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post #301 of 7425
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New review (Euro version 65X9005) says PQ is "sublime": http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/sony-kd-65x9005a-1159879/review
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Hi Sammy,

What type of lines did you see when watching 3d film? if you don't mind me asking. Were there some horizontal lines lines all over the screen? I am asking you this because I saw many lines like a grid that were more noticeable when I got closer to the screen and they disappeared after I distance of 8 feet away. You could see them specially in some scenes when you have a larger white surface like in Toy Story 3 or for example The Avengers movie (scene 16 when you could see all superhero's faces or specially Captain America's shield).

Those horizontal lines were definitely more noticeable with the 55' tv only with the 3d content, even the salesman saw them at the Best Buy Store in the Washington DC area, and just to make sure that it wasn't just some defective TV I went to other two Best Buy stores and the Sony Store, and yes, those lines were there in al of them.

The explanation that I got from the Sony Store was that the number of pixels was cut in half, and that we weren't watching any 4k 3d content.

I would appreciate any feedback from you.

Thanks
Edited by DanielMD - 6/19/13 at 1:19pm
post #303 of 7425
I formated a flash drive with my mac in an ExFAT format. Then loaded many movie files, from mp4, mkv to avi. Files sizes to 5GB. An episode of Big Bang Theory off cable at 1080i, The Graduate at 1080p, Fast 5 at 1080p and Before Sunrise at 720p.

I took this to Best Buy Magnolia hours ago near Columbus Circle in NYC. They have not side by side, a Panasonic 65" Z series plasma as a 45 degrees next to it.

I played the crappiest files like Graduate and Before Sunrise (720p) and the Sony 65" 4K played it as well as my 46" Samsung 8000 at home. I was surprised the Sony filled in the pixels as well as it did.

Same files on the Z series was a tad smoother, but the settings on both sets were not optimal. The Sony settings were 'embargo' and not allowed to be tweaked and the Panasonic settings were all over the map as that set had been around for a while.

Ok, my final impression was that with slow to non-action scenes, the Z series was superior. The people looked like well taken photos. The Sony was close with 4x scaling of the crappy files. Just not as pristine.

Now, once we look at fast action like Fast 5, I saw a lot more artifacts on the Z Series than on the Sony 4K.

There were no PS3 or XBOX for me to compare.
post #304 of 7425
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Originally Posted by Sammy_R View Post

My Old TV Sony XBR8 55 died few days before the extended 4 year warranty expired. With the credit I got form Best Buy and my Own I bought the 65X900.

I wanted to wait for the Samsung 4K TV to check which one is better but Best Buy gave me credit only valid for one month and my wife told me to get what I want soon and not going to mount the TV on the wall by my self. So I decide to get X900 (All my life I had only Sony TV's) and got mounted on the wall by Geek Squad.

I can see little bit clouding on the edges and the Colors are better than XBR8 and the Samsung 46ES8000 I had temporary till I got this TV. I should say ES8000 had some clouding in the middle of the screen and I could see while I watch Direct TV (It went a way little by little when the TV got old).

Yesterday I downloaded some 4K Sony and KURO demonstration material form You Tube and I played through USB Video. With old Kuro material I saw Black level is quite good for a edge lit TV.

When watching Direct TV that there was blur with motion and I have to off Motion Flow setting to stop it.(Tried all the settings but didn't stop the blur). I can't see any Banding and screen uniformity is quite good. When I went to SONY store to get a demonstration I saw some black lines on the TV when I watch 3D film. But I didn't see this on my TV when watching 3D materiel.

Overall I should say I like the TV a lot.




Hi Sammy,

What type of lines did you see when watching 3d film? if you don't mind me asking. Were there some horizontal lines lines all over the screen? I am asking you this because I saw many lines like a grid that were more noticeable when I got closer to the screen and they disappeared after I distance of 8 feet away. You could see them specially in some scenes when you have a larger white surface like in Toy Story 3 or for example The Avengers movie (scene 16 when you could see all superhero's faces or specially Captain America's shield).

Those horizontal lines were definitely more noticeable with the 55' tv only with the 3d content, even the salesman saw them at the Best Buy Store in the Washington DC area, and just to make sure that it wasn't just some defective TV I went to other two Best Buy stores and the Sony Store, and yes, those lines were there in al of them.

The explanation that I got from the Sony Store was that the number of pixels was cut in half, and that we weren't watching any 4k 3d content.

I would appreciate any feedback from you.

Thanks
Edited by DanielMD - Today at 1:19 pm
post #305 of 7425
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Originally Posted by DanielMD View Post

Those horizontal lines were definitely more noticeable with the 55' tv only with the 3d content...The explanation that I got from the Sony Store was that the number of pixels was cut in half, and that we weren't watching any 4k 3d content.

Tested simulated 3D (1080i & 1080p), also side-by-side 3D (1080i). The lines are visible with or without 3D glasses, but also visible with glasses only (without 3D engaged). 4k is supposed to compensate for the halving of resolution.
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Tested simulated 3D (1080i & 1080p), also side-by-side 3D (1080i). The lines are visible with or without 3D glasses, but also visible with glasses only (without 3D engaged). 4k is supposed to compensate for the halving of resolution.

Thanks for the comment...

Do you think that when 4k 3d content is available those issues (horizontal lines) will disappear ? In that case we will see half of the 4k resolution which is basically 1080p and that is great for passive 3D.

I know that 3d is not a deal breaker for this tv's because 4K should be the main concern, but for that price I would like to watch some 3d content without seeing those annoying horizontal lines.
post #307 of 7425
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Well, no activity in the 84" "owner's" thread so I figured I'd quietly hide out here since most of this display's characteristics are the same, just bigger on the 84." Mine is ordered and should be here within the next week or so. Just wanted to say thanks to those posting in this thread as I visited it several times in my quest for more info about the Sony 4K's. In the end, after seeing the 84" on display, I decided it was the right size for my purpose. Thanks again for the posts.
Jim
Congrads, the 84" Sony is a expensive unit. Many are going with the LG it seems.
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The 84 just got delivered.smile.gif I'll set it up later today. Still shipping with the Dell 4K Server that will be exchanged for the new Server when it is released next month. The Experia Tablet is a nice touch as well.

The delivery Service was the best I've encountered in all my buying years, came with three guys, all using gloves that they actually changed to new gloves when the carried the display after breaking down the shipping box. I had them do everything except connections and powering on the unit, I'll do that later today, but it does look incredible.

So far so good!


Jim
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

The 84 just got delivered.smile.gif I'll set it up later today. Still shipping with the Dell 4K Server that will be exchanged for the new Server when it is released next month. The Experia Tablet is a nice touch as well.

The delivery Service was the best I've encountered in all my buying years, came with three guys, all using gloves that they actually changed to new gloves when the carried the display after breaking down the shipping box. I had them do everything except connections and powering on the unit, I'll do that later today, but it does look incredible.

So far so good!


Jim

Congrats, I'm sure it's a monster. Can't wait to hear your thoughts and impressions. Good luck!
post #310 of 7425
My theatre has a 12' screen, but this 84 is still impressive. Dwarfs the Kuro's I have in here!




Jim
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Well the first I learned is that the 4K Server that came with my TV needs to be "authenticated" online to match up with my 4K display. This means no "lending" this device to other Sony 4K owners (i.e. VW1000ES folks)...........bummer.




Jim
post #312 of 7425
Can anyone share the wall mount they are using for the Sony XBR65X900A?
Thanks.
post #313 of 7425
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

New review (Euro version 65X9005) says PQ is "sublime": http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/sony-kd-65x9005a-1159879/review

This is the best review I've seen yet. None of the early reviews have mentioned clouding, or banding. I hope that means that they didn't find any but then again they should have mentioned that they did not find any.
post #314 of 7425
That was a nice review, glad they agree with me. smile.gif

I got email notice today that the 3 4K mastered movies are on the way. I don't know how long this "limited time offer" is going to be in effect, but might as well take advantage while it's there.
post #315 of 7425
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The Techradar review is spot on about smoothness and clarity because even high-end 1080 sets look a little murky by comparison. Also the speakers do look and sound fantastic, lending the X9 an ultra-wide look and eliminating clutter.
post #316 of 7425
Hi guys. I'm new to the forum and this will be my first post. I was looking into purchasing the XBR-55X900A this weekend. Before I did that I just wanted to ask owners how good games looked/ran on it. Is there a way to keep the set from scaling the game to 4k? When it does the upscaling and the game is 60FPS does this cut the fps?
post #317 of 7425
With regards to the set's 3-D performance, I'm a bit confused by the conflicting reports. Tech Radar's review states it is stellar, looking much better than other passive sets. Yet owners and people seeing retail demos are reporting seeing interlace lines and the same old passive resolution. I have to say, when I watched the 3-D content on the demo at the Sony store, it didn't look any better than say, a 55" LG set that goes for $1000. Is the upscaling not kicking in for some reason? is the whole dream of 1080p 3-D in both eyes with these 4K sets with passive 3-D not reality? Anybody know?
post #318 of 7425
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Originally Posted by Haklong View Post

Hi guys. I'm new to the forum and this will be my first post. I was looking into purchasing the XBR-55X900A this weekend. Before I did that I just wanted to ask owners how good games looked/ran on it.

Games look fantastic. As for lag haven't seen any numbers yet.
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Originally Posted by Haklong View Post

Is there a way to keep the set from scaling the game to 4k

No. But there is a game mode and processing features can be turned off.

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Originally Posted by Haklong View Post

When it does the upscaling and the game is 60FPS does this cut the fps?

The specs state it will accept a 1080/60p signal.
post #319 of 7425
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

This is the best review I've seen yet. None of the early reviews have mentioned clouding, or banding. I hope that means that they didn't find any but then again they should have mentioned that they did not find any.

Nice review other than his exaggerated "Drop dead gorgeous design". Those speakers should have been detachable, becuase I could see them possibly being a destraction for some.
post #320 of 7425
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Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post

With regards to the set's 3-D performance, I'm a bit confused by the conflicting reports. Tech Radar's review states it is stellar, looking much better than other passive sets. Yet owners and people seeing retail demos are reporting seeing interlace lines and the same old passive resolution. I have to say, when I watched the 3-D content on the demo at the Sony store, it didn't look any better than say, a 55" LG set that goes for $1000. Is the upscaling not kicking in for some reason? is the whole dream of 1080p 3-D in both eyes with these 4K sets with passive 3-D not reality? Anybody know?

I've had the 65 for about a week now. The first thing I noticed was how impressive the 3d performance is on this set. Even the wife called it amazing and to her, everything looks the same. I haven't noticed any interlace lines. Hopefully it's not a production issue with some units. At this price point, it would be unacceptable
post #321 of 7425
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Originally Posted by norbert11 View Post

I've had the 65 for about a week now. The first thing I noticed was how impressive the 3d performance is on this set. Even the wife called it amazing and to her, everything looks the same. I haven't noticed any interlace lines. Hopefully it's not a production issue with some units. At this price point, it would be unacceptable

The best way to see it is to freeze large white letters on the screen then engage 3D. Someone mentioned the possibility it might only be on 55X9 models, which use an IGZO panel.
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

The best way to see it is to freeze large white letters on the screen then engage 3D. Someone mentioned the possibility it might only be on 55X9 models, which use an IGZO panel.
Interesting. I'll give it a try tomorrow. I've only watched 3d content under the applications and a basketball game on espn 3d. Haven't tried on a 2d source. What are others using for settings on video sources. By that I mean, are people turning off video processing on your AV receiver and Bluray players and letting the TV handle all video processing? Just curious because my preamp and Oppo player both can scale to 4k.
post #323 of 7425
I have had the 65” for a few weeks and have not seen the lines mentioned in viewing 3D. 3D being one of the reasons for my purchase, I could not be happier. The 3D is clearer then my active Samsung 63 inch tv and very little crosstalk. My eyes do not get tired watching this set. It is a true 1080p passive experience.
post #324 of 7425
I have now had my 55" for well over a month and it is still in the box. Like another member here, I got mine direct from sony as a part of a warranty exchange. The problem is I do not have use for a 55" tv at this point. I wanted the 65" but they would not budge since the tv it was replacing was a 60. I have tried to sell it here in the forums and locally on CL, just not getting any hits. I do not want to ship it, but Denver seems like a big enough market to support the sale of one of these at such a discount. The local mall just had a Sony store open, so I was wondering if I could work a swap for the 65" with them, but I would highly doubt it. Besides these forums and CL, anyone have any good ideas about where to sell one if these locally? I hate to see it sit there in the box.
post #325 of 7425
Unfortunately those horizontal lines are real, and they are there. Someone mentioned that if you pause when playing a movie, specially when you have a big object that has only one color, let's say something white, light brown or light blue you can't miss those horizontal lines, and once you see them you will find them anywhere like in scenes when you have a blu sky to mention a few.

It happened to me when I was ready to buy the xbr-55900A and I was watching Toy Story 3 ( in real 3d content....the salesman at Sony Store tried to play only the simulated 3d but I insisted in watching real 3d) and I started seeing those lines specially in all those character's faces like Mr. Potato, of course Woody, etc. Since we saw those lines, we tried a non animated movie to see if those artifacts were due to the animation. We watched The Avengers, and in most of the scenes, because it has a lot of action we could se them a little. but then we forwarded to scene # 16 and .....the lines were there again........try to see Captain America's shield when all the Avengers are together and pause it, you are definitely going to see those lines , it was just like watching throughout a window with blinds or as CNET and other sites described : like a GRID.

Because the guy from Sony and my self couldn't believe what was happening, he suggested to try the 65' tv, and in the big TV those lines were almost invisible, you could see them but if we were watching from a really close distance, like 3 or 4 feet away, of course you are not going to watch any movie from that distance. To be more precise I really couldn't see any lines from a 7 to 8 feet distance. At that point I was a little bit disappointed because I really wanted to like the 3D passive, I still think it's amazing but you have to considered the distance from where you will be watching the movies, which takes a way the fun of watching 3D. I know I am a big fan of 3D, I own a XBR-65 HX950 that uses active 3d glasses and I was thinking about getting the new sony x-9 to enjoy the new lighter and improved 3d passive glasses but due to that experience I thought I should do some more research.

For example those lines are always present if you you watch any 3d content in any LG passive 3d tv with a 1080p, other examples are the new 2013 Sony Tv's : 70" Class (69.5" diag) R550A Series LED Internet TV that uses passive 3d as well......but here we are trying to discuss if you could see those lines in a 4K tv or not.

I found one article from CNET that explains the reason why you see those horizontal artifacts when watching passive 3d but with 1080p, and the same article indicates that 4k should be able to reduce that effect, here is the link:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57437344-221/active-3d-vs-passive-3d-whats-better/

i still think that passive 3d is the next step in home 3D and I also think that 4K is a huge improvement in High definition, and maybe because Sony has just switched from active 3d to passive 3d it still needs some adjustments....I know that many owners haven't experienced this issues, but since there were some comments about this I just wanted to share the experience that I had with thet new 4K tv's.
Edited by DanielMD - 6/22/13 at 10:15am
post #326 of 7425
Unfortunately those horizontal lines are real, and they are there. Someone mentioned that if you pause when playing a movie, specially when you have a big object that has only one color, let's say something white or light brown or light blue you can't miss those horizontal lines, and once you see them you will find them anywhere like in scenes when you have a blu sky to mention a few.

It happened to me when I was ready to buy the xbr-55900A and I was watching Toy Story 3 ( in real 3d content....the salesman at Sony Store tried to play only the simulated 3d but I insisted in watching real 3d) and I started seeing those lines specially in all those character's faces like Mr. Potato, of course Woody, etc. Since we saw those lines, we tried a non animated movie to see if those artifacts were due to the animation. We watched The Avengers, and in most of the scenes, because it has a lot of action we could se them a little. but then we forwarded to scene # 16 and .....the lines were there again........try to see Captain America's shield when all the Avengers are together and pause it, you are definitely going to see those lines , it was just like watching thought a window with blinds or as CNET and other sites described them : like a GRID.

Because the guy from Sony and my self couldn't believe what was happening, then he suggested to try the 65' tv, and in the big TV those lines were almost invisible, you could see them but if we were watching from a really close distance, like 3 or 4 feet away, of course you are not going to watch any movie from that distance. To be more precisely I really couldn't see any lines from a 7 to 8 feet distance. At that point I was a little bit disappointed because I really wanted to like the 3D passive, I still think it's amazing but you have to considered the distance from where you will be watching the movies, which takes a way the fun of watching 3D. I know I am a big fan of 3D, I own a XBR-65 HX950 that uses active 3d glasses and I was thinking about getting the new sony x-9 to enjoy the new lighter and improved 3d passive glasses but due to that experience I thought I should do some more research.

For example those lines are always present if you you watch any 3d content in any LG tv with a 1080p, another ones are the other new 2013 Sony Tv's : 70" Class (69.5" diag) R550A Series LED Internet TV that uses passive 3d as well......but here we are trying to discuss if you could see those lines in a 4K or not.

I found one article from CNET that explains the reason why you see those horizontal artifacts when watching passive 3d but with 1080p, and the same article indicates that 4k should be able to reduce that effect, here is the link:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57437344-221/active-3d-vs-passive-3d-whats-better/

i still think that passive 3d is the next step in home 3D and I also think that 4K is a huge improvement in High definition, and maybe because Sony has just starting switching from active 3d to passive 3d it still needs some adjustments....I know that many owners haven't had experienced this issues, but since there were some comments about this issue I just wanted to share the experience that I had with the new 4K tv's.
Edited by DanielMD - 6/22/13 at 7:07am
post #327 of 7425
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

This is the best review I've seen yet. None of the early reviews have mentioned clouding, or banding. I hope that means that they didn't find any but then again they should have mentioned that they did not find any.

People on here have reported clouding.

Anyways, none of the sties that really review those aspects of a television have posted a review.

It is a lot better this year though. Both the X900A and W900A are showing much less than in the past.
post #328 of 7425
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crayneogeo View Post

I have now had my 55" for well over a month and it is still in the box. Like another member here, I got mine direct from sony as a part of a warranty exchange. The problem is I do not have use for a 55" tv at this point. I wanted the 65" but they would not budge since the tv it was replacing was a 60. I have tried to sell it here in the forums and locally on CL, just not getting any hits. I do not want to ship it, but Denver seems like a big enough market to support the sale of one of these at such a discount. The local mall just had a Sony store open, so I was wondering if I could work a swap for the 65" with them, but I would highly doubt it. Besides these forums and CL, anyone have any good ideas about where to sell one if these locally? I hate to see it sit there in the box.

The market is small and it has all the risks of "used" in the minds of buyers. If you reduce the price dramatically and offer shipping it might sell. Your time is short because new X9's will only get cheaper.
Edited by electrofascist - 6/22/13 at 8:15am
post #329 of 7425
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Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post

With regards to the set's 3-D performance, I'm a bit confused by the conflicting reports. Tech Radar's review states it is stellar, looking much better than other passive sets. Yet owners and people seeing retail demos are reporting seeing interlace lines and the same old passive resolution. I have to say, when I watched the 3-D content on the demo at the Sony store, it didn't look any better than say, a 55" LG set that goes for $1000. Is the upscaling not kicking in for some reason? is the whole dream of 1080p 3-D in both eyes with these 4K sets with passive 3-D not reality? Anybody know?


Unfortunately those horizontal lines are real, and they are there. Someone mentioned that if you pause when playing a movie, specially when you have a big object that has only one color, let's say something white or light brown or light blue you can't miss those horizontal lines, and once you see them you will find them anywhere like in scenes when you have a blu sky to mention a few.

It happened to me when I was ready to buy the xbr-55900A and I was watching Toy Story 3 ( in real 3d content....the salesman at Sony Store tried to play only the simulated 3d but I insisted in watching real 3d) and I started seeing those lines specially in all those character's faces like Mr. Potato, of course Woody, etc. Since we saw those lines, we tried a non animated movie to see if those artifacts were due to the animation. We watched The Avengers, and in most of the scenes, because it has a lot of action we could se them a little. but then we forwarded to scene # 16 and .....the lines were there again........try to see Captain America's shield when all the Avengers are together and pause it, you are definitely going to see those lines , it was just like watching thought a window with blinds or as CNET and other sites described them : like a GRID.

Because the guy from Sony and my self couldn't believe what was happening, then he suggested to try the 65' tv, and in the big TV those lines were almost invisible, you could see them but if we were watching from a really close distance, like 3 or 4 feet away, of course you are not going to watch any movie from that distance. To be more precisely I really couldn't see any lines from a 7 to 8 feet distance. At that point I was a little bit disappointed because I really wanted to like the 3D passive, I still think it's amazing but you have to considered the distance from where you will be watching the movies, which takes a way the fun of watching 3D. I know I am a big fan of 3D, I own a XBR-65 HX950 that uses active 3d glasses and I was thinking about getting the new sony x-9 to enjoy the new lighter and improved 3d passive glasses but due to that experience I thought I should do some more research.

For example those lines are always present if you you watch any 3d content in any LG tv with a 1080p, another ones are the other new 2013 Sony Tv's : 70" Class (69.5" diag) R550A Series LED Internet TV that uses passive 3d as well......but here we are trying to discuss if you could see those lines in a 4K or not.

I found one article from CNET that explains the reason why you see those horizontal artifacts when watching passive 3d but with 1080p, and the same article indicates that 4k should be able to reduce that effect, here is the link:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57437344-221/active-3d-vs-passive-3d-whats-better/

i still think that passive 3d is the next step in home 3D and I also think that 4K is a huge improvement in High definition, and maybe because Sony has just starting switching from active 3d to passive 3d it still needs some adjustments....I know that many owners haven't had experienced this issues, but since there were some comments about this issue I just wanted to share the experience that I had with the new 4K tv's.
post #330 of 7425
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Originally Posted by norbert11 View Post

Interesting. I'll give it a try tomorrow. I've only watched 3d content under the applications and a basketball game on espn 3d. Haven't tried on a 2d source. What are others using for settings on video sources. By that I mean, are people turning off video processing on your AV receiver and Bluray players and letting the TV handle all video processing? Just curious because my preamp and Oppo player both can scale to 4k.

Have you tried upscaling to 4K via the Oppo? If you have which is better the TV doing the scaling, the Oppo or no difference? I also have an Oppo that does 4K. Curious, would running a 3D movie on the Oppo set to 4K give you simulated 4K 3D without the horizontal scan line problem?
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