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post #661 of 7266
Thanks REKing... checked out the hometheater.com review...it is odd that they did not post their detailed calibrated settings for this tv. Typically they post their 2d and 3d settings! Thanks Flinchin for your settings as well...did you use a calibration disc (i.e. Disney WOW or Spears & Munson, etc)?
post #662 of 7266
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Originally Posted by SirPoon View Post

Thanks REKing... checked out the hometheater.com review...it is odd that they did not post their detailed calibrated settings for this tv. Typically they post their 2d and 3d settings! Thanks Flinchin for your settings as well...did you use a calibration disc (i.e. Disney WOW or Spears & Munson, etc)?

Wow, Spears, and DVE
post #663 of 7266
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Originally Posted by SirPoon View Post

Thanks REKing... checked out the hometheater.com review...it is odd that they did not post their detailed calibrated settings for this tv. Typically they post their 2d and 3d settings! Thanks Flinchin for your settings as well...did you use a calibration disc (i.e. Disney WOW or Spears & Munson, etc)?

BTW - I'm using the same settings, except Backlight and Contrast bumped up to max for 3d, haven't test that much yet.
post #664 of 7266
Advise from some people that have all the UHD TVs released (also pre release models) and do extensive testing of 4K material.
They say that the most important when watching real 4K material is to turn down Sharpening to Zero. This goes for all the UHD TV sets.
post #665 of 7266
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

Advise from some people that have all the UHD TVs released (also pre release models) and do extensive testing of 4K material.
They say that the most important when watching real 4K material is to turn down Sharpening to Zero. This goes for all the UHD TV sets.

I tried this on a dot/focus test and it did screwy things (blooming?) to the pixels under about 10.
post #666 of 7266
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Originally Posted by Ziegler View Post

ak97I am happy with the new speakers and the fact they are attached makes for a good looking TV . But if you've ever watched video footage shot at 24 FPS with a camcorder, it look terrible - like a fast strobe .
Bingo! If you freeze frame it during motion you will see that there is no motion blur due to the fact that most camcorders when recording 24 fps use a HIGH shutter speed. That is the enemy of 24 fps. You NEED motion blur for 24 fps to look semi-natural. Check out the movie "Crank" with Jason Statham. It also looks like a strobe even though it is a 24 fps presentation. The reason it looks like that is deliberate on the director's part and fits in well with the manic non-stop action of the film. It was done the same way as your camcorder - using a very high shutter speed, which again can easily be confirmed by freeze framing during fast action. Pause and you will see a perfectly frozen frame with no noticeable blurring. Virtually all 24 fps movies have tons of blur inherent in them whenever there is motion. That is also one of the reasons directors pan v-e-r-y slowly because otherwise, the blurring would be almost unwatchable - E.g. the infamous card scene in Casino Royale.
post #667 of 7266
I got service call confirmation (for X1) for Monday morning. The rep down here in SoFL said they received the boards from Sony yesterday afternoon, 36 of them. Hope the guys coming have their act together, I'd hate to be their first patient, but I think I'm looking at an "exploratory surgery" here.

Without sounding like I'm defending Sony, this has got to be costing them a lot to swap out circuit boards.

Also it's somewhat irresponsible for Sony to schedule dates and then not have the part either ready to ship or already at the installer.
post #668 of 7266
Hmm... I had a Monday morning appointment but they called me yesterday (Friday) to reschedule to Tuesday because they didn't have the parts.... also in South Florida. *sigh* maybe I won't be the guinea pig on this one and by the time they get to me on Tuesday they'll have some kinks worked out?
post #669 of 7266
They may have started to push out schedule dates on their calendar - in Chicago area here and last night I scheduled for next Fri, (next available). Got the followup call pretty soon after that and they said the tech would call me on Fri with the time they will be here.

I'm really concerned that the work will mess something else up.
I don't even like the 10 movies on this thing much. Am I the only one who just wants 4k content ? smile.gif
post #670 of 7266
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

I'm really concerned that the work will mess something else up. I don't even like the 10 movies on this thing much. Am I the only one who just wants 4k content ? smile.gif

I understand your concern, I have them too, but this company has a good service reputation, with me at least.

Several years ago, a Kabletown service guy mashed the HDMI input connector on my month old XBR5. I scheduled a Sony service call, set came apart quickly and new board was put in. This is essentially the same procedure, and I'll be sitting there watching the events unfold. BTW, I insisted Comcast was going to pay for this repair, and the Sony guy did it as "warranty" so Kabletown clown got off the hook easy.

As for content, you're 100% on the mark. The movies sorta blow for the most part other than hopefully looking "outstanding." Not only do I want to see it knock my socks off in my own home, but the offer of $200 reduced price, and the $100 gift card made it a lot more palatable. Plus, it's going to need the HDMI board sooner or later, so if Sony is offering, I figured I'd bite.
post #671 of 7266
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

. Plus, it's going to need the HDMI board sooner or later, so if Sony is offering, I figured I'd bite.

Without the X1, why would the port board need to be updated?
post #672 of 7266
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

I understand your concern, I have them too, but this company has a good service reputation, with me at least.

Several years ago, a Kabletown service guy mashed the HDMI input connector on my month old XBR5. I scheduled a Sony service call, set came apart quickly and new board was put in. This is essentially the same procedure, and I'll be sitting there watching the events unfold. BTW, I insisted Comcast was going to pay for this repair, and the Sony guy did it as "warranty" so Kabletown clown got off the hook easy.

As for content, you're 100% on the mark. The movies sorta blow for the most part other than hopefully looking "outstanding." Not only do I want to see it knock my socks off in my own home, but the offer of $200 reduced price, and the $100 gift card made it a lot more palatable. Plus, it's going to need the HDMI board sooner or later, so if Sony is offering, I figured I'd bite.


I thought the X1 has the same movies we have in the Dell? If so, "Lawrence...." blows???eek.gif (Hopefully it also contains all the independent video content and photo slide shows in 4k.)



Jim
post #673 of 7266
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

Without the X1, why would the port board need to be updated?

I meant that holding off on purchasing the X1 not only loses the rebate offer (and maybe the $100 gift card) but I'd see the whole contraption being more interesting after the entertaiment network is up in the fall. The board would need to be placed in the set at some point in the future, and who knows how long Sony's generosity is going to last.
post #674 of 7266
I do hope either through this repair process or by default, the new game consoles will go into HDMI 1,2,3 without issues.
post #675 of 7266
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

I do hope either through this repair process or by default, the new game consoles will go into HDMI 1,2,3 without issues.

Or any future components - I spent a lot on this set and I don't/won't buy another TV for years.
post #676 of 7266
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

I thought the X1 has the same movies we have in the Dell? If so, "Lawrence...." blows???eek.gif (Hopefully it also contains all the independent video content and photo slide shows in 4k.)

Jim

I don't believe "Lawrence of Arabia" is included in the 10 bundled X1 movies. Also I understand the remastering of that film was less than terrific. It is also in 2:20 : 1 which while being spectacular in a huge theater, is going to resemble a bandaid on even a large screen television. Take it from someone who in 1974 watched (and maybe even transferred) "The Sting" to videotape, compressed for 1:85 : 1 and viewed on a 12" Sony Trinitron.

ETA: "Bridge on the River Kwai" (2:55 : 1) is on the X1, and from what I'm hearing, is also a mediocre remastering.
Edited by LeeSoFl - 7/13/13 at 5:57am
post #677 of 7266
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

I don't believe "Lawrence of Arabia" is included in the 10 bundled X1 movies. Also I understand the remastering of that film was less than terrific. It is also in 2:20 : 1 which while being spectacular in a huge theater, is going to resemble a bandaid on even a large screen television. Take it from someone who in 1974 watched (and maybe even transferred) "The Sting" to videotape, compressed for 1:85 : 1 and viewed on a 12" Sony Trinitron.

ETA: "Bridge on the River Kwai" (2:55 : 1) is on the X1, and from what I'm hearing, is also a mediocre remastering.

"Lawrence of Arabia" is on the Dell and an excellent transfer and looks terrific. "Bridge on the River Kwai" not a good transfer, looks grainy much like "Taxi" does but "Taxi" was meant to look grainy and gritty as the director intended.
post #678 of 7266
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Originally Posted by LeeSoFl View Post

I don't believe "Lawrence of Arabia" is included in the 10 bundled X1 movies. Also I understand the remastering of that film was less than terrific. It is also in 2:20 : 1 which while being spectacular in a huge theater, is going to resemble a bandaid on even a large screen television. Take it from someone who in 1974 watched (and maybe even transferred) "The Sting" to videotape, compressed for 1:85 : 1 and viewed on a 12" Sony Trinitron.

ETA: "Bridge on the River Kwai" (2:55 : 1) is on the X1, and from what I'm hearing, is also a mediocre remastering.




Okay, that explains it!smile.gif As dreaux said, the 4K transfer we have on the Dell is excellent, best I've personally ever seen (but I get the bandaid comment).


Jim
post #679 of 7266
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Originally Posted by SirPoon View Post

Thanks REKing... checked out the hometheater.com review...it is odd that they did not post their detailed calibrated settings for this tv. Typically they post their 2d and 3d settings! Thanks Flinchin for your settings as well...did you use a calibration disc (i.e. Disney WOW or Spears & Munson, etc)?

It's one of the poorest reviews from Hometheater. Almost as if they didn't want to bother with the review.
post #680 of 7266
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

"Lawrence of Arabia" is on the Dell and an excellent transfer and looks terrific. "Bridge on the River Kwai" not a good transfer, looks grainy much like "Taxi" does but "Taxi" was meant to look grainy and gritty as the director intended.
From my experience, a lot depends on the age of the film and the generation of the print. Obviously, the closer you can get to the original master, the better the potential result. I've seen lots of older movies re-released for blu-ray and a lot of them don't even look as sharp as a modern 720P presentation. Sure, some of them were sloppy rushed version - E.g. the first "5th Element" with pops and scratches and film jitter a plenty, but even the subsequent release, while looking MUCH BETTER, is not particularly sharp.
post #681 of 7266
I think it helps too if the film was shot in 70mm and they have access to the original or a very good print. A number of films were shot in the early 60's on 70mm Todd-AO look terrific on blu-ray.
Movies like "Cleopatra" (50th Anniversary), Ben-Hur, and "West side Story" look razor sharp on my Sony and Oppo 103.

Another film to watch on the Sony 4K is "Samsara", a 70mm production, and of course "life of Pi" which also is an excellent transfer.
Edited by dreaux - 7/13/13 at 12:35pm
post #682 of 7266
Kwai is a 35mm anamorphic show which has a fair few opticals, and the original elements weren't in the best of shape IIRC. The same is true for The Guns of Navarone. They've both been remastered to look as good as possible given the constraints of the source material. What they won't look like is Lawrence or Ben Hur, so please adjust your expectations accordingly. Lawrence looks incredible on upscaled Blu-ray on the 55X9, so the actual 4K version must be heavenly. Though I must admit to being surprised that Kwai is one Sony's bundled X1 titles, given its obvious shortcomings.
post #683 of 7266
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post


Another film to watch on the Sony 4K is "Samsara", a 70mm production, and of course "life of Pi" which also is an excellent transfer.
Life of Pi was shot digital so it won't be a transfer.
It was shot on Arri Alexa, and PACE Fusion 3-D, so this maxes out at 2.8K for the Live-Shot elements. The extensive CGI was created in 2K. The post production was done on a 2K DI.
If this will ever be released in 4K, it will be an Up-Convert.

Just as an example of the many movies that will be Up-Converts because they where shot and post produced in the low 2K resolution when they could have "future-proofed" themselves by shooting for 4K.
Non of these movies are Sony Pictures anyway, so we won't see them on the FMP-1X very soon or ever.

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post #684 of 7266
I tried these settings on my 65" and I have to say they are pretty good. But the room needs to be completely dark which I don't mind because I like to watch movies in complete darkness.
post #685 of 7266
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

Manufactured less than a month ago and still old hdmi boards. Am I the only one who thinks this whole process is fairly ridiculous? These sets cost enough that these measures are obtrusively frustrating. And who knows what may break when they dig into the set to do this? I can imagine this board will have at least a few people complaining that their set was never the same after this socalled premium service- heh

No you are not the only one who thinks this whole process is fairly ridiculous.smile.gif Count me in. I almost pulled the trigger on a 65" last week, but the more I read here the more my conscious is telling me to wait until all this is settled and to possibly wait and see the offerings from other manufacturers.
post #686 of 7266
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

No you are not the only one who thinks this whole process is fairly ridiculous.smile.gif Count me in. I almost pulled the trigger on a 65" last week, but the more I read here the more my conscious is telling me to wait until all this is settled and to possibly wait and see the offerings from other manufacturers.

You should definitely wait until HDMI 2.0 or at least wait for Sony to offer an easier upgrade solution like Samsung's play and play Evolution kits.
post #687 of 7266
If I didn't have the 65" now I would wait. Samsung is coming out with their 4K and perhaps even better Sharp is coming out with a THX certified 70" 4K. Bigger is always better with 4K. I read somewhere in these forums someone waiting for a 40" 4K set for their home. That's crazy you're not going to be able to appreciate the difference between 2K and 4K on a screen that size. On these smaller sets 720p and 1080p is hard to differentiate.
post #688 of 7266
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post


Another film to watch on the Sony 4K is "Samsara", a 70mm production, and of course "life of Pi" which also is an excellent transfer.
Life of Pi was shot digital so it won't be a transfer.
It was shot on Arri Alexa, and PACE Fusion 3-D, so this maxes out at 2.8K for the Live-Shot elements.

 

The Alexa can supply 3.5K raw.

 

Besides, if you can always re-render CGI at any resolution you want, no?  There's hardly any up-convert issue here at all to 4K, unless I'm missing something big.


Edited by tgm1024 - 7/14/13 at 10:53am
post #689 of 7266
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

I think it helps too if the film was shot in 70mm and they have access to the original or a very good print. A number of films were shot in the early 60's on 70mm Todd-AO look terrific on blu-ray.
Movies like "Cleopatra" (50th Anniversary), Ben-Hur, and "West side Story" look razor sharp on my Sony and Oppo 103.

Another film to watch on the Sony 4K is "Samsara", a 70mm production, and of course "life of Pi" which also is an excellent transfer.
Also "Sound of Music". It's pin sharp but with obvious film grain. It was shot on 70mm film as well. It would look spectacular in 4K.
post #690 of 7266
Unpacked my X1 in anticipation of getting it hooked up tomorrow. Does it thread left to right?

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