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post #31 of 134
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Originally Posted by Eldave View Post

The XS30 seems to be a popular choice around here, but looking at the specs on the HSU site, and comparing to the graph on the PSA site, the ULS15 is down only 1 dB at 15 hz, whereas the XS30 is down 5 dB at 20 hz, and down 10 or 11 dB at 15 hz. That suggests the ULS15 has substantially better low end extension.

any reason why you only compared 15 and 20hz? what about 10, 25,30,40,50,63hz? also where dod you get your max output numbers from?
post #32 of 134
The Hsu has built in Eq to boost the low end and the PSA rolls off naturally for a natural in room boost.
post #33 of 134
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

it would be nice if companies would list measurement and output number right on the web page like PSA does.

...+1

It's seems that when it's not done, it's for the benefit of the manufacture and not the benefit of the consumer.
post #34 of 134
When the post measurements, it needs to be on the same level playing field, everyone needs to do the same test. Not specs that nobody can follow and not measure against each other.
post #35 of 134
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Originally Posted by Cvetan1 View Post

When the post measurements, it needs to be on the same level playing field, everyone needs to do the same test. Not specs that nobody can follow and not measure against each other.

Yes this would be great!
post #36 of 134
Yes, but I can see what would happen as it does now, whichever sub has a higher number is always considered better, like more watts.
post #37 of 134
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

The Hsu has built in Eq to boost the low end and the PSA rolls off naturally for a natural in room boost.

That EQ boost can be negated by the ULF Trim control, so the ULS-15 can rely on room boost as well. It's a nice feature to have when the room isn't helping with the low end.
post #38 of 134
I agree, just saying most compare when boost engaged to subs without boost engaged. How many times do you read that their ported sub goes deeper than their sealed sub? All the time and simply this only happens around tune and with sealed you can boost that same low end for the same results.
post #39 of 134
Thread Starter 
So it looks like it has "features," but at the end of the day it's a 15" woofer in a 18" cube. Which is a nice feature if someone is looking for bass in a small-ish box. Too bad there isn't a "performance per inch" category. Speaking of the woofer, anything special about this XBL^2?
post #40 of 134
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Originally Posted by EpiKing View Post

Speaking of the woofer, anything special about this XBL^2?
Here is a article about XBL^2. Basically it splits up the magnetic gap thus spreading out the BL (the driver motor strength) over a wider area. Magnetic force is spread out over a wider area so there is greater cone control over a longer excursion. This reduces distortion over a greater dynamic range, so the sound remains linear at louder levels than a typical design.
post #41 of 134
Years back I bought a SDX driver that sported XBL. Very nice driver with great response and SQ. It’s actually a driver that I have kept over the years. Not sure why it’s been discontinued though. Anyway if it does as well in a sealed option than it has in my vented, I’m all thumbs up.



post #42 of 134
Firstly, to address all of the DIY guys: Sure, you should, theoretically, always be able to build it yourself for cheaper. Hell, I could have built my house, my car, all of my furniture, etc..., etc..., etc..., for cheaper than what I bought it all for. But that's not really the point when someone asks for a consumer (for lack of a better term) sub recommendation, now is it? I don't know about you guys but when I ask for a speaker recommendation I don't want to hear "build it yourself," I want to hear honest recommendations about which speaker to buy and why. I'm not interested in building it myself or I would have, right? If I wanted an enclosure recommendation, a woofer recommendation, an amp recommendation, etc..., I would ask for one.

Now, to address the OP: I don't really know why the HSU gets no love. I have one and I absolutely love it. Would gladly recommend it to my friends. I'll also be the first to say that yes, it was a bit pricey and yes, there are probably others for that price that will perform as well as the HSU (maybe even better), but they weren't around or available for a demo when I was searching. I'm entirely satisfied with it, even though I payed a few hundred more than it's going for right now.

After reading the other responses, it would seem that basically everyone feels you should just build one or buy one of the few others that can compete. That makes sense, but if you were to ask me, or I actually hung around to see the recommendation requests, I would surely recommend the HSU. I also agree with a few others as well that sheer numbers don't mean everything. What I care about is how it actually performs and sounds, not what's written on paper. Sure, the numbers can be good selling points and performance indicators, but I actually demoed MANY subs and found this baby to be about the best bang for my buck out of what I demoed (which obviously couldn't be every sub out there).

In closing, I definitely feel the HSU should get a bit more love and recommendations, but it seems everyone here just wants to pinch pennies and complain about cost. That's cool, the economy sucks anyways...
post #43 of 134
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Originally Posted by TheUO View Post

Firstly, to address all of the DIY guys: Sure, you should, theoretically, always be able to build it yourself for cheaper. Hell, I could have built my house, my car, all of my furniture, etc..., etc..., etc..., for cheaper than what I bought it all for. But that's not really the point when someone asks for a consumer (for lack of a better term) sub recommendation, now is it? I don't know about you guys but when I ask for a speaker recommendation I don't want to hear "build it yourself," I want to hear honest recommendations about which speaker to buy and why. I'm not interested in building it myself or I would have, right? If I wanted an enclosure recommendation, a woofer recommendation, an amp recommendation, etc..., I would ask for one.

Now, to address the OP: I don't really know why the HSU gets no love. I have one and I absolutely love it. Would gladly recommend it to my friends. I'll also be the first to say that yes, it was a bit pricey and yes, there are probably others for that price that will perform as well as the HSU (maybe even better), but they weren't around or available for a demo when I was searching. I'm entirely satisfied with it, even though I payed a few hundred more than it's going for right now.

After reading the other responses, it would seem that basically everyone feels you should just build one or buy one of the few others that can compete. That makes sense, but if you were to ask me, or I actually hung around to see the recommendation requests, I would surely recommend the HSU. I also agree with a few others as well that sheer numbers don't mean everything. What I care about is how it actually performs and sounds, not what's written on paper. Sure, the numbers can be good selling points and performance indicators, but I actually demoed MANY subs and found this baby to be about the best bang for my buck out of what I demoed (which obviously couldn't be every sub out there).

In closing, I definitely feel the HSU should get a bit more love and recommendations, but it seems everyone here just wants to pinch pennies and complain about cost. That's cool, the economy sucks anyways...

Not everyone is aware of the option of DIY. Furthermore, many people aren't aware how easy it is to DIY. You're a good example of this, as you're relating building a subwoofer to building furniture, a car, and a house.

The reason why people aren't quick to recommend the ULS 15 is because it doesn't have the instant appeal of other ID subs within it's price range. Sure, if someone is willing to take the time to purchase several subs and demo them in home, then the ULS 15 might as well be one of these subs. But not everyone wants to do this. If you're willing to spend a few weeks demoing subs you might as well just order a flat pack and some PL premium and build your own sub on the weekend.

I don't think someone skipping the ULS 15 and going for a more appealing product for the same price is "pinching pennies". People buy what they feel to be the best bang for the buck. Some people find that to be the ULS 15, some don't.
post #44 of 134
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Originally Posted by Louquid View Post


The reason why people aren't quick to recommend the ULS 15 is because it doesn't have the instant appeal of other ID subs within it's price range.

Its just like Axiom subwoofers which are overpriced beyond the competition and outclassed by subwoofers in their price ranges. SVS is also getting somewhat pricey and may end up losing market share because of it. I noticed less and less SVS recommendations like PB12 plus and Ultra. Still great performers but I think a few of them are just alittle over priced for what you get, like SVS SB13 Ultra $1600 for a sealed 13" is getting kind of crazy and almost zero value IMO and hardly ever see this getting recommended. This is similar to what is happening to HSU ULS 15 and why its never recommended or atleast never suggested. Better performance for less from other IDs.
post #45 of 134
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Its just like Axiom subwoofers which are overpriced beyond the competition and outclassed by subwoofers in their price ranges. SVS is also getting somewhat pricey and may end up losing market share because of it. I noticed less and less SVS recommendations like PB12 plus and Ultra. Still great performers but I think a few of them are just alittle over priced for what you get, like SVS SB13 Ultra $1600 for a sealed 13" is getting kind of crazy and almost zero value IMO and hardly ever see this getting recommended. This is similar to what is happening to HSU ULS 15 and why its never recommended or atleast never suggested. Better performance for less from other IDs.

I wouldn't get that carried away! Lol the ULS-15 isn't that bad. wink.gif
post #46 of 134
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

This is similar to what is happening to HSU ULS 15 and why its never recommended or atleast never suggested. Better performance for less from other IDs.

I don't see this. The ULS is competing with the SB13 and Rythmik F15HP as a high output, high SQ, somewhat more upscale sub, and it is less expensive than either. The PSA XS15 is another sealed 15", but I don't think it's in direct competition with any of those, it has few features, likely lesser performance, and a utilitarian finish. You can get more output from a big ported box, but if you can't have a huge subwoofer cabinet in your room, as many can not, the ULS, F15HP, abd SB13 are great choices. Even if you can have large ported boxes, they are still good choices for those who want to chase after super deep frequencies that ported subs can not dig down to. Of course you would need multiples to get any real tangible sub 20 hz bass, but no amount of ported subs are going to give you any serious about below their tuning point. I would say that as a dollar/SPL proposition, the ULS isn't the value that the VTF15h is, but if the budget isn't so tight, something like a quad ULS drive is a lot more appealing than a quad VTF15h setup.
post #47 of 134
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I don't see this. The ULS is competing with the SB13 and Rythmik F15HP as a high output, high SQ, somewhat more upscale sub, and it is less expensive than either. The PSA XS15 is another sealed 15", but I don't think it's in direct competition with any of those, it has few features, likely lesser performance, and a utilitarian finish. You can get more output from a big ported box, but if you can't have a huge subwoofer cabinet in your room, as many can not, the ULS, F15HP, abd SB13 are great choices. Even if you can have large ported boxes, they are still good choices for those who want to chase after super deep frequencies that ported subs can not dig down to. Of course you would need multiples to get any real tangible sub 20 hz bass, but no amount of ported subs are going to give you any serious about below their tuning point. I would say that as a dollar/SPL proposition, the ULS isn't the value that the VTF15h is, but if the budget isn't so tight, something like a quad ULS drive is a lot more appealing than a quad VTF15h setup.

I would be extremely surprised if an ULS-15 had any noticeable output advantage over a XS15. The amp in it doesn't have any power advantage over a XS15, both enclosures are almost the exact same size and both use quality 15" drivers. So I don't see how a XS15 would have "lesser performance" as you put it.

I'll agree with you that the finish isn't for everyone, but I think it looks good in person. But on all your other points I'll have to disagree.
post #48 of 134
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I would be extremely surprised if an ULS-15 had any noticeable output advantage over a XS15. The amp in it doesn't have any power advantage over a XS15, both enclosures are almost the exact same size and both use quality 15" drivers. So I don't see how a XS15 would have "lesser performance" as you put it.

I'll agree with you that the finish isn't for everyone, but I think it looks good in person. But on all your other points I'll have to disagree.

I think that the ULS is using a better driver. Of course, I can't say for sure without knowing the specs of either driver, neither of which are public, but just visually compare at the magnet, spider, and surrounds of each driver:
XS15 driver:

ULS-15 driver:

I'm pretty sure these drivers are not on the same level.
post #49 of 134
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I think that the ULS is using a better driver. Of course, I can't say for sure without knowing the specs of either driver, neither of which are public, but just visually compare at the magnet, spider, and surrounds of each driver:
XS15 driver:

ULS-15 driver:

I'm pretty sure these drivers are not on the same level.

Okay so the ULS-15's magnet would look to be a little better, but the amp really doesn't have anymore power and the enclosures are the same size. Maybe Jim Wilson can weigh in, i believe he's heard both at a sub shoot out and from what I recall most people preferred the XS15. Maybe it was the KC Shootout.
post #50 of 134
Actually I think that the ULS-15 would have a little more output but so it should considering the price difference. Keep in mind that for basically the same price as the ULS-15 you could get a XS30 from PSA and that would have more output then the HSU sub.
post #51 of 134
There was a ULS at a shootout in October of last year, but that unit was exhibiting a problem, it was making mechanical noises at a low level sweep which is not healthy. And yes, you could get a louder sub for the same price, but the ULS isn't made for SPL wars. It is a feature rich, smaller sub with a concession to aesthetics.
post #52 of 134
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

feature rich.

Lol... You make it sound like its a extra special features, I'm sure 98% of the people that buy a ULS-15 don't even use these extra features. I'm pretty sure a miniDSP would be all anyone would really need to help out with that.
post #53 of 134
A lot of people use the wireless connectivity, that is a big selling point of the ULS. Personally, I have need of the XLR inputs, in fact my dual drive connected to the wireless, XLR, and line-in. I also use the ULF trim which is a useful feature for those who don't benefit from room gain. High level inputs are good for those who are just running a stereo system. MiniDSP is nice, but most people wouldn't have that, hell, look how many people have nice room correction equalization on their receivers and don't even bother running that. These extra features can be handy. Personally I wouldn't be able to use a PSA sub, at least for my computer setup, there is just not enough connectivity.
post #54 of 134
Wireless connectivity is nothing to brag about either. There are aftermarket companies that can add that feature to any sub, its not just limited to the HSU.
post #55 of 134
In a lot of ways The HUS ULS vs others is a lot like the JL audio fathom debate. Now before someone slams me. I think the ULS-15 is a much better deal than JL but it deals with the same issue. In its price range both subs have a lot of competition. For example the JL audio fathom F113 sub at 3.9K to 4k is one of the best small for factor subs. It also has very nice aesthetics and front mounted controls (I wish all subs would go front or top mounted amp controls.) But besides those things it is way way over priced. As of now there are many competitors at or its price point in both sealed and ported variations (SVS RhythmiK, PSA, HSU, Seaton, JTR and so on) many of them you can get in a nice veneer as well. So its not surprising that many won't recommend that sub.

Its the same with the HSU ULS-15, it has a lot competition at the same price and some at possible a little more.

For example here are some subs that can be had for the a similar price to HSU. Possibly a little more or a little less.

Rhythmik

F15

FV15HP (ported)

F25

Power Sound Audio

XS30

1 or 2 XS15's

1 or 2 XV15 (ported)

SVS

SB-ultra 13

And I'm sure there are more options I'm missing.
post #56 of 134
nevermind....biggrin.gif
post #57 of 134
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I wouldn't get that carried away! Lol the ULS-15 isn't that bad. wink.gif

Well I didn't mean to come off that the HSU is a bad subwoofer and its definitely not, and if it was just a tad cheaper I would have a pair for sure. But I just don't see much value in it when I can get a pair of XS15s for alittle more or a single XS30 that would outperform it. Although the price to performance ratio of the HSU isn't as bad as say the Axiom EP600 $1900 and can't even outperform the $769 SVS PB12NSD but I do think its past over for better value products. And its really the same for the SVS PB12 Plus which alot of people pass over for the HSU VTF15H or Rythmik FV15 HP (which matches the Ultra).

I don't own any PSA products yet but it seems since they came about everyone has been questioning or starting to question the bang for the buck from the long time ID subwoofer brands.
post #58 of 134
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Well I didn't mean to come off that the HSU is a bad subwoofer and its definitely not, and if it was just a tad cheaper I would have a pair for sure. But I just don't see much value in it when I can get a pair of XS15s for alittle more or a single XS30 that would outperform it. Although the price to performance ratio of the HSU isn't as bad as say the Axiom EP600 $1900 and can't even outperform the $769 SVS PB12NSD but I do think its past over for better value products. And its really the same for the SVS PB12 Plus which alot of people pass over for the HSU VTF15H or Rythmik FV15 HP (which matches the Ultra).

I don't own any PSA products yet but it seems since they came about everyone has been questioning or starting to question the bang for the buck from the long time ID subwoofer brands.

I'm not really surprised. PSA is headed up by most of who was behind the SVS's best designs (PBUltra and so on) in Tom V's case all of SVS designs to the very beginning) The only way PSA could have had more of SVS's former talent was if they got Stephen Ponte as well, who is now with VIfa. I think this is part of SVS's problem there really stagnate. They lost all of their reaming founders when they where bought out and got a new CEO. The only old face we see is Ed Mullen. Their still popular but they prices are going up and they haven't really wowed any one with anything. There not SVS anymore. At least not what I remember SVS being.

HSU is slow but stable. They might not being doing anything crazy but there not going under or under going huge changes to management either. They provide a good option just as they always have.

PSA is wowing so many people because their smaller and willing to push the envelope like old SVS did. Also they have a good spread of products from the budgetish XS15 all the way up the Triax which competes with all of the high end subs (Seaton, JTR, JL, and everyone else). Yet they don't seem to making the mistake that Epik, ED and others have made by selling too cheap.
post #59 of 134
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Originally Posted by oneeyeblind View Post

In a lot of ways The HUS ULS vs others is a lot like the JL audio fathom debate. Now before someone slams me. I think the ULS-15 is a much better deal than JL but it deals with the same issue. In its price range both subs have a lot of competition. For example the JL audio fathom F113 sub at 3.9K to 4k is one of the best small for factor subs. It also has very nice aesthetics and front mounted controls (I wish all subs would go front or top mounted amp controls.) But besides those things it is way way over priced. As of now there are many competitors at or its price point in both sealed and ported variations (SVS RhythmiK, PSA, HSU, Seaton, JTR and so on) many of them you can get in a nice veneer as well. So its not surprising that many won't recommend that sub.

Its the same with the HSU ULS-15, it has a lot competition at the same price and some at possible a little more.

For example here are some subs that can be had for the a similar price to HSU. Possibly a little more or a little less.

Rhythmik

F15

FV15HP (ported)

F25

Power Sound Audio

XS30

1 or 2 XS15's

1 or 2 XV15 (ported)

SVS

SB-ultra 13

And I'm sure there are more options I'm missing.

Only a few of those have high WAF, and between those, the ULS is very competitive. The ULS is meant for good bass from a smaller sub. If you don't have to worry about WAF, that's what the VTF15h or VTF3 is for.
post #60 of 134
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Only a few of those have high WAF, and between those, the ULS is very competitive. The ULS is meant for good bass from a smaller sub. If you don't have to worry about WAF, that's what the VTF15h or VTF3 is for.

I don't know minus the limited finishes on the Rhythmik subs most have good finish choices. I would argue now that PSA has veneer one a lot of options they have become a better choice than before. I guess I would argue if you can fit the size the appearance won't be a problem. Unless WAF is only seen as small as being whats important.

I also just checked the SVS options, they have really limited their finish choices, what a bummer, seems like its down to black oak and gloss black.
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