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post #61 of 71
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Why do you ask?

Hoping you're able to find a solution.

Besides another sub.

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post #62 of 71
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

My wife says its boomy when bass is deep because of the high spl. I tell her it is not boomy and with deep bass you get pressure from high spl and room modes. Boomy is like a car with a bad sub that rattles the trunk.

Using only one sub and genetically, considering a woman's hearing is better than a guy's hearing, she could be on to something and without measurements, one never knows as boomy, in a Home Theater sound reproduction system is a sign that a section of one's graph is being overly emphasized or boomy.
post #63 of 71
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Using only one sub and genetically, considering a woman's hearing is better than a guy's hearing, she could be on to something and without measurements, one never knows as boomy, in a Home Theater sound reproduction system is a sign that a section of one's graph is being overly emphasized or boomy.

With music for sure it is tight
post #64 of 71
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Hoping you're able to find a solution.
Besides another sub.
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Agreed. A simple solution is a far better solution then adding a forth subwoofer. FWIW, I'm still trying to find a "simple" solution.

At this time and point, the prospects of a fourth subwoofer or a miniDSP are becoming more and more attractive.

Due to WAF, room treatments are not an option and the addition of a fourth subwoofer is not looking good. The good news, the cheaper solution, a miniDSP, is looking better and better.
post #65 of 71
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

With music for sure it is tight

And you know this because of your evaluation or due to software based room measurements and are you basing this on a single sitting position or on all the seated positions in the room?

Have you played a 60Hz tone and walked the room, making note of the changes in intensity as you walk the room? The resulting undulations should be dramatic.
post #66 of 71
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

And you know this because of your evaluation or due to software based room measurements and are you basing this on a single sitting position or on all the seated positions in the room?

Have you played a 60Hz tone and walked the room, making note of the changes in intensity as you walk the room? The resulting undulations should be dramatic.

Based on my evaluation across the room and out of the room. Now that you mention this basically just play 60hz in different areas of the room for music but what HZ for movies?
post #67 of 71
You can't just play a single tone to calibrate phase. Changing the phase at 60hz could change the phase at another.

Boomy sound is not what low end or deep bass sounds like. My room does not sound anything like a car.
post #68 of 71
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

You can't just play a single tone to calibrate phase. Changing the phase at 60hz could change the phase at another.
 

Sure, but that's where his WIFE'S sitting! biggrin.gif

post #69 of 71
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

You can't just play a single tone to calibrate phase. Changing the phase at 60hz could change the phase at another.

Boomy sound is not what low end or deep bass sounds like. My room does not sound anything like a car.

Mine does not sound like a car either. It is just the deep bass that is too loud for my wife and does not like how it sounds.
post #70 of 71
Depending on the sub! One sub can sound smooth in the room , this is best dealt with if one takes the context as a whole dedicated room or existing seating position, sub and speaker location and treatments and digital RC. My room falls into the existing category and I can only speak to that end. the steps i've taken to get accurate bass at the listening position takes time and error as I depend on my ears and the nod from the wife to make final setup decisions biggrin.gif My room is almost a perfect cube with a large brick fireplace and two large openings on the right rear and right that leads to the kitchen, dimensions are 20x21x8 , I have the 3 corners bass trapped (2) 24x24 4 inch open back bass traps behind the mains and an GIK 24x48 7 inch monster trap in the rear of the room and a 48x24 4 inch behind the main listening position 6ft away, my sub is a KK DXD12012 in the front right corner 2 inches from the side wall and 6 inches from the back wall as per ken's instructions, I also Audyssey XT32 to dial in the sound along with (2) 48x24 2 inch panels to deal with first reflection points and the front wall behind the display and mains have (3) 24x24 2 inch panels. the end result is smooth bass across the 5 seats and a room favoring 50hz bump is tamed and lower frequencies are as pronounced as the upper bass not to mention seamless integration with the mains center and surrounds! no matter where an effect is placed within the sound field the DXD12012 is there to act as an independent sub for that speaker and even the phantom pans between the speakers wink.gif my two channel is seamless as well ( and also my first priority) So yes depending on the subs ability to produce clean bass upper,mid or lower it can be done with one in the room and get high spouse approval at the same time! not boomy just great bass! wink.gif
post #71 of 71
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Depending on the sub! One sub can sound smooth in the room , this is best dealt with if one takes the context as a whole dedicated room or existing seating position, sub and speaker location and treatments and digital RC. My room falls into the existing category and I can only speak to that end. the steps i've taken to get accurate bass at the listening position takes time and error as I depend on my ears and the nod from the wife to make final setup decisions biggrin.gif My room is almost a perfect cube with a large brick fireplace and two large openings on the right rear and right that leads to the kitchen, dimensions are 20x21x8 , I have the 3 corners bass trapped (2) 24x24 4 inch open back bass traps behind the mains and an GIK 24x48 7 inch monster trap in the rear of the room and a 48x24 4 inch behind the main listening position 6ft away, my sub is a KK DXD12012 in the front right corner 2 inches from the side wall and 6 inches from the back wall as per ken's instructions, I also Audyssey XT32 to dial in the sound along with (2) 48x24 2 inch panels to deal with first reflection points and the front wall behind the display and mains have (3) 24x24 2 inch panels. the end result is smooth bass across the 5 seats and a room favoring 50hz bump is tamed and lower frequencies are as pronounced as the upper bass not to mention seamless integration with the mains center and surrounds! no matter where an effect is placed within the sound field the DXD12012 is there to act as an independent sub for that speaker and even the phantom pans between the speakers wink.gif my two channel is seamless as well ( and also my first priority) So yes depending on the subs ability to produce clean bass upper,mid or lower it can be done with one in the room and get high spouse approval at the same time! not boomy just great bass! wink.gif


I also have the Kreisel 12012. One thing I have never tried is placing it away from a corner. I might sacrifice spl but might be smoother response.
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