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post #5251 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Ace of Space View Post

Latest firmware release improvements from Sony's website, dated 2-7-14:

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.201AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.001AAA:
•Improved performance and stability of the Internet features
•Improves the login function for the Skype® online calling service

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.201AAA:
•Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (50/59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (50/59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)
•Improves stability of the sound output with a Blu-ray Disc™ player using an HDMI connection

a)
Super technical details of HDMI 2.0 in the link below from a company that makes the guts of a digital video processing chip Sony might be using. Our TV might use a different chip, but the 3x3 matrix at the beginning give a useful summary of why it's nice to have 2.0, and the "viewing distance" chart is, for a change, biased to 4K being a must instead of the contrary :-)

http://www.synopsys.com/Company/Publications/SynopsysInsight/Pages/Art3-hdmi-2.0-IssQ3-13.aspx?cmp=Insight-I3-2013-Art3

b) Obviously they added some messages "motion flow", so the update summary is incomplete...
post #5252 of 7316
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post


b) Obviously they added some messages "motion flow", so the update summary is incomplete...

 

In my experience, all sorts of "minor" tweaks are incorporated into these FW upgrades.  Only the changes that they think are major are included in the description.  I'm sure the same thing happens in our computer security upgrades, iOS upgrades, etc.

post #5253 of 7316
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

a)
Super technical details of HDMI 2.0 in the link below from a company that makes the guts of a digital video processing chip Sony might be using. Our TV might use a different chip, but the 3x3 matrix at the beginning give a useful summary of why it's nice to have 2.0, and the "viewing distance" chart is, for a change, biased to 4K being a must instead of the contrary :-)

http://www.synopsys.com/Company/Publications/SynopsysInsight/Pages/Art3-hdmi-2.0-IssQ3-13.aspx?cmp=Insight-I3-2013-Art3

It's kinda ironic that HDMI 2.0's new ability to pass the lowest quality YCbCr 4:2:0 colour signal is the basis of the 'upgrade' that will allow us to play super-duper 2160p60 content on our sets. (HDMI 1.x passes a minimum of 4:2:2 colour compression IIRC, so even though Blu-ray is encoded 4:2:0 the colour has to be upscaled to at least 4:2:2 in the player to meet the HDMI spec.)
post #5254 of 7316
If anyone's curious about the Harmony Touch & our sets with devices connected via HDMI CEC/Bravia Sync, I found something that kinda works...

I had to setup an activity that had only the TV and then customized the activity to add a macro to push the 'Sync Menu' button (which I never played with before! always used the Home menu and navigated) and the other navigation required to get to my devices.

Works great coming from another activity with a non HDMI CEC device.

Fails miserably when going from HDMI CEC device to another, or if you're in any of the SEN apps (as the Sync Menu button is not available - or so it says).

If there are direct commands or remote combos to select the CEC devices at input, that would be ideal. But until then this is the best I could come up with.
post #5255 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

Could someone please shed some light as to why my TV doesn't show the SuperHD option? My TV is hard wired to my router. I just find it strange because my two WD Plays are wireless connected on different TV's and they both play movies in SuperHD. Please advise.


This happened to me during the last Netflix app upgrade. No Super HD label (next to the 5.1 label) on selections where I've seen it on other versions of the Netflix app, just 'HD'. However tonight I finally proved a stream could get up to '1080 Super HD' quality regardless, while watching the stats in the upper left hand corner after hitting 'display' on the TV remote.

So this isn't an issue.
post #5256 of 7316
I wonder if it will work with a R9 290X gpu?
post #5257 of 7316

I hope I they update soon as House of Cards on netflix comes out in less than a week and the netflix app cannot display 4K yet :-(

 

Also youtube has done 4K for quite a while and you still cannot watch 4K youtube videos in 4K. I have to play them via my computer via HDMI to view in 4K.

 

No 4K videos from USB will play yet (I've tried a lot of codecs etc)

 

:-(

 

Thanks

post #5258 of 7316
Not very impressive facts for a 4k TV it must be said, as you say let's hope Sony are true to their word and look after early adopters, I'd love to buy this TV at the prices it's now going for but it's too risky IMO, wait and see is definitely the right thing to do but it is frustrating. If Sony want to sell last years models they'd do well to provide some proper information as to how and when things like Netflix and YouTube will be updated to play 4k material, without that forthcoming I'd rather wait for this years models tbh
post #5259 of 7316
My TV is already updated to the latest firmware of 4.2 but I dont have a clue about the HDMI from the GPU allowing 4k60p at 8bit color. I know how to overclock the pixel clock on nvidia cards but AMD has me stumped! Ive seen on Club3d's website that they say the 290x will support the hdmi 2.0 spec. But it doesnt go any further than that and I have tried to contact club3d but yet to receive a reply.

So the AMD R9 290x graphics card can has a pixel clock ceiling of 600mhz which is more than ther GTX titans 400mhz. Does anyone know how I can boost the HDMI pixel clock high enough to get 4K 60hz. Has anyone tried. Also which hdmi port should I use on the TV. Thanks
post #5260 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Craig Whitmore View Post

I hope I they update soon as House of Cards on netflix comes out in less than a week and the netflix app cannot display 4K yet :-(

Also youtube has done 4K for quite a while and you still cannot watch 4K youtube videos in 4K. I have to play them via my computer via HDMI to view in 4K.

No 4K videos from USB will play yet (I've tried a lot of codecs etc)

:-(

Thanks

TBH I don't think any of these will change:

1) The TV doesn't (and will never) have HEVC so decoding Netflix 4K will be a no-no.

2) The other apps (youtube etc) will only go up to 1080p. This cannot be changed because the app software in these TVs isn't upgradeable in any way.

3) I must admit to being disappointed that it won't play 4K files off of USB, but there must be some sort of hardware issue that's preventing it, i.e. the TV's in-built decoder for playing apps/videos directly is restricted to HD resolution. That's kinda dumb for a 4K set, granted, but that leads me to my next point:
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Originally Posted by zAndy12 View Post

Not very impressive facts for a 4k TV it must be said, as you say let's hope Sony are true to their word and look after early adopters, I'd love to buy this TV at the prices it's now going for but it's too risky IMO, wait and see is definitely the right thing to do but it is frustrating. If Sony want to sell last years models they'd do well to provide some proper information as to how and when things like Netflix and YouTube will be updated to play 4k material, without that forthcoming I'd rather wait for this years models tbh

It's literally the first generation of Sony's UHD TV hardware. Things were bound to be a bit rocky with regard to this and that. You wanna wait, then wait. And all your 4K dreams will come true. biggrin.gif

Me, I'll be buying a 4K Blu-ray player the instant it appears, and I'll bet cash money that it'll do all three things mentioned above: plays Netflix and other apps in 4K, and plays 4K off of USB. So I'm not too cut up that they're not in the TV.
post #5261 of 7316
If they can update the Netflix app (as they did a few months ago via firmware) why can't they update the others?

(Yes I realize Netflix 4k needs a decoder)
post #5262 of 7316
Sony kd-55x9005a

Has anybody noticed that when using the embedded Youtube application that whilst playing video (particularly noticed on the 'alleged' 4k samples) that a horizontal line (about 1.5 inches long and a couple of pixels thick) appears towards the top right hand corner of the screen during play. As the youtube logo disappears once play starts this small line remains on most but not all videos. I'm trying to establish if this fault is unique to my tv or if it's a more widespread issue.

Also, does anybody know if Sony is planning to make 4k material be playable through USB?
post #5263 of 7316
Appears this latest firmware release hasn't made it to Europe yet? Sony's uk website still showing pkg4.001eua dated 29/12/2013 with a note it's for European models only. To be fair to Sony (looking at comments elsewhere in this thread) there is also some description of the changes. What is potentially confusing is how the US release and European release equate to each other? Can anybody shine any light on Sony's naming standards and how they phase releases around the world?
post #5264 of 7316
Does it matter what HDMI input I have my amplifier feeding into? I'm currently using HDMI 1. All of my video sources feed into my amplifier. I have a STR DN 1040.
post #5265 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

TBH I don't think any of these will change:

1) The TV doesn't (and will never) have HEVC so decoding Netflix 4K will be a no-no.

2) The other apps (youtube etc) will only go up to 1080p. This cannot be changed because the app software in these TVs isn't upgradeable in any way.

1. Was this ever clearly stated? We don't know much about what the CPU in the TV can cannot do as I don't believe its ever been identified. I do realize that there is not any dedicated HEVC decoding hardware in the TVs, but that doesn't rule out that the CPU couldn't handle it. HEVC doesn't required dedicated hardware - dedicated hardware just takes the load off the main CPU for the device/TV making it easier to multitask.

2. How can this be? The Netflix app is regularly updated. How is the Netflix app any different from the YouTube or Hulu app? Why couldn't a firmware update upgrade the app software in these TVs?
post #5266 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Craig Whitmore View Post

I hope I they update soon as House of Cards on netflix comes out in less than a week and the netflix app cannot display 4K yet :-(

Need to point out that while House of Cards was shot in 4k, and it does release next week that, Netflix announced that the 4k streaming of House of Cards would be available 'later this year'.

I took this to mean it would not be available in 4k when it was released, but rather likely later this summer.

There is a LOT of preparation and coordination/testing with the last mile ISPs and CDNs that needs to occur before they can release this. And I would be shocked if any of the CDNs, let alone ISPs are ready for Netflix to unleash 15mbps streams to the masses right now. They're probably all scrambling deploying new gear (think about the new storage requirements for this!) and acquiring new egress bandwidth right now.

Plus, you know - there's not any media devices in the market that can do anything with a 4k HEVC stream at the moment anyhow. smile.gif
post #5267 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Conger01 View Post

Appears this latest firmware release hasn't made it to Europe yet? Sony's uk website still showing pkg4.001eua dated 29/12/2013 with a note it's for European models only. To be fair to Sony (looking at comments elsewhere in this thread) there is also some description of the changes. What is potentially confusing is how the US release and European release equate to each other? Can anybody shine any light on Sony's naming standards and how they phase releases around the world?

In Italy we have the latest firmware version, the PKG4.201EUB.

Arrived friday.

post #5268 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tdrozdowski View Post

1. Was this ever clearly stated? We don't know much about what the CPU in the TV can cannot do as I don't believe its ever been identified. I do realize that there is not any dedicated HEVC decoding hardware in the TVs, but that doesn't rule out that the CPU couldn't handle it. HEVC doesn't required dedicated hardware - dedicated hardware just takes the load off the main CPU for the device/TV making it easier to multitask.

2. How can this be? The Netflix app is regularly updated. How is the Netflix app any different from the YouTube or Hulu app? Why couldn't a firmware update upgrade the app software in these TVs?

1) Okay, should the processing be up to scratch, you'd need to have the codec installed into the TV, and the architecture simply doesn't work that way.

2) Apps can be updated to make them work more efficiently, but what I meant was that their technical strictures (resolution, codecs etc) cannot be adjusted after the fact. Remember, these TVs aren't PCs, no matter how 'smart' they may appear to be.

I'd love to be proved wrong about 4K streaming and HEVC, I really would. But I can't see it happening on the 1st gen X9.
post #5269 of 7316

a few questions

 

1) when using the 4k ultra hd movie player does it require 2 hdmi cables to be plugged in one for audio one for video?

2) does the hdmi board need to be changed on new 900a TVs to make the media player work?

3) does the media player require an ethernet connection not wireless internet? can the TV be on wifi if the media player is using ethernet?

4) are owners using the tv speakers or hooking up to receivers, would a receiver work with media player?

post #5270 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post

a few questions

1) when using the 4k ultra hd movie player does it require 2 hdmi cables to be plugged in one for audio one for video?
2) does the hdmi board need to be changed on new 900a TVs to make the media player work?
3) does the media player require an ethernet connection not wireless internet? can the TV be on wifi if the media player is using ethernet?
4) are owners using the tv speakers or hooking up to receivers, would a receiver work with media player?

1-The media player audio can be passed through the TV and on to the AVR using the HDMI connection between the TV and the AVR, thus requiring only one HDMI connection to the media player. An alternate method is to connect a second HDMI cable to HDMI2 on the media player directly to the AVR. A number of users, including myself, have experienced audio issues with the HDMI2 connection. I believe the single-cable connection requires ARC to be configured between the TV and the AVR for hi-res audio to work properly.

2-Only early production models required the HDMI board swap-out. You would need to check your build date.

3-The media player does not support a wireless connection natively, so a direct Ethernet connection is required. In my configuration, the X900 is connected wirelessly, so this works fine.

4-The most robust sound would come from audio playing through your home theater speakers, although the speakers in the TV are actually quite good (for casual listening, IMO). Either way will work.
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how many 900a owners use the tv speakers vs hooking up to a receiver and speakers? what receivers and speakers are being used?

post #5272 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post
 

how many 900a owners use the tv speakers vs hooking up to a receiver and speakers? what receivers and speakers are being used?

 

I use the Sony sound bar. It's much better than the speakers.

Sony HTST7 HD Sound Bar with Wireless Subwoofer

post #5273 of 7316

That is a pretty hard question to answer.  Speaking for myself only, I rarely use the built-in speakers because I have invested a considerable amount of money in a home theater system.  Any AVR with HDMI will work, although I would think that the benefits of using the AVR would be because it has better speakers.  For example, an AVR with a 5.1 sound system (or even 7.1, 9.1 or 11.1 sound) is likely to provide a more immersive experience than using the internal TV speakers.

post #5274 of 7316
I just use the TVs speakers.
post #5275 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post

how many 900a owners use the tv speakers vs hooking up to a receiver and speakers? what receivers and speakers are being used?
I use TV sound unless the program material seriously warrants my excellent sound system. It is more comfortable to use the TV sound. Classical music/opera/ballet and blu-ray with special sound... I may go big sound. But, TV sound is so fine for most purposes. If I did not have the big sound in place... I would forget it. Since 7.1 sound is there and ready to go, it can be a treat at times. My system also does vinyl phono turntable, another excuse to not tamper with it.
post #5276 of 7316
I'm very happy with the speakers in my 900.

I have an amp connected to surround sound speakers when I want to go "wild."

smile.gif


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post #5277 of 7316
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

I'm very happy with the speakers in my 900.

I have an amp connected to surround sound speakers when I want to go "wild."

smile.gif

Ditto. I think the TV speakers are tremendous, but I've got a decent 5.1 system (Yamaha amp, Mission speakers, B&K subwoofer) which I can rock when the neighbours are out. biggrin.gif
post #5278 of 7316
If your tv is in an awkward room for surround speakers to be positioned correctly then this TV is awesome.
post #5279 of 7316
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Originally Posted by tim1000 View Post

how many 900a owners use the tv speakers vs hooking up to a receiver and speakers? what receivers and speakers are being used?

I just use the speakers. However, I did attach a subwoofer to the TV to deepen the bass. Watching TV and even listening to music through the AppleTV sounds great to me. I do miss the surround on movies/games though.
post #5280 of 7316
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

1) Okay, should the processing be up to scratch, you'd need to have the codec installed into the TV, and the architecture simply doesn't work that way.

2) Apps can be updated to make them work more efficiently, but what I meant was that their technical strictures (resolution, codecs etc) cannot be adjusted after the fact. Remember, these TVs aren't PCs, no matter how 'smart' they may appear to be.

I'd love to be proved wrong about 4K streaming and HEVC, I really would. But I can't see it happening on the 1st gen X9.

That's surprising. Can't install a new codec? What in the TV architecture is limiting this? Assuming the CPU has the power to process the codec, it would seem to me that all you would need is enough storage for the new codec. Am I missing something else? Seems rather short sighted of Sony to produce sets of which the codecs cannot be updated or added to.

I understand these sets are not PCs - but they're pretty close (maybe closer to a tablet?). Eager to learn more about the architecture of a set like this...
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