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post #1771 of 7171
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

Something that has been bugging me about my new $4,000 tv and its sort of required $700 media "server" is that after paying all that, and listening to Sony crow about how everything is mastered in 4k.

There is basically no additional distribution cost for a downloaded 4k video: why exactly am I paying 5x more to get an old tv show or movie in 4k?

If these things are mastered in 4k, there is about zero cost to rip them and compress them, and then let me download on my dime to their content protected four ways from hell media server; aka disk drive plugged into the tv.

4k is going to die if they can't find customers, why are they not giving away the content or at least charging a fair price?

 

I suspect they are selling all the 4K units they can make right now. When sales plateau, I'd expect to see some sort of movement along the lines you describe.

post #1772 of 7171
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Originally Posted by philcox1984 View Post

After Sony release an upgrade for this set to HDMI 2.0 will it be able to play 4k at more than 30 fps ? E.G hobbit at 42(?) fps and other content at 60 fps?.....once content becomes available that is

Yes it will.

•4K@50/60fps, (2160p),
3D 4K at 30 fps
•Up to 32 audio channels for a multi-dimensional immersive audio experience
•Up to 1536kHz audio sample frequency for the highest audio fidelity
•Simultaneous delivery of dual video streams to multiple users on the same screen
•Simultaneous delivery of multi-stream audio to multiple users (up to 4)
•Support for the wide angle theatrical 21:9 video aspect ratio
•Dynamic synchronization of video and audio streams
•CEC extensions provides expanded command and control of consumer electronics devices through a single control point
significantly increases bandwidth up to 18Gbps

HDMI 2.0 does not define new cables or new connectors. Current High Speed cables (Category 2 cables) are capable of carrying the increased bandwidth
Edited by dreaux - 9/20/13 at 5:35am
post #1773 of 7171
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

Something that has been bugging me about my new $4,000 tv and its sort of required $700 media "server" is that after paying all that, and listening to Sony crow about how everything is mastered in 4k.

There is basically no additional distribution cost for a downloaded 4k video: why exactly am I paying 5x more to get an old tv show or movie in 4k?

If these things are mastered in 4k, there is about zero cost to rip them and compress them, and then let me download on my dime to their content protected four ways from hell media server; aka disk drive plugged into the tv.

4k is going to die if they can't find customers, why are they not giving away the content or at least charging a fair price?

 

I suspect they are selling all the 4K units they can make right now. When sales plateau, I'd expect to see some sort of movement along the lines you describe.

 

Yes, there is the "early adopter tax", (I should coin that term if it hasn't been used before, because you basically EAT the cost :p), but there is a cost to providing 4K.  Assuming they're not yet using H.265, they're forced to store 4 times the data per movie, and if they want to keep up with your download speed to the degree others keep up with your download speed at 2K they have to worry about 4 times the bandwidth on their end as well.

 

This 4K business is moving much quicker than any of us expected though.  It'll all drop very quickly.

post #1774 of 7171
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Originally Posted by philcox1984 View Post

I really want to buy the 65", I just can't get my head around the price here in Macau/Hong Kong. In the states it's selling for $5,500, but over here it's closer to $10k!
Import, people do it everyday.
post #1775 of 7171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Import, people do it everyday.

Well most well known online retailers will not ship internationally, and then there is the whole warranty issue, as Sony don't offer an international warranty from what I can work out.

I guess if I'm using a set top box for my cable, I don't need to worry about the different TV System in USA? HK uses China's DTMB, and I think this set is multisystem in terms of PAL/NTSC/SECAM?
post #1776 of 7171
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Originally Posted by philcox1984 View Post

After Sony release an upgrade for this set to HDMI 2.0 will it be able to play 4k at more than 30 fps ? E.G hobbit at 42(?) fps and other content at 60 fps?.....once content becomes available that is

 

 

Has the Hobbit @ 48fps actually been released in some form for home use?  Wasn't it shown in some movie houses in this format?

post #1777 of 7171
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Originally Posted by everyman2 View Post

I want to back you up on that 100%. I had the active 3D on my 929. I loved it. But when I went to the Sony store to check out the passive 3D in the store, I commented that I thought the active 3D on my 929 was infinitely better than the passive on the 4k 900A. The salesman disagreed and I bought the 4k anyway.

Was I ever wrong!!! I could not believe how utterly fantastic the passive 3D is. Talk about a wow factor. Aside from the fact that i no longer have to charge the batteries on the glasses, aside from the fact that the passive glasses are a thousand times easier to wear and fit over my regular eyeglasses so much better than the cumbersome active ones, it is ultimately the unbelievable 3D this set is capable of delivering. It is like night and day. I have never seen 3D this thrilling.

Why would Sony go back to the active for the 850? Ugh. I find that so disappointing. It makes no sense. Anyone have a theory? To me it is a really BAD choice. And I sincerely recommend anyone who wants 4K to seriously consider the 900 instead. Yes it is THAT different and that much better.

Apparently Samsung has a marriage with active glasses. I'm with you fellows on leaving active in the past. Passive 4k is a factor that will win many over to the Sony camp. Though I never experienced the flickering mentioned, just the thought of not having to deal with batteries and turning on the glasses on is a relief. There is a nature series on Netflix that is in 3D. I had to turn the glasses off and back on in between each episodes. When I first went to BB to check out the Sony UHD, I was really pleased with how bright and sharp the set was. It took all of a second to say "so long" active. Passive 4k is a winner on any front. You just put them on and watch, period. I'd really like to hear why Samsung stuck with active technology, crutches and all.
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


Has the Hobbit @ 48fps actually been released in some form for home use?  Wasn't it shown in some movie houses in this format?

Now that HDMI 2.0 is here I'm hoping that down the line they will release this on 4k BD @ 48fps. That is something to look forward to.
post #1779 of 7171
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


Has the Hobbit @ 48fps actually been released in some form for home use?  Wasn't it shown in some movie houses in this format?

Some theaters had the capability of playing it with the high frame rate. I saw it both ways and while it was jarring to see at 48fps(the movement seemed so much quicker) you could tell an immediate difference when watching at a normal frame rate, the motion blur really seemed to take away from the experience of my initial viewing at 48fps. As far as I know the blu-ray format will not support the 48fps frame rate and I'm not aware of any format it comes in that would. Perhaps a digital download in the future...
post #1780 of 7171
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Originally Posted by philcox1984 View Post

Well most well known online retailers will not ship internationally, and then there is the whole warranty issue, as Sony don't offer an international warranty from what I can work out.

I guess if I'm using a set top box for my cable, I don't need to worry about the different TV System in USA? HK uses China's DTMB, and I think this set is multisystem in terms of PAL/NTSC/SECAM? I have no idea
They will with a wire transfer smile.gif By the way Mack extended warranties are international.
post #1781 of 7171
Any update on when the firmware will be released for the HDMI 2.0? Panasonic is releasing their 4k set next month which has 2.0 and just curious if we will be getting the update around the same time.
post #1782 of 7171
Even if the update for HDMI 2.0 is released today, what would you use it for?
post #1783 of 7171
I am still stuck on which Sony to get....

x9 or x850...

Besides the Passive 3D and no speakers some have stated a different build quality and components, can any one elaborate on this and why one set would be better than the other?
post #1784 of 7171
I don't think anyone has claimed a different build quality. Based on past experience, I would expect a high build quality from a Sony product, especially an XBR. But since the new model has yet to be shipped or reviewed, we can only go by the specs on the Sony web site.
post #1785 of 7171
True,

I realize the panel might be produced by LG or another company which has me kinda worried about its quality over a sony panel, and the passive is another reason I would like to het the x9.

I have never experienced passive and I have always had active. Panasonic VT25/vt60/zt60 Samsung f8000. I have the Samsung f9000 4k set now and I am getting a full refund from Sammy because of issues and the active 3d on it was good but I can only watch it for one movie and then my head begins to hurt a little. I am wondering if this will happen with passive as well.

I really want to try the sony over any other brand but I am torn between the 9 and 850. I don't really like the speakers but if the passive is a big difference in 3d experience and the panel from sony is better quality, I would be able to over look the speakers.

hmmmm decisions, decisions.tongue.gif
post #1786 of 7171
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

I am still stuck on which Sony to get....

x9 or x850...

Besides the Passive 3D and no speakers some have stated a different build quality and components, can any one elaborate on this and why one set would be better than the other?

 

Who stated a different build quality?  I think I missed it.

 

Here's my take.  If I were making this decision, being able to lose those ugly speakers on the side would trump the loss of passive.  And I am such a fan of passive that it's the sole reason I didn't buy a Sony last year.  To clarify though: I would not be making this decision, because both TVs are out of the running entirely for me----no passive is a no-go (X850), and those attached speakers (X900) is a similar deal breaker.

post #1787 of 7171
To be clear, I believe the X900 panel has an LG panel, so forget that concern. Have you seen the X900? Did you like the passive 3D? It is really good.

So, why don't you simply wait until you can audition both sets and make an educated decision? It's not like the X900 is going away.
post #1788 of 7171
Sorry for the confusion, I should have stated build quality of panels. If the 850 uses a LG or SHARP or another 3rd party panel I have seen on other threads (samsung f8000 thread as i have a f8000 as well) people discussing the quality of lg, sharp and other panels compared to a Samsung and how the sharp panels seem to have more problems. That was my concern about another company's panel being used.
post #1789 of 7171
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

To be clear, I believe the X900 panel has an LG panel, so forget that concern. Have you seen the X900? Did you like the passive 3D? It is really good.

So, why don't you simply wait until you can audition both sets and make an educated decision? It's not like the X900 is going away.

Thank you for the clarification on the panel issue, I did not realize they used the LG on the 900. I also thought they would be quickly getting rid of the 900 once the 850 hit the market. I will have to wait and see them side by side if I can find a shop that carries both on the floor.

Thanks!
post #1790 of 7171
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

To be clear, I believe the X900 panel has an LG panel, so forget that concern. Have you seen the X900? Did you like the passive 3D? It is really good.

So, why don't you simply wait until you can audition both sets and make an educated decision? It's not like the X900 is going away.

Thank you for the clarification on the panel issue, I did not realize they used the LG on the 900

 

Last I checked, that was not clear.  AUO has the license to make panels using the FPR technology.  There seems to be a lot of conjecture about the Sony panels because until very recently, only LG was making the FPR panels (even for Panasonic).  And even that is conjecture.  Further, LG originally stated that FPR was only applicable for IPS displays.  That's no longer.  If anyone can find exactly who makes what, I'd surely appreciate it.

 

BTW: The high end LG panels are not guaranteed IPS either.  Only Panasonic guaranteed the IPS business.  It's all a disaster of confusion out there: don't base anything on "this panel maker is inferior" (or superior) should you hear it.

post #1791 of 7171
Just pulled the trigger on a 55 incher and am reading the owner's manual online just now. Noticed it said that to view 3D properly the viewer has to be at least 3 screen heights from the set . Right now our seating is about 6 feet or 2 screen heights from the set. I want to be closer in order to see the improved resolution of 4K. Am I going to have to start moving chairs around when going from 2D to 3D?eek.gif
post #1792 of 7171
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Originally Posted by brownriggd View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a 55 incher and am reading the owner's manual online just now. Noticed it said that to view 3D properly the viewer has to be at least 3 screen heights from the set . Right now our seating is about 6 feet or 2 screen heights from the set. I want to be closer in order to see the improved resolution of 4K. Am I going to have to start moving chairs around when going from 2D to 3D?eek.gif

 

The 2013 X9 seems to have a very tight passive 3D FOV.  We've discussed why this might be before.

 

They're probably worried about the top and bottom of the screen being optically at too steep an angle if you're too close.  This is not anywhere near a big an issue with their 2K sets.

 

All that said: You can't worry about something like that until you've set it up and checked it out.  Do that first.  I'm confident that you'll be happier than your worry seems to now indicate.  :)

 

FWIW, I was far closer than 3 PH to the X9 in BB/Mag and the 3D was flawless.

post #1793 of 7171
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

I am still stuck on which Sony to get....

x9 or x850... some have stated a different build quality and components, can any one elaborate on this and why one set would be better than the other?

I read a few weeks ago that there were some reduced features (and no ear speakers.) There was nothing stating a change in build quality.

Having said that, I am still a bit puzzled as to whether the 850 line was ever in their long range thinking, or was something "rushed through production" to counteract some of the negative comments about the X900's appearance. It reminds me of the way Honda, after getting a huge number of reviews condemning the Accord's redesign, hurried through a newer "refined" model.

btw- love the look and sound of my 900.
post #1794 of 7171
Side note:

Along the lines of an ad for Panamorph in this months S&V:

(standard) displays turn off an amazing 2,000,000 pixels to create black bars above and below movies

Any way to get a buyer's credit from Sony for all those pixels I don't get to use when watching a 4K or SEN movie?
post #1795 of 7171
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

To be clear, I believe the X900 panel has an LG panel, so forget that concern. Have you seen the X900? Did you like the passive 3D? It is really good.

So, why don't you simply wait until you can audition both sets and make an educated decision? It's not like the X900 is going away.

From everything I've read LG makes the panels for the Sony 4K 84" as well. Although we don't seem to have the banding issues that LG owners have on their 4K 84" sets.
post #1796 of 7171
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Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post

Even if the update for HDMI 2.0 is released today, what would you use it for?

I have a high end PC Gaming Rig that would use it plenty! RIght now, I can run everything at 4k resolution, but locked at 30fps until the 2.0 update is released.
post #1797 of 7171
I was not a big fan of the side speakers myself and I prefer a screen that looks more like a monitor with minimal frame around the set. But since I had issues with the ZT60 I had, my fiancée pretty much said "we bring down the 55" XBR929 from upstairs or we go for the Sony 4k". I decided to pull the trigger and get the current available 4k in the 65" Variety. Speakers have not been an issue and while ultimately I would prefer them not to be there, I have actually grown to like they way the set looks on my stand with my standing speakers next to them. The Passive 3D is pretty amazing on this set and as a gamer it is also very good. In the end, I am extremely happy with my purchase and do not regret it at all...speakers and all! lol!!!
post #1798 of 7171
Just a little response to the "ear speaker" disappointment: The TV looks beautiful as sculpture. It's like a slab of black gemstone. The speakers look like interesting carvings. The black surface reflects the room when it is off. Mine is near a window and the reflection is nature. Because of the nature of the light in my backyard... there is no reflection issue except for about 20 minutes in the morning. I don't need curtains or shades because of trees blocking light. So, I'm tell'n ya, to me it is a beautiful modern sculpture until I turn it on. It's kind of magic how reflections disappear. Note that in ads, the speakers are photographed to enhance the look. They are more subtle. I love their appearance and the sound is very very good... though I do have a fine sound system connected which I only use when I am viewing programs with music and/or desirable atmosphere. I am very slow to appreciate sound effects for ball games or "action movies." Big sound is too much quite often. The TV's speakers are very satisfying for more than half of my use.
post #1799 of 7171
I agree. The speakers don't bother me at all. However, I don't use them. My Harmony remote always turns on the full home theater system, and my programming source is always the DTV DVR through the AVR, even though I have an OTA antenna hookup on the Sony.
post #1800 of 7171
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon View Post

I have a high end PC Gaming Rig that would use it plenty! RIght now, I can run everything at 4k resolution, but locked at 30fps until the 2.0 update is released.

What video card do you have that already supports HDMI 2.0?
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