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post #5461 of 7316
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

I read this -VERY INTERESTING- link that Geoff posted

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005-201312273528.htm

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the HDTVtest link says that the set has some "interesting" effect where some small amount of de-noising is turned on, in 4K, when the subject moves. This does not happen when the set is in GAMING mode. Anybody calibrate their set and so on, in GAME mode and see this effect?

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Finally, the review has pictures conclusively showing the set does NOT do 1080p single pixel lines unless Master in 4K is on. Very interesting. Any comments about that?

I'm not noticing anything appreciable in game mode with my X1 but since it doesn't bother anything else I don't see why I wouldn't keep it applied for HDMI 4, unless I'm missing something.
(Edit: maybe I see more freckles lol)
Can someone describe what '1080p single pixel lines' is ?
post #5462 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

you answered your own question: try either of their settings..

Not really as Geoff has stated he has a 55, which is a different panel to the 65.
post #5463 of 7316
I know we have discussed this before, but is there any way to get the tv to natively output either 7.1 or MA audio, when the "source" contains it?

I like to stream videos from my dlna server, and I always have to do it through my BD player to get that output; it would be nice if the TV could somehow output that when the source file is encoded that way..

thanks
post #5464 of 7316

Anyone care to comment on the complaints that the X900A is not bight enough?

post #5465 of 7316
its plenty bright...anyone who complains about that doesnt know how to adjust the setting properly..
post #5466 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

Anyone care to comment on the complaints that the X900A is not bight enough?

My backlight setting of 7 produces a measured Luminance of 42.5. The recommended Luminance for my lighting conditions is 40. I could increase the backlight three more notches to "Max", which is really bright. So, whoever told you this set isn't bright enough is trying to sell you a different brand.
post #5467 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

its plenty bright...anyone who complains about that doesnt know how to adjust the setting properly..

 

Well, according to Sony, the new X900B will be brighter - because of the complaints that the display was not bright enough...

 

?

 

I am coming from a Panasonic VT plasma - so when I saw the X900A - I was pleasantly surprised (maybe because it isn't as bright as other LED TVs?) and thought the picture looks more natural (and not like a neon cartoon) and closer to that of a plasma - and not an LED...

post #5468 of 7316
there are 5500 posts in this thread; please tell me how many complaints there are from people that say the tv isnt bright enough..

I dont know where you are getting your info from, but based on real world enthusiasts, that frequent AVS, that issue doesnt exist..
post #5469 of 7316
That is one issue LCD do not have, they are plenty bright.
post #5470 of 7316
I had raised a question about brightness just a few posts ago...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473062/official-sony-x9-xbr-55x900a-xbr-65x900a-owners-thread/5460#post_24362851

The 900B is suppose to be Active 3D and therefor is not using the polarized glasses / panels.

The 900A uses Passive 3D and therefor uses the polarized glasses / panels.

Will Sony's move to active 3D glasses in the 900B help create a brighter display for both 2D and 3D. I do not have a problem with the brightness and have a personal preference to passive glasses, but these two items might be related.
post #5471 of 7316
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Originally Posted by MultimediaGeek View Post

I had raised a question about brightness just a few posts ago...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473062/official-sony-x9-xbr-55x900a-xbr-65x900a-owners-thread/5460#post_24362851

The 900B is suppose to be Active 3D and therefor is not using the polarized glasses / panels.

The 900A uses Passive 3D and therefor uses the polarized glasses / panels.

Will Sony's move to active 3D glasses in the 900B help create a brighter display for both 2D and 3D. I do not have a problem with the brightness and have a personal preference to passive glasses, but these two items might be related.

How can active 3D create a brighter image for 2D? Brightness is measurable. My previous post stated that the X900 has a Luminance of 42.5 with a backlight setting of 7. How is this not bright enough? We need to focus on the facts, please.
post #5472 of 7316
Perhaps... I did not explain it well here.
My question was if the panel needed to create the passive 3D would also impact the 2d. I am also asking if passive panels are polarized and active panels are not, then would this impact the brightness.

If you still feel this is not related, then let me know and I will try to find out or learn the information from other means... which is what I thought this forum was about.
post #5473 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

there are 5500 posts in this thread; please tell me how many complaints there are from people that say the tv isnt bright enough..

I dont know where you are getting your info from, but based on real world enthusiasts, that frequent AVS, that issue doesnt exist..

 

OK, well, good to know it is not an issue!

 

I guess I misunderstood...

post #5474 of 7316
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Originally Posted by MultimediaGeek View Post

Perhaps... I did not explain it well here.
My question was if the panel needed to create the passive 3D would also impact the 2d. I am also asking if passive panels are polarized and active panels are not, then would this impact the brightness.

If you still feel this is not related, then let me know and I will try to find out or learn the information from other means... which is what I thought this forum was about.

I will defer to someone who understands panel technology better than I do.
post #5475 of 7316

OK... well, I am pretty much sold on the 65 X900...

 

And the Sony 5800ES AVR...

 

The AVR received the following firmware update on 2/4/14:

 

Adds support for the following HDMI® Version 2.0 specification for 4K/60p signals:
3840x2160p @ 59.94/60Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
3840x2160p @ 50Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
4096x2160p @ 59.94/60Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)
4096x2160p @ 50Hz (YCbCr 4:2:0 / 8bit only)

 

Does this mean that the AVR is now HDMI 2.0?


Edited by HDTVAV - 2/16/14 at 9:42pm
post #5476 of 7316
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Originally Posted by William Chiu View Post

You're right.
I just got off a chat with Netflix rep.
Super HD displayed on my Sony 4K screen means 1080p, not 2160p
Netflix says when it starts streaming (soon), it will say 2160p on my 4K screen.

You do realise that in all likelihood native 4k Netflix streaming won't be possible on this TV as it doesn't have a built in HEVC decoder?
post #5477 of 7316
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Originally Posted by MultimediaGeek View Post

Perhaps... I did not explain it well here.
My question was if the panel needed to create the passive 3D would also impact the 2d. I am also asking if passive panels are polarized and active panels are not, then would this impact the brightness.

If you still feel this is not related, then let me know and I will try to find out or learn the information from other means... which is what I thought this forum was about.

All LCD panels have polarized output (the LCD is sandwiched between 2 crossed linear polarizers).

The passive 3D panels add a film patterned retarder (FPR) so the light from the rows are alternately right and left circularly polarized.
The retarder film does not impact the brightness.
Passive 3D glasses block slightly more than half the incoming light (each eye sees every other row).

Active 3D glasses have an input polarizer (aligned with the output polarizer on the TV), a switching layer and an output polarizer.
If the shutters for each eye were open for 50% of the time, Active 3D would be close to passive 3D in brightness (about 10% less due to one more polarizer between the TV and the eyes).
In reality, due to the relatively slow switching times of the LCD display, the shutters are open for considerably less than 50% of the time, resulting in significantly dimmer pictures for active 3D.
post #5478 of 7316
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1516457/who-wants-more-resolution-color-with-john-schuermann-shawn-kelly

So are we able to get more than 8 bits of color given the discussion between John schuermann and shawn kelly on Deep Color Encoding or does this not apply to us?
post #5479 of 7316

If Vivid is not bright enough for you, then turn your light sensor off.  Its in the ECO menu under preferences.

post #5480 of 7316

Turn the light sensor off in ECO mode under preferences.  If you have already used vivid and want it brighter.

post #5481 of 7316
I have, in madness, chosen a Gracenote guide. Please, help me get my old guide back.confused.gif Have tried everything without result.

OH JOY! Found a way smile.gifsmile.gif
Edited by damsesenior - 2/17/14 at 10:00am
post #5482 of 7316
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

I read this -VERY INTERESTING- link that Geoff posted

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005-201312273528.htm

Reid and others have asked about "red lines" and/or motion artifacts. I don't notice them but In the review I noticed an off hand remark about

"Luma/Chroma bandwidth (2D Blu-ray) Full luma;
chroma horizontally blurred except in [Game] & [Graphics] mode
"

I wonder if this is the same problem.

I don't think so. They're simply saying that the chroma resolution isn't as good as it could be in the horizontal axis. Changing that won't help the panel's response time any.

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Also BZTR asked about flashing/flickering on highly detailed material, The HDTVTest link also has a link to a You tube that shows exactly that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SRr4JRnnvCk

I've tried all three variations of that pattern (24p, 30p, 60i) on the S&M 2nd ed. disc, and none of them show anything like that sort of noise in the the topmost bar when I use the Reality Creation. Perhaps something changed in the firmware since that video was taken, either that or matey's BD player was doing something seriously funky to the image.

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the HDTVtest link says that the set has some "interesting" effect where some small amount of de-noising is turned on, in 4K, when the subject moves. This does not happen when the set is in GAMING mode. Anybody calibrate their set and so on, in GAME mode and see this effect?

I've tried it with genuine 4K content and I can't see a difference when switching between those modes. If there is some kind of auto DNR going on there, it's extraordinarily slight.

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Finally, the review has pictures conclusively showing the set does NOT do 1080p single pixel lines unless Master in 4K is on. Very interesting. Any comments about that?

I've mentioned it several times already. tongue.gif
Edited by Geoff D - 2/17/14 at 4:09pm
post #5483 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

there are 5500 posts in this thread; please tell me how many complaints there are from people that say the tv isnt bright enough..

I dont know where you are getting your info from, but based on real world enthusiasts, that frequent AVS, that issue doesnt exist..
It's coming from Sony customer feedback. Look at the specs itself and description of the new 2014 sets. For the 900B It will be twice as bright as the 2013 model.
for the 950B It will be three times as bright. This is from Sony Corporate.
As you all know people are raving about the Samsung 65f9000 and how bright and crystal clear it is.
post #5484 of 7316
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Originally Posted by ashhos View Post


It's coming from Sony customer feedback. Look at the specs itself and description of the new 2014 sets. For the 900B It will be twice as bright as the 2013 model.
for the 950B It will be three times as bright. This is from Sony Corporate.
As you all know people are raving about the Samsung 65f9000 and how bright and crystal clear it is.

 

Yes, this is what I was referring to.....

post #5485 of 7316
glad to hear they are raving about it; this tv has no brightness issues, and everyone in this thread has/will confirm this..
post #5486 of 7316
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

glad to hear they are raving about it; this tv has no brightness issues, and everyone in this thread has/will confirm this..

 

Not to be a "prude"....

 

But if this TV has no brightness "issues" why would Sony make the new B version - twice as bright?

 

They obviously believe through research, and feedback, that this is what the consumer wants... correct?

post #5487 of 7316
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

Not to be a "prude"....

But if this TV has no brightness "issues" why would Sony make the new B version - twice as bright?

They obviously believe through research, and feedback, that this is what the consumer wants... correct?
Yeah! If you love plasmas and have a plasma tv you will not find the brightness an issue cuz U R accustom to that kind of picture. If you are coming from a Samsung tv and upgrading to the 900A you may find brightness an issue. I have a preference for Bright picture. These things are subjective and personal preference. The complaints are not from US alone, The European feedback also tells Sony that some people think the picture is not bright enough.
post #5488 of 7316
I can't imagine how someone can think this TV isn't bright enough. I could watch this wearing a welder's mask and it'd still be brighter than a plasma.
post #5489 of 7316
I still think several of you are missing the point. A properly-calibrated display (LED or Plasma) should have an output properly set with the appropriate Lumens (that is why it is called Luminance). For a typical dimly-lit viewing area, Luminance should be approximately 40. The X900 can output up to a Luminance of 55, which is well above the required value of 40.

So, it is conceivable that the new Sony panels might be brighter, but if the current panels are "bright enough", what is the point? Are you going to jack up the Luminance to torch-like levels just because you can? I am sure you have tried the "Vivid" picture setting. Was it pleasing? Perhaps I am missing something--can someone explain why a brighter display is either necessary, or a good thing?
post #5490 of 7316
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I still think several of you are missing the point. A properly-calibrated display (LED or Plasma) should have an output properly set with the appropriate Lumens (that is why it is called Luminance). For a typical dimly-lit viewing area, Luminance should be approximately 40. The X900 can output up to a Luminance of 55, which is well above the required value of 40.

So, it is conceivable that the new Sony panels might be brighter, but if the current panels are "bright enough", what is the point? Are you going to jack up the Luminance to torch-like levels just because you can? I am sure you have tried the "Vivid" picture setting. Was it pleasing? Perhaps I am missing something--can someone explain why a brighter display is either necessary, or a good thing?

 

Well, obviously Sony thinks it is what consumers want, no?

 

And the new B version is TWICE as bright as the A version...

 

So, someone must be asking for it...?

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