Originally Posted by realtight
Are they? It sounds like you need a cable box to have cable viewing in the xbox1. Sounds like a epic failure to me. Does that ridiculous implementation not contradict the very name of this thing? Obviously it's not an all in one device, lol.
Now if you can use this new xbox1 w/o a cable box and can use the same type of cable-card tuners on the market now (ceton/silicon) and record/dvr to our own personal storage solution, then it might be kind of ok.
As an htpc perspective, sounds like typical half-a$$ed, Microsoft junk to me. Probably doesn't support mkv, dts... yeah... Might be a great gaming console though.
Well the way I see it is, for it to be an AIO, it would need its own tuner. And with the cable companies encrypting their channels, said tuner would only be good for OTA or the unencrypted channels. So the next logical thing would be to support Cablecard. In my opinion, cable card is just a bandage to keep people quite (basically the small percentage that surf this forum). Half of the cable installers don't even know how to properly configure one, and most of the reps don't even know their company offers one...which means most of this country doesn't even know it exists. Yes, if MS supported Cablecard, it'd take off. But I think they in the long run it makes sense to not support a tuner, and go straight to IP distribution.
If it's implemented at all like Google did with Google TV, I don't see why you can't use your own DVR and personal storage solution. The input on the xOne is just an input, and it overlays it's own UI. So theoretically you should still be able to navigate your DVR with it's own remote. When you tell the Xbox to play CBS for example, it just mimics your DVR remote and sends the command to change the channel. The xOne's guide is independent of your DVR. This is just speculation of course, but from what's possible, it should work. The difference is that once you require the use of the DVR's own menu (to watch recorded shows), it won't match the GUI of the xOne. It'd be nice if the xOne could control DVRs, but there are so many types including custom without a set standard.
Essentially I see the xOne as a very large remote control that'll support any tuner with an HDMI output and the proper IR commands. That's why I'm hoping Boxee will allow for channel control via number input. They are dirt cheap now, and it'd be a great HDMI tuner to use in conjunction.
Originally Posted by turls
That's baloney. It should be relatively simple emulation/virtualization of the existing console, and these new boxes should be more than powerful enough to do it. The long-life cycle should have made this easier since the new box should be more than up to the task to emulate 8 year old tech. Especially on Arcade titles.
The other problem is all the classic games that require special peripherals that aren't going to have equivalents on the new box any time soon, if at all. Rock Band comes to mind.
I'm sure cloud gaming is a possibility because they want to make us buy stuff again, but that isn't going to help with the peripherals that won't have any support (or maybe they will come up with a "fix" for that which would sure be convenient).
Already pretty sure there is not going to be a good way to string my Kinect to the back of my room with my dedicated theater setup, so I'll probably be skipping this generation until that oversight is corrected, anyway. It was bad enough to do it with USB 2.0 with the current Kinect, but I don't see anything on the horizon for using Cat5e with Kinect 2.0.
I do agree, but emulation/virtualization is rarely simple. I too believe the hardware is definitely up to the task and that it's a software limitation. It'd be hard to guarantee every game working under emulation...they're all made by different developers with different engines. I just think MS decided the amount of work and troubleshooting it'd take to successfully deploy that wasn't worth it. The effort put in would really only be good for the next few years, after that I don't see a lot of people playing 360 games (I'm basing this off of 360 users playing the original games). This makes me think back to the PS3 release, where Sony incorporated PS2 hardware into it because they couldn't get the software done. They ended up even taking that out after the Slim was released.
The backwards compatibility on accessories was something I didn't see coming. It makes sense to make to make them compatible (I'm not sure what technology the new ones run on). I guess I'm just hoping accessories like the drum set will some how be replaced by Kinect.
I'm definitely with you on wiring the Kinect. I bought the Kinect bundle and a 50ft usb2.0 and strung it across the floor through a hall anytime someone wanted to play. It was such a headache. I even tried splicing a USB 2.0 extender into my Cat6 runs...that turned out to be a waste of a good cable. I ultimately ended up selling it because the only TV in the house that has the equipment right next to it is a rear projection without an HDMI input. Here's to hoping they eventually make it wireless.