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JVC X35 or SONY HW50?

post #1 of 29
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the distance from projector to the screen is about 5.0M and the sitting place is about 4.0M to the screen. I focus on 2D movie. Shall I choose HW50 or JVC X35. Some people recommend JVC for overall better performance and some others say HW50 is more bright?

Cheers
post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by fightclub View Post

the distance from projector to the screen is about 5.0M and the sitting place is about 4.0M to the screen. I focus on 2D movie. Shall I choose HW50 or JVC X35. Some people recommend JVC for overall better performance and some others say HW50 is more bright?

Cheers

What size screen do you plan on using and what will be the gain of the screen, or have you not selected the screen yet? Also is the room fully light controlled and are the ceiling and walls painted a dark color or a light color?
post #3 of 29
If it's 2D alone, I'd say the JVC X35 is the better choice. I think that the Mitsubishi HC5 is a better value and puts out a better picture than the HW50ES and costs quite a bit less. They're starting to become harder and harder to find but there are still some sellers out there with them in stock. I'd choose the HC5 over the X35 any day of the week unless you want the absolute best native contrast out there at or under the x35's price. The difference in native contrast isn't that far apart between the HC5 and X35 and when you take into consideration all the added benefits you gain with the use of Sony's latest LCOS chips being used in the Mitsubish it only sweetens the deal even more. Just some food for thought.
post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

What size screen do you plan on using and what will be the gain of the screen, or have you not selected the screen yet? Also is the room fully light controlled and are the ceiling and walls painted a dark color or a light color?

120-133 screen, normal white screen like grandview. ceiling and walls are a light color like white. thanks.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by fightclub View Post

the distance from projector to the screen is about 5.0M and the sitting place is about 4.0M to the screen. I focus on 2D movie. Shall I choose HW50 or JVC X35. Some people recommend JVC for overall better performance and some others say HW50 is more bright?

Cheers

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120-133 screen, normal white screen like grandview. ceiling and walls are a light color like white. thanks.

With that screen size range and a 5M throw distance either the JVC's or Sony's zoom will be set somewhere near the mid-point and the light output from the HW50 will be be nearly 300 lumens greater than the X35 with both calibrated for best picture (as per Projector Reviews measurements). If you have full light control in your room and you will be watching movies in near a totally dark room, then for 2D the JVC will have adequate lumens for a 120" gain 1.0 screen providing about 16+ foot Lamberts from the screen. However, you may find you need to change the lamp before you reach the norminal, rated end of life for the lamp. The Sony will certainly provide a brighter picture and if you do decide you want to watch some 3D the Sony would be the clear winner. Also you will probably get longer useful life from the Sony's lamp as you should be able to tolerate greater dimming of the lamp before the projector's light output will drop to the point you will consider unacceptable. With white walls and ceiling the blacks within a image can never be really great, regardless of the projector, when an image is being displayed that has some bright content. When the video has a total fade to black the colors of the walls/ceiling does not really matter if the room has no other light source beyond the projector. If you do go with the larger 133 inch, gain 1.0, screen then you could expect only about 13 ftL with a new lamp in the JVC (based on Projector Reviews lumens measurements) and about 18 ftL with the Sony. In this case I would certainly go with the Sony. All of the above numbers for ftL assume the screen fabric is a matte white with a gain 1.0. The minimum ftL generally suggested for a home theater is 12 ftL while 16 ftL is consider more ideal. If you were to go with a moderate gain screen material, such as the Stewart StudioTek 130, with a gain of 1.3, then you would have a little more flexibility in the projector choice for the larger screen size.
post #6 of 29
The Sony is the better fit his setup IMO. The Sony is much brighter, flawless motion, extremely sharp with RC and has excellent black levels. If he ever wants to watch a 3d flick or do some gaming the Sony is the clear winner.
post #7 of 29
I agree with Ron, if going with a 1.0-1.3 gain 133" or bigger screen I would go with the Sony because of its brighter image. Under 133" and a 1.0-1.3 gain screen and the excellent native contrast of the JVC for 2D movies can't be beat.

Mike
post #8 of 29
Mike, Hi, I am new to this. Most people say Sony for the bigger screen. Will it be worse on a smaller screen or is it that the JVC will be sufficient enough for the smaller screen?

Thanks
post #9 of 29
You could always buy a JVC model from last year which are a little brighter, though the lamps are not as good so it somewhat equals out.
You can get RC on the JVC (at least for blurays) just by buying a Sony bdp-s790.

Is it bright enough, well that depends on your tastes. It will definitely be way too dim for 3D on that screen size, but on Lamp High with the IRIS completely open, it will be ok on the JVC for a while. The IRIS being open on the JVC kind of defeats the purpose given how much on/off contrast you lose. The Sony is the better fit though since it is brighter.
post #10 of 29
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Mike, Hi, I am new to this. Most people say Sony for the bigger screen. Will it be worse on a smaller screen or is it that the JVC will be sufficient enough for the smaller screen?

Thanks

For a smaller screen definitely the JVC is better for 2D. I use a JVC RS40 on a 2.35 125" diagonal 1.2 gain screen and with 550 hours on lamp I am only getting about 9 ftL on normal lamp with iris 1/2 closed. If I turn my lamp to high and set iris to -3 I can get over 14 ftL. I find in my completely darkened home theater I don't need 14ftL to sacrifice contrast so I usually leave it on normal lamp with iris anywhere from -11 to -7 and I am happy with image brightness. As lamp ages more i will have to switch to high lamp and open iris more. The newer model's lamps aren't suppose to lose brightness as fast as my RS40's lamp though.

Mike
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by prosthion View Post

Mike, Hi, I am new to this. Most people say Sony for the bigger screen. Will it be worse on a smaller screen or is it that the JVC will be sufficient enough for the smaller screen?

Thanks

What's better or worse all depends on what your priorities are. The Sony has a full color management system, which is lacking on the JVC X35 (available on the more expensive JVC models) and as a result the Sony can be calibrated for more accurate colors. The JVC to its credit has much higher native contrast ratio and lower black levels, but the Sony has one of the best dynamic iris implementations on the market and as a result the Sony is actually very good in both CR and black levels. Also the Sony has a useful feature they call "reality creation" that provides dynamic detail enhancement while the X35 offers nothing similar. When properly setup the JVC generally has a better performing lens that provides very good focus over the entire image while the Sony HW50es is a little weak in this area.
post #12 of 29
The HW50 and RS46/X35 are not that different in 'best' mode D65 calibration. HW50 is ~1000, RS46 is ~900. This isn't a make / break situation for most setups.

HW50 has a CMS, but it's hardly necessary to use, it's very close to dead on out of the box. Same thing with the RS46, it's surprisingly close to R709 and has very good saturation tracking which is great compared to previous years.

RS46 is more naturally sharp, the lens is simply better than the one in the HW50. Reality creation makes up for this, but it does have some artifacts depending on the content.

Since the focus for the OP is 2D movies, imo the JVC is a good choice for this setup. it's also less expensive, so treat yourself to a Darbee VP for ~$300.
post #13 of 29
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Mike, Hi, I am new to this. Most people say Sony for the bigger screen. Will it be worse on a smaller screen or is it that the JVC will be sufficient enough for the smaller screen?

Thanks

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post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

You can get RC on the JVC (at least for blurays) just by buying a Sony bdp-s790.

Hey Coder, have you seen the RC on the S790? I know it is not called that in the 790 menu, but just curious if you can describe how it looks or any links? Trying to decide between a s790 or Oppo 103. I don't really need most of the extras the 103 has and more focused on any video performance. I really like my darbee and would be interesting to see what a RC could do on top of that? I like the $ of the 790 but if it doesn't really give much RC benefit I would just go the 103.
post #15 of 29
any jvc46\x35 owners out there with more than 1500 hours on lamp? How has the dimming been with these 230 watt lamps over time?

the other draw back is the lag I been hearing about. Like to hear how the xbox 360 does on this JVC model.

thank you for your time
Larry
post #16 of 29
projector central throw calculator for my setup. look at FL. is that accurate in real world? Seems the JVC would be plenty bright for 3D.

When it comes to 3D viewing is the RF emitter on JVC better than IR emitter on Sony?



post #17 of 29
You have a 144" 2.8 HP? I have a 142" 2.8 16:9 Cinema Contour that I had to get HP to make custom. Did you do the same?

Those #'s in the calculator are likely max advertised lumen out, the calibrated lumen output is going to be less than the advertised #'s. RS46 and HW50 are similar in 2D for D65 lumens. ~900-950 lumens, 16 feet from my screen.

If you can mount the projector for max gain on the HP, then both the RS46 and HW50 will be bright enough on that size screen for 3D. With the RS46, you can crank the iris down to -11 or -13 for excellent contrast in 2D.
post #18 of 29
The numbers from PJC do not look right for X35B. Either that or they list max advertized lumens for JVC vs optimized for HW50. One way or the other Sony should be brighter than JVC. Certainly JVC can not be 50% more lumens for same conditions as PJC is showing.
post #19 of 29
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You have a 144" 2.8 HP? I have a 142" 2.8 16:9 Cinema Contour that I had to get HP to make custom. Did you do the same?

Those #'s in the calculator are likely max advertised lumen out, the calibrated lumen output is going to be less than the advertised #'s. RS46 and HW50 are similar in 2D for D65 lumens. ~900-950 lumens, 16 feet from my screen.

If you can mount the projector for max gain on the HP, then both the RS46 and HW50 will be bright enough on that size screen for 3D. With the RS46, you can crank the iris down to -11 or -13 for excellent contrast in 2D
I bought the da-lite high power as a pull down screen no custom. I might be off by a couple inches.

why are the lumen numbers so different, when a lot of people been saying the Sony is brighter.

with regards to 3d emitters which would be more stable?

Any x-box 360 users on JVC and your opinions? Is the lag I been hearing on the JVC when people use computers to play video games and the high frame rates they achieve?



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The numbers from PJC do not look right for X35B. Either that or they list max advertized lumens for JVC vs optimized for HW50. One way or the other Sony should be brighter than JVC. Certainly JVC can not be 50% more lumens for same conditions as PJC is showing.

those numbers had me confused too!!eek.gif
post #20 of 29
I have seen a JVC DLA-RS56U and Sonyhw50 this past weekend but the JVC was on a large 140ish. 2 :35 black diamond and the Sony was on a 100 in. 1.0 gain screen. hard to compare. Wrong JVC and different screens and sizes. They both looked good.

the JVC was blu-ray disc on player and the Sony was using a kaleidescape system.

Zombie did you do a direct comparison on these particular units in this thread?
post #21 of 29
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Someone says there is some issue for sony HW50 for 3D? same issue for X35 JVC? thanks.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by larryep View Post

any jvc46\x35 owners out there with more than 1500 hours on lamp? How has the dimming been with these 230 watt lamps over time?

the other draw back is the lag I been hearing about. Like to hear how the xbox 360 does on this JVC model.

thank you for your time
Larry

I've played some COD, and NHL13 on the jvc x35 and for me, it's totally fine. even when 'looking for lag' I didn't notice any problems

the caveat is that it's been a long time since I played on a crt, and I don't think i'm very sensitive to gaming lag. I recently bought a Samsung f8500 that has measured as high as 120ms of input lag. I still found games playable on this, with the exception of Kinect games.

the biggest problem with the jvc is that there's no way to improve it. at least with the f8500 I can select game/pc modes and reduce the lag at the expense of a little PQ. the jvc is all or nothing, and imo it's pq is plenty good enough I wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit to reduce input lag if needed.
post #23 of 29
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Is your ceiling and Wall Black? Mine is all White.
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

I've played some COD, and NHL13 on the jvc x35 and for me, it's totally fine. even when 'looking for lag' I didn't notice any problems

the caveat is that it's been a long time since I played on a crt, and I don't think i'm very sensitive to gaming lag. I recently bought a Samsung f8500 that has measured as high as 120ms of input lag. I still found games playable on this, with the exception of Kinect games.

the biggest problem with the jvc is that there's no way to improve it. at least with the f8500 I can select game/pc modes and reduce the lag at the expense of a little PQ. the jvc is all or nothing, and imo it's pq is plenty good enough I wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit to reduce input lag if needed.
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by fightclub View Post

Is your ceiling and Wall Black? Mine is all White.

ceiling is dark brown for about 3-4 feet in front of the screen(screen is about 4" from ceiling), rest of the ceiling is white, for now. wall on one side is medium brown, the other side is a mix of cedar and a 'mural' of the NYC skyline.

I would say the room is about halfway to being 'treated'. definitely a lot of room for upgrades, but still pretty far from all white.
post #25 of 29
The sony hw50 is the projector with more problems of hardware in his range of price.

His principal problem they come derived from his optics of plastic and his lamp.

If he finds a free unit of problems, It is a good projector, but I him cannot guarantee that with the passage of time these problems appear.
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by Gilmour View Post

The sony hw50 is the projector with more problems of hardware in his range of price.

His principal problem they come derived from his optics of plastic and his lamp.

If he finds a free unit of problems, It is a good projector, but I him cannot guarantee that with the passage of time these problems appear.

why such negative comments on HW50? not seen so many bad experience here. any secret sharing?
post #27 of 29
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why such negative comments on HW50? not seen so many bad experience here. any secret sharing?

The units I've reviewed have the same problems. Example http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436740/sony-vpl-hw50es-focus-nonuniformity.

Have information in this forum, and if you use Google could also check that - focus nonuniformity, defocusing, shading and flickering - are common words in this projector. Perhaps Sony fix this with the release of the Sony HW60 it must improve the quality of its components and too quality control.
post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
just seen the x35, love the black level and seems like the bright level is acceptable. lean to x35.
also seen benq w7500 DLP, also not bad.
post #29 of 29
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still have no chance to compare HW55 (which is said to have better black level, contrast ratio and even brighter than HW50) with JVC x35 on the same screen.
seems like choose HW55 is a safer choice as it shall be more flexible to environment like living room? JVC x35 is having great black level, however i am not sure if my living room could see such black level difference...
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