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post #91 of 7080
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I'd call them and return it. They should pick it up for free. Do you have any more pictures of the issue? It is kind of difficult to tell from your image.

Here's an inverted picture. Its tough to catch it on a non-pro camera.

post #92 of 7080
Here is an image of the clouding. It's enhanced a little. The top 4 clouds are what really pop out in dark scenes.



Here is a link to show what the banding/DSE is like on this TV. It's actually not very noticeable during viewing. Only when there are grayish scenes with pans does it really pop out. Scenes with sky, water, and grass it's barely visible.

http://youtu.be/yzUaDfne3NM


All of that aside, it's a great TV. The color is amazing. The motion is good and comparable to the HX950. You just have to dial in the settings and have a good source, like blu-ray. Compressed sources like Directv have a lot of judder and I can see where people would have a problem. I'll likely be returning mine for the above reasons and the fact that the HDMI 2.0/60hz thing spooked me. I was an early adopter of HD and had the 350lb 65" with only a component-in connection. Then came DVI, then HDMI. I feel like that is what the HDMI 1.4 4k TVs are. They'll come out with the new 60Hz 4k next year, and so on, and so on. Keep us all "needing" to stay current.
Edited by mbart11 - 5/24/13 at 2:54pm
post #93 of 7080
Aren't people concerned these sets don't have hdmi 2.0 and native 4k blu rays won't even play on current 4k sets?

And I don't get this 120 hz obsession who cares 120hz is going to be nearly identical to 240hz maybe the tv has a lousy response time? Plasmas uses 60 hz displays and it's phenomenal due to it's .001 ms response time.
Edited by ComputerTech0903 - 5/24/13 at 5:32pm
post #94 of 7080
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Originally Posted by bluecamp View Post

If you have the set, go to YouTube and search "4K".
I did and downloaded 2 magnificent 4K videos:
Sintel and Honey Bees 96fps - one of the guys says that YouTube won't actually play at 4K. You have to download "ORIGINAL" size to your computer. I did that and my VLC player identified them as 4K resolution. Now I only need a 4K TV or monitor to watch them????
post #95 of 7080
My response from Sony support regarding my tvs inability to connect thru the Lan was not encouraging. After jumping thru a bunch of hoops they asked to check the software, then tell me it needs to be updated. On a brand new product bought on the release date?
I get told I can download it. Then I get told can't do that, they will send me an update on a flash drive. Then I get told they can't do that but that it should be updated through the internet. But I can't get the tv online. After 36 minutes with this person I was told I am getting handed off to someone else in support, higher up. But, no one picks up the phone.
So finally, I call the salesperson I purchased the tv from, a nice guy, and tell him he has one day to bring me another tv that works or I want my money back.

So I may not be an XBR owner much longer.
post #96 of 7080
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Originally Posted by saxguy View Post

Can someone tell me how much space is under the TV when the stand is attached? I want to leave my apple TV under the set and leave an HDMI and Network cable near the set if the 2.1" high Sony 4K player will be able to sit under the edge of the TV.

I have the 55, and both an apple tv and a Tivo mini fit underneath perfectly. don't have a Measurement offhand, but aesthetically it works very well with no obvious gap
post #97 of 7080
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

I just got my 65" 4K delivered.

How do you get the tv to upconvert the signal to 4k? I thought it did this automatically?

Are there special HDMI cables needed to display 4K?
So how are you liking it so far ? The upconversion should happen on its own, all tv's that I know of upconvert to it native resolution. Do not think for a second that this will actually make the picture quality better. Depends on the quality of the material coming thru. You start with junk, you end up with junk. Standard cables should be fine, as long as they are "descent" cables.
post #98 of 7080
DirecTV has lots of compression - very apparent on this set. 3D is incredible - no loss of detail as far as I can see, but I wouldn't expect there to be as even half of 4K is 2K. Still have to play around with the settings. What I'm trying to figure out is if I can use my HT setup for the audio on the streaming content from the set through the HDMI cable that's connected to the processor (Marantz AV8801). If anyone knows it would save me some time.
post #99 of 7080
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

So how are you liking it so far ? The upconversion should happen on its own, all tv's that I know of upconvert to it native resolution. Do not think for a second that this will actually make the picture quality better. Depends on the quality of the material coming thru. You start with junk, you end up with junk. Standard cables should be fine, as long as they are "descent" cables.

I've noticed a little bit of clouding like MBart11 has. I've also noticed last night when watching 3D off DirecTV that there was yellow vertical lines all over the screen. This sounds like it must be
where the resolution on passive 3D gets cut in half? I thought that this set would automatically upconvert the 3D to prevent this problem? Maybe I have a defective set?

One other question I have is the 'mastered in 4K' movies. I bought Taxi Driver and am playing it on my PS3. It doesn't upconvert the movie to 4k and the Mastered in 4k option is greyed out on the TV.
Do I need a special bluray player to see the 4k resolution on these movies?

Thanks.
post #100 of 7080
I think you might need the S790 or anothert player that can do 4K to see the 4K BR, but I'm not sure.

You may have a defective set - I was watching channel 107, I think, last night and saw no issues with 3D at all. Also I watched the IMAX Under the Sea and it was stellar.
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post #102 of 7080
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Originally Posted by saxguy View Post

DirecTV has lots of compression - very apparent on this set. 3D is incredible - no loss of detail as far as I can see, but I wouldn't expect there to be as even half of 4K is 2K. Still have to play around with the settings. What I'm trying to figure out is if I can use my HT setup for the audio on the streaming content from the set through the HDMI cable that's connected to the processor (Marantz AV8801). If anyone knows it would save me some time.

Connect your avr out to the HDMI 1 on your TV. This is the ARC. Then enable audio return on your avr.
post #103 of 7080
Thanks, much appreciated.
post #104 of 7080
Had the same problem,except sony 5800. Changed cables and it worked fine. Not all cables are created equal.

See this article, rest of white papers on site are really good with HDMI cables

http://www.kordz.com/documents/167.
I just love this Tv with the sony 5800 and the sony blue ray player. I just works.
post #105 of 7080
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post

Aren't people concerned these sets don't have hdmi 2.0 and native 4k blu rays won't even play on current 4k sets?

And I don't get this 120 hz obsession who cares 120hz is going to be nearly identical to 240hz maybe the tv has a lousy response time? Plasmas uses 60 hz displays and it's phenomenal due to it's .001 ms response time.

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Originally Posted by y2j View Post


One other question I have is the 'mastered in 4K' movies. I bought Taxi Driver and am playing it on my PS3. It doesn't upconvert the movie to 4k and the Mastered in 4k option is greyed out on the TV.
Do I need a special bluray player to see the 4k resolution on these movies?

Thanks.

Just to clarify for everyone. The "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Ray's are not actually 4K Blu-Ray's. They are, quite literally, "Mastered in 4K". They are output in 1080p, and the TV upconverts them.

Also, ComputerTech, native 4K Blu-Ray's don't even exist. How can you be sure that they won't play on current 4K sets? The only limitation would be that the max framerate over HDMI 1.4 is 30 frames. This is adequate for BD, since they will typically play at 24 frames.
post #106 of 7080
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=100803&storeId=20153&langId=200&productId=8198552921666519131#features

Looked through all the info, and less I missed it, saw no reference to how many Hz it was.

The info is not on their site. It is 120Hz though. According to Sony. If they were going to lie about it, I'm sure they wouldn't claim less than it actually is.
post #107 of 7080
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post


Just to clarify for everyone. The "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Ray's are not actually 4K Blu-Ray's. They are, quite literally, "Mastered in 4K". They are output in 1080p, and the TV upconverts them.

Also, ComputerTech, native 4K Blu-Ray's don't even exist. How can you be sure that they won't play on current 4K sets? The only limitation would be that the max framerate over HDMI 1.4 is 30 frames. This is adequate for BD, since they will typically play at 24 frames.

That "4K master" for Ghostbusters is insulting. All us who already owned the Blu ray have had a copy from a flawed source. The "4K" edition uses a whole new source that has much better clarity and contrast has been adjusted. Somehow I feel like these "4K mastered" releases are basically going through movies and fixing the previous poor mastering jobs.

Criterion uses 4K scans for its Blu ray releases, but it does not advertise it because well, companies should strive to do the best work they can the first time around, not have to go back and fix it again under a new label.

Heck, Baraka and Gone With The Wind were mastered in 8K for their Blu ray releases.

If you want to see a amazing 4K master right now, check out Taxi Driver on Blu ray. It's phenomenal to say the least and one of the best looking Blu ray movies ever released.
post #108 of 7080
This review confirmed my observation. this tv is no doubt a great one but not sure if it is really worth it for getting the smaller sizes other than the 85 inches. this is similar like getting a expensive 1080P 40 inch vs a cheaper 720P 40inch, the benefit simply not there. Passive 3d still very attractive to me though, but I think I will keep my sharp Elite for now, unless other owners who has other high end models in their home can find advantage for sony after doing side by side comparison.
post #109 of 7080
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Originally Posted by jh87 View Post

This review confirmed my observation. this tv is no doubt a great one but not sure if it is really worth it for getting the smaller sizes other than the 85 inches. this is similar like getting a expensive 1080P 40 inch vs a cheaper 720P 40inch, the benefit simply not there. Passive 3d still very attractive to me though, but I think I will keep my sharp Elite for now, unless other owners who has other high end models in their home can find advantage for sony after doing side by side comparison.

I've had the Pioneer Elite Kuro 60" 150 for a few years and really like the picture. I looked at the Sharp Elite about 6 months ago to help a friend make a purchasing decision. I was very impressed with the set and actually like it better than my Pioneer, but couldn't justify spending the money when I had such a good set. 

 

When the Sony 4K came out, I decided it was time for a new display and went to look it. It was OK, but I just frankly wasn't blown away by it. It certainly didn't have the kiind of impressive picture I recalled from the Sharp Elite. Contrast, black levels, and 1080p detail just weren't that impressive. I knew the Sharp Elite was going to be discontinued, but decided to give it another look. It took all of 10 minutes of viewing the same Blu ray movies that I viewed on the Sony 4K to know that the Sharp Elite was the display I really wanted. Except for a 4K source, it was so much better than the Sony. After 3 or 4 weeks with it, I continue to be amazed at the quality of the picture. BTW, those side speakers with their reflections on the Sony 4K are a real turn off for me.

post #110 of 7080
I was looking to go with either the ZT60, Sony 4k, or Rose Gold, but with Samsung 4k - sans baggage speakers - reportedly slated for a June release it looks like I will be taking my finger of the trigger - for now. One question though; the blacks in the Alicia Keys demo on the Sony 4k where horrid; was this just an anomaly, or an accurate representation of how Sony's XBR X900a handles darker scenes?

Additionally; reports are coming in that the Samsung 4k upgrade kit will include a path to HDMI 2.0; that Sony Sales Reps are hinting they too will be offering a similar upgrade to their X900A customers?
Edited by REKing - 5/26/13 at 9:54am
post #111 of 7080
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snigggles View Post

I've had the Pioneer Elite Kuro 60" 150 for a few years and really like the picture. I looked at the Sharp Elite about 6 months ago to help a friend make a purchasing decision. I was very impressed with the set and actually like it better than my Pioneer, but couldn't justify spending the money when I had such a good set. 

When the Sony 4K came out, I decided it was time for a new display and went to look it. It was OK, but I just frankly wasn't blown away by it. It certainly didn't have the kiind of impressive picture I recalled from the Sharp Elite. Contrast, black levels, and 1080p detail just weren't that impressive. I knew the Sharp Elite was going to be discontinued, but decided to give it another look. It took all of 10 minutes of viewing the same Blu ray movies that I viewed on the Sony 4K to know that the Sharp Elite was the display I really wanted. Except for a 4K source, it was so much better than the Sony. After 3 or 4 weeks with it, I continue to be amazed at the quality of the picture. BTW, those side speakers with their reflections on the Sony 4K are a real turn off for me.

I feel the opposite. I have a Pioneerr Elite 141FD and wasn't that impressed with the Sharp Elite. It was fine for people that wanted a great display, but didn't already have a Pionner Elite. Definitely didn't give me the urge to upgrade. But then I saw the Sony 4K set. Truly a gorgeous set. I left very impressed with its PQ. The only concern I have with it is that it only uses HDMI 1.4 and obviously the issue of no native 4K sources. If next year Sony can come out with an HMDI 2.0 equipped 4K 84" set for under $10k, I think I'd have to jump all over it.
Edited by LaoChe - 5/26/13 at 8:46am
post #112 of 7080
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Originally Posted by vaxick View Post

That "4K master" for Ghostbusters is insulting. All us who already owned the Blu ray have had a copy from a flawed source. The "4K" edition uses a whole new source that has much better clarity and contrast has been adjusted. Somehow I feel like these "4K mastered" releases are basically going through movies and fixing the previous poor mastering jobs.

Criterion uses 4K scans for its Blu ray releases, but it does not advertise it because well, companies should strive to do the best work they can the first time around, not have to go back and fix it again under a new label.

Heck, Baraka and Gone With The Wind were mastered in 8K for their Blu ray releases.

If you want to see a amazing 4K master right now, check out Taxi Driver on Blu ray. It's phenomenal to say the least and one of the best looking Blu ray movies ever released.
Reminds me of last year when I found out that my rushed crappy BR "The 5th Element" was re-released - all cleaned up, scratches gone, contrast and color improved, and frame jitter gone. I phoned Sony, who released it, and they said "No problem - just mail us the original disc and we'll send you the new cleaned up version". WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Don't know if it was remastered in 4K but it sure looks like it.
I have a few other blu-ray discs that have severely disappointed me but 5th Element has always been one of my favorites so I was especially disappointed there.
Reminds me also of when Blade Runner was released on DVD back in the late 90's. It was among the first batch of DVD's available and it was A MESS!!!!!! The later 5 disc BR special edition was a real treat and shows how good older films can look if properly restored - again, not sure if 4K sampled but wouldn't be surprised.
Edited by billdag - 5/26/13 at 1:39pm
post #113 of 7080
I just want to be clear and hear back from some of the owners that have this T.V. and have a PC hooked up to it. I have a very high end gaming PC and from what I have been hearing is that I should be able to output to the full native resolution 2160p, but it will be limited to 30fps??? Is it a limitation of the set or HDMI? Why did they not add in a Display Port to the set? I am ready to pull the trigger on the set, but only if I can get the max resolution and 60fps.
post #114 of 7080
Actually, another question for those with this set and a PC. Is it possible to run it at 1440p? From what I am reading and I apologize if is it obvious, that this TV also displays 1080p as well as it's high end resolution, but can it also display 1440p full screen? Because if it can, I may be a buyer. I recently tested 1440p monitors with my PC and it is amazing looking compared to 1080p, but I just can't come to terms with the limitations of the screen size of the computer monitors as I have my PC Rig next to my XBR929 55" HDTV.

I would appreciate anyone that has this set and a PC hooked up to it to see if you can run it at 2560x1440p.

Thanks!
post #115 of 7080
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon View Post

I just want to be clear and hear back from some of the owners that have this T.V. and have a PC hooked up to it. I have a very high end gaming PC and from what I have been hearing is that I should be able to output to the full native resolution 2160p, but it will be limited to 30fps??? Is it a limitation of the set or HDMI? Why did they not add in a Display Port to the set? I am ready to pull the trigger on the set, but only if I can get the max resolution and 60fps.

The 30 frame limit is due to the HDMI 1.4 spec. That would be a limit for this TV. If gaming is your goal, just wait 4-5 months or so and there will be other options that do not have this limitation.
post #116 of 7080
Hi everyone! Glad to see that all (or most) of you all are really enjoying your new 4K TV's!smile.gif That's awesome!

While I don't own the Sony, I am really enjoying my LG 84" 4K TV.smile.gif And being that these Sony's are also passive 3D, which titles do you all think look the best on your TV's? Which is best overall for PQ, and a combination of excellent depth and pop out effects? Life of Pi, Avatar, Jurassic Park, Journey to the Center of the Earth are all some reference examples.
post #117 of 7080
I see another (2nd in the past week) firmware update. Any idea what is included in either?
post #118 of 7080
Received my new XBR55x900A and have a question regarding surround sound settings. The marketing literature says this set has simulated surround sound (S Force 3d). But how do I turn on this function?

I could not find any sound settings or options to invoke the surround sound mode. I have tried all the "scene" settings and as far as I can discern, the surround sound effect is not present-including those network programs that are 5.1

++++update 5/31/13++++++++++++++++++++
Got Sony tech support to answer the question regarding "surround sound". It appears you select surround sound by selecting "cinema" in the sound setting. It then switches on the S Force 3D. The 55 and 65 X900 models sound menu is different than the 84 model which has very obvious surround sound settings. If you select any sound scheme other than "cinema", the surround sound circuits are turned off.

The tech also reported that exporting 5.1 sound via the optical path from the TV only works if you select audio to external vice TV speakers. You can access that selection via the option button on your remote
Edited by donaldm823 - 6/1/13 at 7:28am
post #119 of 7080
Just received my 3 free "Mastered in 4K" Blue-Ray disks from Sony (rebate that comes with this TV)(www.sony.com/regsitermy4k). Received Ghostbusters, Spiderman, and Angels&Demons. As far as I can tell the quality of the picture is the same as my regular BlueRay disks (superb picture!). Is the "Mastered in 4K" just a marketing ploy?
post #120 of 7080
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Originally Posted by donaldm823 View Post

Just received my 3 free "Mastered in 4K" Blue-Ray disks from Sony (rebate that comes with this TV)(www.sony.com/regsitermy4k). Received Ghostbusters, Spiderman, and Angels&Demons. As far as I can tell the quality of the picture is the same as my regular BlueRay disks (superb picture!). Is the "Mastered in 4K" just a marketing ploy?

Ghostbusters is the only one that had a noticeable change in contrast and clarity. Not major, but visible if you compare them side by side. Yes, though, it is just a buzz word to put on the cases. A lot of movies have been mastered in 4K and some have been even mastered in 8K.

He's the Spiderman one btw. It has slightly more clarity, that's about it. Irony is the original Blu ray release was mastered in 4K.

Original Blu ray release.

http://postimg.org/image/ehd9n71wp/full/

4K Remaster release

http://postimg.org/image/bok2361k9/full/
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