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post #3751 of 7185
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

Actually motion flow is the soap opera culprit all by itself. Off. I actually find Smooth Gradation useful especially for animation, where banding skies occur. I wish I understood more what cinemotion does, exactly.

I do NOT know what it does, but I will speculate that it is related to films (on film) that where converted to video in the past using what is called "3:2" pull down which mechanically moved the film in a way that matched the 24 frame per second film speed to 60 interlaced fields which is 30 fps of video, producing a subtle video error called "judder". Wikipedia goes into this at length and does a decent job; look for 3:2 pulldown

So I'll guess the cinemotion tries to back out the judder while also fixing the motion artifacts that are related to interlaced video. 30 years agos Sony and Ampex had competing methods for all this and Sony won, but maybe cinemotion is an 'Ampex corrector". Or maybe it deals with both as neither was perfect in all cases.

In short, probably not a factor for any movie shot in the last 10 years (they shot it on video to begin with) or converted to HD ever (probably converted to 1080p master and then corrupted to 720p or 1080i by the network).

If you watch old movies in SD, it might do something useful, but nothing is going to make that happen on my shinny new 4k... :-)

I guess!
Edited by jjnbos - 11/22/13 at 5:26am
post #3752 of 7185
After having looking at Wikipedia a bit more ("motion interpolation" I --THINK--

"motion flow" is really trying to correct for the effect of fast moving objects recorded on video, interlaced video in particular (i.e. football on 1080i) and

"cinemotion" is trying to correct for artifacts related to converting film to video, and video shot in 60i way, way back, and so on.

In other words I think "soap opera effect " is more related to "cine motion" than "motion flow", but motion flow would be more likely to make you sea sick!

At least that would make the names meaningful, and the problems are conceptually unique. But what do I know?
post #3753 of 7185

Hey guys I picked up my Xbox one last night! I was to tired to hook it up lol. I will post back on the experience of the system with the 65XBR850.

post #3754 of 7185
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Originally Posted by tmac7balla View Post
 

Hey guys I picked up my Xbox one last night! I was to tired to hook it up lol. I will post back on the experience of the system with the 65XBR850.

me too! I will try it in the evening (your afternoon) and I will let you know my impressions!

obviously, one of the first test that I want to do is to try to put a 4K content in the console and see if the Xbox One is able to play it..

post #3755 of 7185
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Originally Posted by mitico303 View Post

me too! I will try it in the evening (your afternoon) and I will let you know my impressions!
obviously, one of the first test that I want to do is to try to put a 4K content in the console and see if the Xbox One is able to play it..
let us know how it works...xbox one can be my solution because the x1 player doesn't work in my country!!!
post #3756 of 7185
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Originally Posted by Podolski View Post


let us know how it works...xbox one can be my solution because the x1 player doesn't work in my country!!!

yes, sure! X1 isn't available in Italy too..

post #3757 of 7185
According to support documents posted on the Xbox website:
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Note The Xbox One console supports screen resolutions of 720p and 1080p.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/system/improve-video-quality

Someone on Twitter posted that they were unable to get the Xbox One to output an Ultra HD resolution:
https://twitter.com/techAU/status/403789245950599168
post #3758 of 7185
I can pretty much guarantee PS4 will roll out 4k support eventually. For media/gui not games (although I guess they could be upscaled) Sony is a big supporter. (Of 3d, also)
post #3759 of 7185
Regarding X1, Sony Community Board Moderator ToddT wrote

"Additional features loaded with the latest update includes the capability to connect an external HDD to the USB port on the back of the unit AND the accessibility to the 4K App when using a Sony S or Z tablet.

Note that the external HDD will be formatted and you will lose any data on the drive. Also, the FMP-X1 will show the drives on your menu so you can switch between internal/external storage and move contents out of the unit to the external HDD and vice versa. This is still restricted to 4K content from the store."
post #3760 of 7185
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Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post

According to support documents posted on the Xbox website:
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/system/improve-video-quality

Someone on Twitter posted that they were unable to get the Xbox One to output an Ultra HD resolution:
https://twitter.com/techAU/status/403789245950599168

yes, I noticed that. but why?

Microsoft was clear: 4K support for media and games..

we'll see..

 

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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

I can pretty much guarantee PS4 will roll out 4k support eventually. For media/gui not games (although I guess they could be upscaled) Sony is a big supporter. (Of 3d, also)

PS4 support 4K eventually only for games. no 4K support for media contents..

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I'm really liking my Xbox One on the X9. Very smooth in Gaming mode. I'm still messing with all the features.
post #3763 of 7185
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

Regarding X1, Sony Community Board Moderator ToddT wrote

"Additional features loaded with the latest update includes the capability to connect an external HDD to the USB port on the back of the unit AND the accessibility to the 4K App when using a Sony S or Z tablet.

Note that the external HDD will be formatted and you will lose any data on the drive. Also, the FMP-X1 will show the drives on your menu so you can switch between internal/external storage and move contents out of the unit to the external HDD and vice versa. This is still restricted to 4K content from the store."

Hi Lee:

Have you ever managed to get the Flash card feature on the X1 to work? I tried and never been able to get the X1 to view my high res pictures or HD videos.

Thanks for any input.
post #3764 of 7185
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Originally Posted by norml4721 View Post

Yes audio issues :

When coming out of HDMI 2 on media player to any input on Pioneer elite receiver The receiver sound goes on and off. PCM displayed on receiver then no sound . Toggles back and forth.. I tried going thru receiver but nothing out. When I disconnected receiver HDMI out I got constant PCM sound but only for a few minutes. Spent about 8 hours in the past 2 days with Sony support. I keep on getting b.oiler plate answers that do not help. Then get switched to another person and repeat the process. It appears that there is a communication problem between the receiver and the server but Sony will not admit that.


Also do you get any HD Master audio formats other that PCM out of media ?

Thank you in advance for any and all help Frustrated, Norm L

I finally addressed my X1 HDMI2 constant audio dropouts today in a completely random way. Nothing to do with HDMI, ARC or Directv Genie. I switched the TV from wired to wireless. They say the X1 and the set must both be wired, but that isn't true, maybe only for the first initialization. Obviously, both devices are on the same network. Hope this helps somebody else!
Oh and Optical out of the set and HDMI from the X1 are max 5.1 Dolby, no lossless.
post #3765 of 7185
For the people that mounted your sets on the wall, which mount are you using? Interested to find out for the 65" Model. Thanks for the help. John
post #3766 of 7185
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Originally Posted by brickyardz View Post

For the people that mounted your sets on the wall, which mount are you using? Interested to find out for the 65" Model. Thanks for the help. John

 

I use this one:  http://www.sanus.com/ap/en/products/visionmount/low-profile-mount/LL22.  It is not a tilt/swivel, if that is what you are looking for.  Sanus makes a very nice mount.

 

post #3767 of 7185
Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the link! Did you install this yourself? How easy was it to do? Thanks again. John
post #3768 of 7185

Guys,

 

I just got back from watching the Hunger games in Imax.

 

I had not gone back to the movies since I have this tv.

 

It was the first time I sat in a movie theater and instead of focusing on the movie, I focused on the PQ.

 

Before the movie started,  I noticed that all the commercials for Xmas were in Vivid. The reds looked like they had too much magenta in them. The target logo which is normally red looked a tad pink.

 

The overall PQ is nowhere near as sharp as on our tv's.

 

A blu ray, is much much sharper on our tv than with these Imax projectors.

 

Is this normal??


Edited by quovadis123 - 11/22/13 at 4:30pm
post #3769 of 7185
Yes there really is no comparison between our sets and the best theater setups. (Edit: that I've seen here in Chicago) We win the 3d cup, too. Theater black levels, especially, bug me more than color push-but I understand your experience.

My friends just laugh at me if I point any of this out.
Edited by flinchn - 11/22/13 at 4:23pm
post #3770 of 7185
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

Yes there really is no comparison between our sets and the best theater setups. (Edit: that I've seen here in Chicago) We win the 3d cup, too. Theater black levels, especially, bug me more than color push-but I understand your experience.

My friends just laugh at me if I point any of this out.

 

So what is the point of buying a projector?

 

Why are some people telling me that a projector is just as good as the PQ on the tv?

post #3771 of 7185
Dunno. All of the professionally installed projectors I've seen (not 4k) look like crapola. As in many things, i guess Size matters
post #3772 of 7185
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Originally Posted by brickyardz View Post

Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the link! Did you install this yourself? How easy was it to do? Thanks again. John

 

It is easy to install--just a couple of anchor bolts into the studs.  The connection to the back of the TV is simple as well.  Once the TV is hanging on the bracket, you can tilt the bottom of the TV forward 2-3 inches and prop it in place with stand-offs that are part of the mount.  This allows you to get to the back of the set to hook up the cables.  Once that is done, release the stand-offs and the display returns to the flat position.

post #3773 of 7185
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

I finally addressed my X1 HDMI2 constant audio dropouts today in a completely random way. Nothing to do with HDMI, ARC or Directv Genie. I switched the TV from wired to wireless. They say the X1 and the set must both be wired, but that isn't true, maybe only for the first initialization. Obviously, both devices are on the same network. Hope this helps somebody else!
Oh and Optical out of the set and HDMI from the X1 are max 5.1 Dolby, no lossless.

Myself and a few others have discovered that Sony is basically demanding (when you talk to CS) that they are both on the wire, but it just doesn't work that way.

Sony went so far as to send me a replacement unit and a internet router but when it was all done, TV wireless, X1 wired works...
post #3774 of 7185
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

Myself and a few others have discovered that Sony is basically demanding (when you talk to CS) that they are both on the wire, but it just doesn't work that way.

Sony went so far as to send me a replacement unit and a internet router but when it was all done, TV wireless, X1 wired works...

Maybe the TV had to be on wired for initial setup or pairing with the X1


In any case my "fix" (much like Obamas) really didn't pan out. Started dropping again. At this point I'm just going to use ARC over HDMI 1 and try to forget I'm looking at 4k and hearing PCM 2,0 matrix.
Edited by flinchn - 11/22/13 at 4:36pm
post #3775 of 7185
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

Maybe the TV had to be on wired for initial setup or pairing with the X1

Don't think so, I didn't keep notes, but pretty sure I set it up with X1 on wire and TV on wireless, because my old Apple airport express only had 1 ethernet port.

After a LOT of fiddling around, Sony admitted to a bug in their IP stack that was tickled when TV and X1 where plugged into the brand new Apple Airport Extreme that I bought explicitly to have both on the wire, so they gave me a router, and then there was an update to the TV and or X1, and then…

...In the end I just tried it with the TV wireless again and it all worked. QED
post #3776 of 7185
"After a LOT of fiddling around, Sony admitted to a bug in their...."

"In any case my "fix" (much like Obamas) really didn't pan out."

Just say'n: 1. I love my TV... and the president. Could we skip the political spout-off here, please? 2. I suggest that it's unfair... how often I see, "Sony admitted." You'd think it was a criminal suspect being interrogated. ...No offense.
post #3777 of 7185
It was just a joke. No offense. There's a lot of hilarity going on right now, that's all.
I'll resist in the future.
Edited by flinchn - 11/22/13 at 5:41pm
post #3778 of 7185

Anyone seen the new Toshiba 4k tv's? Its 240 hz, and passive 3d.

http://www.toshiba.com/us/tv/4k/65l9300u


Edited by quovadis123 - 11/22/13 at 6:13pm
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Awesome Jerry! I cant wait until next week when I get mine! Thank you for the help.
post #3780 of 7185

Anyone know if Sony fixed the 3D "problem" of the vertical resolution being cut in half?

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