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post #271 of 988
Was it just me, or was the clip they used in the commercials of her jumping off the balcony different from the one that was actually in the episode?
post #272 of 988
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

Was it just me, or was the clip they used in the commercials of her jumping off the balcony different from the one that was actually in the episode?
It's always possible.

Often the promos are made before the show is finished being edited.

Heck, that sort of thing happens with movies all the time since trailers (teasers, in particular) are frequently made before the movie has even finished shooting. There are plenty of movie trailers that feature scenes that never make it to the finished film.
post #273 of 988
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It's always possible.

Often the promos are made before the show is finished being edited.

Heck, that sort of thing happens with movies all the time since trailers (teasers, in particular) are frequently made before the movie has even finished shooting. There are plenty of movie trailers that feature scenes that never make it to the finished film.

I went back and checked. The two scenes are different. The one from the episode shows her jumping over the balcony straight down into the pool. The one from the promo shows her jumping off the balcony up a little bit, then her dress flutters up and you get a shot of what's ::cough cough:: underneath the dress. Clearly two different takes of the same scene.
post #274 of 988
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

I went back and checked. The two scenes are different. The one from the episode shows her jumping over the balcony straight down into the pool. The one from the promo shows her jumping off the balcony up a little bit, then her dress flutters up and you get a shot of what's ::cough cough:: underneath the dress. Clearly two different takes of the same scene.

They probably got flak about the preview shot, so they had to re-edit it to the less revealing version. OR...it was done on purpose to get all the pervy types to tune in! I missed the preview, so I can't say whether it would have worked on me or not. wink.gif
post #275 of 988
Here's the promo. Jump happens around 0:16 seconds.

post #276 of 988
After watching the show... what I think happens is that it is the same shot... but in the show, they cutaway sooner than they did in the promo.
post #277 of 988
Been watching and have been enjoying.

The biggest problem facing this show is how NOT to become just another secret agent series.
The connection with the Avengers and the Marvel Universe must not be downplayed.
post #278 of 988
After this week I've got about one episode left in me. It's becoming a generic spy procedural with occasional SF elements, but it's not even close to the excitement or cool of Alias or the fun and charming comedy of Chuck, This show wants to be both overly dramatic and funny at the same time and the only thing this week accomplished was dumb and dumber.

I thought Christian Slater on My Own Worst Enemy saying he had broken a pistol when he released the magazine was the nadir of firearm stupidity on television, but Skye not being able to remember which is the safety and which is the release was just a new low. At least Slater's character was a bumbling office worker and not a tech genius who is being actively trained by elite forces. Bad writing for a cheap gag.

The glasses were another dumb moment of writing. The show actively comments on his man hands but at no point did anyone suggest wearing gloves of any kind just to make it less obvious? Not to mention the multiple times his hands would have been in clear camera view during the drive and the fight. The show even cut to a scene focusing on someone putting on gloves.

And the "geniuses" in the van? I think the reason these guys are in flying plane completely alone is because they all failed to qualify for a position on the Helicarrier.
post #279 of 988
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Been watching and have been enjoying.

The biggest problem facing this show is how NOT to become just another secret agent series.
The connection with the Avengers and the Marvel Universe must not be downplayed.

I'm with you. I don't think they are downplaying the connection at all and seem to be continually referencing the past movies and even being a platform for the creation of new villains.

I see this show as more of a typical Joss Whedon ensemble show where the characters are the main focus. Its a harder focus with the budget of the show which detracts from the more intimate settings Whedon's shows usually have.. I do like Whedon's self-examination of the nature of the roles (having characters who credibly believe and espouse the idea that SHIELD is essentially a fascist organization). .

There seems to be a slower process afoot. In this last show, definite referral to Coulson as a changed person and that he was harder on his agents in his previous incarnation. Not a lot of development of Ward this time. Skye seems to be a favorite but she is more a view point of an outsider so they must feel that Skye is the best character for the audience to view the operation from. I do enjoy the 3 members (Skye, Fitz and Simmons) lack of experience in the field and their mistakes.

I do get the feeling that the show will have to ramp up soon as much of what we are seeing is introductory and we are getting past that phase. I'm in for now.
post #280 of 988
Here is an interesting article speculating on Coulson's...state of being.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/agents-h-e-l-d-offers-another-clue-011300304.html
post #281 of 988
So they tell us Skye still doesn't know which is the safety and which is the release and that she yells bang and there it goes she does it on the spot..

But I still love the girl..
post #282 of 988
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It's always possible.

Often the promos are made before the show is finished being edited.

Heck, that sort of thing happens with movies all the time since trailers (teasers, in particular) are frequently made before the movie has even finished shooting. There are plenty of movie trailers that feature scenes that never make it to the finished film.
Ex: one of my favorite lines from Phenomenon was in commercials, but not in the movie or even deleted scenes that I could find. "I don't think he's test-able." Something like that by Brent Spiner.
post #283 of 988
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

even being a platform for the creation of new villains.
Hmmmm....cool.gif
Acting as an introduction or tying it in to future movies sounds like a good idea for keeping ratings up.

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I do like Whedon's self-examination of the nature of the roles (having characters who credibly believe and espouse the idea that SHIELD is essentially a fascist organization).
+1

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I do enjoy the 3 members (Skye, Fitz and Simmons) lack of experience in the field and their mistakes.
They have to be careful with that angle and not let it turn into the Keystone Cops.

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I do get the feeling that the show will have to ramp up soon as much of what we are seeing is introductory and we are getting past that phase. I'm in for now.
+2

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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Here is an interesting article speculating on Coulson's...state of being.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/agents-h-e-l-d-offers-another-clue-011300304.html
I'll be danged, never heard of an LMD...
I gotta admit it fits.

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But I still love the girl..
Awfully cute IMO.wink.gif
post #284 of 988
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post


I see this show as more of a typical Joss Whedon ensemble show where the characters are the main focus. Its a harder focus with the budget of the show which detracts from the more intimate settings Whedon's shows usually have.. I do like Whedon's self-examination of the nature of the roles (having characters who credibly believe and espouse the idea that SHIELD is essentially a fascist organization). .

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I think you're on to something about the struggle the show is having deciding what it is going to be. Its almost like the budget is too big for Whedon to work his magic. smile.gif And when you come right down to it, there were definite fascist undertones to even Buffy and the whole slayer mythos, so its a common theme in Joss' work. I'm also wondering if we are overstating his role in the show. It appears to me his brother, and his wife, are more the showrunners than Joss. Its hard to tell since their writing styles and sensibilities are similar.
post #285 of 988
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I'm also wondering if we are overstating his role in the show. It appears to me his brother, and his wife, are more the showrunners than Joss. Its hard to tell since their writing styles and sensibilities are similar.

That's the case. I don't think Joss is too heavily involved with this show. It's his brother's gig. He's got bigger fish to fry these days.
post #286 of 988
My litmus test for a show is whether or not I'm checking FB on my phone while watching. Last night's episode was definitely a social network checkin for me. I want so badly to really love this, but right now, it's starting to bore me to death, other than drooling over Skye. The opening interchange between Clark Gregg and Ming Na was so horrible it hurt.
post #287 of 988
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Here is an interesting article speculating on Coulson's...state of being.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/agents-h-e-l-d-offers-another-clue-011300304.html

My problem with this article is they focus on Coulson's behavior. Particularly with regards to this last episode. When Akela asks Agent May what they did to Coulson, why are we to assume that she's asking because he's acting different? She had X-ray eyes. There's no reason not to assume she used them on Coulson. When they first met, she'd have use the X rays to check to see if he had other weapons hidden on him. So if he's a total robot, wouldn't she know it, and say that outright?

My guess is that he's more of a cyborg. They replaced damaged organs with machinery, but not all of him. There's enough of his original body for Akela to think of him as the actual real human Coulson, but enough cyborg parts that she had to ask what they did to him. It's as good a guess as any other.
post #288 of 988
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My problem with this article is they focus on Coulson's behavior. Particularly with regards to this last episode. When Akela asks Agent May what they did to Coulson, why are we to assume that she's asking because he's acting different? She had X-ray eyes. There's no reason not to assume she used them on Coulson. When they first met, she'd have use the X rays to check to see if he had other weapons hidden on him. So if he's a total robot, wouldn't she know it, and say that outright?

My guess is that he's more of a cyborg. They replaced damaged organs with machinery, but not all of him. There's enough of his original body for Akela to think of him as the actual real human Coulson, but enough cyborg parts that she had to ask what they did to him. It's as good a guess as any other.

Unless he's a clone, the "original" having lived long ago. Skye said something about not knowing anything about him, except that "he likes old stuff" and has a bunch of it lying around. Stuff that was imprinted on him, or somebody who was almost him, in an earlier life?
post #289 of 988
I still think Coulson's "story" is related to going back to Thor's home world (or one of the other realms). The whole "magical place" thing is what I'm stuck on.
post #290 of 988
I vote for multiple clones too and they have just transferred his memories across.

If he's a cyborg or android Coulson is not only a terrible model lacking in super strength and speed but should be setting off various metal detectors and scanners all over the place. The dumb tech kids and their science scanning devices they have every week would have just by accident detected anomalies in Coulson.

Plus if he ever gets injured and the doctors discover he has a positronic brain, arc reactor for a heart or metal endoskeleton it will be dead giveaway.
post #291 of 988
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

My problem with this article is they focus on Coulson's behavior. Particularly with regards to this last episode. When Akela asks Agent May what they did to Coulson, why are we to assume that she's asking because he's acting different? She had X-ray eyes. There's no reason not to assume she used them on Coulson. When they first met, she'd have use the X rays to check to see if he had other weapons hidden on him. So if he's a total robot, wouldn't she know it, and say that outright?

My guess is that he's more of a cyborg. They replaced damaged organs with machinery, but not all of him. There's enough of his original body for Akela to think of him as the actual real human Coulson, but enough cyborg parts that she had to ask what they did to him. It's as good a guess as any other.
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Unless he's a clone, the "original" having lived long ago. Skye said something about not knowing anything about him, except that "he likes old stuff" and has a bunch of it lying around. Stuff that was imprinted on him, or somebody who was almost him, in an earlier life?
Good posts, guys.cool.gif

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has a positronic brain.
Precisely why I haven't had an MRI in 15 years....
post #292 of 988
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I vote for multiple clones too and they have just transferred his memories across.

So he's like Weyoun.
post #293 of 988
I think this is an appropriate review: http://www.avclub.com/articles/eye-spy,104252/
post #294 of 988
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My guess is that he's more of a cyborg. They replaced damaged organs with machinery, but not all of him.

Six Million Dollar Man????? eek.gif
post #295 of 988
Teaser for next week episode: Creation of SUN-FIRE perhaps?
post #296 of 988
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Teaser for next week episode: Creation of SUN-FIRE perhaps?

Looked like the Human Torch, power-wise. Not background-wise, of course.
post #297 of 988
I just wish there was room in the mythology to allow Fitz and Simmons accents to morph into something intelligible.smile.gif
post #298 of 988
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

So he's like Weyoun.

I can just see the midseason finale now, where Coulson realises that he's a clone and goes on the run as the rest of SHIELD is tasked with hunting him down so they can "reset" him. "Of course I'm paranoid: everyone's trying to kill me!" biggrin.gif

I thought the opening of this episode was possibly the most boring I've ever seen in a spy-fi drama. Having fifty actors in masks trudging around with no explanation for two minutes is not suspenseful: it's dull.

I also can't get past the silliness of having the geek twins being named "Fitz" and "Simmons". Perhaps they couldn't find the right actor to play the original role of "Agent Fitzsimmons", so they split it into two roles to provide more opportunities for technobabble time-killing sequences. They're even played by UK actors, although neither of them is Irish. rolleyes.gif
post #299 of 988
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I thought the opening of this episode was possibly the most boring I've ever seen in a spy-fi drama. Having fifty actors in masks trudging around with no explanation for two minutes is not suspenseful: it's dull.
Obviously, it's a rip-off/variation of V for Vengeance.

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I also can't get past the silliness of having the geek twins being named "Fitz" and "Simmons".
NOT a good characterization to be sure.

NO way could anyone buy them as being part of S.H.I.E.L.D...rolleyes.gif
post #300 of 988
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I thought the opening of this episode was possibly the most boring I've ever seen in a spy-fi drama. Having fifty actors in masks trudging around with no explanation for two minutes is not suspenseful: it's dull.

It was a misdirection.You were supposed to think that it was the setup for a terrorist attack.

I did get that, but I spent most of the sequence picturing a flash mob about to break into a dance number and then wondering where all the police where because obviously if that scene played out today security would be there in droves. At the least the transit security would have challenged them.

So that kind of rendered the intent ineffective for me. Although it would have been funny if it had been a flash mob.
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