like I need to install Tuner Salad:
http://www.mychannellogos.com/Pages/TunserSalad.aspx
post #92 of 854
I don't have the InfinTV product but have the HDHR Prime. You should be able to check the signal strength either in the set up program or in the WebGUI for the tuner itself which is where it is found in the HDHR Prime.
post #93 of 854
^ Yes, Ceton's diagnostic tools will display signal strength and S/N ratio among other information.
post #94 of 854
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

Outstanding issues:

- It did tell me that it thought the Ceton could only use 4 tuners. Will have to figure that out eventually but I don't see me using more than 3 at a time for the foreseeable future anyway.

-Need to figure a way to lock keyboard input while watching. Cats walk over the keyboard!

-Definitely going to have to calibrate this screen. Too bright for sure.

-Definitely see all of the flaws of the compressed cable image, I guess I will get used to it but for some reason it looked way worse than it does coming off the Fios set top box going to my 120" screen. Again, taking it to wired will probably help that.

I am not sure if it still applies to the Eth 6 tuner, but I had to install a Low Pass Filter (LPF) on the coax line running into the PCIe 4 tuner version in order to fix the corruption issues you are talking about. If you request a tech come out to fix the problem, he will have one in his truck he can install for free. I would wait until after the physical network is setup, just in case that is the issue.
post #95 of 854
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I am not sure if it still applies to the Eth 6 tuner, but I had to install a Low Pass Filter (LPF) on the coax line running into the PCIe 4 tuner version in order to fix the corruption issues you are talking about. If you request a tech come out to fix the problem, he will have one in his truck he can install for free. I would wait until after the physical network is setup, just in case that is the issue.

OK, will wait on that. Not something i can order via Amazon and install myself?
post #96 of 854
You can but if you can get it installed for free..
post #97 of 854
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

-Need to figure a way to lock keyboard input while watching. Cats walk over the keyboard!

You need better trained cats like mine.... watching them walk around the coffee table without stepping on anything, you'd think they were on a minefield !biggrin.gif
post #98 of 854
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Is it normal that FW would take for a non-intended piece of HW? Wondering why when you selected the drop down for the ETH it doesn't just show versions intended for that specific device.
Either I wasn't clear, or you didn't understand what I was writing (I was rather tired when I posted last night, so it's likely that I wasn't clear), so I'll try again smile.gif. The updater presented 4 items as being available:

- Stable Hardware Version Update (7359)
- Stable Firmware Version Update (I don't recall the exact version number, but lower than the beta version)
- Beta Hardware Version Update (7287)
- Beta Firmware Version Update (13.5.6.133)

These are all intended for the InfiniTV 6 ETH. The instructions very clearly stated to select the stable versions of pooling wasn't desired or the beta versions if pooling was desired. I blithely forget about that while I was making my choices and decided to go with the highest version number on each, so I've got a mix of a stable hardware version and beta firmware version installed in the device. I'm not sure if having a mix of stable and beta installed is the source of my problem or if something else is causing the it.

The hardware and firmware versions the device shipped with were REALLY ancient, so I'd definitely recommend that anyone getting one of these follow the instructions and upgrade to either the stable (no pooling) or beta (pooling) set.

Once the problem gets resolved, I'll post an update so (hopefully) nobody else will run into the same problem. I'll have a limited window of opportunity to do anything with it tonight as I've got an important hockey game to watch (Go Bruins!) smile.gif.

Ah got it! You were probably clear and I just read too early in the morning. You know that AVS fix first thing in the morning is tough. But yes go B's. I know you won't admit it but you def went to bed game 7 at 4-1 lol. I have been pleading the 5th when asked by my non-mass counterparts. smile.gif
post #99 of 854
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Either I wasn't clear, or you didn't understand what I was writing (I was rather tired when I posted last night, so it's likely that I wasn't clear), so I'll try again smile.gif. The updater presented 4 items as being available:

- Stable Hardware Version Update (7359)
- Stable Firmware Version Update (I don't recall the exact version number, but lower than the beta version)
- Beta Hardware Version Update (7287)
- Beta Firmware Version Update (13.5.6.133)

These are all intended for the InfiniTV 6 ETH. The instructions very clearly stated to select the stable versions of pooling wasn't desired or the beta versions if pooling was desired. I blithely forget about that while I was making my choices and decided to go with the highest version number on each, so I've got a mix of a stable hardware version and beta firmware version installed in the device. I'm not sure if having a mix of stable and beta installed is the source of my problem or if something else is causing the it.

The hardware and firmware versions the device shipped with were REALLY ancient, so I'd definitely recommend that anyone getting one of these follow the instructions and upgrade to either the stable (no pooling) or beta (pooling) set.

Once the problem gets resolved, I'll post an update so (hopefully) nobody else will run into the same problem. I'll have a limited window of opportunity to do anything with it tonight as I've got an important hockey game to watch (Go Bruins!) smile.gif.
When I got home earlier, I gave the PC a good-old-fashioned shutdown, unplugged the InfiniTV 6 ETH for 30 seconds or so, plugged the InfiniTV 6 ETH back in, and powered the PC back up. I then setup 10 recordings from consecutive channels in the guide and headed off to the gym. When I returned, all 10 had completed without any apparent issues. I also had a reply from Ceton support - they suggested installing several updates / hotfixes, etc. (a few of which the PC already has), but didn't suggest the simple solution of power cycling everything... The updates and hotfixes might have some benefits, but I've been running 2 InfiniTV 4 PCIe's for many months without ANY issues, so I'm not exactly confident that a PCI driver update would have helped solve the problem I ran into rolleyes.gif.
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Ah got it! You were probably clear and I just read too early in the morning. You know that AVS fix first thing in the morning is tough.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about biggrin.gif.
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But yes go B's. I know you won't admit it but you def went to bed game 7 at 4-1 lol. I have been pleading the 5th when asked by my non-mass counterparts. smile.gif
I considered shutting it off, but my normal bed time is later than that so I decided to stick with it (and I've got the phone records to prove it biggrin.gif). Boy am I glad I did - that was one heck of a comeback smile.gif. If it had been a regular season game, I probably would have shut it off, but not a game 7 in the playoffs. I hope the B's play more consistently in this next series as they've been driving me nuts...
post #100 of 854
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Originally Posted by jimwhite View Post

You need better trained cats like mine.... watching them walk around the coffee table without stepping on anything, you'd think they were on a minefield !biggrin.gif

Yeah when I'm in the room it's no sweat, but expect that this box will run in background without me around to shoo them off....
post #101 of 854
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

^ Yes, Ceton's diagnostic tools will display signal strength and S/N ratio among other information.
I'm not seeing those, where in the panel is it?
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I am not sure if it still applies to the Eth 6 tuner, but I had to install a Low Pass Filter (LPF) on the coax line running into the PCIe 4 tuner version in order to fix the corruption issues you are talking about. If you request a tech come out to fix the problem, he will have one in his truck he can install for free. I would wait until after the physical network is setup, just in case that is the issue.

OK, I updated the software and moved to wires and its a lot more stable, but now the display is flashing white on all encrypted channels.... Ideas on that?

On the plus side, when I re-ran Media Center setup it recognized that I had 6 tuners! So no tuner sandwich.
Edited by Kadath - 5/16/13 at 4:34pm
post #102 of 854
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

I'm not seeing those, where in the panel is it?
OK, I updated the software and moved to wires and its a lot more stable, but now the display is flashing white on all encrypted channels.... Ideas on that?

On the plus side, when I re-ran Media Center setup it recognized that I had 6 tuners! So no tuner sandwich.

Take a look at both of these links.

SNR and Signal Level explained

Stuttering, Jittery or Flickering video
post #103 of 854
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

I'm not seeing those, where in the panel is it?
Go to the Devices tab, then click on the Go to InfiniTV Device Webpage button. On that page, there are tabs for each tuner as well as a few other tabs. You should find what you're looking for there.
post #104 of 854
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Originally Posted by Haba View Post

Stuttering, Jittery or Flickering video

OK, that page seems to be saying the same thing as these posts, it sounds like a stupid registry issue and not the low pass filter:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1543142&mpage=1&print=true

http://experts.windows.com/frms/windows_entertainment_and_connected_home/f/114/t/102998.aspx?PageIndex=1

Screwed if I can follow the dopey instructions on those pages on what they want me to muck with in the registry tho. Will try the full screen video thing your page suggest tho!

Edit nope, full screen setting didn't help anything.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Go to the Devices tab, then click on the Go to InfiniTV Device Webpage button. On that page, there are tabs for each tuner as well as a few other tabs. You should find what you're looking for there.

Will check that thanks!

Edit: Tuner #4 has carrier lock, digital lock and singal level -3.5 dBmV signal, 38.6 dB SNR, 54.6c degrees, One copy allowed 0x02

Any idea why it set it to tuner 4 when none of the others in use?
Edited by Kadath - 5/16/13 at 8:36pm
post #105 of 854
Here's what the flashes look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrX7o7C-wGA
post #106 of 854
looks like you have dynamic contrast enabled. should be a setting in your graphics utility to turn it off.
post #107 of 854
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Originally Posted by drtdiver View Post

looks like you have dynamic contrast enabled. should be a setting in your graphics utility to turn it off.

I have tried it both on and off using the Nvidia control panel and changing it has no effect.
post #108 of 854
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Originally Posted by L54 View Post

Can somebody explain the differences between using network tuners versus PCI?

Tuner pooling is supported on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 Pro w/MC on infiniTV 6 ETH. This is dynamic allocation of tuners.

Tuner pooling is not a feature of the PCIe or USB products.

Network tuners is a PCIe/USB feature where you can assign tuners to specific PCs which is Windows 7 supported only.
post #109 of 854
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

Here's what the flashes look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrX7o7C-wGA

I had the same when I was using an nVidia card - See http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=19828

I remember setting "Digital Color Format" to "YCbCr444" and "Content Type Reported to Display" to "Full Screen Videos", and the flickering went away. Don't know if those settings still apply/fix anything in the latest nVidia drivers or not.
post #110 of 854
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Memorial Day? Fourth of July? Labor Day?

Just sayin'!

Whichever holiday Ceton decides to throw $50 to $100 to bring the price down.

Not that I regret paying $430 for the InfiniTV4 and waiting 6 months for it, but I was in a bind then, ATI dropped support for their DCT, and Verizon switched to Symulcrypt. This time, I can wait for the price to come down to match the current InifniTV4 pricing on per tuner basis (approx $40/tuner).

At $199 I would buy without hesitation, at $250, I would have to mull it over, and perhaps get permission from the "boss" and then buy it.
post #111 of 854
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Originally Posted by smcmillan2 View Post

I had the same when I was using an nVidia card - See http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=19828

I remember setting "Digital Color Format" to "YCbCr444" and "Content Type Reported to Display" to "Full Screen Videos", and the flickering went away. Don't know if those settings still apply/fix anything in the latest nVidia drivers or not.

OK, will try both of those. Are they in the Nvidia control panel or do I have to go directly much with registry entries? (bleh!)
post #112 of 854
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Originally Posted by motz2k1 View Post

Tuner pooling is supported on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 Pro w/MC on infiniTV 6 ETH. This is dynamic allocation of tuners.

Tuner pooling is not a feature of the PCIe or USB products.

Network tuners is a PCIe/USB feature where you can assign tuners to specific PCs which is Windows 7 supported only.

When I downloaded the beta drivers for Win8, it did not give me the option to select driver pooling. I did get the option in the Windows 7 beta drivers.

Also, should I go ahead and update the card to the newest Stable Hardware Version Update (7359)? Right now I am on the older, beta ones.
post #113 of 854
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

When I downloaded the beta drivers for Win8, it did not give me the option to select driver pooling. I did get the option in the Windows 7 beta drivers.

Also, should I go ahead and update the card to the newest Stable Hardware Version Update (7359)? Right now I am on the older, beta ones.

It sounds to me like you're confusing Tuner Pooling and Network Tuners.
Tuner Pooling requires as InfiniTV 6 ETH + beta firmware and is supported on Windows 7 and Windows 8. It does not need a client add-in.

Network Tuners works with all InfiniTV tunes, but is only supported for tuners hosted on Windows 7. This requires a 1-1 tuner assignment.
post #114 of 854
I just got my 6 installed and connected. I see it in the diagnostic tool but its not available in my wmc setup. I only see my PCI tuners. Did anyone who has gotten it working run in to this situation? I have installed the FW updates/rebooted several times no dice. The tuner appears to be ok from the diagnostic perspective just not available as an option inside of WMC. As a note I have never used TunerSalad. Always just relied on the Ceton tool to unlock more than 4 tuners inside of WMC.


edit:
Never mind user error. I never cleared and re-detected my tuners. As soon as I did that I saw the PCIe and the Network Tuner.
Edited by mariob33 - 5/17/13 at 3:22pm
post #115 of 854
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

It sounds to me like you're confusing Tuner Pooling and Network Tuners.
Tuner Pooling requires as InfiniTV 6 ETH + beta firmware and is supported on Windows 7 and Windows 8. It does not need a client add-in.

Network Tuners works with all InfiniTV tunes, but is only supported for tuners hosted on Windows 7. This requires a 1-1 tuner assignment.

OH! I probably am! Sorry about that!. In order to remove that piece from WIn7, do I need to uninstall and reinstall the drivers?
post #116 of 854
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

OH! I probably am! Sorry about that!. In order to remove that piece from WIn7, do I need to uninstall and reinstall the drivers?

I believe you can go to add/remove programs and hit change.
post #117 of 854
InfiniTV 6 ETH #2 arrived today. Unfortunately, the CableCard swap from the InfiniTV 4 PCIe that it's replacing didn't go as smoothly as the first one did (actually, I think I got a less helpful CSR this time - the first one spent close to an hour with me while this one was clearly in a hurry to move on to the next call or to go home), so Verizon is sending me another CableCard. I left a message on Ceton's CableCard assistance line - with a little luck they'll be able to help Verizon get me up and running without having to wait for the new card to arrive (fingers crossed).
post #118 of 854
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

InfiniTV 6 ETH #2 arrived today. Unfortunately, the CableCard swap from the InfiniTV 4 PCIe that it's replacing didn't go as smoothly as the first one did (actually, I think I got a less helpful CSR this time - the first one spent close to an hour with me while this one was clearly in a hurry to move on to the next call or to go home), so Verizon is sending me another CableCard. I left a message on Ceton's CableCard assistance line - with a little luck they'll be able to help Verizon get me up and running without having to wait for the new card to arrive (fingers crossed).

Got mine and same experience. She wanted to send me a replacement for one that was working.
post #119 of 854
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Got mine and same experience. She wanted to send me a replacement for one that was working.
I suspect it's a combination of how knowledgeable the CSR is and how determined the CSR is to get it working. Obviously some CableCards are defective and won't respond to a new activation signal, but I suspect most of the time it just comes down to luck of the draw in which CSR you end up with.

On another note, I don't remember seeing any option to turn tuner pooling on when I installed the new driver package the other night. Should I have seen an option for that somewhere or does it just happen by default with the beta drivers? Ideally, it would be nice to be able to assign some tuners to a specific PC and then throw the remaining tuners into the pool.
post #120 of 854
White flashes were due to 1/2 me being a total dumbass and 1/2 half due to Dell. Trusted that when I used the dell tool to update my drivers that it actually updated drivers, it didn't. I updated to latest Nvidia WHQL drivers and flashes are gone. Sorry for getting folks wrapped around axel on a dumb issue!
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