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post #2101 of 7439
for 90 bucks, lets hope so!!
post #2102 of 7439
At least when the TV arrives I don't have to worry if I have a HDMI cable that works lol.

I was messing around with my monitors just then and set them to 60hz just to see what gaming is like. Its not to bad at all. Then I tried Fifa 2014 at 30fps locked and it was a little hard to play. It was playable but a little annoying. I think I will be playing most games at 1080p and upscaling and for slower games like simcity etc I will switch to 4k and 30hz. And so its just a waiting game now for the hdmi 2.0 firmware.
post #2103 of 7439
Gaming Performance- Thanks to the Lads at avforums.com
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Sony-KD-65X9005A-X9-65-Inch-4K-Ultra-HD-LED-LCD-3D-TV-Review_581/Test_Results.html

39ms of input lag in GAME MODE.

Whilst the X9005 didn't quite hit the very low input lag measurements that we got on the W905, it did manage to get just below 40ms in Game mode, which is pretty good this year. It should certainly be low enough for all but the most hardcore of gamers. We found gaming on the X9005 to be very enjoyable, with the 4K panel and Reality Creation engine delivering the detailed environments of The Last of Us superbly well. However it was with 3D gaming where we had the most fun and found the passive 3D really brought out the best in games like Wipeout. If we sat close to the screen, the experience could be so immersive that at times we even got a sense of vertigo!
post #2104 of 7439
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Originally Posted by hatlesschimp View Post

I think I just purchased the 65". I applied for finance because I couldnt wait anymore for the paypal funds to clear. It should arrive friday with an outside chance monday. Hopefully its friday lol

Way to go!
post #2105 of 7439
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Guys 
I have some big news.
I drove from Fort Myers Florida to West Palm beach today especially to compare the LG'S with the Sonys.
In Ft Myers we do not have a store called BRANDS MART.

Brandsmart is a store that has just about every electronic component under the sun. I was truly impressed by the sheer size and layout of this super store. It makes BB look like a camping tent.

The only other electronics store that has impressed me is the Sega Mall, in Shenzhen China.

Today, I stayed in BrandM for 4 hours, and brought 3 identical thumb drives with me. All drives were loaded with same 1080p content from You Tube. Video clips like timescapes, Ink drops, Enigmatic chill out session, and some other music videos to test sound.
My wife who does not know too much about tv's was with me. Most of the time she was falling asleep.

First of all we started with the LG 65 Fald. I was expecting this TV to blow me out of the water. It did not. It's good...damned good..but not as good as the x9. The simulated 3d is not nearly as good as on the x9.
Colors were good, but the x9 has more depth to it. INTENSITY, describes the x9...the FALD was less intense.

Next we compared the X9 and the 850. Both were side by side with 2 inches separating both.
Both of these tv's as well as the FALD were on VIVID, all three were playing the same content.

You can immediately tell the 850 has a matte screen vs the x9, But you can also see that the "POP" is simply not there. The x9 depth and "LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOW" effect were simply not as present on the 850 as with the x9.

I asked my wife what she preferred, she immediately pointed to the x9. "Why?" I asked...She said "That one's image is just so deep and gorgeous..it's different to any other Tv I have seen, The other one (the 850) could be any other TV". We both agreed that the matte finish albeit more practical reflection-wise, was missing something we could clearly see; but is difficult to put into words.

Next we examined the LG 84. It's Impossible to compare the 84 to a 65 because of it's sheer size. The image is good, but not breathtaking, It's size makes the combination of PQ breathtaking though.
I have not see the Sony 84 because only the BrandsMart In Miami has it. I will definitely go this week.

There is no way that the LG 84" has a better PQ or "POP" than the x9...The quality of the LG Full Array Led is better than the 84", but not by miles. 
I prefer the 2d to 3d conversion by far on the Sony x9 to both the LG'S. 
Also the LG's only have one 2d to 3d option. The Sony has 3 depth choices LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH"

One thing that was hilarious, was when we stood in front of the 850 with passive glasses. I kept telling the salesman "Your set is defective" he was getting all wound up pressing different buttons on the remote, I could see him get really stressed out...finally i told him it was active...
I was pleasantly surprised by the active compared to some other active tv's I have seen, however there is no doubt in my mind that passive beats active hands down.

The moral of the story here, is that if there are any "early adopters" of the x9, you should not worry, because there is nothing out there to rival the x9 to date.

I was not going to pull any trigger today, because Brands Mart is two and a half hours from Fort Myers.
The sales person suddenly tells me : "You know there is no tax"!? "And we can offer free shipping"?

I pulled the trigger on the x9.
I also obtained a 3 year warranty for $149 , because the sales guy threw in a $300 gift card. In the end they had to charge a little for shipping because I did not want UPS. So they agreed to do white glove for $150.

Next ....imagine seeing and hearing every sound bar under the sun...From bose, to Polk, to Sony to Klipsh ...these guys had them all.
I must say was extremely impressed by the new sony sound bar (st7 I think). It really makes a huge difference.
The speakers on this TV are good..but the sound bar is really amazing.
I will definitely buy this later in the week.
 The only other missing link is the Oppo 103(D) which is also on the shopping list.

Hope this post can help the tortured individuals who still have to make a choice !!!

AND FINALLY ....REMEMBER..Go first class, and so will your children !!

You woke your wife up just for that! She sounds like a good trooper. My wife is like that and I tell you it is indeed a blessing.
post #2106 of 7439
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

for 90 bucks, lets hope so!!

 

I don't know if the Monsters are worth the price...to cover my ass, I ordered the original sony ones + the redmere's that Austin Jerry had recommended from Mono price.

I always need a plan B.

post #2107 of 7439

Guys

as much as I want to pull the trigger on an Oppo 103 ...I WILL NOT.

 

I DO NOT FEEL SAFE...I NEED TO FEEL SAFE.

 

There are too many negative reviews on Amazon 2 AND 3 STAR  that scare the crapolus out of me.

After all the sony upscales everything, and it's 2d to 3d conversion is amazing. I do not need Oppo to do that.

 

The sony has all the apps the Oppo does.

 

The only reason i would buy the Oppo is for blu ray visioning, and i'm sure there are other BR players that are just as good (Sony Pioneer).

 

There are people who have bought this oppo who are having night terrors, because of losing sound, firmware updates screwing everything up etc...

 

I'm too scared to get one

post #2108 of 7439
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

Guys

as much as I want to pull the trigger on an Oppo 103 ...I WILL NOT.

 

I DO NOT FEEL SAFE...I NEED TO FEEL SAFE.

 

There are too many negative reviews on Amazon 2 AND 3 STAR  that scare the crapolus out of me.

After all the sony upscales everything, and it's 2d to 3d conversion is amazing. I do not need Oppo to do that.

 

The sony has all the apps the Oppo does.

 

The only reason i would buy the Oppo is for blu ray visioning, and i'm sure there are other BR players that are just as good (Sony Pioneer).

 

There are people who have bought this oppo who are having night terrors, because of losing sound, firmware updates screwing everything up etc...

 

I'm too scared to get one

 

I have never had a moment's trouble with either of my Oppo players. But if your sole reason is Bluray picture quality, then don't waste your money. All even relatively cheap Bluray players will have the same PQ, so get a much cheaper one from a reputable manufacturer (Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony etc).  It's just 0s and 1s and all decent modern players can get every 0 and every 1 off the disc, perfectly.

post #2109 of 7439

Can anyone suggest a really good BR player for my x9 that could potentially replace the OPPO 103?

 

What about sony?

 

I feel the Oppo is gonna be a nightmare to set up...and I'm not the most patient of people.

 

I have been researching tv's for 6 weeks solid now, but unfortunately have not had the time to do the same for BR players.

post #2110 of 7439
I don't share your concerns about Oppo. Like Keith says, it is hard to find a better player in its price class. I have owned two Oppo's (BDP83 and 93, my current player), and neither has ever given me any trouble. For purely Blu-ray playback, any player will deliver an excellent picture. As for all the other bells and whistles, it depends on whether you need all these options or not. One interesting capability of the BDP103/105 is the ability to stream DSD music files. Otherwise, apps like Netflix and Pandora are in many devices, so who cares. And, as you have mentioned, 4K upscaling is not that important, since the X900 already does a fine job.

I did consider upgrading my BDP93, but decided that waiting for a model that incorporates HDMI 2.0 would be a wiser decision.
post #2111 of 7439
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Originally Posted by hatlesschimp View Post

From the 7th of July 2013
Damn they dropped hard!
On the street, you can take off about another $1000 as well......
post #2112 of 7439
Don't share your concerns about Oppo either. They get 5 stars in every category. They are build to last. Never had a problem setting it up.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/oppo-bdp-103-blu-ray-3d-player

The BDP-103 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content.

Makes a difference when upconverting DVD's I think
Edited by dreaux - 10/2/13 at 8:42am
post #2113 of 7439
They make so much on these cable sales. None of the monster products are worth the premium imo. I've seen no difference using cheaper cables from monoprice. Its a personal choice but imo not worth paying the monster name.
post #2114 of 7439

Guys

 questions

 

do you think the Oppo output to the Sony sound bar will give a better sound than the Sony's TV output to the sound bar?

 

Does the Oppo connect to my windows PC wirelessly? 

 

Has anyone compared the 2d to 3d conversion on the Oppo VS the Sony tv?

post #2115 of 7439
I have the OPPO 83 as well as the PS3. I really do not see any difference in video playback between the two players on my XBR65X900A.
I purchased the Sony XBR65X900A September 1, had the 4K Media Player installed a week ago and have used the Sony 4K Unlimited download service for a few days.

The Sony 4K TV scales so well, I think most any bluray player will do. I even spoke to Derek at OPPO Digital about getting the 105 and he said that the video performance will not be that much better over the 83. The audio performance will be much improved, of course.

Hope this helps.

(Finally threw out the Sony box this morning....everything works great!)




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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Can anyone suggest a really good BR player for my x9 that could potentially replace the OPPO 103?

What about sony?

I feel the Oppo is gonna be a nightmare to set up...and I'm not the most patient of people.

I have been researching tv's for 6 weeks solid now, but unfortunately have not had the time to do the same for BR players.
post #2116 of 7439
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I don't share your concerns about Oppo. Like Keith says, it is hard to find a better player in its price class. I have owned two Oppo's (BDP83 and 93, my current player), and neither has ever given me any trouble. For purely Blu-ray playback, any player will deliver an excellent picture. As for all the other bells and whistles, it depends on whether you need all these options or not. One interesting capability of the BDP103/105 is the ability to stream DSD music files. Otherwise, apps like Netflix and Pandora are in many devices, so who cares. And, as you have mentioned, 4K upscaling is not that important, since the X900 already does a fine job.

I did consider upgrading my BDP93, but decided that waiting for a model that incorporates HDMI 2.0 would be a wiser decision.

 

Agreed, Jerry. All I would add, although the OP did say he was solely concerned with PQ, is that there are other reasons than PQ to choose a BD player. Build quality, manufacturer support via FW updates, speed of disc loading, likely longevity, even appearance are all useful parameters for many (including also of course the features you mention) and the Oppos have them all in spades. But yeah, if it's just PQ, I'd buy whichever of the big makes is on the best offer at the time of purchase. I have a Panasonic BD player which I have had for years and it has never had a FW update but has also never refused to play any disc loaded into it. It's called something like the DMP-30 IIRC. The PQ from it is identical to my Oppo, but heck, the load times are sloooooow by comparison (a function of its age). I keep it because it has been hardware modified to play discs from any region and I have quite a few discs from other regions. It is a lovely player and its equivalent today can probably be picked up for about $100.

post #2117 of 7439
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

Can anyone suggest a really good BR player for my x9 that could potentially replace the OPPO 103?

 

What about sony?

 

I feel the Oppo is gonna be a nightmare to set up...and I'm not the most patient of people.

 

I have been researching tv's for 6 weeks solid now, but unfortunately have not had the time to do the same for BR players.

 

The Oppos are very easy to set up and most of the default values can be just left as they are. If you get stuck, there is considerably support for you here on AVS. 

 

Otherwise, any of the mainstream players will be good for you, if PQ is your main issue and not features. I have been very, very happy with my now ancient Panasonic player, still in use every week. I also have a Pioneer player that has never missed a beat and is still in use here. As you have a lovely Sony display, why not get a Sony player to go with it?

post #2118 of 7439

Ok OPPO it is then !!

 

I will comment on the following points when i receive it and set it up :

 

1. Who does a better job at up-scaling my Apple tv and comcast box? Sony tv or Oppo ? Or are they on par?

2. Sound wise, who outputs better sound to my Sony sound bar Oppo or Sony TV.

 

It will be fun writing about this...

post #2119 of 7439

The only missing link to all this are head phones.

 

I tried the Sony wireless headset coming from the x9 Tv...the sound was not at all loud enough. Not impressed.

 

The Oppo has no output for headphones, neither has my sony sound bar.

 

I bet you I will have to buy a receiver next, just to listen to head phones...I feel like a walking wallet

post #2120 of 7439
New Oppo player for sale sometime this month. Check it out.

http://oppodigital.azurewebsites.net/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103D-Overview.aspx
post #2121 of 7439
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

The only missing link to all this are head phones.

 

I tried the Sony wireless headset coming from the x9 Tv...the sound was not at all loud enough. Not impressed.

 

The Oppo has no output for headphones, neither has my sony sound bar.

 

I bet you I will have to buy a receiver next, just to listen to head phones...I feel like a walking wallet

 

Headphone amp?  A quick google seemed to show there are a few available that get good reviews and cost IRO of $100 or so...

 

EDIT: this looks really nice - $159 but I bet it's cheaper on the net someplace...

 

http://www.sumikoaudio.net/project/products/headbox2.htm

 

Loads here, from 30 bucks up:

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphone-amps/amplifiers.php


Edited by kbarnes701 - 10/2/13 at 10:26am
post #2122 of 7439
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Originally Posted by Ace of Space View Post

New Oppo player for sale sometime this month. Check it out.

http://oppodigital.azurewebsites.net/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103D-Overview.aspx

This is the same player with Darbee Vision technology included. For those of us who have the stand-alone Darblet, many swear by its ability to improve PQ. I reported earlier one draw-back of the Darblet--it doesn't pass a 4K video signal. This means that I must forego up-scaling to 4K up-stream of the Darblet and let the X900 do the up-converting.

I would expect that the Oppo with internal Darbee technology will be able to up-convert to 4K without the same issues.
post #2123 of 7439
Is the BDP-103D's 4K upscaling better than Sony XBR65X900A's in your experience?
Also, how do you connect the OPPO with the Sony to prevent additional 4K upscaling?

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

This is the same player with Darbee Vision technology included. For those of us who have the stand-alone Darblet, many swear by its ability to improve PQ. I reported earlier one draw-back of the Darblet--it doesn't pass a 4K video signal. This means that I must forego up-scaling to 4K up-stream of the Darblet and let the X900 do the up-converting.

I would expect that the Oppo with internal Darbee technology will be able to up-convert to 4K without the same issues.
post #2124 of 7439
I see the After Earth movie is available for purchase. However, the preview for the movie looked terrible. Definitely not 4k at all. Has anyone purchased the movie yet to see how it looks? I'll be damned if I spend $35 for the way that preview looked. I'd rather buy the blu ray...
post #2125 of 7439
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Originally Posted by tiger685287 View Post

Innolux is expected to have 70% market share of shipped 4K LCD panels in 2013. He is the only vendor who provides 58" panel size cut in 2 pieces of G5.5 glass process. He is not authorized to produce FPR panel shipped with his brand. So most panels from Innolux are non-FPR type. The main focus of his 4K product line is on 50", 55", 65" while 39" / 58" are also provided. A new size 39.5" cut by G6 process is also provided.


What is the source for this information, and for the chart?

Also, how well does upscaled SD content from both broadcast TV and DVD (576i PAL - I'm in the UK - as well as 480i NTSC) look on the 55" and 65" X9 / X900 screens?
post #2126 of 7439
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Originally Posted by starchild View Post

They make so much on these cable sales. None of the monster products are worth the premium imo. I've seen no difference using cheaper cables from monoprice. Its a personal choice but imo not worth paying the monster name.
I've been using monoprice for years, and you save about 90% over retail store prices, with identical quality; I bought ALL new cables for my entire system, including satalite, BR, and media player for THIRTY DOLLARS, and got 2 days shipping!!!

Also, to the person asking about Bluray players, I decided to go with the BDPS790 Sony, for a few reasons; great 3d PQ, and the fact that the TV remote should work with it..

TV should be delivered withing a couple hours now, super stoked!!!
post #2127 of 7439
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

I see the After Earth movie is available for purchase. However, the preview for the movie looked terrible. Definitely not 4k at all. Has anyone purchased the movie yet to see how it looks? I'll be damned if I spend $35 for the way that preview looked. I'd rather buy the blu ray...

Thats one of the worst movies in the history of film, so unless you get it for free, dont bother!!
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

Thats one of the worst movies in the history of film, so unless you get it for free, dont bother!!

Ha Ha! I was excited because the 4k demo in the store looked great. Just wanted some new eye candy for the tv...
post #2129 of 7439
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Originally Posted by William Chiu View Post

Is the BDP-103D's 4K upscaling better than Sony XBR65X900A's in your experience?
Also, how do you connect the OPPO with the Sony to prevent additional 4K upscaling?

Well, as I said earlier, I did not buy the BDP103, so I have no first-hand knowledge. However, as reported in several of the professional reviews of the X900, there should be no visible difference between where you do the up-scaling. If you purchase the 103 based solely on the expectation of better up-scaling, you will be disappointed.

A scaler looks at the signal and, if it is already 4K, it doesn't try and up-scale it a second time. Why would it do that?
post #2130 of 7439
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

Ha Ha! I was excited because the 4k demo in the store looked great. Just wanted some new eye candy for the tv...

Yeah, I was hoping the movie would be better, because visually its nice, but, with a horrible story line, written by Will Smith himself, I didnt expect much...
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