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post #151 of 7316
There doesn't even seem to be a time line inregards to `Real 4K' out there. The 30fps may be around for another 1 to 5 years!
You know how they all squabble about what system and specs should be used, and after a lot of long months of foot dragging they START to come to some kind of concensus. Don't hold your breath on this one, you may suffocate yourself!
Edited by p5browne - 6/1/13 at 4:32am
post #152 of 7316
Can any owners connecting this Set to a PC try to see if 2560x1440p is a selectable resolution and if it works at 60fps? I am a gamer and I know that I can't get 60fps at 2160p, but wondering if 1440p would work.

thanks in advance to anyone that can test this out for me.
post #153 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

You are confused if you expect Sony to retrofit every X90 with HDMI 2.0. You may not like the answer, but Sony's equivalent to the "evolution kit" is probably FMP-X1. That's the cost of early adoption.

I think you are confused yourself. How would the X1 be a solution to the lack of HDMI 2.0? It would still connect to the TV via the HDMI 1.4 jacks and could not provide HDMI 2.0 for additional devices. Is there even an upgrade port of any type on the X900? I don't think anyone should buy this set expecting to receive an upgrade unless Sony publicly commits to providing a solution. Otherwise, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
post #154 of 7316
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Here is an image of the clouding. It's enhanced a little. The top 4 clouds are what really pop out in dark scenes.



Here is a link to show what the banding/DSE is like on this TV. It's actually not very noticeable during viewing. Only when there are grayish scenes with pans does it really pop out. Scenes with sky, water, and grass it's barely visible.

http://youtu.be/yzUaDfne3NM


All of that aside, it's a great TV. The color is amazing. The motion is good and comparable to the HX950. You just have to dial in the settings and have a good source, like blu-ray. Compressed sources like Directv have a lot of judder and I can see where people would have a problem. I'll likely be returning mine for the above reasons and the fact that the HDMI 2.0/60hz thing spooked me. I was an early adopter of HD and had the 350lb 65" with only a component-in connection. Then came DVI, then HDMI. I feel like that is what the HDMI 1.4 4k TVs are. They'll come out with the new 60Hz 4k next year, and so on, and so on. Keep us all "needing" to stay current.

I'm interested in this set, but very concerned about banding. I had a Sharp set years ago that had banding and it drove me crazy seeing this dark gray bar down the middle of the screen anytime the camera panned. I'm surprised, if this is a common issue, that more people aren't discussing it. If there is indeed banding, I won't go near this set. Would like to know how widespread this issue is with this set.
post #155 of 7316
Any one calibrated their 65x900a yet? If yes, kindly post their calibration settings for comparison. So far, I am leveraging the settings from VE HDTV shootout a few weeks back.
post #156 of 7316
Being the impetuous child I am, I ordered the 65" model today after seeing it on display at the Sony Store and a private showroom.

Now I sit by the window waiting for the Wells Fargo wagon.

Nice to meet you all!

Lee
post #157 of 7316
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Originally Posted by stracenska View Post

I'm interested in this set, but very concerned about banding. I had a Sharp set years ago that had banding and it drove me crazy seeing this dark gray bar down the middle of the screen anytime the camera panned. I'm surprised, if this is a common issue, that more people aren't discussing it. If there is indeed banding, I won't go near this set. Would like to know how widespread this issue is with this set.

I'm a believer that no set exists without it to some extent. I can say although it's very noticeable when running a banding test video, it's not that noticeable during normal viewing, even hockey, golf, etc.

Maybe the white LED backlights bring it out more in the other non-quantum dot sets. I have no clue as I do not actually know what causes banding during the manufacturing process.
post #158 of 7316
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

I've noticed a little bit of clouding like MBart11 has. I've also noticed last night when watching 3D off DirecTV that there was yellow vertical lines all over the screen. This sounds like it must be
where the resolution on passive 3D gets cut in half? I thought that this set would automatically upconvert the 3D to prevent this problem? Maybe I have a defective set?

One other question I have is the 'mastered in 4K' movies. I bought Taxi Driver and am playing it on my PS3. It doesn't upconvert the movie to 4k and the Mastered in 4k option is greyed out on the TV.
Do I need a special bluray player to see the 4k resolution on these movies?

Thanks.

scene select needs to be set to cinema in order to change the mastered in 4k setting
post #159 of 7316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I think you are confused yourself. How would the X1 be a solution to the lack of HDMI 2.0? It would still connect to the TV via the HDMI 1.4 jacks and could not provide HDMI 2.0 for additional devices. Is there even an upgrade port of any type on the X900? I don't think anyone should buy this set expecting to receive an upgrade unless Sony publicly commits to providing a solution. Otherwise, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Read the posts as this issue has been discussed and no one has claimed the X1 was a solution for HDMI 2.0.
post #160 of 7316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Here is an image of the clouding. It's enhanced a little. The top 4 clouds are what really pop out in dark scenes.

Something is either seriously wrong with your set or else the brightness is cranked and local dimming is off.
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Here is a link to show what the banding/DSE is like on this TV. It's actually not very noticeable during viewing. Only when there are grayish scenes with pans does it really pop out. Scenes with sky, water, and grass it's barely visible.

http://youtu.be/yzUaDfne3NM

The X9 has some strong processing features which can cause problems if used incorrectly so pics and videos like this aren't very helpful without knowing the settings.
post #161 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Something is either seriously wrong with your set or else the brightness is cranked and local dimming is off.
The X9 has some strong processing features which can cause problems if used incorrectly so pics and videos like this aren't very helpful without knowing the settings.

Local dimming on standard and clouding evident from backlight set to 1 all the way to 10. If local dimming was off clouding is worse for obvious reasons. The 950 had clouding until the backlight was set to standard and then it was pitch black. This not so much with the four top clouds, but everywhere else one of the best ive seen for an edge lit.

As for banding it's pretty evident regardless of setting with a banding test video. Trust me I've tweaked every setting on this as well as my 950 to try and mask it the best I could. Unfortunately the only time it would go away is when I closed my eyes. That said the video is to show that the bands are there and spread out one every six inches or so but the x9's banding density is far less than the 950 and not real evident during viewing unless there is a panning greyish scene from my observation.

I'm pretty confident there are some very very good uniformed X9s out there. It's just ridiculous that they make it a lottery for the consumers.
Edited by mbart11 - 6/4/13 at 2:29am
post #162 of 7316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mbart11 View Post

Local dimming on standard and clouding evident from backlight set to 1 all the way to 10. If local dimming was off clouding is worse for obvious reasons. The 950 had clouding until the backlight was set to standard and then it was pitch black. This not so much with the four top clouds, but everywhere else one of the best ive seen for an edge lit.

As for banding it's pretty evident regardless of setting with a banding test video. Trust me I've tweaked every setting on this as well as my 950 to try and mask it the best I could. Unfortunately the only time it would go away is when I closed my eyes. That said the video is to show that the bands are there and spread out one every six inches or so but the x9's banding density is far less than the 950 and not real evident during viewing unless there is a panning greyish scene from my observation.

I'm pretty confident there are some very very good uniformed X9s out there. It's just ridiculous that they make it a lottery for the consumers.

It seriously looks like your set is defective. Might want to consider to returning it!
post #163 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

You are confused if you expect Sony to retrofit every X90 with HDMI 2.0. You may not like the answer, but Sony's equivalent to the "evolution kit" is probably FMP-X1. That's the cost of early adoption.

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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Read the posts as this issue has been discussed and no one has claimed the X1 was a solution for HDMI 2.0.

Besides you? How do you figure it is anything at all close to the equivalent of the Evolution Kit?
post #164 of 7316
Glass half full? I'm cautiously optimistic.

"At a 4K press event currently held in LA, Sony suggested that it will offer a solution to make its televisions compatible with the higher frame rates when the new HDMI standard is officially unveiled. While none of the Sony reps were able to go on the record, they strongly hinted that consumers that are now buying 55, 65 or 84-inch UHD televisions won't be left out in the cold. That likely means that the input board in the TV could be replaced, but Sony did not want to get ahead of itself."


source: http://us.hardware.info/news/34661/samsung-and-sony-to-offer-hdmi-20-upgrade-for-uhd-tvs
post #165 of 7316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post


Besides you? How do you figure it is anything at all close to the equivalent of the Evolution Kit?

Do you even read the posts you repond to? For the Nth time NO ONE has claimed the X1 will solve the HDMI 2.0 problem, only that It might be the only "solution" Sony offers since it is pushing the 4k digital distribution method heavily.
post #166 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Do you even read the posts you repond to? For the Nth time NO ONE has claimed the X1 will solve the HDMI 2.0 problem, only that It might be the only "solution" Sony offers since it is pushing the 4k digital distribution method heavily.

I guess my point was that it wasn't a solution at all.
post #167 of 7316
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I guess my point was that it wasn't a solution at all.

So tell that to Sony!
post #168 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

So tell that to Sony!
That's what we need here! MORE snippy comments!!!! I frequently submit contrary comments...BUT...I do it respectfully and courteously. That is what the VAST majority of the readers of AVS Forum want to see and read.
Like my mom said (RIP) many years ago - If you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T say it!
post #169 of 7316
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

That's what we need here! MORE snippy comments!!!!

You are taking it out of context.
post #170 of 7316
Dear all,
I just go my XBR65X900A for 2 weeks...I'm very satisfied with its performance except some cloudings in the upper edge when viewing some dark scenes.
I try to calibrate my TV with the video pattern stored in the "optimizer" section of the Disney Bluray "Brave". When I calibrate the "Contrast" of the TV...even if I turn to maximum level of the"Picture" and "backlight", I still can see the blinking vertical bars on the right side. Do i make something wrong with my calibration or the contrast level of this TV is not high enough to "disappear" that signal?
post #171 of 7316
On the yellow unboxing sheet that comes with the set, there is an illustration in the upper right corner. I cannot figure out what Sony is trying to tell me. Maybe I need to brush-up on my illustration art?



unboxing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9JKDzusKBM
post #172 of 7316
Thread Starter 
So somewhere it was said that 4k Youtube videos will not play in 4k on the X9 due to the codec. Is that confirmed?
post #173 of 7316
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

On the yellow unboxing sheet that comes with the set, there is an illustration in the upper right corner. I cannot figure out what Sony is trying to tell me. Maybe I need to brush-up on my illustration art?



unboxing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9JKDzusKBM

I can't see the image very well. Do you have a better picture?
post #174 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

So somewhere it was said that 4k Youtube videos will not play in 4k on the X9 due to the codec. Is that confirmed?

Are you talking about within the YouTube app? I assume so, just want to make sure.
post #175 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

So somewhere it was said that 4k Youtube videos will not play in 4k on the X9 due to the codec. Is that confirmed?

From what I understand the TV's youtube app does not allow for 4K streaming (just 4K film downconverted to 1080 by youtube then upconverted by the TV), but a computer connected via HDMI outputting 4K youtube video with the "Original" quality selected will show full 4K on our TV's.

I have had difficulty streaming the "original" quality 4K video on youtube due to a suboptimal internet connection, and am currently looking into ways to download the full original file from youtube to then play via VLC player to the TV via HDMI. (VLC player does play 4K content)
post #176 of 7316
The unboxing capture was taking from a youtube segment. After I blew it up even more, I think they're saying "don't grab the panel by the speaker or ported duct." I didn't see the little fingers originally.

I think this still frame might be better.

post #177 of 7316
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

Btw, what is up with the total lack of reviews for this television? Even the W900A has reviews and it was released after this set. I just want to know the input lag numbers because it's hard to look away from Sony's 1080p set that does 8ms.

At this point the lack of reviews is ridiculous.
post #178 of 7316
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

At this point the lack of reviews is ridiculous.

It's interesting, but even Sony's 84" 4K TV has no real reviews. And the only two available are more a "hands on" thing than an actual full lab test review. Seems as though Sony would not let any pro reviewer have this TV on loan to test it. And that TV has been available since fall of last year.
post #179 of 7316
If I remember correctly, Home Theater mag did a full review on the 84 inch few weeks ago.
post #180 of 7316
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Originally Posted by dvd2blu View Post

If I remember correctly, Home Theater mag did a full review on the 84 inch few weeks ago.

While they called it a review, it wasn't more than a glorified hands on with the TV. The Home Theater team had to lug some of their test equipment to the Sony facility to do a "review". And at that they weren't able to spend the days they normally would have with a product, and only were allowed an afternoon with the TV. So they really weren't able to do their usual in depth testing and time spent with the TV as they would have liked.

It would have been nice of Sony to have actually shipped a TV to their Home Theater Magazine facility, and let them put it through its paces over the course of many days using all their usual testing equipment.
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