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post #3121 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

couldn't care less what consumer reports says about anything; I have my own mind and a brain to boot, so I will decide what I like and I don't like..
the 3d on this tv is the best I have ever seen, which is confirmed by almost everyone in this thread
enough said!
The only opinion that really matters, your own ! ( Maybe your better half too. smile.gif ) Good for you, some people out there have not figured this out yet. Some of these review places are biased as well........Not saying for sure, but I would not be shocked either.
post #3122 of 7316
+1000 on the "better half" comment!!

bottom line is that people who purchase products based on specs, instead of on real world performance and useage, don't really have a clue about how products actually work...

I have been installing, tweaking, troubleshooting, and advising folks for 25+ years on all things tech, and I learned early on that specifications are just a small part of the actual experience you will have when you properly use and install ANY electronic item....PC's with lower speed processors, often operate a lot faster than those with higher "specs"; some high end 720P TV's look better than some 1080p TV's, I used to get 53 mpg from my 2010 prius, even though it was rated at 40mpg, just by using it cautiously, and the list goes on and on, across all sorts of "devices"..

my only point is trust your eyes and your brain to tell you what looks,works, and feels best TO YOU, NOT some reviewers discussion on specs and other issues that won't tell you if YOU will really enjoy what ever it is you are thinking about purchasing...
post #3123 of 7316
Sorry for my 3D ignorance, but can someone point me to a description of what the terms "FPR" and "PR" mean? Thanks.
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Regarding the Nuvola player please read entry 3006 on this forum and be extremely cautious when considering such a purchase from this company.
post #3125 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Sorry for my 3D ignorance, but can someone point me to a description of what the terms "FPR" and "PR" mean? Thanks.

 

FPR = Film Patterned Retarder.  Basically how passive works.  Every other scanline is given a polarization to reach the left eye, with the others reaching the right eye.

 

PR = Patterned Retarder.  The precursor to FPR.  Basically a non-film version---it's cheaper to make this way.  I've read a couple conflicting reports of where the PR's actually were previously placed, so I'll not perpetuate further disinformation and try to play it safe.

 

Here's a good enough overview of 3D technologies.  Note: I can't find a single source which doesn't make mistakes about what's going on (seriously, try to find it, and don't say displaymate :-P), so this will have to do for now.

 

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/3d_technologies.htm

post #3126 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Sorry for my 3D ignorance, but can someone point me to a description of what the terms "FPR" and "PR" mean? Thanks.

It's the tech they use to polarise the picture for use with 3D.

Film-type Patterned Retarder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film-type_patterned_retarder
post #3127 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post
 
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Sorry for my 3D ignorance, but can someone point me to a description of what the terms "FPR" and "PR" mean? Thanks.

It's the tech they use to polarise the picture for use with 3D.

Film-type Patterned Retarder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film-type_patterned_retarder

 

Yeah, but I try my best to not quote wikipedia any longer.  Ever try reading through the cited "references" on various pages?  Some just don't say at all what they're purported to say.  People are dropping them in and no one questions them.

 

Wikipedia makes the same mistake that the propaganda sites make: "However, viewer's brain combines the images from both eyes into a single image, theoretically displaying it in the normal resolution."  <---Completely incorrect.
 

Pedantic OCD Terminology Hooey, Feel free to ignore (Click to show)

I find this mildly interesting, not that it matters: google search for the two variants using quotes:

"Film-type Patterned Retarder"

and

"Film Patterned Retarder"

 

You'll find about 2 1/2 times the hits on the latter.  But ignoring all the 3rd party sources, let's listen to LG:

 

LG calls it "Film Patterned Retarder" in their site here:

 

http://lgdnewsroom.com/companyinfo/product-information/tv/232

 

And then they call it the "-Type" version in a PDF that I can't grab the link to.

 

Eh.

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Hey, it's a start.
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Thank you, tgm and Geoff.  Now off to do some reading...

post #3130 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Hey, it's a start.

I agree.  Some of the disinformation came directly from LG too.  I remember the "you can watch 3D lying down" thing.  And the above "resolution is the same".  And there's also a thing about harmful rays from active glasses (older)---while I'm a passive fan, I can recognize made up @#$%.  Oh and "you can't tilt your head with active"<---while this does break the 3D information relative to angle away from upright, it doesn't do it any worse than passive does.  I'm sure I could find more.
Edited by tgm1024 - 10/27/13 at 5:58pm
post #3131 of 7316
Guys i have a ?... I have a slow isp DSL at 6 mbps download speed, will the X1 even work with the slow connection that i have, say if i rent a 4k movie how long would it take a week to download ? Does the 2 day rental start after its downloaded or as soon as you rent it? Im trying to descide if the X1 will even benefit me with my slow connection ? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks...

P.S.
I live in the country & DSL is the best i can get for my isp. Also i will be buying the X900 in the next few weeks & i need to know if i should get the X1 with it or not?
Thanks Again !!!
post #3132 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Jim1961 View Post

Guys i have a ?... I have a slow isp DSL at 6 mbps download speed, will the X1 even work with the slow connection that i have, say if i rent a 4k movie how long would it take a week to download ? Does the 2 day rental start after its downloaded or as soon as you rent it? Im trying to descide if the X1 will even benefit me with my slow connection ? Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks...

P.S.
I live in the country & DSL is the best i can get for my isp. Also i will be buying the X900 in the next few weeks & i need to know if i should get the X1 with it or not?
Thanks Again !!!

I cant answer as to whether it will work well or not at that speed, but I can answer how long it would take to download 50GB at 6mbps: just under 20 hours.
post #3133 of 7316
I wonder if the LG 55" has the same 540p restriction...apparently nobody owns that set though so we may have to wait.
post #3134 of 7316
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Originally Posted by kbrod1 View Post

Regarding the Nuvola player please read entry 3006 on this forum and be extremely cautious when considering such a purchase from this company.

Their first full blown win 7 player works really well, but it's $699.

I am sure this one will too.

I agree with you that David Foley has had some legal issues in the past, but that does not make the new nuvola player work any better or worse.

Anyway, I will be the first to own one. If it does not work to perfection, you will hear from me.

post #3135 of 7316
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post

I cant answer as to whether it will work well or not at that speed, but I can answer how long it would take to download 50GB at 6mbps: just under 20 hours.

Ok thanks, anyone know when you rent a 4k movie if the 2 days start as soon as you rent it or does the 2 days start after the download is complete? Thanks..
post #3136 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

On what should be a black screen, my X900 never achieves what I would call a "completely black" image.  As shown below, the screen continues to exhibit a dark gray.  Compared with my HX909 with FALD, which has 100% black screens, I have a little bit of concern.

I am pleased to report that with the latest settings, my X900 is now exhibiting a "completely black image" on screens which I expect to be black. The PQ is as good as, if not better, than I am getting on the HX909. My current settings can be found by clicking the link in my signature.

I have to say, the more I look at this set, the more I am impressed with the PQ. No buyers remorse here.
post #3137 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I am pleased to report that with the latest settings, my X900 is now exhibiting a "completely black image" on screens which I expect to be black. The PQ is as good as, if not better, than I am getting on the HX909. My current settings can be found by clicking the link in my signature.

I have to say, the more I look at this set, the more I am impressed with the PQ. No buyers remorse here.

Thanks very much for sharing, Great work. I'll try them out later.
post #3138 of 7316
Having just tried a couple of test patterns on the 65", I can confirm that it DOES pass the full 1080p resolution in 3D. (tested with the Luma Multiburst in Spears & Munsil v2 and the 1080 deinterlacing pattern in DVE)

To be honest, this explains a lot about the 55" and why it's got a highly visible (to me. anyway) line structure in normal use and noticeable jaggies in 3D mode. I still love my 55" to bits but Sony have been very, very naughty by not 'fessing up about the 540p 3D.
post #3139 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Having just tried a couple of test patterns on the 65", I can confirm that it DOES pass the full 1080p resolution in 3D. (tested with the Luma Multiburst in Spears & Munsil v2 and the 1080 deinterlacing pattern in DVE)

To be honest, this explains a lot about the 55" and why it's got a highly visible (to me. anyway) line structure in normal use and noticeable jaggies in 3D mode. I still love my 55" to bits but Sony have been very, very naughty by not 'fessing up about the 540p 3D.

Thanks for sharing this. Looks like the 65" is back on my radar in a 50/50 with the Panny. Thumbs up for you mate.
post #3140 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

I still love my 55" to bits but Sony have been very, very naughty by not 'fessing up about the 540p 3D.

 

Keep on loving that 55", because it's a truly great set, and don't even consider buyer's remorse for a second.

 

But yes, I'm really surprised that Sony attempted this with a flagship model (THAT EXPENSIVE) without telling anyone ahead of time.  That's a HUGE black eye for them that deserves to stay around quite a while.

 

Frankly, I have no idea what they were thinking, and it seems very un-Sony like somehow.

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Does anyone know for sure if the 55" truly passive 540, or is it 720?  It technically could be 720, which is 1/3rd of 2160, unless there's something in the vertical filtering they do that I'm unaware of.

post #3142 of 7316
has anyone asked sony directly, about both the 55 inch and the 65 inch, or are you just blindly believing a Consumer Reports article??
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Geoff referenced a test on the Spears&Munsil ver 2 Blu-ray.  Perhaps he can share with us the instructions on how to perform the test.  I'm going to try and figure it out later today, and I'll report my results.

post #3144 of 7316
Yes, I hope the rental starts when you first start viewing the video. Thus far I am buying rather than renting, so as put a nice selection of material on the player that is ready to roll. The rest of my Internet supplied video rentals wait until I start the viewing. Would the actual transmission to us cost them money... if we never start viewing? Right, we don't want to order on the hope that we'll be free to view within 2 days. That has to be part of the equation.
post #3145 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

has anyone asked sony directly, about both the 55 inch and the 65 inch, or are you just blindly believing a Consumer Reports article??

 

No one is blindly following anything.

 

Read back aways.  Someone spoke to a Sony engineer to get this information.  The CR article came afterwards.

post #3146 of 7316
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Originally Posted by bobnorth65 View Post

Yes, I hope the rental starts when you first start viewing the video. Thus far I am buying rather than renting, so as put a nice selection of material on the player that is ready to roll. The rest of my Internet supplied video rentals wait until I start the viewing. Would the actual transmission to us cost them money... if we never start viewing? Right, we don't want to order on the hope that we'll be free to view within 2 days. That has to be part of the equation.

I agree......
post #3147 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

has anyone asked sony directly, about both the 55 inch and the 65 inch, or are you just blindly believing a Consumer Reports article??

There's nothing 'blind' about it. You'll find no-one else who wants CR to be wrong more than me, but I've tested both sets myself and for all of my foul-mouthed skepticism in the CR review thread, it is TRUE.

In fact, the 540p 3D res on the 55" was referenced waaaay back in July in the review at Digital Versus, link is below but I'll quote the most pertinent part: "We could only test the KD-55X9005A's 3D using a 3D Blu-ray, which comes down to 1920 x 540-pixel resolution".

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sony-bravia-x9-kd-55x9005a-p15201/test.html#full-review

Also, if you look at their close-up photos of 3D screen resolution, you can see that, if anything, the 540p X9 actually seems worse than on a 'regular' 540p passive screen! Why? Because you're boiling down 2160 lines into 540 instead of 1080->540, so things like jaggies may actually seem more pronounced.

And yet, the TV still produces some of the best 3D I've ever seen. Ever. It's just a damned shame that Sony wasn't more up front about the 55" from the beginning.
post #3148 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Geoff referenced a test on the Spears&Munsil ver 2 Blu-ray.  Perhaps he can share with us the instructions on how to perform the test.  I'm going to try and figure it out later today, and I'll report my results.

It's very easy to check, Jerry. If you've got the latest S&M disc then set it to 3D mode in the disc menu and play the luma multiburst pattern, which has sets of lines at varying resolutions, up to 1080 vertical (bottom right corner of the pattern). The 65" displays the lines in the 1080 burst perfectly, whereas it's simply a greyed-out box on the 55".

I double-checked it with the 1080 deinterlacing test on Digital Video Essentials' HD Basics, forcing simulated 3D inside the BD player, and had similar results. The 65" displayed the two 1080 bursts perfectly, whereas on the 55" one burst turned black and the other white, which is an artefact actually mentioned on the DVE disc when it's not passing the full resolution.
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that being said, what is the actual 3d res on the 65 incher then?

thanks.
post #3150 of 7316
The 65" shows up the 1080 resolution in the patterns, and it's claimed to be Full HD 3D, i.e. 1080p, by Sony themselves, so I would hazard a guess at 1080p. biggrin.gif
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