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post #301 of 340
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

I would think MS has some kind of "wrap" strategy for WMC at this point...
- Stop all services that MS has to pay for. Guide Data and DVD of course. Fox Sports data? CableCARD certs? DRM?
- Maybe the next big xbox 360 update that brings the UI up to XBone will kill extender support.
- Windows 8.2, 9, etc. will not have any WMC option at all.

Hopefully by that time, the medium will have evolved past the need for WMC, or Ceton comes up with their own media center solution.

FUD
post #302 of 340
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

FUD

Indeed, definitely some FUD. There's a very good chance WMC won't appear in Win9, but because MS made it available as an option in Win8, and Win8 has to be supported for a long time to come, then things like the guide data are likely to be around for a while yet, but I believe MS do say in the license that they reserve the right to stop these services at their own discretion, so who knows. If they think all WMC users are going to go out an buy an XBOne though, then they're seriously mistaken (and living in a fantasy land)
post #303 of 340
Calling Win8 the last release of WMC would not be FUD given the Xbone's lack of extender support and the disbandment of the MS eHome dev team. I think most here and at TGB have resigned themselves to this and some are starting to look at alternatives. Don't see why anyone would bother at this point given that Win7 and 8 will be supported for a long time, and that there are other guide data alternatives that work with WMC. Xbox360s will also be available for a long time so it's not like there won't be extenders either.
post #304 of 340
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Correct. The FUD part is that it is immediately imminent that WMC will stop working. There is no evidence to support that statement, only speculation. It is my opinion that it will be supported for a while after MS stops selling the WMC add-in for Windows.. maybe a year or two?
post #305 of 340
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Originally Posted by rc05 View Post

Xbox One will not be a WMC extender:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one
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Will Xbox One work as a Windows Media Center Extender? For those that use a PC with TV tuner to record and watch TV, we use the 360 as an extender to stream this content to TVs. Will this continue with Xbox One?
WHITTEN: Xbox One isn’t a native Media Center Extender. We’ll continue to work to enable more ways for everyone to get the television they want over the life of the program.

That is a key word in this statement as it makes it non-definitive and leaves the door open for the possibility of a WMC plug-in down the road "over the life of the program".
post #306 of 340
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Correct. The FUD part is that it is immediately imminent that WMC will stop working. There is no evidence to support that statement, only speculation. It is my opinion that it will be supported for a while after MS stops selling the WMC add-in for Windows.. maybe a year or two?

My concern is that while it's obvious WMC won't (can't?) stop working as a media player, for those who use it for live TV (and their primary live TV/DVR), if MS stop publishing the guide, then MC is dead for me. I'd either have to find a bulletproof way of getting guide data into MC, or find an alternative.
post #307 of 340
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Originally Posted by tman247 View Post

My concern is that while it's obvious WMC won't (can't?) stop working as a media player, for those who use it for live TV (and their primary live TV/DVR), if MS stop publishing the guide, then MC is dead for me. I'd either have to find a bulletproof way of getting guide data into MC, or find an alternative.
I think Xbox One's cable box integration makes this even more unlikely. They'll have to provide guide data for it for years to come, so it's really not much more trouble to continue providing to a few thousand WMC users. Unless they just want to go out of their way to piss off a lot of users, I don't see this happening anytime soon.
post #308 of 340
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I think Xbox One's cable box integration makes this even more unlikely. They'll have to provide guide data for it for years to come, so it's really not much more trouble to continue providing to a few thousand WMC users. Unless they just want to go out of their way to piss off a lot of users, I don't see this happening anytime soon.

While I agree with you, it's all going to come down to $. The same reason they are abandoning a great product. If it costs more to maintain the guide day for non-xbox users than it's worth, this will shut down those servers.

I'm hoping that that is not the case.
post #309 of 340
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

That is a key word in this statement as it makes it non-definitive and leaves the door open for the possibility of a WMC plug-in down the road "over the life of the program".

It means there's no MCE and if you want TV then use one of the providers apps. There's no way they would put forth the extensive dev and testing effort to create a native MCE app that has value to a diminishing user base. MS is doing everything they can to torpedo Media Center:

It is only an add-in in the premium version of Windows
Need to pay for Win8 Pro
Need to pay for the MC option
No tuner certification
No remote certification

You are reading into the statement too much. What he said is plain as day. It's not there now and will never be.
post #310 of 340
+1 ^ If anything, they worded it like that cause it will 'play some of your WMC content' in their eyes probably - but won't be an actual extender.
post #311 of 340
Yeah, unprotected WMV files off of a share.
post #312 of 340
Thread Starter 
Oh. The thing is is that the statement is intentionally vague and says whatever the reader wants it to say. Meanwhile I will keep using my setup with my and. echo for some time to come.
post #313 of 340
I haven't seen much info on this, but does anyone know if the Xbox One and/or PS4 have IR ports? Or, even better, RF?

I am going to be using one of the two systems as my main Bluray / streamer and I would actually prefer it be PS4, but I remember the PS3 not having an IR port at all and having to use the silly Logitech dongle in order to get it to work with the Harmony.

All my stuff is going behind a wall with IR blasters so this is pretty important.
post #314 of 340
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The Xbox One will play nice with universal remotes

Q: Will there be a remote control for Xbox One? / Why is there not a remote for launch?

A: ...We will also publish our Xbox One infrared remote control codes at launch for existing 3rd party universal remotes to use.

http://gizmodo.com/the-good-news-about-xbox-one-that-microsoft-brushed-rig-513494087

Not having a remote seems silly if they want people to use this as their cable interface - most Americans are used to doing that.
post #315 of 340
From The Verge:
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And the Xbox doesn’t have any way of directly controlling the cable box, so it has to simulate the IR commands of a remote control by cannon-blasting them out of the Kinect — in other words, you can change the channel and adjust the volume, but little else.

I can't believe they left out WMC support - integrating it with the Xbox One OS would have been exactly what they wanted to accomplish. I realize they are trying to make it easy to for people to use, but to leave out this feature is just plain dumb. I have 2 Xbox 360s which I use are extenders and they work flawless. I really hope they decide to add that functionality back. Otherwise, I might be plugging my 360 into the One.
post #316 of 340
So, I have an Xbox One incoming from Amazon, and was quite excited for its TV features, but I use OTA only. Is there any support for this use model, or is all the TV integration value cable/satellite only? If that is the case, is it safe to assume that I should only be considering the Xbox One on the merits of its games?

Thanks.
post #317 of 340
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For OTA you might need one of the Hauppauge! PVR's and then control it using the circa 1990 IR blasters that go with the XBOne as they pretty much went stupid with the LiveTV support. I don't even know if this solution will work..
post #318 of 340
Looks like Xbox one works with WMC. It even uses HDMI-CEC to control this guys settup.
http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6412
post #319 of 340
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^ A point later refuted in another post?
post #320 of 340
Walked into Microcenter today and walked out with a Xbox One. Haven't opened it. I don't think the resell value is there this generation so I'll probably end up hooking it up shortly.
post #321 of 340
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Originally Posted by todd_us View Post

Looks like Xbox one works with WMC. It even uses HDMI-CEC to control this guys settup.
http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6412

The kinetic and controller are IR blasters. It isn't hdmi-cec. The Xbox TV stuff is a joke, I'm assuming Microsoft will improve it over time.
post #322 of 340
The Xbox One TV integration is pretty much a fail with a HTPC. I know it doesn't pass through bitstreaming, but converts it to LPCM. I'm not sure if it handles HD audio in any form. I guess the assumption is that you only hook up a cable box which tops out with DD or DTS.
post #323 of 340
That's what I've read as well...while it's "surround sound", it's not actually Dolby Digital (for TV at least).
post #324 of 340
So by "xbox one" they really mean only usable for one reason, games.

What a joke.
post #325 of 340
Thought I should share this: go to settings. Then networks. Then find detailed network statistics. There u can find hot internet speed and gaming lag! I'm hitting 36. Anything below 40 is good.

I also like the calibration test xbox offers. Made me not choose rgb full. Also saves me a trip to the collection area and pick up the S&M test disc when I just want to see something really quickly!

Final thoughts: I recommend only using the passthrough if you plan on using the console only for yourself and don't mind a hit in PQ. Plan on holding a training session with the family. Even more so if they have an accent! Haha. I do have a tip for that if all they want to do is watch tv and bypass the "xbox on" then "xbox watch tv" command. It does take some getting use to. I use it all the time though and I'm sure Microsoft will soon have an option for one wake up command instead of 2. Solution: 1. Pin TV to home screen. 2 hover to the TV app then make sure it's in the first slot by clickingthe MENU button and selecting "move to front". 3. Then program your harmony remote to Power xbox - then to your correct INPUT - then add a delay of 18sec - then DirectionalLeft button - then DirectionalLeft button again - then OK.

I'm sure other peoples setup is more complicated than mine. I just have a soundbar with ARC. But if you can just add this step somewhere, your family can just turn your system on with one click and it goes directly to the Watch TV app and maximizes the tv window automatically. Again, make sure to teach them that remote has to be pointed at your system till the commands finish.

Hope this helps a bit!
post #326 of 340
Hey guys. another new xbox one owner here. im pretty happy with it but have a few setup questions as im sure many do. I reside in Canada and therefore don't have access yet to my cable providers info in the xbox one guide. so it makes the feature a little less usefull. my setup includes a xbox one, 360, ps3, Motorola hdPVR, pioneer vsx925 avr and a harmony touch remote. prior to xbox one I obviously had my remote set up with individual activities for each but the introduction of the xbox tv feature throws a wrench into the whole thing. I have the hdPVR routed through the xboxone and to the AVR to the TV. I have the Kinect set up to control my tv and volume on my receiver through voice. what I'm trying to find out is if the Kinect and xboxone are capable of changing the input on my AVR when I say "xbox on". because if it cant than I might as well never use the command unless the last thing I was doing was xboxone. if I was using ps3 or 360 then the input will be wrong and i'll still have to reach for the remote. I have read that the xboxone will work with the harmony remotes so I might just be better off setting it up differently and give up on the voice command.
post #327 of 340
I'd say you will hit some limitation on controlling your system with voice and move on to using a remote. Luckily Logitech have already added the Xbox One codes to the Harmony database.
post #328 of 340
How does the Play To functionality work on the Xbox One? I have my Intel NUC Win 8.1 XBMC connected to my NAS for music and movies. I would like to get content to the Xbox One without interacting with the PC. Even better if the PC could sleep.
post #329 of 340
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Originally Posted by tman247 View Post

Indeed, definitely some FUD. There's a very good chance WMC won't appear in Win9, but because MS made it available as an option in Win8, and Win8 has to be supported for a long time to come, then things like the guide data are likely to be around for a while yet, but I believe MS do say in the license that they reserve the right to stop these services at their own discretion, so who knows. If they think all WMC users are going to go out an buy an XBOne though, then they're seriously mistaken (and living in a fantasy land)
Just look at what they're doing with Games For Windows Live services (used by many PC games for activation, game updates, game saves, achievements, DLC, etc); they're in the process of killing all those servers. A few GFWL titles are being switched to Steam services but most are left out in the cold. Not a lot of happy PC gamers right now. It's very conceivable that Microshaft would/could pull the plug on their cable guide servers. The more that I think about it, the more that I think that they probably are going to do it in the not so distant future.
post #330 of 340
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Originally Posted by shortcut3d View Post

How does the Play To functionality work on the Xbox One? I have my Intel NUC Win 8.1 XBMC connected to my NAS for music and movies. I would like to get content to the Xbox One without interacting with the PC. Even better if the PC could sleep.
There is an app for Android and iOS called Skifta. Very easy to use and works well. Step one asks you what the source is (NAS, PC, etc..), step 2 asks you to choose a player (you choose XboxOS), step 3 asks you to browse your content and play it on xb1.
You have to have the xbox video and xbox music apps instolled in your xb1.
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