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post #5341 of 7250
watching NBA tv on my X900A......WoW! biggrin.gif picture quality on this thing is amazing!
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Originally Posted by RiED27880 View Post

watching NBA tv on my X900A......WoW! biggrin.gif picture quality on this thing is amazing!

 

What about motion-blur?!

 

lol

post #5343 of 7250
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

What about motion-blur?!

lol

I am running with both MotionFlow and CineMotion set to Off, and I don't perceive any motion-blur. I'm not watching sports right now.
post #5344 of 7250
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

What about motion-blur?!

lol

lol! i have to say that when it comes to motion, this set performs as good if not better than some top 240hz 1080p tvs out there. At least in my opinion smile.gif and the refresh rate is at 960. Smooth as it gets, specialy for a set with 120hz. The 4k content ive seen from my X1 4k media player looks great also.
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post


I am running with both MotionFlow and CineMotion set to Off, and I don't perceive any motion-blur. I'm not watching sports right now.

 

 

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Originally Posted by RiED27880 View Post


lol! i have to say that when it comes to motion, this set performs as good if not better than some top 240hz 1080p tvs out there. At least in my opinion smile.gif and the refresh rate is at 960. Smooth as it gets, specialy for a set with 120hz. The 4k content ive seen from my X1 4k media player looks great also.

 

LOL, you are beating around the bush! :)

 

This set "performs" as good if not better than "some" top 240 Hz TVs...

 

So, you are saying that this TV does display motion-blur...?

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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post



LOL, you are beating around the bush! smile.gif

This set "performs" as good if not better than "some" top 240 Hz TVs...

So, you are saying that this TV does display motion-blur...?

I had sony 240 and I got this recertified unit in an exchange. I regret it. There's no 4k to watch and tons of motion blur while watching anything with fast panning shots.
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Originally Posted by Dawgdaes View Post


I had sony 240 and I got this recertified unit in an exchange. I regret it. There's no 4k to watch and tons of motion blur while watching anything with fast panning shots.

 

That is exactly what I expected...

 

And exactly what I did not want to hear...

 

Why would Sony use 120 Hz on such an otherwise impressive TV?!

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Is it possible that people confuse motion blur with low frame rates? When I play xbox one at close to 60fps I don't see motion blur.
post #5349 of 7250
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Originally Posted by laakness View Post

Is it possible that people confuse motion blur with low frame rates? When I play xbox one at close to 60fps I don't see motion blur.

 

I am not concerned with video games... :)

 

I am talking about movies....

post #5350 of 7250
When I first got the set, I perceived some motion blur in fast moving scenes. This no longer is an issue due either to calibration or the TV settling. If i use motionflow its just to look at the difference between on and off, especially for 3d depth. Some other oddities with screen uniformity also disappeared.

And no this isn't just a case of getting 'used to it'. I am hypersensitive to these things.
post #5351 of 7250
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

That is exactly what I expected...

And exactly what I did not want to hear...

Why would Sony use 120 Hz on such an otherwise impressive TV?!

It's very noticeable when I watch NBC Nightly News. Lots of blocks during the opening graphics. I never see that when watching on a 240 TV. I admit it was not a good choice for me. I got sucked in when I heard 4k. I assumed 4k must be 240. I made the assumption because the I refused two other TV's that were 120. The sony rep was less then honest. I was not a well informed consumer. It's mostly on me. If someone has a suggestion to eliminate the blur I'm all ears. The set it pretty good with movies. The picture is great. I hate motion blur.
post #5352 of 7250
Hey guys, I'm in the market for a new tv. I have a 55hx925 which is awesome. I'm leaning towards the 65x9004a. Just been priced $5200. Do I go with this or wait for the B series or go the 65vt Panasonic which I can get for 3400. I'm torn. I don't want to go backwards from the set I have. Look forward to some replies.
Cheers
Rixy
post #5353 of 7250
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Originally Posted by Dawgdaes View Post

If someone has a suggestion to eliminate the blur I'm all ears. The set it pretty good with movies. The picture is great. I hate motion blur.

I agree - watching TV there's all sorts of horrible motion blur. I notice it when the kids are watching Cartoon Network HD - which shows great color and detail, but nasty artifacts when there's panning or rapid motion. Even on the S&M 2nd edition disk with the motion tests, its very evident. When I put the tv MotionFlow on 'Smooth' it does help - but the very bottom ticker has nasty artifacts as a result. I find it difficult to believe that all TVs do this on this test - but maybe I'm wrong. I came up from a Mitsu DLP where I never noticed these types of things before. Turning MotionFlow and CinemaMotion off, the picture looks way too jittery for me during rapid motion - so I resorted to leaving it on Smooth.

PS4 games and PS3 movies its not so evident and I agree - its an awesome set. But for day to day use, its mostly ok - but things like this annoy me.

So yes - any suggestions on combinations of settings to help, is greatly appreciated.

I believe someone suggested there were a few settings that 'fed into' one another to help with the picture in terms of detail, motion, etc. Wondering if anyone has riddled this out to address the motion blur.
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Originally Posted by Dawgdaes View Post

It's very noticeable when I watch NBC Nightly News. Lots of blocks during the opening graphics. I never see that when watching on a 240 TV. I admit it was not a good choice for me. I got sucked in when I heard 4k. I assumed 4k must be 240. I made the assumption because the I refused two other TV's that were 120. The sony rep was less then honest. I was not a well informed consumer. It's mostly on me. If someone has a suggestion to eliminate the blur I'm all ears. The set it pretty good with movies. The picture is great. I hate motion blur.

I don't get it. I watch the NBC news every evening. I happen to still have tonight's broadcast on the DVR. I played the opening graphics several times, trying to see the "blocks" you are talking about, but I don't see them. Either your set has some calibration issues, or I am blind. I hope it isn't the latter, because I don't see major motion artifacts with this display.
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I don't get it. I watch the NBC news every evening. I happen to still have tonight's broadcast on the DVR. I played the opening graphics several times, trying to see the "blocks" you are talking about, but I don't see them. Either your set has some calibration issues, or I am blind. I hope it isn't the latter, because I don't see major motion artifacts with this display.

Maybe it can be calibrated out. I'm just a guy watching TV. I've played with your settings and it make the set look good. I still get a good amount of motion blur. I wonder if it's the tivo. I don't think it is because I did not have it with the 240 sony. Can someone tell me how to reset to factory settings.
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Originally Posted by Dawgdaes View Post

Maybe it can be calibrated out. I'm just a guy watching TV. I've played with your settings and it make the set look good. I still get a good amount of motion blur. I wonder if it's the tivo. I don't think it is because I did not have it with the 240 sony. Can someone tell me how to reset to factory settings.

If you open the Picture Adjustments menu, there is a Reset button immediately under the Picture Mode.

To make sure we are comparing apples to apples, select the Cinema Scene, and Cinema1 Picture Mode.
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I found this in a review of the X900A...

 

In one final processing note, the Sony TV has a number of options for dealing with motion blur and film judder. The Standard and Smooth modes in the Motionflow menu use frame interpolation, which reduces motion blur but produces a super-smooth effect with film sources that I don't like. The Impulse mode produced the best motion resolution in my test pattern from the FPD Benchmark Blu-ray disc, but it severely limits light output and creates unwatchable flicker. I found the Clear mode to offer the best compromise between light output and motion resolution, without creating unnaturally smooth motion in film sources.

 

Any help...?

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Any help what?  The wise owner would experiment with various settings and pick the one with the most pleasing result.  As I mentioned earlier, I have Motionflow set to Off, and I like the results.

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post
 

Any help what?  The wise owner would experiment with various settings and pick the one with the most pleasing result.  As I mentioned earlier, I have Motionflow set to Off, and I like the results.

 

Any help - was referring to the other posters who were asking if anyone knew of anything to help with the motion-blur.  I posted what a reviewer stated and asked if that was any help to them...

 

However, I guess I am a bit confused... You stated here that you have your Motionflow set to Off - and you like the results...

 

However, in your updated calibration post of just 8 days ago, 2/4/14 - it states that you have your Motionflow set to Standard...

 

So your settings have changed...?

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Originally Posted by everunman View Post

Does your macbook pro have a video card that you can change the resolution to 3840 x 2160?

Actually, I downloaded the files and noticed a lot of what I thought were compression artifacts as I did playing it on the Youtube player in Chrome. I looked at the codec info and discovered that these files were no 3840x2160, but rather 4096x2160. I did have that option as a resolution in my Display settings, so I chose that and a lot of them were gone. A couple of the videos I downloaded still exhibit these 'artifacts' - so I'm starting to think its the source video in these cases. But most are pretty darn clear - in particular Postcard from Innsbrook and World Outside My Window.

I'm also trusting that my Macbook switched over to the 'performance' graphics card and isn't using the Intel graphics...

Now I think I have somewhat decent demo material for people that visit. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

I found this in a review of the X900A...

In one final processing note, the Sony TV has a number of options for dealing with motion blur and film judder. The Standard and Smooth modes in the Motionflow menu use frame interpolation, which reduces motion blur but produces a super-smooth effect with film sources that I don't like. The Impulse mode produced the best motion resolution in my test pattern from the FPD Benchmark Blu-ray disc, but it severely limits light output and creates unwatchable flicker. I found the Clear mode to offer the best compromise between light output and motion resolution, without creating unnaturally smooth motion in film sources.

Any help...?

Well, maybe - I'll try clear on TV sources and see. When I ran through all the settings with the S&M 2nd edition disc in the motion test - I honestly couldn't find one that worked well. Off, its judder hell - smooth is smooth for slow moving items (the top ticker) but for fast its not bad, except for the artifacts it introduces. It generated a smudged white line below the text.

My limited testing with the few 4k sources I have show that motion flow off is the best for those. So far at least...

However, the comment above was about film sources. The more recent comments on this thread were regarding broadcast TV sources (likely Cable, not Satellite). So since I don't really have any issues with film sources - I'm starting to suspect its the cable box introducing compression artifacts from Cox, or broadcast issues from the broadcaster. I had Cox come out and test the line with their expensive equipment and its showing perfect from that perspective. But I can expect no further help from them after they realized I had a 4K set... So, who knows - perhaps expectations were too high for this TV.

But that being the case, and watching TV broadcasts being one of the most common use cases for this set for a lot of us - I'm just curious if anyone has sorted out the motion issues with TV broadcast source, or if its even possible. I'd hate to think this set only shines for film sources.
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Originally Posted by tdrozdowski View Post


Well, maybe - I'll try clear on TV sources and see. When I ran through all the settings with the S&M 2nd edition disc in the motion test - I honestly couldn't find one that worked well. Off, its judder hell - smooth is smooth for slow moving items (the top ticker) but for fast its not bad, except for the artifacts it introduces. It generated a smudged white line below the text.

My limited testing with the few 4k sources I have show that motion flow off is the best for those. So far at least...

However, the comment above was about film sources. The more recent comments on this thread were regarding broadcast TV sources (likely Cable, not Satellite). So since I don't really have any issues with film sources - I'm starting to suspect its the cable box introducing compression artifacts from Cox, or broadcast issues from the broadcaster. I had Cox come out and test the line with their expensive equipment and its showing perfect from that perspective. But I can expect no further help from them after they realized I had a 4K set... So, who knows - perhaps expectations were too high for this TV.

But that being the case, and watching TV broadcasts being one of the most common use cases for this set for a lot of us - I'm just curious if anyone has sorted out the motion issues with TV broadcast source, or if its even possible. I'd hate to think this set only shines for film sources.

 

Well, that actually is good to know and has me feeling a bit better...

 

As I will mainly be using this TV for blu-ray movies at the start...

 

:)

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Hi Guys :

I was looking at the Panny before I bought the XBR65X900A and have absolutely no regrets on my decision. I have been watching a Pioneer Elite plasma for the past 7 years which was considered the reference plasma panel by many. In fact I still have it. When I first purchased the Sony I put it next to the elite ( Which has been calibrated ) both watching a 1080i and then a 1080P source. The blacks were a little deeper on the Elite but the overall picture quality on the Sony was and is much sharper and defined The reds and blues on the Sony are much, much better more crisp and vibrant. You also have a larger range of picture adjustments that can be made by the end user not a calibration tech. I ran the signal thru a pioneer Elite receiver for both sets which has a video processor in it.

I did not A & b THE Panny side by side but the elite even though it is an older set is and has been outstanding and frankly the Sony is a better quality picture. there has been a few bugs in the sony and its support equipment but I think that they will sort it out in the end. 3D is amazing in the Sony not to mention that it is a 4K TV. Also the scaller in the sony is outstanding.

I am not a Sony advocate and I am the first one to complain or point out minor flaws in the Sony but it is the best picture that I have seen when you have a clean source.

ragards,

Norm L
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As I look into receivers I checked into the latest software update for the STR-DA5800ES receiver and it showed this:
... Adds support for the following HDMI® Version 2.0 specification for 4K/60p signals: ◦3840x2160p @ 59.94/60Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
◦3840x2160p @ 50Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
◦4096x2160p @ 59.94/60Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
◦4096x2160p @ 50Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)

It seems to match our TV's
post #5365 of 7250
is it possible that the tv can "settle" in? i got my replacement about 3 weeks ago give or take, and now the picture looks amazing! the colors are more accurate and that nasty red motion ghosting is almost non existant. smile.gif when i first got it and ran the first update the colors just seemed un natural.
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post
 

 

 

However, I guess I am a bit confused... You stated here that you have your Motionflow set to Off - and you like the results...

 

However, in your updated calibration post of just 8 days ago, 2/4/14 - it states that you have your Motionflow set to Standard...

 

So your settings have changed...?

 

Fair question.  Motionflow is a difficult setting to understand, because its effect seems to be varying depending on the source, and the type of content.  While watching HD broadcasts from DirecTV, I have noticed some judder with Motionflow set to standard.  In my continuing quest to find the right setting, I am currently running with it set to Off.  I haven't watched any Blu-ray movies since making this latest change, so I'm not sure I have it right yet.  The correct answer may be to use different picture memories for different settings, depending on source.  That is actually a common practice, especially for 3D sources.

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on the italian Sony website the changelog reffered to the last update PKG4.201EUB says: "Improves the Skype login".

nothing else.

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Originally Posted by falconhawke View Post

"Still could use this information from ANYBODY?


My omni mount has a part that gets mounted to the wall, has to match the studs, and and their web page calls out the vertical dimensions,

Sony calls out their dimensions on their specs, if you don't have the TV….

People are generally very helpful here but, and I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have one of these TVs to measure it yourself, why do you care? I find this odd…

-jj
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Fair question.  Motionflow is a difficult setting to understand…

I second that! On the S&M test disk, it's easy to see differences with a 1080p24 image,

In real life (Directv and BD) i don't see any difference for most of the motion flow settings.

Impluse is very dark, Smooth gives a fake 3d sort of look, but motion flow Clear is what I use when Im not using Standard which looks the same as….

CineMotion has no effect on anything that I can tell either; on "real" sources. Can you find some test to show a difference? I bet you can. And while I have no doubt that 240Hz matters to somebody, local dimming and 4096 vs 3840 so on to others , etc, etc, etc, but this is IMHO the only set to own.

Even if it did cost me $4k just to watch beer commercials in 1080p, I love this set and have never seen a picture that -I- like better. It's one of the few reliable joys in my daily life. Right up there with yuppy coffee first thing in the morning and smoked ribs Saturday afternoon….

Truly.
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

My omni mount has a part that gets mounted to the wall, has to match the studs, and and their web page calls out the vertical dimensions,

Sony calls out their dimensions on their specs, if you don't have the TV….

People are generally very helpful here but, and I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have one of these TVs to measure it yourself, why do you care? I find this odd…

-jj

@Falconhawke. I was actually in the same situation you are in before I purchased the X900. I went to a retailer hich had a demo display on the floor and took measurements off that set. Of course, if you don't have a local retailer, this suggestion won't help. I would like to provide the measurements for you, but my display is already wall- mounted, and uninstalling it just to get dimensions is unreasonable.
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