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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Just received and installed my XBR65X900a.  I am experiencing an issue with allowing my AVR to up-scale the signal.  With IP Scaler = On in my Denon AVR4520 (which is advertised as supporting 4K up-conversion capabilities), the Sony does not see a signal.  I tried all IP Scaler settings, from 4K down to 480i, and regardless of the setting, if the 4520 is scaling the video, the Sony refuses to recognize the signal.  With IP Scaler = Off, the signal is passed through the 4520 and up-converted in the Sony just fine.

Anyone else out there with a  Denon 4520 that can test this out?  I posted this in the 4520 thread as well.

After conducting several calls with Sony Tech Support, they have informed me that they have no resolution for this issue, and recommended that I leave the IP Scaler option in the AVR set to off for the time being. While I don't have a big issue with doing this, it always disappoints me that things do not work as advertised.

Do any current owners of the 55X900 or 65X900 have a Blu-ray player that can up-scale the signal to 4K, like the Oppo BDP103/105? If yes, have you tried up-scaling in the player, and did it work properly?
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I was advised by Sony and others that the TV would upscale all signals... as well as it can be done. My experience with my equipment is yes, the image for every input, including blu-ray... and standard def. is the best that I have seen. My experience prior to this TV was my XBR8... which was excellent. I don't remember any advertising that said that 4k upscaling by any other device would be helpful. But I suppose you are trying to achieve perfection of your audio. I'm so knocked out by the great audio from the TV itself that I am less inclined to flip my super sound buttons. It seems to me that my blu-ray to external audio continues as it was before the new TV. 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts via blu-ray are unchanged. My Sony contracted tech guy connected system. I guess you could say I am too happy with everything... to seek more perfection, ...yet. Right... we are just never finished are we? I want to be finished. Everything is breathtaking. I recorded a 1080p opera from PBS a few days ago and sight and sound are magnificent. It's hare to believe that it's this good before you ever look at full 4k. The 4k image when fully 4k produced is impossible to describe to people have not seen it. I would say the effect is as though we had hdmi sockets implanted on the back of our heads. We see exactly what the 4k camera saw.
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Originally Posted by bobnorth65 View Post

I was advised by Sony and others that the TV would upscale all signals... as well as it can be done. My experience with my equipment is yes, the image for every input, including blu-ray... and standard def. is the best that I have seen. My experience prior to this TV was my XBR8... which was excellent. I don't remember any advertising that said that 4k upscaling by any other device would be helpful. But I suppose you are trying to achieve perfection of your audio. I'm so knocked out by the great audio from the TV itself that I am less inclined to flip my super sound buttons. It seems to me that my blu-ray to external audio continues as it was before the new TV. 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts via blu-ray are unchanged. My Sony contracted tech guy connected system. I guess you could say I am too happy with everything... to seek more perfection, ...yet. Right... we are just never finished are we? I want to be finished. Everything is breathtaking. I recorded a 1080p opera from PBS a few days ago and sight and sound are magnificent. It's hare to believe that it's this good before you ever look at full 4k. The 4k image when fully 4k produced is impossible to describe to people have not seen it. I would say the effect is as though we had hdmi sockets implanted on the back of our heads. We see exactly what the 4k camera saw.

 

I think Jerry's issue - other than wanting everything to work as it should - is that he may want to test the upscaling using different components in order to determine which does it best. It is quite possible, but not guaranteed, that the Sony panel may be the best upscaler in the system - but Jerry has upscalers in his AVR and in his BD player too, and it is possible that either of them might upscale better than the panel itself.

 
Chances are, any differences at this level of gear will be small, but it's worth knowing. I have always done my upscaling via my dedicated Video Processor, for example, and I would be very unhappy if this did not 'talk' properly to my display (not that my VP will do 4K upscaling anyway, and nor do I have a 4K display anyway :)  
 
I've seen some 4K demos and the quality has been variable. The most important thing is the underlying quality and ability of the display itself. 4K is LCD and as we all know, some LCD panels can have all sorts of issues - weak black level performance, poor off-axis viewing angles, problematic motion handling, hotspotting and so on. 4K is no guarantee of quality - just higher resolution. So the most important thing, for me, would be to ensure that the underlying display was the very best (as the Sony may well be of course).  I have seen 4K displays that were, frankly, very poor by comparison with, say, a top of the line 1080p plasma from Panasonic. Others have been very impressive and allow one to sit closer to the screen without being able to notice issues that may reveal themselves in 1080p at such a distance. 
 
I think that 4K has already been taken over by the marketing guys now, who are touting it as 'guaranteed better PQ', but nothing is further from the truth. Nevertheless, I expect people to be taken in by it and to assume as a result that if the TV is "4K" then it is automatically better than any 1080p HD display.
 
Fortunately, by all accounts, Sony have got it pretty much sorted - their 4K display I saw in a store environment looked terrific, even in the store. I am guessing it was set up by a Sony Rep and not by the kid in the store who normally does these things ;)
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Originally Posted by bobnorth65 View Post

I was advised by Sony and others that the TV would upscale all signals... as well as it can be done. My experience with my equipment is yes, the image for every input, including blu-ray... and standard def. is the best that I have seen. My experience prior to this TV was my XBR8... which was excellent. I don't remember any advertising that said that 4k upscaling by any other device would be helpful. But I suppose you are trying to achieve perfection of your audio. I'm so knocked out by the great audio from the TV itself that I am less inclined to flip my super sound buttons. It seems to me that my blu-ray to external audio continues as it was before the new TV. 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts via blu-ray are unchanged. My Sony contracted tech guy connected system. I guess you could say I am too happy with everything... to seek more perfection, ...yet. Right... we are just never finished are we? I want to be finished. Everything is breathtaking. I recorded a 1080p opera from PBS a few days ago and sight and sound are magnificent. It's hare to believe that it's this good before you ever look at full 4k. The 4k image when fully 4k produced is impossible to describe to people have not seen it. I would say the effect is as though we had hdmi sockets implanted on the back of our heads. We see exactly what the 4k camera saw.

 

 

I agree that the Sony Bravia engine does a very good job of up-scaling non-4K signals.  However, if every device in the signal chain is capable of up-scaling (display, AVR and player), then it makes sense to me to assess each device's capabilities, using test signals such as those on Spears&Munsil.  While I would not expect a huge difference, I do recall a comment in the Widescreen Review of the X900 that the Oppo up-scaling yielded slightly better test results.

 

Edit:  Keith is a faster typist than I am!

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Originally Posted by bobnorth65 View Post

I was advised by Sony and others that the TV would upscale all signals... as well as it can be done. My experience with my equipment is yes, the image for every input, including blu-ray... and standard def. is the best that I have seen. My experience prior to this TV was my XBR8... which was excellent. I don't remember any advertising that said that 4k upscaling by any other device would be helpful. But I suppose you are trying to achieve perfection of your audio. I'm so knocked out by the great audio from the TV itself that I am less inclined to flip my super sound buttons. It seems to me that my blu-ray to external audio continues as it was before the new TV. 5.1 dts and 7.1 dts via blu-ray are unchanged. My Sony contracted tech guy connected system. I guess you could say I am too happy with everything... to seek more perfection, ...yet. Right... we are just never finished are we? I want to be finished. Everything is breathtaking. I recorded a 1080p opera from PBS a few days ago and sight and sound are magnificent. It's hare to believe that it's this good before you ever look at full 4k. The 4k image when fully 4k produced is impossible to describe to people have not seen it. I would say the effect is as though we had hdmi sockets implanted on the back of our heads. We see exactly what the 4k camera saw.

 

 

I agree that the Sony Bravia engine does a very good job of up-scaling non-4K signals.  However, if every device in the signal chain is capable of up-scaling (display, AVR and player), then it makes sense to me to assess each device's capabilities, using test signals such as those on Spears&Munsil.  While I would not expect a huge difference, I do recall a comment in the Widescreen Review of the X900 that the Oppo up-scaling yielded slightly better test results.

 

Edit:  Keith is a faster typist than I am!

 

I know you too well it seems, Jerry :)  LOL. 

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Originally Posted by iChristopher View Post

Any benefits to ordering X9 online thru bestbuy rather than in store? Or vice versa?
Pro's and Con's to everything.

Lower pricing overall on the unit, usually no taxes when ordering online. In some cases better customer service hours.

In most cases store front's have an easier return policy. ( For the first 30 days that is. )
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


I agree that the Sony Bravia engine does a very good job of up-scaling non-4K signals.  However, if every device in the signal chain is capable of up-scaling (display, AVR and player), then it makes sense to me to assess each device's capabilities, using test signals such as those on Spears&Munsil.  While I would not expect a huge difference, I do recall a comment in the Widescreen Review of the X900 that the Oppo up-scaling yielded slightly better test results.

Edit:  Keith is a faster typist than I am!

I have the Sony 84" and did try upscaling using both my AVR (Marantz 7008) and my bly-ray player (Oppo 103). I had no trouble feeding the set a 4K signal. When I sent a upscaled signal using the AVR 4K I saw little or now difference between the AVR doing it or the Sony doing it.
I figure the Sony must have a better upscaler than the Marantz does so I go with letting the Sony do it.
Again using the 4K feature on the Oppo sending it a signal to the Sony I saw little or no difference. But you are right, you should be able to test these out for your self and see what you think.

I did notice a difference on SD when I ran my directv directly into the Oppo bypassing the AVR and going directly into an HDMI on the Sony having the Oppo upscaling to 4K. It looks better on dealing with SD than the Sony upscale did but noticed no difference on any HD channels. I did try and watch a baseball game with the AVR upscaling a directv channel to 4K. Not a good idea watching sports at 30fps, lots of jerkiness.
post #1718 of 7296
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

I have the Sony 84" and did try upscaling using both my AVR (Marantz 7008) and my bly-ray player (Oppo 103). I had no trouble feeding the set a 4K signal. When I sent a upscaled signal using the AVR 4K I saw little or now difference between the AVR doing it or the Sony doing it.
I figure the Sony must have a better upscaler than the Marantz does so I go with letting the Sony do it.
Again using the 4K feature on the Oppo sending it a signal to the Sony I saw little or no difference. But you are right, you should be able to test these out for your self and see what you think.

I did notice a difference on SD when I ran my directv directly into the Oppo bypassing the AVR and going directly into an HDMI on the Sony having the Oppo upscaling to 4K. It looks better on dealing with SD than the Sony upscale did but noticed no difference on any HD channels. I did try and watch a baseball game with the AVR upscaling a directv channel to 4K. Not a good idea watching sports at 30fps, lots of jerkiness.

Interesting report, thanks. If I receive all my TV programming from the DTV DVR, how do I avoid 30fps? Is the DVR passing 1080i at 60fps?
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Interesting report, thanks. If I receive all my TV programming from the DTV DVR, how do I avoid 30fps? Is the DVR passing 1080i at 60fps?

The 30fps reference is directed towards the AVR doing the 4k upscaling. Right now the Sony TV doesn't have HDMI 2.0 and neither does his (or any currently on the market) AVR. Thus, the 4k he is watching can only be sent at 30fps. Your DTV DVR sending it signal at 1080i isn't beholding to the 30fps limit that 4k over HDMI <2.0 currently has.
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


Thanks, Lee.  I would welcome your feedback.

I too wish to thank you! I did my calibration using just my eyes and the S&M disc. Other than using Warm1 instead of Warm2, my settings were VERY close to yours (I was afraid to go into the advanced setting and make changes - heh heh). Using what you posted, I was able to make a few small changes and bring it to an even better picture - although, I do prefer the Warm1 over the Warm2. But then again, everyone's eyes are different and each room the TV will be in is also different.

I was working on a TV today (not a Sony) where the person had the picture boosted way up and on vivid! I don't see how people can watch a TV so out of calibration!!!
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Originally Posted by disker72 View Post

I too wish to thank you! I did my calibration using just my eyes and the S&M disc. Other than using Warm1 instead of Warm2, my settings were VERY close to yours (I was afraid to go into the advanced setting and make changes - heh heh). Using what you posted, I was able to make a few small changes and bring it to an even better picture - although, I do prefer the Warm1 over the Warm2. But then again, everyone's eyes are different and each room the TV will be in is also different.

I was working on a TV today (not a Sony) where the person had the picture boosted way up and on vivid! I don't see how people can watch a TV so out of calibration!!!

Thanks, Disker. Without a measurement meter and software, setting the color temp the way you find it most visually pleasing certainly makes sense.

And regarding your 30fps feedback, I had never considered that when I was trying to up-scale in the AVR. Until HDMI 2.0 becomes a reality, it would be the best solution to send a 1080 signal to the Sony for conversion. I was aware of the 30fps limitation of HDMI 1.4, but just wasn't putting two and two together. Let's hope Sony comes through with a firmware update for the X900 to enable HDMI 2.0.
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Originally Posted by disker72 View Post

The 30fps reference is directed towards the AVR doing the 4k upscaling. Right now the Sony TV doesn't have HDMI 2.0 and neither does his (or any currently on the market) AVR. Thus, the 4k he is watching can only be sent at 30fps. Your DTV DVR sending it signal at 1080i isn't beholding to the 30fps limit that 4k over HDMI <2.0 currently has.

Yes thanks for mentioning that. That is our drawback with HDMI 1.4 not being able to go beyond 30fps when sending a 4K signal to the Sony. Of course this is not a problem when viewing a blu-ray movie since most movies will be in 24fps.
But when viewing sports or fast motion it is a problem.

I have read that Sony will take care of us with giving us HDMI 2 and thus 60fps (and maybe faster) sometime in the future with a firmware update for the 55" and 65" and a hardware switch out home visit for the 84" sets.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/surprise-sony-says-hdmi-2-0-is-just-a-firmware-update-away/

Existing High Speed HDMI cables are supposed to work on HDMI 2.0. I guess at some point we may need to buy HDMI 2.0 AVR's when ever they come out...oh boy.
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Existing High Speed HDMI cables are supposed to work on HDMI 2.0. I guess at some point we may need to buy HDMI 2.0 AVR's when ever they come out...oh boy.

It is not clear to me how the upgrade path to HDMI 2.0 will roll out. Blu-ray is a 24fps standard. I don't see a new standard evolving in the near future. We may see an HDMI 2.0 player or DVR with 4K up-conversion sometime next year, but we could connect that directly to the display, bypassing the AVR. So what else might evolve to take advantage of 60fps HDMI 2.0? I can't think of anything right now.

In retrospect, the fact that my AVR advertises 4K up-conversion now seems like nothing but a marketing ploy. Besides the fact that I can't get it to work...
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I have been checking this out and comparing to the f9000 Samsung. Pretty much made up my mind this was the better TV. I was waiting for the 850 being I'd rather have the smaller width set and do my own sound. After looking at the details on the new set I noticed the 3d is no longer passive on the 850. Does anyone know why they would change this on s set which was supposed to be offered as identical set without speakers. I am just concerned this panel may be different than the 900. I am no 3d expert and just trying to understand what has truly been modified on this speakerless version. Are the displays truly identical.
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This has already been discussed. If you look at the specs for the two sets on the Sony web site, the X850 is clearly listed as having active 3D technology. If you look closely, the descriptions of the display technologies are also different. The X900 has an OptiContrast Panel, which someone claims is manufactured by LG, IIRC.
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It is not clear to me how the upgrade path to HDMI 2.0 will roll out. Blu-ray is a 24fps standard. I don't see a new standard evolving in the near future. We may see an HDMI 2.0 player or DVR with 4K up-conversion sometime next year, but we could connect that directly to the display, bypassing the AVR. So what else might evolve to take advantage of 60fps HDMI 2.0? I can't think of anything right now.

In retrospect, the fact that my AVR advertises 4K up-conversion now seems like nothing but a marketing ploy. Besides the fact that I can't get it to work...

Yeah we can go direct to the TV without the AVR. HDMI 2 is capable of 10 or 12-bit color. HDMI 2.0 can handle up to 18 gigabits per second and can handle 32 channels of uncompressed audio.
When Sony announced it’s newest 4K televisions at IFA 2013, it also announced that most of its existing 4K sets can be upgraded to HDMI 2.0 by the end of 2013 through a simple firmware update

What AVR do you have? Do you have a 4K upscaling Blu-ray player?
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My AVR is the Denon AVR4520, which has 4K up-scaling capability.  However, as I reported earlier, there is an incompatibility between the 4520 and the X900, because when I feed the X900 an up-scaled signal, the X900 displays the "No signal..." message, regardless of the level of up-scaling on the Denon.  For example, it won't work at 1080P, 720P, or 480i.  Very strange.

 

My player is the Oppo BDP93.  I considered upgrading to the 103, but decided the advantages of upgrading were not that significant, specifically for 4K up-scaling.  I think I will wait for the next generation of Oppo players, which will likely have HDMI 2.0.

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I'm psyched
Edited by iraqgsm - 12/3/13 at 9:26pm
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was planning to get the 65, but boy just jumped on 55 for 2600 open box, cant wait till it gets here. I'm psyched

Good price, good luck, enjoy!
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Does anyone know if purchasing a Oppo BDP-105 would have any signficant picture difference from a Pioneer Elite BDP-62. I am recieving the X850 next week and wondering if its better to order the Oppo. Would the Oppo upscaling and the TV upscaling be an issue?
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I'm not sure there would be any advantage to up-converting in either player, rather than letting the Sony do it. So, if you are simply passing 1080p/24 from the player, I am sure either player would do a good job.

HST, I am a big Oppo fan, having owned two players. You can't go wrong with the Oppo. Just curious, are you looking at the BDP105 because of its high-quality analog outputs? You can save quite a bit of money with the BDP103, which has identical video processing. If you plan on hooking things up with HDMI, then you are converting to digital, and not using the superior analog audio capabilities of the 105.
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I'm not sure there would be any advantage to up-converting in either player, rather than letting the Sony do it. So, if you are simply passing 1080p/24 from the player, I am sure either player would do a good job.

HST, I am a big Oppo fan, having owned two players. You can't go wrong with the Oppo. Just curious, are you looking at the BDP105 because of its high-quality analog outputs? You can save quite a bit of money with the BDP103, which has identical video processing. If you plan on hooking things up with HDMI, then you are converting to digital, and not using the superior analog audio capabilities of the 105.

 

Agreed all round there, Jerry. And of course, anyone using the analogue capabilities of the 105 is also bypassing Audyssey (if they have it). Any alleged benefits of analogue are more than trashed IMO by the loss of room EQ. 

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I'm not sure there would be any advantage to up-converting in either player, rather than letting the Sony do it. So, if you are simply passing 1080p/24 from the player, I am sure either player would do a good job.

HST, I am a big Oppo fan, having owned two players. You can't go wrong with the Oppo. Just curious, are you looking at the BDP105 because of its high-quality analog outputs? You can save quite a bit of money with the BDP103, which has identical video processing. If you plan on hooking things up with HDMI, then you are converting to digital, and not using the superior analog audio capabilities of the 105.

I would rather go with the BDP-103 for the money. But in terms of picture quality, and difference from the Pioneer to the Oppo?
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I'm not sure there would be any advantage to up-converting in either player, rather than letting the Sony do it. So, if you are simply passing 1080p/24 from the player, I am sure either player would do a good job.

HST, I am a big Oppo fan, having owned two players. You can't go wrong with the Oppo. Just curious, are you looking at the BDP105 because of its high-quality analog outputs? You can save quite a bit of money with the BDP103, which has identical video processing. If you plan on hooking things up with HDMI, then you are converting to digital, and not using the superior analog audio capabilities of the 105.

I would rather go with the BDP-103 for the money. But in terms of picture quality, and difference from the Pioneer to the Oppo?

 

I'm not sure I am understanding you correctly, but there will be absolutely ZERO difference in BD PQ between the Oppo and any other BD player. A $100 BD player will give the same PQ as a $500 Oppo. People buy the Oppo for other reasons: build quality, load times, customer service and their universal disc capabilities. But PQ... no difference. I am referring to playing Blurays of course - the upscaling of SD material via the Oppo is going to likely be considerably superior to that of lesser players.

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This has already been discussed. If you look at the specs for the two sets on the Sony web site, the X850 is clearly listed as having active 3D technology. If you look closely, the descriptions of the display technologies are also different. The X900 has an OptiContrast Panel, which someone claims is manufactured by LG, IIRC.

thats interesting, i didnt know that. the 3D on the X9 is unbelievable! passive works best with 4k in my opinion? what do you guys think? and do you think the X9 that we have might have a better build quality then the new less expensive X850s with active 3D? thanks smile.gif
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thats interesting, i didnt know that. the 3D on the X9 is unbelievable! passive works best with 4k in my opinion? what do you guys think? and do you think the X9 that we have might have a better build quality then the new less expensive X850s with active 3D? thanks smile.gif

 

 

I can only speak for myself.  I was going to wait for the 850, but when I found out it had a different display technology and active 3D, I decided to purchase the X900.  While I would have preferred a display without the speakers, I have become used to them.  I don't know there will be any difference in build quality.  I have owned a number of top-end Sony displays over the years, and have found them to all be of excellent build quality.

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I have a XBR-55X900A that I've had since July. Wonderful TV, but I am trying to figure out an issue with the screen brightness.

Even in a nearly dark viewing room, the black levels of the TV are so dark, whatever there is not visible. I find it distracting and feel like I have the color settings wrong on the unit. This is very obvious when watching a scary movie with a scene designed to be in a dark environment, it looks like the set was not properly lit but I know that's not the case.

Any help/input? Is there a thread where people post their optimal video settings?
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Originally Posted by DoctorSpock View Post

I have a XBR-55X900A that I've had since July. Wonderful TV, but I am trying to figure out an issue with the screen brightness.

Even in a nearly dark viewing room, the black levels of the TV are so dark, whatever there is not visible. I find it distracting and feel like I have the color settings wrong on the unit. This is very obvious when watching a scary movie with a scene designed to be in a dark environment, it looks like the set was not properly lit but I know that's not the case.

Any help/input? Is there a thread where people post their optimal video settings?

 

 

Yes, there is.  It is this thread.  See the link in my signature.  Or check out the settings in the Home Theater review, which are very similar to the ones I came up with.

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Originally Posted by DoctorSpock View Post

I have a XBR-55X900A that I've had since July. Wonderful TV, but I am trying to figure out an issue with the screen brightness.

Even in a nearly dark viewing room, the black levels of the TV are so dark, whatever there is not visible. I find it distracting and feel like I have the color settings wrong on the unit. This is very obvious when watching a scary movie with a scene designed to be in a dark environment, it looks like the set was not properly lit but I know that's not the case.

Any help/input? Is there a thread where people post their optimal video settings?

I actually had the same issue when I first got the TV. The culprit was the "Eco" settings, which adjusted the brightness depending on ambient light. In a completely dark room, the brightness would decrease to the point where things got murky and hard to distinguish. I turned off the auto adjustment (which is turned on by default) and have been much happier with the PQ.

You should also try adjusting the backlight settings under the Advanced page of the picture options.

It's never a good idea to blindly adopt settings from other's calibrations. Most calibrators will tell you that each TV is different from the factory, and that there's no "universal" calibration settings. Use the settings that others have posted here as a general framework, but trust your eyes at the end of the day.
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

It is not clear to me how the upgrade path to HDMI 2.0 will roll out. Blu-ray is a 24fps standard. I don't see a new standard evolving in the near future. We may see an HDMI 2.0 player or DVR with 4K up-conversion sometime next year, but we could connect that directly to the display, bypassing the AVR. So what else might evolve to take advantage of 60fps HDMI 2.0? I can't think of anything right now.

In retrospect, the fact that my AVR advertises 4K up-conversion now seems like nothing but a marketing ploy. Besides the fact that I can't get it to work...

Games and TV shows are the only things that I can see using 60fps 4K. While high-end PCs can do 4K at 60fps now, mass adoption is still pretty far away. Same thing with 4K broadcasts, I think. In terms of 4K Blu-Ray, I can see 48fps (The Hobbit) taking off to some extent, but when remains to be seen.

I just wish they'd release a 4K disc format. The FMP-X1 just isn't cutting it!
Edited by BrianMundt - 9/18/13 at 2:36pm
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+1.  I mentioned this in my settings report as well.  It is the single most important setting to turn off immediately, and leave off.

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