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post #3481 of 7316
I had the 850 on order until I finally saw it in the store. I agree with all of your points regarding its construction.

I ultimately went with the 900 (even though I'm still not a fan of the speakers) because the picture looked better to me and I have a light controlled room.
post #3482 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Melancholy1980 View Post

2 months later and I still can't decide between the X900A and the X850A. 

Here's my two cents based on a few months with a 55" 900:

a) unless the 55" is exactly the right size for some reason; get the 65". I wish I did because on one hand you will see the difference on 3D and you will want the extra size while watching it, and on the other hand either size will totally take over your living room. And in the grand scheme of things the extra money isn't enough to sweat given you'll use this thing everyday for years; (or if it is, maybe you shouldn't be wasting money on a flat screen this expensive since it is in the final analysis just a TV showing beer commercials :-)

b) the picture is so good that when you are actually watching it, you will turn of the room lights, and you will add a bias light to get the blacks truly black, so ignore the reflections you see in a retail setting; they have nothing to do with what you will experience at home. That being said, I did move the light directly behind the couch :-)

c) the sound from the 900 is sooo good that by adding a $300 sub I got sound so good I moved the stereo into the man cave. I think you will want those dumbo ear speakers. They sound truly great. And yes I have a huge silly stero that I never used except to watch TV or play silly music for parties. If you want a TV in a sound room ignore me. But if you want to free up a huge amount of space and so on in the living room: get a 8" Episode sub and the dumbo eared 900.

--> get a 65" 900 but don''t expect me to help pay for it.
post #3483 of 7316
I think he mentioned his biggest downside initially (which is also mine too): the speakers. If you have limited space the speakers make the difference between getting a 55" X900 or a 65" set without built in speakers. The X900 seems like the better TV but the permanently attached speakers are a problem for many people. I would assume most people buying this set are home theater enthusiasts since they are early adopters, in which case you would already have a separate 5.1/7.1 speaker setup and have no need for this extra several inches of speakers on the TV, so it baffles me why Sony thought adding those (and making them non-removable) was a plus. They are also much better than your average builtin speakers, so they drive up the price unnecessarily too.
post #3484 of 7316
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

I think he mentioned his biggest downside initially (which is also mine too): the speakers. If you have limited space the speakers make the difference between getting a 55" X900 or a 65" set without built in speakers. The X900 seems like the better TV but the permanently attached speakers are a problem for many people. I would assume most people buying this set are home theater enthusiasts since they are early adopters, in which case you would already have a separate 5.1/7.1 speaker setup and have no need for this extra several inches of speakers on the TV, so it baffles me why Sony thought adding those (and making them non-removable) was a plus. They are also much better than your average builtin speakers, so they drive up the price unnecessarily too.

 

For, me, and I would assume (never a safe thing to do) many others - the speakers are what makes the X900 so desirable.

 

Not only does it add to the aesthetics/looks a lot - the sound quality is supposedly as equally appealing. 

 

Also, there is a "theory of thought" that a larger black boarder around a TV gives the appearance of a larger picture - and I agree.

 

I have a very expensive 7.1/7.2 set-up - but still love the look of the X900.

 

And there are times when you just want to watch TV and not have the sound going through the 7.1/7.2 set-up.

post #3485 of 7316
Heres a 12 minute 1.6gb trailer of harry potter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNp8WdQOoo
post #3486 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AVSFan2013 View Post
 

4k content on youtube -- do they 4K movies ? Probably not, right? I want to watch 4K movies, rather. Can you please tell me, how to check, if a PC is capable of 4K play. I mean, I bought my PC in 2010 and it has nice graphics card, but not sure, if it is capable of playing true 4K. Is there any check etc. I can do? 

 

I also checked about Nuvola NP1 -- Why you are saying it will be 4 weeks more ? I mean, the player seems to be available right now for ordering, per their website. Also, how different this Nuvola NP1 from Sony's X1 media player? I mean, I can see that, Nuvola could stream content in 4K, but where is the original content ? Youtube? Does Youtube have full movies, like Sony's X1 have? Seems, as of now, no one has 4K content. Netflix is planning but again, it would depend, if Sony would allow it on their 4K TV? Right now, Netflix is capable of streaming 3D, but Sony's 4K tv's netflix app is not capable of it. So, question still remain if this 4K tv's netflix app would allow 4K streaming from netflix, whenever it is available. To me, Sony's player sounds better than Nuvola, for someone who is just interested to watch movies. What are your thoughts on Nuvola? I have not personally talked to Nuvola guys for their specification / details etc.

There are many 4k clips on You tube. No movies yet.

Do you have HDMI out on your computer video card? 

 

The Nuvola player is uncertain when it will come out. The first one they made works fine, but it's $700.

There is no point spending $700 to watch a few 4k clips.

post #3487 of 7316

Guys

 

A BIG QUESTION

 

When i watch some of the Comcast channels, the top of the tv has a luminous flickering line of light.

At the top of the Tv there is a black bezel. I can see the flickering line of light after the bezel has started. About 1.5" into the bezel.

Not all channels, only some of them.

 

Any ideas?

post #3488 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

 

For, me, and I would assume (never a safe thing to do) many others - the speakers are what makes the X900 so desirable.

 

Not only does it add to the aesthetics/looks a lot - the sound quality is supposedly as equally appealing. 

 

Also, there is a "theory of thought" that a larger black boarder around a TV gives the appearance of a larger picture - and I agree.

 

I have a very expensive 7.1/7.2 set-up - but still love the look of the X900.

 

And there are times when you just want to watch TV and not have the sound going through the 7.1/7.2 set-up.

The large black bezel creates a UNIQUE look in 3d and simulated 3d.

It is like watching through a window.

No other Tv I have seen does this..

 

It's as if the picture starts behind/into the tv after the bezel...TRY SIMULATED 3D , and you will understand what I mean.

post #3489 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Guys

A BIG QUESTION

When i watch some of the Comcast channels, the top of the tv has a luminous flickering line of light.
At the top of the Tv there is a black bezel. I can see the flickering line of light after the bezel has started. About 1.5" into the bezel.
Not all channels, only some of them.

Any ideas?

If you check, you are likely watching a channel in SD. It is not uncommon to see a line at the top of the screen with flickering information-it happens on my HX909 display as well. The solution is simple--don't watch SD channels. Does this help?
post #3490 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Melancholy1980 View Post
 

2 months later and I still can't decide between the X900A and the X850A.  I've seen both of them in a store and tested them several times.  If the X850A was the same TV as the X900A and had no speakers, it would be an easy decision.  But since that does not exist, I struggle.

 

When I look up close at the X850A I can't help but feel that it is cheaply made.  The border casing is plasticy and just doesn't look as refined as the X900A.  For such a high price television you get a vibe that it should be manufactured better.  The model I viewed also had a dead pixel on the display, which was of concern.

 

The X900A has pretty high reflection rates...the lighting in the store really impacted the experience tremendously.  I played video games on both models and honestly noticed zero difference in lag time.  I did notice the 3D was better on the X900A but only because I didn't have that annoying flickering going on in the corner of my eyes.  It also seemed a bit brighter.  The color also looked better on the X900A where the X850A seemed washed out and the backlighting was dimmer for some reason.  Could be a calibration issue, not sure.

 

I've been following this thread for a while trying to make up my mind.  Some questions for the group:

 

- Did anyone here consider the 850 before the 900, and what were the main reasons for going one way or another?

- Are there any benefits input wise to the 850?  I was led to believe the 850 would have multiple HDMI 2.0 ports installed where the 950 would only have 1.  Not an issue if you have a receiver processing everything, but I haven't upgraded my receiver yet to 4K standards.

- Is it reasonable to expect another price drop on Black Friday or around Xmas? The W9 series is nearly the same television without the 4K resolution and is tremendously cheaper, no?  I need a new TV but feel if I go W9 I will regret not being future proof.  Trying to justify the cost, though...hoping the 65" gets under $4000- $4500 before end of 2013.

-Any other last pieces of advice when trying to make this decision?  i realize early adoption comes with it's risks and costs....you are talking to someone who bought the first Sony SXRD Projection TV for $5500 when 1080p just launched (and oh, what a nightmare that model was for Sony)....but this time I am trying to be a bit more thorough about the decision.

 

Appreciate the help from this expert group of contributors!

We all have the 900, (keep in mind that the voice of the people is the voice of God!)

 I know a few people who bought the 850, then exchanged it for the 900.

Your observations are correct. These two tv's could not be more different.

 

If you took the Sony branding off of these sets, and showed these tv's to 1000 (semi-ignorant) people on the street, I bet 99% would say they are two completely different brands.

Experts say that the 850 picture is purer. I totally prefer the deep PQ of the 900.

The reflective panel on the 900 is awesome. It is not reflective enough to disturb, and it gives this tv a Huge intensity of WOW!

The 3d and especially SIMULATED 3D on this set are the best. Nothing comes close.

In fact, it is a crime to watch anything in 2d. Simulated 3d should be turned on at all times.

 

I also had that $5'500 Sony rear projection Tv years ago in 2003. 

I bought it without knowing a damned thing about tv's.. and I still don't.

But I know when a PQ is amazing.

post #3491 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


If you check, you are likely watching a channel in SD. It is not uncommon to see a line at the top of the screen with flickering information-it happens on my HX909 display as well. The solution is simple--don't watch SD channels. Does this help?

Ah!!

Thank you Sir !!

I shall tell the wife to stop watching SD.

I need to print a list of her favorite channels in HD-channel numbers, so that she remembers them, and never reverts to SD.

post #3492 of 7316
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I also checked about Nuvola NP1 -- Why you are saying it will be 4 weeks more ? I mean, the player seems to be available right now for ordering, per their website. Also, how different this Nuvola NP1 from Sony's X1 media player? I mean, I can see that, Nuvola could stream content in 4K, but where is the original content ? Youtube? Does Youtube have full movies, like Sony's X1 have? Seems, as of now, no one has 4K content. Netflix is planning but again, it would depend, if Sony would allow it on their 4K TV? Right now, Netflix is capable of streaming 3D, but Sony's 4K tv's netflix app is not capable of it. So, question still remain if this 4K tv's netflix app would allow 4K streaming from netflix, whenever it is available. To me, Sony's player sounds better than Nuvola, for someone who is just interested to watch movies. What are your thoughts on Nuvola? I have not personally talked to Nuvola guys for their specification / details etc.

The existing Nuvola player is a windows 7 computer with a graphic card capable of outputting 4k.

It has windows 7 OS.

A hard drive to store content.

 

But there is little content.

 

You tube has about 150 4k clips,, some music, mostly landscapes and time-lapse videos.

More and more are added each day.

 

BEWARE...some of the clips say they are 4k, but they are 1080.

You need a free program called 4k video downloader to get these clips from you tube.

http://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader 

post #3493 of 7316

Anyone know if Best Buy, ABT, or any other authorized Sony dealers will price-match East Coast TV's prices on these?

 

East Coast has the 55" for $2900 and the 65" for $3900.

 

These are ridiculously good prices...


Edited by HDTVAV - 11/12/13 at 7:48pm
post #3494 of 7316
Not a chance.
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

Anyone know if Best Buy, ABT, or any other authorized Sony dealers will price-match East Coast TV's prices on these?

East Coast has the 55" for $2900 and the 65" for $3900.

These are ridiculously good prices...
post #3495 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

We all have the 900, (keep in mind that the voice of the people is the voice of God!)
 I know a few people who bought the 850, then exchanged it for the 900.
Your observations are correct. These two tv's could not be more different.

If you took the Sony branding off of these sets, and showed these tv's to 1000 (semi-ignorant) people on the street, I bet 99% would say they are two completely different brands.
Experts say that the 850 picture is purer. I totally prefer the deep PQ of the 900.
The reflective panel on the 900 is awesome. It is not reflective enough to disturb, and it gives this tv a Huge intensity of WOW!
The 3d and especially SIMULATED 3D on this set are the best. Nothing comes close.
In fact, it is a crime to watch anything in 2d. Simulated 3d should be turned on at all times.


I also had that $5'500 Sony rear projection Tv years ago in 2003. 
I bought it without knowing a damned thing about tv's.. and I still don't.
But I know when a PQ is amazing.

I totally agree with you!
post #3496 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

Anyone know if Best Buy, ABT, or any other authorized Sony dealers will price-match East Coast TV's prices on these?

 

East Coast has the 55" for $2900 and the 65" for $3900.

 

These are ridiculously good prices...


I don't think they will go that low but they will drop somewhat in price. My wife and I got a really good deal (paid $4,100 before tax) at best buy for the 65" 850 because of price matching. Long story short we bought a 4k tv at best buy at retail value. Went to Fry's and they offered us a better deal so we bought one from them as well. Went to return the best buy tv and best buy not only matched Fry's price they dropped a few hundred dollars off. Fry's was unable to match Best buy at that price so we returned the tv from Fry's and kept Best Buys.

post #3497 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Melancholy1980 View Post
 

 

- Are there any benefits input wise to the 850?  I was led to believe the 850 would have multiple HDMI 2.0 ports installed where the 950 would only have 1.  Not an issue if you have a receiver processing everything, but I haven't upgraded my receiver yet to 4K standards.

uhmm.. I'm pretty sure that on the X900 all the HDMI ports will be upgraded to 2.0.. 

post #3498 of 7316
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

I would assume most people buying this set are home theater enthusiasts since they are early adopters, in which case you would already have a separate 5.1/7.1 speaker setup and have no need for this extra several inches of speakers on the TV, so it baffles me why Sony thought adding those (and making them non-removable) was a plus. They are also much better than your average builtin speakers, so they drive up the price unnecessarily too.

Had the set on the first day, X1 as soon as they were ready to go.

Love the set, love the speakers.

PS: comments I get when people see it (first when off) is very complimentary. Then I hit the power button and the set speaks for itself.
post #3499 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Guys

A BIG QUESTION

When i watch some of the Comcast channels, the top of the tv has a luminous flickering line of light.
At the top of the Tv there is a black bezel. I can see the flickering line of light after the bezel has started. About 1.5" into the bezel.
Not all channels, only some of them.

There is also a thin sync bar at the top of almost every signal. It can be removed by slightly expanding the picture on the set using:

- Picture and Display, then
- Screen position and/or
- Vertical size.
post #3500 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tmac7balla View Post


I don't think they will go that low but they will drop somewhat in price. My wife and I got a really good deal (paid $4,100 before tax) at best buy for the 65" 850 because of price matching. Long story short we bought a 4k tv at best buy at retail value. Went to Fry's and they offered us a better deal so we bought one from them as well. Went to return the best buy tv and best buy not only matched Fry's price they dropped a few hundred dollars off. Fry's was unable to match Best buy at that price so we returned the tv from Fry's and kept Best Buys.

...whole lot of box movement.
post #3501 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

Anyone know if Best Buy, ABT, or any other authorized Sony dealers will price-match East Coast TV's prices on these?

 

East Coast has the 55" for $2900 and the 65" for $3900.

 

These are ridiculously good prices...

Careful on this one.

You cannot return it. Also, using a freight forwarder across the country may be dangerous. (you may end up with two televisions!)

 

"Cleveland plasma" is a sponsor in this forum, and he has really good prices too. Check them out.

 

I think most of us, were so paranoid about this purchase, that we ended up buying from local stores and paying  a tad more.

post #3502 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post

Careful on this one.
You cannot return it. Also, using a freight forwarder across the country may be dangerous. (you may end up with two televisions!)

"Cleveland plasma" is a sponsor in this forum, and he has really good prices too. Check them out.

I think most of us, were so paranoid about this purchase, that we ended up buying from local stores and paying  a tad more.

Cleveland Plasma's return policy is pretty stringent too:

"Returns:

If an item arrives with noticeable external damage, please refuse the shipment and contact us immediately. INTERNAL INSPECTION MUST BE DONE WHILE DRIVER IS PRESENT. THERE IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS INTERNAL INSPECTION PROCEDURE. We do come across defective items from time to time. All defective items will be handled through the manufacturer. We will work with our clients and manufacturers to insure the item will be working properly in a timely fashion. Non-defective returns are excepted, however there is a 25% restocking fee. Non-defective returns can not be excepted after 15 days from date of purchace. Special order items can not be returned. Everything must be returned in the original packaging or a return can not be processed."


CP people, please note, there is a difference between "accepted" and "excepted."

Bottom line (I'm assuming) with CP is if the box is damaged, refuse it. If the set doesn't work, contact the manufacturer. That isn't the most satisfying sounding guarantee.

They're not an authorized Sony retailer for online or walk-in sales, if that matters to a buyer.
Edited by LeeSoFl - 11/13/13 at 5:49am
post #3503 of 7316
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post


...whole lot of box movement.

Haha I know tell me about it. Even though we were saving money my wife and I were starting to get fed up. We had our TV wall mounted and she only weighs 105 lbs so you can see how this could be a problem...

post #3504 of 7316
So excited. Just got my gaming rig and am finally playing games in 4k. And what a beauty!!! Battlefield 4 looks in credible. Now this is my first gaming PC and so I didn't get the best graphics card available, but I'm just a casual gamer and wanted something else to do beside watch the 4k content on the Sony server. Here are pics. I took them with a Galaxy S4, so they really don't do what I'm seeing in real life justice. I got Dirt 3 and Crysis 3 on the way. Can't wait to see how they look!



post #3505 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

So excited. Just got my gaming rig and am finally playing games in 4k. And what a beauty!!! Battlefield 4 looks in credible. Now this is my first gaming PC and so I didn't get the best graphics card available, but I'm just a casual gamer and wanted something else to do beside watch the 4k content on the Sony server. Here are pics. I took them with a Galaxy S4, so they really don't do what I'm seeing in real life justice. I got Dirt 3 and Crysis 3 on the way. Can't wait to see how they look!

Those are some impressing looking shots!
post #3506 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

Anyone know if Best Buy, ABT, or any other authorized Sony dealers will price-match East Coast TV's prices on these?

 

East Coast has the 55" for $2900 and the 65" for $3900.

 

These are ridiculously good prices...

BB would not match their pricing, but you could talk to local BB Manager personally, they may.

 

I can share my experience with one of these online vendors -- I bought my 65 X900A from AlltimeTVs.com. They have BBB profile too. I got it @ 4145 (now they have it for 4045) + 6% (all online vendor adds this, as shipping and handling, no mater what) + 130 for white glove delivery (optional). Per their policy, if you see any physical damage to the TV while delivery, you have to reject the shipment and not sign on delivery form, so they could send you replacement and then charge to shipping company for their loss. But, if you accept the delivery and sign the delivery, then from there on it is all yours. Yes, you could technically return it but then there is 15% restocking charge, which doesn't make sense, so you need to be 100% sure before buying. After delivery, any issue related to TV defect, you deal with Sony under manufacturer's warranty. So far, for me, (it has been about 2 weeks) no issue with TV defect. You can separately purchase good warranty. Sony sells their own -- 5 years from date of purchase for $399. But there are many with variation so shop around. PM me if any question. 

 

What I have found with these online retailers is that, they sell other accessories along with TV (I mean, market to you) and most likely make good money from it, or may be my experience.

post #3507 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

There are many 4k clips on You tube. No movies yet.

Do you have HDMI out on your computer video card? 

 

The Nuvola player is uncertain when it will come out. The first one they made works fine, but it's $700.

There is no point spending $700 to watch a few 4k clips.

Yes, my laptop has only HDMI output for projector / video output.

post #3508 of 7316
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Originally Posted by quovadis123 View Post
 

The existing Nuvola player is a windows 7 computer with a graphic card capable of outputting 4k.

It has windows 7 OS.

A hard drive to store content.

 

But there is little content.

 

You tube has about 150 4k clips,, some music, mostly landscapes and time-lapse videos.

More and more are added each day.

 

BEWARE...some of the clips say they are 4k, but they are 1080.

You need a free program called 4k video downloader to get these clips from you tube.

http://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader 

If no movies and only clips, that's fine, but I was looking for movies, and from you mentioned, seems, so far, Sony only seems to have 4K movies .. Even Nupola has little content on movies. That will be a big consideration for me and many, I guess. Nupola's site is claiming to have many 4K movies, but they have not released much info, plus they seem to lean towards, Seiki 4K model so not exactly sure, what their outcome will be. Their $300 model do sound good, but as you mentioned, correct, they have not released any release date for it, not expected content (movies) etc on it.

post #3509 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

So excited. Just got my gaming rig and am finally playing games in 4k. And what a beauty!!! Battlefield 4 looks in credible. Now this is my first gaming PC and so I didn't get the best graphics card available, but I'm just a casual gamer and wanted something else to do beside watch the 4k content on the Sony server. Here are pics. I took them with a Galaxy S4, so they really don't do what I'm seeing in real life justice. I got Dirt 3 and Crysis 3 on the way. Can't wait to see how they look!



Thank you for sharing and Congrats! I use mine for gaming as well. Can't wait until sony updates the firmware to support HDMI 2.0 to allow higher FPS

If you want better photos download the free program called "Fraps" it will allow you to take in game screen shots and recordings as well. Very useful tool. Also a quick tip, under the picture settings if you increase the resolution all the way to max it will really make the game pop also with no noticeable lag as well. I only recommend this with PC gaming because with console gaming I found increasing the resolution just magnifies the blocky console graphics. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

post #3510 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AVSFan2013 View Post
 

If no movies and only clips, that's fine, but I was looking for movies, and from you mentioned, seems, so far, Sony only seems to have 4K movies .. Even Nupola has little content on movies. That will be a big consideration for me and many, I guess. Nupola's site is claiming to have many 4K movies, but they have not released much info, plus they seem to lean towards, Seiki 4K model so not exactly sure, what their outcome will be. Their $300 model do sound good, but as you mentioned, correct, they have not released any release date for it, not expected content (movies) etc on it.

You are getting confused.

 

1. There are no 4k movies. Some movies are mastered in 4k..This is a Blu ray at 1080, but with better quality. So they call it mastered in 4k. It's like saying 720p mastered in 1080p.

Bit of a con if you ask me.

 

2. There are only a few mastered in 4k movies...The not so amazing Spiderman, and 2 others I think.

 

3. A laptop will not be able to play native 4k content unless you have a super high end laptop for gaming (Alienware etc).

 

4. The nuvola player is a means to play 4k content. It does not have any 4k content to play. 

 

When you get the nuvola player you will be able to play any existing You tube videos that are offered in 4k, to your tv directly from the Nuvola's You tube app.

At the moment, you cannot play 4k content from the Sony's You tube app. You COULD place a native 4k content clip on a thumb drive, but the TV will not accept it.

 

The Sony tv ONLY accepts windows media player TO STREAM videos or movies from your computer to the tv. HOWEVER, windows media player ONLY accepts max 1080. If you try to place a native 4k file into Win media player, it will reject it.

 

Are there other players or software out there capable of streaming 4k content? Yes there are, HOWEVER, they are not compatible with the Sony tv.

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