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post #841 of 1930
The ZT came out of the gate as a limited run panel due to the unique manufacturing process involved (autoclave) in its creation. I think the North American market received either 20,000 or 30,000 according to a certain Panasonic insider at another home theater forum.
Edited by vinnie97 - 1/2/14 at 11:01pm
post #842 of 1930
Samsung didn't reduce their price because they think that in the public's eyes their poop is made of gold right now. Be it refrigerators, sinks, smart phones or TVs.

Unless pricing comes down to Conn's levels (probably slightly lower than what I think that TV is really worth) sometime soon, there's gonna be a bunch of those collecting dust. Especially considering that yes, Samsung may be the only game in town at that point, but they're still releasing a 2014 model to succeed the F8500 so there's going to be something newer and better that will hurt the F8500 even more.

I'm sure we are going to see pricing on that TV drop dramatically in the coming month or two. It just can't justify a 3 grand pricetag right now.
post #843 of 1930
LOOKED @ Amazon - interesting - see below - is everyone running out??


Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 65-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma TV by Panasonic

List Price: $3,999.99 Price: To see our price, add this item to your cart. You can always remove it later. Why?

Only 1 left in stock.

Ships from and sold by Paul's TV. Size: 65-Inch
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Looked at the only ther option on Amazon - THREE LEFT @ $ 3,799.00

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 65-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma TV - Panasonic

$3,799.99

You save: $200.00 ( 5%)

Only 3 left in stock.

Shipped from: US-Appliance


This seller has only 3 of these available. To see if more are available from another seller, go to the product detail page.
post #844 of 1930
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These TVs qualify for Amazon's Enhanced Delivery. See http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201238350


I don't see where it says free return shipping...

 

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I got my 65ZT from Amazon. These TVs qualify for Enhanced Delivery so the TV is brought in, unpacked, and powered up for the customer to inspect. See this http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201238350

I also got the 5 year Square Trade warranty from Amazon. It is a very good price. Some people prefer Best Buys warranty for some reason but I'm not familiar with it so I can't speak for that.

 

I BELIEVE the BB warranty covers burn-in, but can only be purchased along with the TV at BB. For those who are curious, check out the VT deals thread, there has been a big warranty discussion going on there for a few days.


Edited by KalJer - 1/3/14 at 4:11am
post #845 of 1930
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Edited by Craig-Paul - 1/5/14 at 8:40pm
post #846 of 1930
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Originally Posted by Borg1of2 View Post

Which one did you get. I saw the over $3000 5 year cheaper then the one that went to $2999. Wasn't sure how that would work?

I got the $2000-2999 warranty since the TV's price was $2799.
post #847 of 1930
As of few seconds ago, Paul's TV still has one 65ZT60 left on Amazon, selling for $2999.
post #848 of 1930
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Since the sell-out on Amazon yesterday of the 65" ZT I've been watching Best-Buy on line. As of late last night at 9:02 pm P.S.T. the on-line BB price was still at $2.799. This Morning at 6:30am P.S.T. the on-line BB price has shot up $400 to $3,199.98.

By contrast, the 60 inch is DOWN to 2299.98 today.
post #849 of 1930
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I don't see where it says free return shipping...

It doesn't. It just describes what the delivery and pick-up processes are like. I didn't check but I do think, however that if there's anything wrong with the TV and it needs to be returned, the return should be free. Now, if someone wants to return a TV just because, then they'll probably have to pick up the shipping tab. Anyone who knows differently please correct me.
post #850 of 1930
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By contrast, the 60 inch is DOWN to 2299.98 today.

... until inventory is low enough and then we'll see the same process that took place with the 65" play out over again.
post #851 of 1930
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

By contrast, the 60 inch is DOWN to 2299.98 today.

Been there for a while.
post #852 of 1930
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Samsung may be the only game in town at that point, but they're still releasing a 2014 model to succeed the F8500 so there's going to be something newer and better that will hurt the F8500 even more.

You sure about that?

Just because they are staying in the plasma game doesn't mean there will be a "successor" to the F8500.

That said, the prices on the F8500 WILL come down. You are just not going to see Conn's-level pricing. I'm not sure everyone realizes just how absurd of a deal that was.
post #853 of 1930
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You sure about that?

Just because they are staying in the plasma game doesn't mean there will be a "successor" to the F8500.

That said, the prices on the F8500 WILL come down. You are just not going to see Conn's-level pricing. I'm not sure everyone realizes just how absurd of a deal that was.

Why wouldn't there be when they'll essentially own the market? It may not be a significant upgrade but at the very least they'll toss in a few more features and change aesthetics etc.

If what you're getting at is that they'll just drop the top end of their line altogether and have no equivalent to the 8500 for what is presumably the last year for them to be in the plasma business, I find that highly unlikely. Not unprecedented (i.e. there was no replacement for the C9000 LED in the following year), but unlikely.

So the point stands, there will be SOMETHING for 2014, even if not a major upgrade. No reason in my opinion to rush out and buy an F8500, and thus more reason they'll probably sit around for a while. Might be a small rush on them once the ZTs and VTs are just plain good and gone, but I don't see much reason otherwise.
post #854 of 1930
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

Why wouldn't there be when they'll essentially own the market? It may not be a significant upgrade but at the very least they'll toss in a few more features and change aesthetics etc.

If what you're getting at is that they'll just drop the top end of their line altogether and have no equivalent to the 8500 for what is presumably the last year for them to be in the plasma business, I find that highly unlikely. Not unprecedented (i.e. there was no replacement for the C9000 LED in the following year), but unlikely.

So the point stands, there will be SOMETHING for 2014, even if not a major upgrade. No reason in my opinion to rush out and buy an F8500, and thus more reason they'll probably sit around for a while. Might be a small rush on them once the ZTs and VTs are just plain good and gone, but I don't see much reason otherwise.

Look for it's "replacement" to be of the lower-end variety. Similar panel, but feature-set not top of the line.
post #855 of 1930
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As of few seconds ago, Paul's TV still has one 65ZT60 left on Amazon, selling for $2999.

 

This is typical. It says 10 left as of right now - this is a marketing gimmick.

 

The point is that Amazon has none left itself and is now acting as an agent for Paul's.  A few days ago Amazon had 40-60 in stock itself, and now apparently none.

 

I am not sure how much longer I would wait if I was on the fence.

post #856 of 1930
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This is typical. It says 10 left as of right now - this is a marketing gimmick.

The point is that Amazon has none left itself and is now acting as an agent for Paul's.  A few days ago Amazon had 40-60 in stock itself, and now apparently none.

I am not sure how much longer I would wait if I was on the fence.

+1.
post #857 of 1930
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Originally Posted by hdtvbuckeye View Post

This is typical. It says 10 left as of right now - this is a marketing gimmick.

The point is that Amazon has none left itself and is now acting as an agent for Paul's.  A few days ago Amazon had 40-60 in stock itself, and now apparently none.

I am not sure how much longer I would wait if I was on the fence.

Yes, but Paul's has to be careful not to add too many here, as they also have to supply their stores. Anything they show as available on Amazon is inventory that their stores cannot sell. Obviously they want to sell as many of them as they can through their own channels. I doubt very much that this is a "marketing gimmick". It is simply a matter of allocating enough to keep their Amazon marketplace store in-stock while tying up as little of their own warehouse inventory as possible.
post #858 of 1930

It is still a marketing gimmick for Paul's/Amazon in that a few hours ago there was one in stock, and now there are 10 through Amazon.  Even with JIT inventory you can watch Amazon do this all day - that is why the # "in stock" is highlighted in green.

 

Do you ever see it say "72,423" in stock?  Of course not.

post #859 of 1930
went into Paul's - signed in and:

max of 65ZT60 is 16 @ $2,999

max of 65VT60 is 23 @ $2,295
post #860 of 1930
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Originally Posted by hdtvbuckeye View Post

It is still a marketing gimmick for Paul's/Amazon in that a few hours ago there was one in stock, and now there are 10 through Amazon.  Even with JIT inventory you can watch Amazon do this all day - that is why the # "in stock" is highlighted in green.

Do you ever see it say "72,423" in stock?  Of course not.

It couldn't possibly be that they are just trying to make sure that their customers know when they don't have a lot of time to make a decision. If they didn't show this, people would ask for it.

Regarding Paul's inventory, it is not a gimmick either. The way marketplace inventory works is that it shows how much Paul's has committed to their MP(Marketplace) store. When that get's low, they add more. It is not intended to be a representation of the total amount of inventory Paul's has in its' possession. Like I said before, if it is loaded into the MP store, that is inventory they DON'T have available to sell to their in-store customers. Obviously they make more money on what they sell in their stores, so they would prefer to load as little as possible into the MP store to keep their real stores fully stocked. Not everything a retailer does is some sort of trick to fool customers into spending more money.
post #861 of 1930

Thanks for the "I work at BB/Magnolia" angle, but it is still a marketing gimmick even if it shows some semblance of correct inventory.  By showing a low number it is simply capitalizing on the psychological nature of people thinking "there are only ___ left so I better jump on it!"

 

Just because you work at BB/Magnolia it does not mean you know how Paul's or Amazon operate, but thank you for your broad expertise as to everything retail.

post #862 of 1930
Even it he didn't work at Best Buy, his is the most logical explanation. It is PAUL's choice as to how much stock they enter into the Amazon Marketplace system. Call it what you want. Paul's actually requires you to have an account with them before being able to see similar inventory. I think I'll pass (thanks for that update, Bob).

Panasonic still has 30: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65ZT60 ($3,074.99...best deal next to Paul's at the moment).
Edited by vinnie97 - 1/3/14 at 10:50am
post #863 of 1930
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Originally Posted by hdtvbuckeye View Post

Thanks for the "I work at BB/Magnolia" angle, but it is still a marketing gimmick even if it shows some semblance of correct inventory.  By showing a low number it is simply capitalizing on the psychological nature of people thinking "there are only ___ left so I better jump on it!"

Just because you work at BB/Magnolia it does not mean you know how Paul's or Amazon operate, but thank you for your broad expertise as to everything retail.

I do actually have first-hand knowledge of how marketplace inventory/sales relationships are structured. They are all actually remarkably simple and very similar. At no point do they have the discussion, "let's show as little inventory as possible so that our customers will buy now thinking we're about to run out". Everything I've told you above comes from actual experience directly related to that business model. I am not shooting from the hip, or speculating as to what might be going on.

Feel free to believe every retailer is out to get you though.
post #864 of 1930
Went into Panasonic and entered various quantities when I went to 50 it rejected and went to "30"

ITEM QTY 30 UNIT PRICE PRICE
VIERA® 65" Class ZT60 Series Full HD Plasma TV (64.7" Diag.) TC-P65ZT60
Ships in 1-3 business days

Update 30
Remove
$3,074.99 $92,249.70

Tried 60ZT60 and it stopped me @ 62

Can't buy 65VT60 on website
post #865 of 1930

Nowhere was it said that "every retailer is out to get you."  Nonetheless, it is a gimmick to get you to buy - even if it is legitimate as to inventory. 

 

Same thing with Paul's requiring you to set up an account to see the the price.  While it is for many purposes, it is also for you to click "buy" and be invested in the process when the price finally comes up.

 

If you think that the retailers are not using these tools to make you buy what they are selling you are both fooling yourselves. 

post #866 of 1930
I am sure they hide the price for that reason. However, I don't think Amazon practices misleading inventory practices; at least, not in my experience, and Paul's is most likely actively allocating new stock as it sells at Amazon since Paul's has their very own storefront. I mean, what sense does it make for them to allocate the majority of their stock at Amazon when they lose a little more on each sale? This practice certainly has the side effect of creating a sense of urgency, but I don't think that's the primary reason for it.

What will confirm this is if Paulstv.com's stock shows depletion as their stock at Amazon continues to sell.

Bob, it looks like stock went up at Panasonic's shop from 29 yesterday to 30 today...I guess they found one hiding in a corner of some warehouse. smile.gif
Edited by vinnie97 - 1/3/14 at 11:02am
post #867 of 1930
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Originally Posted by hdtvbuckeye View Post

Nowhere was it said that "every retailer is out to get you."  Nonetheless, it is a gimmick to get you to buy - even if it is legitimate as to inventory. 

Same thing with Paul's requiring you to set up an account to see the the price.  While it is for many purposes, it is also for you to click "buy" and be invested in the process when the price finally comes up.

If you think that the retailers are not using these tools to make you buy what they are selling you are both fooling yourselves. 

Exactly - this is all a science - marketing is big business and well studied
post #868 of 1930
I created a dummy account at Paul's for the hell of it (I refuse to order from an outlet who requires an account before I can even seen the price), and the price has seemingly dropped to $2,899.99 with 18 left, making it the best best deal currently....maybe Paul's is playing games now.
post #869 of 1930
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I created a dummy account at Paul's for the hell of it (I refuse to order from an outlet who requires an account before I can even seen the price), and the price has seemingly dropped to $2,899.99 with 18 left....maybe Paul's is playing games now.

 

lol, imagine that!

post #870 of 1930
That said, I don't blame Amazon for Paul's shady practices. Amazon's own ZT60 stock over the last 2 weeks and that of another item I bought (irrigation controller) showed a steady depletion, and now both are currently unavailable. No conspiracy or marketing malarkey happening there.
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