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post #871 of 1929
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Originally Posted by bob brennan View Post

Exactly - this is all a science - marketing is big business and well studied

Very true. However the "set up account before we will show you the price" rigamarole is most often to get around Minimum Advertised Price clauses in contracts with the manufacturers/wholesalers. If there is a side benefit of an increased conversion rate to a final sale, then that is great. That is not the primary reason for having the account policy in the first place. As a matter of fact I would be willing to wager that the account sign-up requirement drives away more buyers than it converts. Having worked in this area of retail, I would bet that Paul's would just as soon get rid of the requirement.

Don't get me wrong. Marketers are evil and should be among the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. But not every piece of information disseminated by a retailer is marketing shinola.

My $.02.
post #872 of 1929

No doubt and I agree, because I never said it was the primary reason.  As I said, it does not mean that anyone is shady (Paul's, Amazon, etc.) - it is just careful manipulation of the data you show to have a more enticing sale presentation.

 

That said, I am sure the stock of  every retailer as to the ST, VT and ZT setups is dwindling and we all knew this would happen by right about now.

post #873 of 1929
Alright, perhaps not shady but manipulative. The practice of adding it to your cart before seeing the price is frustrating but only requires a few extra clicks fortunately (in the case of Amazon). I feel that Amazon's own publicized stock levels are on the up-and-up (for instance, the VT60s they have in stock were well above 800 a few weeks ago...now they're showing 795). That doesn't seem out of the ordinary for a product we know is no longer being manufactured. wink.gif
post #874 of 1929
Nothing wrong with a little "Shinola":

http://www.shinola.com/our-story?gclid=CPqf_fDf4rsCFbFxOgod7DQAyQ#shinola=AzOAkythS3o



"GO DETROIT!!!"

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That said, I'm glad I got my ZT when I did in Oct...enough time to "burn it in", in case I need to get it replaced before they're all gone. Still debating on getting a 2nd as a backup.
post #875 of 1929
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Originally Posted by Vermithrax View Post

Very true. However the "set up account before we will show you the price" rigamarole is most often to get around Minimum Advertised Price clauses in contracts with the manufacturers/wholesalers. If there is a side benefit of an increased conversion rate to a final sale, then that is great. That is not the primary reason for having the account policy in the first place. As a matter of fact I would be willing to wager that the account sign-up requirement drives away more buyers than it converts. Having worked in this area of retail, I would bet that Paul's would just as soon get rid of the requirement.

Don't get me wrong. Marketers are evil and should be among the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. But not every piece of information disseminated by a retailer is marketing shinola.

My $.02.

This is exactly why VT/ZT models require you to log-in. There are a few different dispositions that manufacturers can specify in their pricing policies. Also, just to clarify, these are not "contracts" with dealers, as dealers cannot explicitly agree to them, legally. It is simply a policy that the manufacturers provide to the dealers. They can choose whether or not to follow it, knowing the consequences of not doing so.

Click to see price: This, as the name implies only requires you to click once, where a pop-up comes up to show you the price.

In-cart pricing: This only requires you to have it in your cart to show the price, which does not require that you log in, or have an account.

In-checkout pricing: This requires you to actually be in the checkout process, which requires that you have an account, in order to see the price. Some manufacturers even explicitly call out in said policies that a customer must log in to their account before seeing the price. (This is the case with VT/ZT/WT specifically)

UMRP pricing supersedes all of these and dictates that even in-checkout you cannot go below a certain price.

FWIW, retailers would actually prefer NOT to require any of this, as it actually has proven to inconvenience customers and cut down on conversion. This is especially true if their log in process is not as smooth as Amazon's.

Hope this helps!smile.gif
post #876 of 1929
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Originally Posted by Vermithrax View Post

Very true. However the "set up account before we will show you the price" rigamarole is most often to get around Minimum Advertised Price clauses in contracts with the manufacturers/wholesalers. If there is a side benefit of an increased conversion rate to a final sale, then that is great. That is not the primary reason for having the account policy in the first place. As a matter of fact I would be willing to wager that the account sign-up requirement drives away more buyers than it converts. Having worked in this area of retail, I would bet that Paul's would just as soon get rid of the requirement.

Don't get me wrong. Marketers are evil and should be among the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. But not every piece of information disseminated by a retailer is marketing shinola.

My $.02.

What advantage do manufacturers gain by enforcing a Minimum Advertised Price, if the policy makes the retailers have to go through advertising gimmicks like "see price in cart" that could potentially hurt sales?
post #877 of 1929
They are also competing with panasonic.com so panasonic doesn't want the retailers giving some of their margin back to consumers. Also, retailers who don't want to play this discount game complain to panasonic to enforce their minimum advertised price.
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Originally Posted by myared View Post

What advantage do manufacturers gain by enforcing a Minimum Advertised Price, if the policy makes the retailers have to go through advertising gimmicks like "see price in cart" that could potentially hurt sales?
post #878 of 1929
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Originally Posted by tim leonhardt View Post

They are also competing with panasonic.com so panasonic doesn't want the retailers giving some of their margin back to consumers. Also, retailers who don't want to play this discount game complain to panasonic to enforce their minimum advertised price.

 

You really think that is the reason?  At the higher price, I find it hard to believe in the day and age of the Internet that anyone buys from the manufacturer directly anymore.  Even if they do, this cannot be a reason as those direct sales cannot be so numerous as to make this an issue. 

post #879 of 1929
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Originally Posted by myared View Post

What advantage do manufacturers gain by enforcing a Minimum Advertised Price, if the policy makes the retailers have to go through advertising gimmicks like "see price in cart" that could potentially hurt sales?

This is their strategy for avoiding runaway price erosion. Price erosion leads to them having to lower dealer cost to make up for the resulting low dealer margins, thus lowering the manufacturers overall margin. Standard MAP policies are somewhat ineffective in doing this, but UMRP policies have been fairly successful. The biggest problem they have with this is their wide-open distribution networks which allow too many unauthorized dealers to get access to their products. These unauthorized dealers then heavily discount the products, since they are not dissuaded by the pricing policies that don't affect them.
post #880 of 1929
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Originally Posted by myared View Post


What advantage do manufacturers gain by enforcing a Minimum Advertised Price, if the policy makes the retailers have to go through advertising gimmicks like "see price in cart" that could potentially hurt sales?


They're preserving margin for their dealers and preventing a price war. If Paul's (for example) had to sell at 5% over cost to move units because Amazon (who likely buys more units) was able to negotiate a better discount from the manufacturer, Paul's would pull them from the stores and replace with something they could make a higher margin on. It makes sure that Panasonic (and other brands) keep their dealers happy and thus maintain market share. If Paul's, BB, and Abt all dropped Panasonic because they werent making enough money then Panasonic's share of a given market would be substantially affected, they would sell fewer units, etc.

 

All above examples are completely fabricated for the sake of illustration.

post #881 of 1929
I've been waiting to get the 65" until I got some new furniture in, but it looks like the window is closing on them. Guess I'll head to Best Buy tonight. Does the in-store price change immediately with the online price or is it possible I could still find one at $2,799? I've got a couple stores in the area I could check. Would they tell me over the phone? Worst case, they should price match the Paul's price of $2,899, right?
post #882 of 1929

I think the answer is "yes" as to all of your questions, other than whether the store will match Paul's price and that apparently has been a "maybe."

post #883 of 1929
Some folks have mentioned the Square Trade warranty purchased through Costco. The Costco product description seems contradictory saying "You must purchase the new television from a Costco Warehouse or from Costco.com" and "Costco Members may buy plans for new TVs purchased from a Costco warehouse or Costco.com", then stating "Costco members may buy plans for new TVs purchased from Costco or any authorized U.S. retailer."

Without reading the entire PDF attachment, does anyone know -- definitively -- which is it? Can you use the warranty for a television you purchase at Best Buy or Costco? And/or a television that Costco doesn't even sell, like the ZT60?

Thanks in advance.
post #884 of 1929
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Originally Posted by florean View Post

I've been waiting to get the 65" until I got some new furniture in, but it looks like the window is closing on them. Guess I'll head to Best Buy tonight. Does the in-store price change immediately with the online price or is it possible I could still find one at $2,799? I've got a couple stores in the area I could check. Would they tell me over the phone? Worst case, they should price match the Paul's price of $2,899, right?

The in-store price is the same as the current online price. You can always ask about honoring the previous price, but I wouldn't expect to get it. If you are actually in an area with a Paul's they may match their price though. Also, they are currently running the below offer which gives you a minimum of 10% back in rewards. Even more if you are already an Elite or Elite Plus member. This already brings you below the Paul's price, technically.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/global-promotions/my-best-buy-5x-points-offer/pcmcat321600050020.c?id=pcmcat321600050020&type=category&id=pcmcat321600050020
post #885 of 1929
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Originally Posted by faterikcartman View Post

Some folks have mentioned the Square Trade warranty purchased through Costco. The Costco product description seems contradictory saying "You must purchase the new television from a Costco Warehouse or from Costco.com" and "Costco Members may buy plans for new TVs purchased from a Costco warehouse or Costco.com", then stating "Costco members may buy plans for new TVs purchased from Costco or any authorized U.S. retailer."

Without reading the entire PDF attachment, does anyone know -- definitively -- which is it? Can you use the warranty for a television you purchase at Best Buy or Costco? And/or a television that Costco doesn't even sell, like the ZT60?

Thanks in advance.

Some people have called them and been told that it does still cover TV's purchased at retailers other than Costco. That said, unless it explicitly states that in the PDF, you could get screwed in the end. On a side note, you should NEVER invest in one of these plans without reading and understanding the entire PDF of the terms. If a certain type of coverage isn't listed, then you likely won't have it.
post #886 of 1929

What's the advantage to buying it at Costco vs just buying direct from SquareTrade?

post #887 of 1929
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Originally Posted by KalJer View Post

What's the advantage to buying it at Costco vs just buying direct from SquareTrade?

$$$
post #888 of 1929
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Some people have called them and been told that it does still cover TV's purchased at retailers other than Costco. That said, unless it explicitly states that in the PDF, you could get screwed in the end. On a side note, you should NEVER invest in one of these plans without reading and understanding the entire PDF of the terms. If a certain type of coverage isn't listed, then you likely won't have it.

I didn't want to read the whole thing only to find out my tv wouldn't qualify. I figured someone here had already done that part of the legwork and I didn't want to reinvent the wheel.

But if it applies to tvs not bought at Costco, I'll be sure to read the whole thing before I take the plunge.

Incidentally, my extended warranty experience has always been that they will find a way to weasel out of it, but the reviews on Costco.com about the squaretrade warranty sure sound positive. And, frankly, I'm surprised.

I liked how one person got a refund when their tv couldn't be repaired. I'm hoping the refund covered the cost of the television not the cost of the warranty. As I'm sure at some point there is a good possibility that Panasonic simply won't have replacement panels with which to repair the tvs. Nor will there be comparable replacements.
post #889 of 1929
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Originally Posted by faterikcartman View Post

I didn't want to read the whole thing only to find out my tv wouldn't qualify. I figured someone here had already done that part of the legwork and I didn't want to reinvent the wheel.

But if it applies to tvs not bought at Costco, I'll be sure to read the whole thing before I take the plunge.

Incidentally, my extended warranty experience has always been that they will find a way to weasel out of it, but the reviews on Costco.com about the squaretrade warranty sure sound positive. And, frankly, I'm surprised.

I liked how one person got a refund when their tv couldn't be repaired. I'm hoping the refund covered the cost of the television not the cost of the warranty. As I'm sure at some point there is a good possibility that Panasonic simply won't have replacement panels with which to repair the tvs. Nor will there be comparable replacements.

That's why you read the terms, and keep a copy for your records. If they won't provide the coverage that is explicitly outlined in the terms, you have something to fall back on. Truth be told, most instances where people have trouble with warranties, occur because they thought it covered something that it does not. Then they tell the world that X warranty company screwed them over. Most do not read and/or understand the terms before they purchase and that is what get's you into trouble.

ST will refund the product purchase price in some instances, though they subtract the cost of any repairs previously performed.
post #890 of 1929
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Originally Posted by myared View Post
As of few seconds ago, Paul's TV still has one 65ZT60 left on Amazon, selling for $2999.

 

Techbargains has the following deals listed at Pauls, haven't tried them so don't shoot the messenger if it doesn't pan out!

 

 

post #891 of 1929
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

This is exactly why VT/ZT models require you to log-in. There are a few different dispositions that manufacturers can specify in their pricing policies. Also, just to clarify, these are not "contracts" with dealers, as dealers cannot explicitly agree to them, legally. It is simply a policy that the manufacturers provide to the dealers. They can choose whether or not to follow it, knowing the consequences of not doing so.

Click to see price: This, as the name implies only requires you to click once, where a pop-up comes up to show you the price.

In-cart pricing: This only requires you to have it in your cart to show the price, which does not require that you log in, or have an account.

In-checkout pricing: This requires you to actually be in the checkout process, which requires that you have an account, in order to see the price. Some manufacturers even explicitly call out in said policies that a customer must log in to their account before seeing the price. (This is the case with VT/ZT/WT specifically)

UMRP pricing supersedes all of these and dictates that even in-checkout you cannot go below a certain price.

FWIW, retailers would actually prefer NOT to require any of this, as it actually has proven to inconvenience customers and cut down on conversion. This is especially true if their log in process is not as smooth as Amazon's.

Hope this helps!smile.gif

60zt60 appears to be off that now...

post #892 of 1929
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Originally Posted by CatchersDad View Post

Techbargains has the following deals listed at Pauls, haven't tried them so don't shoot the messenger if it doesn't pan out!
It must be working. Paulstv.com is now down to 11 in stock (whereas they were 18 before these coupons were posted).
post #893 of 1929
Paul's TV coupon codes definitely still working! I just placed an order for the TH-P65ZT60 using the code listed above (thank you fellow AVS'ers!), and the first time the charge tried to go through my credit provider flagged it as fraudulent. I went into my credit account online to enable the purchase and then placed the order a second time. This time the coupon code was NOT applied! I called Paul's customer service and they verified the coupon code was valid and refunded me the $100 (but not before taking a moment to speak to me about a couple promotions they're having on extended service agreements and HDMI cables). Awesome!
post #894 of 1929
Just received my 65ZT60. October 2013 build date. A couple of questions:

1. How can you tell if the fan noise fix kit was installed?

2. When they opened up the truck to deliver the TV, I noticed that they had the box containing the TV laying down on it's back with the front of the box (screen side) facing up. I was not happy. I examined the screen very closely with an LED flashlight and noticed no cracks or lines. Can having the TV transported 50 miles laying on its back cause any picture quality problems?


Thank you in advance for your responses.
post #895 of 1929
It's amazing how clueless or negligent the delivery people can be. When I got my TV yesterday, the lone person delivering it wanted to stand the box on one end for it to fit the small trolley he had. When I objected, he said it really should not cause the TV any damage. So I then pointed to the instructions clearly depicted on the box saying the box should NOT be transported standing on one end. His reply was: hummm, so what do you want me to do? I said I'll help you carry the TV inside, with the up side up which is the only way the box should be stored and transported... Unbelievable!
post #896 of 1929
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Originally Posted by My00t8 View Post

Paul's TV coupon codes definitely still working! I just placed an order for the TH-P65ZT60 using the code listed above (thank you fellow AVS'ers!), and the first time the charge tried to go through my credit provider flagged it as fraudulent. I went into my credit account online to enable the purchase and then placed the order a second time. This time the coupon code was NOT applied! I called Paul's customer service and they verified the coupon code was valid and refunded me the $100 (but not before taking a moment to speak to me about a couple promotions they're having on extended service agreements and HDMI cables). Awesome!

 

Glad it worked for those that took advantage, enjoy! Just make sure you send your buddies to my listings in the classifieds.  :D

post #897 of 1929
Paul's is playing inventory games (or they got in another small batch), 21 available so grab 'em up if you can stomach Paul's.
post #898 of 1929
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Originally Posted by florean View Post

I've been waiting to get the 65" until I got some new furniture in, but it looks like the window is closing on them. Guess I'll head to Best Buy tonight. Does the in-store price change immediately with the online price or is it possible I could still find one at $2,799? I've got a couple stores in the area I could check. Would they tell me over the phone? Worst case, they should price match the Paul's price of $2,899, right?

Are there actually any 65" ZT60's left at Best Buy locations outside of Texas?  Just curious.  Are people still seeing them in other BB distribution areas?  I know in Texas they are showing as out stock to the best of my knowledge.  You can try to add them to your cart for in-store pickup but as soon as you try to check out it shows as unavailable.

post #899 of 1929
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Originally Posted by Zen Electronics View Post
 

Are there actually any 65" ZT60's left at Best Buy locations outside of Texas?  Just curious.  Are people still seeing them in other BB distribution areas?  I know in Texas they are showing as out stock to the best of my knowledge.  You can try to add them to your cart for in-store pickup but as soon as you try to check out it shows as unavailable.

 

 

There are in Maryland but the price kicked back up to 3199 after it was 2799 yesterday. They will price match whatever deal is out there though

post #900 of 1929
I went ahead and used the Paul's TV coupon. I went to the Best Buy in Lynwood, WA and they still had the $2799 price posted for the 65". Their points promotion today and tomorrow is basically another 10% off. But the only one they had was the floor model. They were going to knock another 10% off, but I really wanted a brand new set. Still, if someone wants a good deal, they still might not have changed their signage.
As far as availability, the manager said that none of the Seattle area stores had any new ones. When I called customer service, they confirmed it and said they could ship one to a store, but quoted the $3,199 price.
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