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post #571 of 1006
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

It's like Chicago fire that also had a cliffhanger, they didn't have (or at least I watched) a preview for the rest of the season but we kind of known that the main character on the series isn't dying. Coulson is the main guy in this series.

(Well Six Feet under killed his main guy so..)
I think Homeland did it the best. Instead of showing previews for the season finale, they showed a montage of everthing that happed so far. Other shows should follow suit. Why give anythng away?
post #572 of 1006
Even though I still like the show, I think this show could learn a lot from Arrow which takes its universe very seriously and has significant consequences for actions. I kinda think that this show is too light hearted (although I appreciate humor) and not gritty enough. The characters are too cutesy and should be more hard core like May. It tries too hard to make you like the characters. Let them do their thing and don't have the plot dictate stupidity like the exchange on the bridge. For a special group that was pretty pathetic.
post #573 of 1006
J. August Richards should become a member of the main cast, possibly replacing Coulson or... whatever the other spy guy's name is. It's a good indicator of how much of an impression this show has made on me that I still can't remember the characters' names half way through the first season, and I don't even care enough about them to spend ten seconds looking them up. redface.gif
post #574 of 1006
One thing I noticed this past episode. The visual effects took a HUGE downward spiral. 'The Bus' look way more fake than usual, and the driving scene had some of the worst green screen comps I've seen in a drama in years. They were 1/2 hour comedy quality, like you would have seen in Everybody Hates Raymond or something from that era. Wowsers. Not sure if the budget got slashed or they had a rush deadline, but that's not a good sign.
post #575 of 1006
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

One thing I noticed this past episode. The visual effects took a HUGE downward spiral. 'The Bus' look way more fake than usual, and the driving scene had some of the worst green screen comps I've seen in a drama in years. They were 1/2 hour comedy quality, like you would have seen in Everybody Hates Raymond or something from that era. Wowsers. Not sure if the budget got slashed or they had a rush deadline, but that's not a good sign.
Haha, not only that but they drove through about 6 or 7 stop signs! biggrin.gif
post #576 of 1006
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

One thing I noticed this past episode. The visual effects took a HUGE downward spiral. 'The Bus' look way more fake than usual, and the driving scene had some of the worst green screen comps I've seen in a drama in years. They were 1/2 hour comedy quality, like you would have seen in Everybody Hates Raymond or something from that era. Wowsers. Not sure if the budget got slashed or they had a rush deadline, but that's not a good sign.

The car scene was so bad I was wondering if it was supposed to be some kind of inside joke...plus, the 6 yr. old I watched it with asked "why don't they just fly?", since the vette did that in the pilot. Couldn't really tell him 'cause its too expensive."
post #577 of 1006
Coulson's steering was a perfect clone of the "driving in a sitcom" style, too. I'm surprised he didn't take out somebody's mailbox with all his random wheel jerking.
post #578 of 1006
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Haha, not only that but they drove through about 6 or 7 stop signs! biggrin.gif
Yes, and at one point there was a T in the background yet they never made a turn into the street they were driving down. They could have have found (or shot) footage of streets with no stop signs on them. I could drive down a long ways down some residential streets around here that only have stop signs on the side streets.
post #579 of 1006
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

One thing I noticed this past episode. The visual effects took a HUGE downward spiral. 'The Bus' look way more fake than usual, and the driving scene had some of the worst green screen comps I've seen in a drama in years. They were 1/2 hour comedy quality, like you would have seen in Everybody Hates Raymond or something from that era. Wowsers. Not sure if the budget got slashed or they had a rush deadline, but that's not a good sign.

I knew something was very off in the very first scene, where he was pushing a bulldozer, and the treads of the machine were making huge furrows in the dirt, but his feet and legs were not so much as bruising the grass. I just laughed at that, and guessed that there were going to be scenes like that in the rest of the show. The driving scene was another one that I conclude had to have been done deliberately. I don't know why, but they HAD to have done it on purpose.
post #580 of 1006
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I knew something was very off in the very first scene, where he was pushing a bulldozer, and the treads of the machine were making huge furrows in the dirt, but his feet and legs were not so much as bruising the grass. I just laughed at that, and guessed that there were going to be scenes like that in the rest of the show. The driving scene was another one that I conclude had to have been done deliberately. I don't know why, but they HAD to have done it on purpose.

Agreed. Maybe they're thumbing their nose at their budget limitations?
post #581 of 1006
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Agreed. Maybe they're thumbing their nose at their budget limitations?

Hope not. That's kind of breaking the fourth wall in a way that's not organic to the show. It's probably more like - "We have to show this guy has super-powers and we've got to do it with a vfx budget of $67.00. Let's do the best we can and hope nobody notices."
post #582 of 1006
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Agreed. Maybe they're thumbing their nose at their budget limitations?

No, that wouldn't happen on a Marvel property. There's four reasons why something like that would happen. 1) The contracted visual effects company seriously dropped the ball, and will subsequently get fired from the show. 2) There was a scheduling problem, perhaps with last minute rewrites/reshoots, and there wasn't enough time to do the driving scene right. 3) confidence in this show is dropping off, and the studio is deciding to spend less money to cut their losses. Or 4) Somebody decided to save money by bringing some of the VFX 'in-house' and they hired somebody's nephew or friend that was incompetent.

Those are the usual ways something like that happens. I'm hoping it's #1 or #2, so it isn't a trend.
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I'd watch that if it was set in the same time period as the one-shot. The Peggy Carter extra was another one-shot that was more fun than SHIELD and I'm a big fan of retro-adventure from the Forties and Fifties.

Plus, Hayley Atwell. smile.gif
post #585 of 1006
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I'd watch that if it was set in the same time period as the one-shot. The Peggy Carter extra was another one-shot that was more fun than SHIELD and I'm a big fan of retro-adventure from the Forties and Fifties.

Plus, Hayley Atwell. smile.gif

Based on the last paragraph it just might be, but I thought the first movie ended during present day? Anyway, I hope it is set in the Forties and Fifties as well.
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The new series is likely to take place soon after the end of the first Captain America movie, meaning that this is not only a female-led Marvel series about a character without any superpowers, but it’s a historical drama as well. If the Agent Carter one-shot is anything to go by, it’ll be an action-packed spy thriller with a side order of snazzy 1940s outfits and smashing the patriarchy. We’re psyched already.

And yeah, Hayley Atwell!
post #586 of 1006
The Cap ended up in present day but Carter was still in the past where she gets reassigned.
post #587 of 1006
I'm sooooooooooooooooo on board with this!
post #588 of 1006
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I'd watch that if it was set in the same time period as the one-shot. The Peggy Carter extra was another one-shot that was more fun than SHIELD and I'm a big fan of retro-adventure from the Forties and Fifties.

Plus, Hayley Atwell. smile.gif

I'm looking forward to the Hayley Atwell series too. She was terrific in Captain America. It will be fun to see her reprise her role as Peggy Carter in a series in which she is the star. Looks like we have a while to wait though.
post #589 of 1006
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I'm looking forward to the Hayley Atwell series too. She was terrific in Captain America. It will be fun to see her reprise her role as Peggy Carter in a series in which she is the star. Looks like we have a while to wait though.
Unless this show(SHIELD) raises the bar several(a bunch!) notches above what we've been getting so far this looks like a very nice time slot for the Agent Carter show! wink.gif
post #590 of 1006
Stirring things up after a bit of an absence on my part due to some personal business...

Why does anyone think Agent Carter will be different than the current show?

I liked the Agent Carter minisode... but I also liked the Coulson minisodes... I've seen a bunch of people railing against SHIELD who loved those Coulson shorts... so I will not be surprised in the least if Agent Carter is essentially the same show as SHIELD but just set in the 1940s and early days of SHIELD... but I basically expect it to be pretty much the exact same kind and tone of show.
post #591 of 1006
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Unless this show(SHIELD) raises the bar several(a bunch!) notches above what we've been getting so far this looks like a very nice time slot for the Agent Carter show! wink.gif

Yeah, Agents of Shield has been a disappointment. I had expected better from Joss Whedon.
post #592 of 1006
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Stirring things up after a bit of an absence on my part due to some personal business...

Why does anyone think Agent Carter will be different than the current show?

I liked the Agent Carter minisode... but I also liked the Coulson minisodes... I've seen a bunch of people railing against SHIELD who loved those Coulson shorts... so I will not be surprised in the least if Agent Carter is essentially the same show as SHIELD but just set in the 1940s and early days of SHIELD... but I basically expect it to be pretty much the exact same kind and tone of show.
For me it pretty much comes down Agent Carter being far more memorable than anyone in this show so far, the Coulson character being the exception. The rest of them? If they were written out of the show before the next episode aired I wouldn't miss any of them.
post #593 of 1006
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Why does anyone think Agent Carter will be different than the current show?

In it's favor a far more interesting and less frequently used time period to set an action-adventure show in. At least then it wouldnt be just another CSI show with a slightly different case load and logo.

And they might get some new talent onboard instead of trading (and misleading) on Joss Whedon marketing hype when he is barely involved. Unless the Agent Carter show pulls another one of those "From the Assistant Producers of the Minisode Directed by the Writers of the Brother of the Cousin of One of The Avenger's Casting Agents! Joss Whedon!" marketing ploys.
Edited by VisionOn - 1/4/14 at 2:59pm
post #594 of 1006
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Why does anyone think Agent Carter will be different than the current show?

I'll give you two big reasons. xD
post #595 of 1006
"Sheild" is not going anywhere: "As it turns out, based on the Live + 7 day numbers as driven by DVR playback, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has earned a mammoth 4.8 rating in adults 18-49, making it Tuesday's undisputed number one show this season to date. Meanwhile, NBC's The Voice currently stands in second place with a 4.6, and CBS' NCIS remains a distant third at 4.2."
post #596 of 1006
True, this show isn't going anywhere. The good news is that the producers probably hear the anguished cries of the disaffected (how could they not?) and may well address the show's problems to create a more palatable product.

Hint: movie star cameos, guys. A show ostensibly about superheros occasionally needs a shot of super. A few days of their time won't kill 'em, they're being made rich by Marvel, and hey - "Ain't we all on the same team?"

The list of shows that listened, adapted, and improved in their sophmore years is long. Look at 'Dollhouse'.

Of course, to play devil's advocate, sometimes it goes the other way. See: the brilliant but under-appreciated 'Boomtown'. But that's usually because the network steps in and muddies the water due to ratings concerns. That's not a concern here.
post #597 of 1006
The concern would be the reverse, in that changing the show to appeal to the superhero buffs would alienate the generic viewers that are keeping the ratings strong. I doubt that ABC will change anything to do with the show's format or sub-par cast, but I wouldn't be surprised if its initial success in the ratings leads it to get a bigger budget (which could in turn lead to more cameos).
post #598 of 1006
Listening to viewer feedback can be a dangerous thing.

I'm reminded of Heroes... several years ago... that started strong and developed a huge audience... but then the writers and producers started listening to fans... and characters that were planned to be killed off, were re-written because they were fan favorites... and the show started a downward plot spiral that in the end alienated those exact fans.

Be careful what you ask for, you might get it... was never more true... fans "demanded" more of certain characters, and they got it... at the expense of plot and storytelling.

That's one reason to like TV shows that complete their whole season before airing the first episode... it helps to curb in-season tinkering by knee-jerk reactions to what fans like or dislike.
post #599 of 1006
Boring... well other than Sky I suppose...
post #600 of 1006
I liked this episode.
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