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post #391 of 7408
FlatpanelsHD got their X900A in for review. Time to finally learn what the input lag of this set is.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1372336176



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Originally Posted by fatboy3535 View Post

I work for a company that does business with the big S.

The retail server's are in the process of being shipped, from what I hear. Everyone is shooting in 4K. So even though there is very little content being marketed, every movie shot now has the 4K source material in their vault to fall back on when Sony blows the top off of 4K. It takes crazy amounts of time to "remaster" a movie to 4K, which is why the previous statement is important. For this reason, once Sony get's a distribution mechanism in place, all sorts of titles will be heading 4K's way.

oh, ya.... wouldn't we love these T.V.'s without speakers being announced before the holiday's? wink.gif

Last, x900 owners won't be left hanging on hdmi 2.0. (reiterated)

Sony has a distribution method in place, it's digital. The PlayStation 4 is going to be their first big product to offer the service. The problem is, the compression codec Sony is using could be a whole lot better. RED has already proved 4K movies can be released at file sizes smaller than even a current Blu ray release while still maintaining a top rate picture with minimal compression artifacts. The problem, it requires pricy hardware to decode.

A lot of films have already been mastered in 4K. Some have been mastered in 8K. Every Criterion Blu ray release is from a 4K master. Oh, and those "4K mastered" Blu rays Sony put out look almost identical to their current Blu ray release. The only one that differed was Ghostbusters, but that was more due to the contrast changes Sony made. Some of these 4K mastered movies coming from Sony were already mastered in 4K for their first release without the "4K" title on them. Taxi Driver being a prime example of a movie with a already brilliant master. 4K isn't going to become a reality on a 1080P format and the movie industry isn't really too interested in putting out actual 4K movies on a physical format. Physical movie sales have been declining at a steady and very noticeable rate yearly as digital services have become much more popular. It'll be a while before 4K becomes a standard movie format because people just aren't interested in upgrading their televisions right now. It's quite obvious the X900A is a boutique item for the hardcore only as no typical consumer would ever spend that much. Most consumers are uneasy spending over $1,000 on a television as it is. Sony will push it naturally, but so far, no other studio has really spoke a word about releasing 4K editions of their films making it so far look like it might be Sony Picture films only for a while. Especially when services like Netflix dominate the movie industry.
Edited by vaxick - 6/27/13 at 7:04pm
post #392 of 7408
Thread Starter 
The www.widescreenreview.com review confirms the 4k difference is visible at normal seating distances.
post #393 of 7408
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Just out of curiosity, which flagship plasma was this? The XBR8 was a fantastic set, but as I recall didn't walk all over the plasma sets of its' day.

+1. Also, backlight set to minimum? Unwatchable.
post #394 of 7408
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

The www.widescreenreview.com review confirms the 4k difference is visible at normal seating distances.
Great review. Just finished reading it.
More correctly stated "It looked better than a 2K set". This does not mean that you could perceive more detail, just that it looked better. Not surprising considering the very high end components and features Sony packed into the set. I would have been surprised if one could not tell the difference at any given distance.
Sound and Vision did a lengthy preview of the 84" Sony monster and confirmed that any resolution increase disappeared at about 10' compared to a 1080 set. There's a link in post #185.
The reviewer stated: "In the demo’s native 4K/1080p clip comparison using the two Sony TVs, the native 4K display’s extra detail could be clearly seen at a 5-6 foot (or closer) distance. But when I backed up a few steps — to around 8 feet — the differences faded. It wasn’t that the native 4K picture didn’t look great; it’s just that it no longer displayed clearly better detail than what I was seeing on the other set."
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

+1. Also, backlight set to minimum? Unwatchable.

The point was that the attraction to LCD is not merely in brightness. LCD's do not need the backlight cranked in a dark room! In total darkness the X9 looks fine at +1.
post #396 of 7408
So there was no side by side plasma comparison? The XBR8 blew away the XBR9, and even cnet mentions the XBR8 was not at the same level as plasma. Making uninformative posts is unnecessary. It is a known fact, black level on plasma will always be deeper than lcd. The nature of an LCD is made to be translucent. At the same brightness level plasma wins in black level, that is fact. But this thread is getting off track...
Edited by *UFO* - 6/27/13 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Making uninformative posts is unnecessary.

Does that mean you will no longer be posting?tongue.gif

The CNet review said the XBR8's absolute black level was superior. Besides, reviews are loaded with human error and biases so go with your own eyes. Let's just agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Does that mean you will no longer be posting?tongue.gif

The CNet review said the XBR8's absolute black level was superior. Besides, reviews are loaded with human error and biases so go with your own eyes. Let's just agree to disagree.

I cant agree with a BSer. Anyways, I have been reading a lot about these 4k sets because I am thinking of further upgrading wink.gif Im confused with whether or not you can actually get 4k at 60hz. Ive been reading posts that the HDMI format currently out can not carry the bandwidth. If that is the case then this set is only good for watching movies in 24p.
Edited by *UFO* - 6/27/13 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

I cant agree with a BSer. Anyways, I have been reading a lot about these 4k sets because I am thinking of further upgrading wink.gif Im confused with whether or not you can actually get 4k at 60hz. Ive been reading posts that the HDMI format currently out can not carry the bandwidth.

Presently, HDMI is limited to 30Hz at 3840 x 2160
post #400 of 7408
I was playing around with the 3D last night. This set is extremely sensitive to vertical off axis viewing with 3D. As mentioned, my TV is on a console and we're sitting on a couch. This shouldn't be an issue. Sitting up a little higher reduced the double imaging significantly. Oddly, having the display slightly lower than the viewing position produced almost no apparent doubling while the same off axis viewing from an inferior position resulted in discernable doubling. Viewing distance is also an issue. The further back I moved, the less doubling I saw.

FWIW, on a recent trip to Disney we did a VIP tour which gave us a private tour guide from Disney. We went to see two of the 3D presentations there and both times the guide had us sit in the back. I thought this was odd and asked why. She said that the 3D effects are better from the back of the theater. Perhaps the same is true for our displays.
post #401 of 7408
You've got the 65", right? I'm itching to see how the 55" fares with viewing angles (I was looking at it straight on before) but I gotta wait until I return to work on Monday, and I'll be armed to the teeth with lots of 3D goodness. Just ordered the new edition of the Spears and Munsil test disc too, I like the idea of having 3D test patterns (and I'll finally have some objective tests to confirm how fubar the 3D is on my resident 55HX823).
post #402 of 7408
Yes, I have the 65". One other thing to note - there's a setting in the 3D menu for depth adjustment. I set that for 0 and also I changed the Auto detect to the second setting - I'm not sure if the Auto detect setting made a difference, but I'm pretty sure turning the depth adjustment to 0 made a difference.
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Can someone confirm the positioning of the 4 HDMI inputs on the back of the set? I think I read 2 are downward facing with 2 facing out. If 2 are facing outwards then I'll have an issue mounting this baby flush against the wall. I need four inputs that face either sideways or downwards....thx
post #404 of 7408
You can't mount it flush to the wall because the subwoofer protrudes out the back, so no matter what bracket you use there will be enough space for an HDMI cable in the rear facing input to bend safely. This is not a thin display.
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Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post

You can't mount it flush to the wall because the subwoofer protrudes out the back, so no matter what bracket you use there will be enough space for an HDMI cable in the rear facing input to bend safely. This is not a thin display.

Thanks jimmyg, looks like some drywall repair due to an existing TV on the wall and a new piece of furniture to place the X900A on is in my future....
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Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post

You can't mount it flush to the wall because the subwoofer protrudes out the back, so no matter what bracket you use there will be enough space for an HDMI cable in the rear facing input to bend safely. This is not a thin display.

I really hope sony does not start making thin displays. I really feel that the thickness of the display has a lot to do with clouding/flash lighting. If you notice, all of the Sony tvs are much thicker then samsung and LG and it seems the sony sets have a lot less problems with clouding.
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Originally Posted by brownriggd View Post

Thanks jimmyg, looks like some drywall repair due to an existing TV on the wall and a new piece of furniture to place the X900A on is in my future....

You are better off hanging it on the wall, why wouldn't you want to?
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Originally Posted by brownriggd View Post

Can someone confirm the positioning of the 4 HDMI inputs on the back of the set? I think I read 2 are downward facing with 2 facing out. If 2 are facing outwards then I'll have an issue mounting this baby flush against the wall. I need four inputs that face either sideways or downwards....thx

You are willing to spend this kind of money on a set and you don't have an HDMI receiver? All you need is 1HDMI from receiver to tv, by connecting all your components to receiver.
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

You are better off hanging it on the wall, why wouldn't you want to?
You are willing to spend this kind of money on a set and you don't have an HDMI receiver? All you need is 1HDMI from receiver to tv, by connecting all your components to receiver.

It's not always about money. Some people just don't want a ton of gear sitting on a stand under their TV. Also, why is one "better off" hanging a TV on their wall?
post #409 of 7408
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

The www.widescreenreview.com review confirms the 4k difference is visible at normal seating distances.

Funny how different reviews can be. Take black levels for this set for example. WSR said that with their equipment it could not be measured and when sent a completely black screen you would think the set was powered down while another review says there are errors and it was not as good as another particular Sony model. What do those who have this TV at home think of the black level?
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Funny how different reviews can be. Take black levels for this set for example. WSR said that with their equipment it could not be measured and when sent a completely black screen you would think the set was powered down while another review says there are errors and it was not as good as another particular Sony model. What do those who have this TV at home think of the black level?

I couldn't ask for better!
post #411 of 7408
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Funny how different reviews can be. Take black levels for this set for example. WSR said that with their equipment it could not be measured and when sent a completely black screen you would think the set was powered down while another review says there are errors and it was not as good as another particular Sony model. What do those who have this TV at home think of the black level?

A completely black feed is completely black. Other circumstances vary but black level is very good.
post #412 of 7408
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

The www.widescreenreview.com review confirms the 4k difference is visible at normal seating distances.

Not only that but he also revealed that his Oppo BDP 105 did a slightly better 1080p 4k upconversion than the the TV. Good news for us 105 and 103 owners....
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

It's not always about money. Some people just don't want a ton of gear sitting on a stand under their TV. Also, why is one "better off" hanging a TV on their wall?

Agreed, I already have 2 PVRs, an AV receiver and BD player. That said a flat screen on the wall looks good, but in reality is a pain if you need to access the inputs or change cables...
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Originally Posted by rkolk View Post

I couldn't ask for better!

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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

A completely black feed is completely black. Other circumstances vary but black level is very good.

Thanks, that what I thought I'd hear.
post #415 of 7408
I have had this TV for about 48 hours. Amazon had fast shipping and their TV concierge service worked with the freight company on the phone to get me a quick delivery. Unpacked, checked that it turned on, put it in place on a stand and had some fun.

Initial impression was that this set is nothing short of spectacular. 4k content (youtube) is breathtaking and upscaled content (DirecTV, Bluray, 360) is so clean and sharp it looks like you are on the movie set when you watch a movie - it's almost surreal. Never been impressed by 3d until I watched a few 3d blurays on this set (Transformers Dark of the Moon 3d has some scenes that will flutter your stomach, like you are on a roller coaster). Colors are vibrant, grayscale was good out of the box and both black and white are pure yet detailed as they devolve into shadows and off-white. The cabinet is sleek and attractive and the 65 inch was definitely the right size to show off. Only complaint with the design is they should have made the speakers on the side of the panel detatchable - If you are going to spend 7k on a 4k set, you are likely pairing it with one heck of a HT system. People who say they don't see a difference between this set and 1080p sets (whatever the viewing distance) are off their rockers, or simply haven't bought and taken one of these home.

However, I *only* had this set working for 48 hours. Suddenly, a black blur/blotch appeared at the top-middle of the screen and within about 30 seconds the TV powered down, with the front panel LED flashing 4 times. Unplugging the TV and the same thing happens. I turn it on, notice the blotch, wait 30 seconds and the panel dims and the TV shuts off. I reset the TV to factory defaults but the same thing is happening on the initial setup. I paid a pretty penny for this set, which says it was manufactured last month, obviously quality control is still an issue. Tomorrow I will call Sony to get the warranty repair process going, but for tonight I can only say I'm extremely disappointed that spent so much money on something that lasted 2 days - as a tease almost. I would warn potential buyers to beware of the QC manufacturing on these sets at this point. I don't know how Amazon feels about these going out the door with potential faulty components, but they have my money now, I guess.
post #416 of 7408
So I spent some time taking the back off and tightening wires. Waste of time, I thought - well wouldn't you know it - the TV is back up! For how long, we'll see.
post #417 of 7408
You opened up the back of a 7K tv? eek.gif If Sony found this out your warranty would be void. If you paid money you should expect $7K service from Sony.
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Perhaps but even 7k worth of quality service wouldn't have me happily watching my tv today.
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If the YouTube on our new 4K tv does not really show 4k, what's the best way to see real 4k until the media server is available? Is there a way to download a 4k video clip and watch it on the tv? It seems you can't download from Youtube are there other options?
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

So I spent some time taking the back off and tightening wires. Waste of time, I thought - well wouldn't you know it - the TV is back up! For how long, we'll see.

If you just received it , why not exchange it through amazon? I believe you have a 30 day window with amazon. For the amount you paid, I would not want a service call a few days after purchasing a 7K tv. Hopefully it will keep working for you with no more issues!
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